On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:36:36 +0200
Italo Vignoli wrote:
> On 26/04/14 17:12, Urmas wrote:
>
> > StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you
> > are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software.
>
> Insulting other mailing list subscribers is absolu
On April 27, 2014 4:18:55 AM PDT, Urmas > wrote:
>> What you are missing is that there are file layout differences between the
>> various editions of the same version of MSO.
>All those differences are hierarchic.
That does not negate the differences in the file format of the various
editions
Hi :)
+1
It would be great if this mailing list could be a "family friendly" place.
It is not always easy to come up with dignified responses that deals with
FUD in a witty and humorous way but doing so might make this list a more
friendly place to be. Please can we just try to "rise above it" in
"Toki":
What you are missing is that there are file layout differences between
the various editions of the same version of MSO.
All those differences are hierarchic. You can read all the files of earlier
version and have a way to ignore unsupported elements from the higher
version.
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On 26/04/14 17:12, Urmas wrote:
> StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you
> are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software.
Insulting other mailing list subscribers is absolutely unacceptable, not
only because it is against the Netiquette but a
On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 22:12:58 +0700
"Urmas" wrote:
> "James Knott":
>
> > IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported
> are the ancient StarOffice ones.
>
> StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are
> an idiot that should be kept out from developing office s
Hi James,
On 26 April 2014 21:36, James Knott wrote:
> Tom Davies wrote:
> > Also it is still easily possible to get older versions of software that
> can
> > read it and convert.
>
> So, what's the latest version of LibreOffice or OpenOffice that will
> read those formats? If needed, they cou
Tom Davies wrote:
> Also it is still easily possible to get older versions of software that can
> read it and convert.
So, what's the latest version of LibreOffice or OpenOffice that will
read those formats? If needed, they could be used to save those old
files in a newer format.
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Hi :)
I kinda gather that it is possible to develop new filters for the format,
perhaps as an Extension. There just doesn't seem to have been much
interest in it.
Also it is still easily possible to get older versions of software that can
read it and convert. Such older software not being vulner
Urmas wrote:
> you are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software.
Gee I didn't know I was developing office software. Thanks for
letting me know.
BTW, in case you haven't noticed, things have changed a bit in the past
16 years. Back then, there was still a lot of Win
On 4/26/2014 2:18 PM, toki wrote:
Those that don't undertstand why sofware that is 15+ years old is
still used, perhaps need to revisit why software shouldbe designed as
if it will be used for the next century.
No one said it wasn't used, and that is totally irrelevant to the
question being d
On April 26, 2014 10:42:53 AM PDT, Tanstaafl wrote:
>16 years? Yes, that is ANCIENT in computer/software terms, for both hardware
>AND software.
It might be old, but that does not mean "no longer used".
Ideally, the extension to import those file formats would have been released
prior to ripp
On 4/26/2014 11:12 AM, Urmas wrote:
StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you
are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software.
16 years? Yes, that is ANCIENT in computer/software terms, for both
hardware AND software.
If you think otherwise,
"James Knott":
IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported
are the ancient StarOffice ones.
StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are
an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software.
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On 4/22/2014 11:06 AM, Urmas wrote:
For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE.
What you are missing is that there are file layout differences between
the various editions of the same version of MSO.
There are also file layout differences between the different version
Hi.
A work colleague just tried Zorin (http://zorin-os.com/) as a
replacement on a laptop. Look and feel sooo similar to Win and uses
Ubuntu repositories. The download will run as a live disc to check out
all your hardware will work.
Worked well, a little fiddle with the wifi, but in all a goo
Alex Thurgood wrote:
> The dev working on LO didn't like the StarOffice binary filter code, so
> they got rid of it, simple as that - they certainly didn't care whether
> people who had started using the "original" product, the one that gave
> birth both to OOo and LO, over 10 years ago would still
Urmas wrote:
>> Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then.
>
> It was called StarOffice back then.
StarOffice became OpenOffice. LibreOffice split off from OpenOffice
when Oracle took over. IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported
are the ancient StarOffice on
Hi :)
There will be a lot of pranks and malware aimed at Xp users offering them
free upgrades and what-not. Apparently it has already started. Just
ignore them all.
Wrt "MS Security Essentials" best bet is to install AVG (apparently best of
the free anti-viruses (but according to who, right?)) o
Hi :)
You can use Nabble to share the document. Use any of the links in this
email but it's better practice to go to the official LIbreOffice website and
navigate through
"Get Help" - Nabble - Users - errr, and then find your thread, you might
need to register at the site
when you start to write
On 04/23/2014 07:57 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've
tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve.
I still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and
starts, I have finally succeeded in get
It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've
tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I
still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I
have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm
using Ubu
On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 10:24 +0200, Alex Thurgood wrote:
> The dev working on LO didn't like the StarOffice binary filter code
Hated it with a passion is probably a better description than "didn't
like" - that code screwed us over and held us back very significantly.
It was a cut/paste of
Le 22/04/2014 20:06, Urmas a écrit :
> Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001.
>
Urmas, you are right.
Yes, I too, remember a guarantee made by the LibreOffice project on its
inception to "future-proof" one's data against arbitrary changes in file
format or vendor suppo
At 22:32 22/04/2014 -0700, Herman Konly wrote:
Documents converted and the following log file is generated:
[...]
Normal.dot Normal.ott
Document macro has to be revised.
That's probably the best you can do without editing your template
further yourself - in particular its contained macro(s).
Good day,
Thank you for your reply. I have copied the Microsoft Word Normal.dot file
into my Home Folder/Documents (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS). Open LibreOffice Writer
3.5.7.2 and followed the follwoing steps:
File > Wizards > Document Converter > Microsoft Office > Word Documents > Next
> Word Templ
Hi :)
It should be possible to just double-click on the Normal.doc to open it.
However, it is probably full of junk by now = such as tons of extraneous
coding and odd references to stuff that is long gone and maybe your address
and other people's names and systems that the template has been used o
Hi :)
Nice answer! :))) I think top-marks to James. My answer was too ponderous
and boring.
Of course i think Star Office and maybe even OpenOffice were around back
then so in a way LibreOffice was, but just not under the same name. (kinda
the opposite of MS formats as it happens!)
Regards from
Hey,
Easy tigers! Remember this is meant to be a family-friendly environment!
Not that i've ever met a friendly family and kids these days seem to know
more about swearing than the adults but lets pretend they don't know 'em
and just avoid teaching them any new ones!
Regards from
Tom ;)
On 22
itial
> response to the initial questioner;
> the second is part of the response by that Urmas.
>
>
>
> From: pete nikolic
> Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE
> USED WITH LIBRE OFFI
; response to the initial questioner;
>> the second is part of the response by that Urmas.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: pete nikolic
>> Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE
Hi :)
Not quite. It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but
OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3
different "transitional" versions and all are apparently quite different
from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format.
The older f
"James Knott":
Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then.
It was called StarOffice back then.
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Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE
USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:06:14 +0700
"Urmas" wrote:
"anne-ology"
MSFT has been/is making their system(
initial
response to the initial questioner;
the second is part of the response by that Urmas.
From: pete nikolic
Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE
USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
On
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:03:50 -0400
James Knott wrote:
> Urmas wrote:
> > Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001.
>
> Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then.
>
>
+1
Pete .
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 01:06:14 +0700
"Urmas" wrote:
> "anne-ology"
>MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in
> order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-(
>
> For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE.
> Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open
Urmas wrote:
> Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001.
Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then.
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On 22/04/2014 20:06, Urmas wrote:
> For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE.
> Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001.
Microsoft has slightly changed the file format for each new release,
although it has never changed the extension. Are you paid
versions cannot open it.
From: Urmas
Date: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:06 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED
WITH LIBRE OFFICE
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
"anne-ology" MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible
with others i
"anne-ology"
MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in
order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-(
For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE.
Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001.
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MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in
order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-(
Therefore switching away from MSFT is a great way to - possibly -
show them the errors of their ways ;-)
Now, if you could explain just what you're attempting to do,
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