Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
Hi :) I really don't mind if people disagree with me or even if it's not that strong, just a possible uncertainty about something i said. The important thing imo is to get enough good answers out there that the op can pick and choose or get inspired by one or more in order to solve the problem and move on. The important bit is getting questions solved. Blind obediance is what got us into this mess with MS, Adobe, Oracle and the rest in the first place. It's passionately disagreeing with each other that helps us develop good choices. Diversity breeds serendipity! If we were all the same it would be really boring! :) Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 3:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia I did not want to express it that explicitly what you wrote is perfectly right.I am often wondering why some members of this forum complain so much about LO instead of exchanging information in non-inflicting-feelings-of-others words, which help other users to solve their problems and/or help to move LO's development forward.On 15.10.2012 07:48, anne-ology wrote: MSFT does not list their bugs; they deny them;-(On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:I have my still my doubts on graphics, but all the other remarks of Tom I fully agree.By the way is there a list of MSO bugs we can have a look at? I doubt!On 14.10.2012 10:39, anne-ology wrote:same here.On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Tom daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:Hi :)I prefer LO on Windows even though i have a choice of MSO 2007 and 2010 onthe same machine.All 3 installed but LO handles graphics better.Plus itdoesn't keep changing styles, languages, indentations, size ofbullet-points and it keeps track of numbers better in numbered lists.Alsobetter compatibility.Each version of MSO stuffs up documents created bythe other.If i write in LO then save as doc then both versions of MSOdisplay the file the same way.I find the menus easier although somethings are just as easy on both.Regards fromTom :)From: Andreas sgerville...@t-online.deto:users@global.libreoffice.orgSent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 23:48Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld AustraliaAm 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is amust have app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and Europewould have the same statement.Be nice to have LO listed in the must have category in the variousWindows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and freeadvertisements towards Windows users, as we can get.It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the bigsoftware shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may bevery expensive to rent for such an event.Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any).Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office?Idealism? Masochism? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 12-10-11 06:48 PM, Andreas Säger a écrit : Am 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: [...] It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be very expensive to rent for such an event. Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? Mostly, common sense. F. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlB8EqwACgkQfUcTXFrypNWw2gCfT64cYQ08K969kDfpt8NhvjFT gFkAoIe6tpndxN8sf7XrvVcf35bwrh6B =uFYb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
Thanks :-) and I agree with the way you think :-) On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: I did not want to express it that explicitly what you wrote is perfectly right. I am often wondering why some members of this forum complain so much about LO instead of exchanging information in non-inflicting-feelings-of-others words, which help other users to solve their problems and/or help to move LO's development forward. On 15.10.2012 07:48, anne-ology wrote: MSFT does not list their bugs; they deny them ;-( On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com wrote: I have my still my doubts on graphics, but all the other remarks of Tom I fully agree. By the way is there a list of MSO bugs we can have a look at? I doubt! On 14.10.2012 10:39, anne-ology wrote: same here. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I prefer LO on Windows even though i have a choice of MSO 2007 and 2010 on the same machine. All 3 installed but LO handles graphics better. Plus it doesn't keep changing styles, languages, indentations, size of bullet-points and it keeps track of numbers better in numbered lists. Also better compatibility. Each version of MSO stuffs up documents created by the other. If i write in LO then save as doc then both versions of MSO display the file the same way. I find the menus easier although some things are just as easy on both. Regards from Tom :) From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 23:48 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia Am 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is a must have app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and Europe would have the same statement. Be nice to have LO listed in the must have category in the various Windows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and free advertisements towards Windows users, as we can get. It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be very expensive to rent for such an event. Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
Am 14.10.2012 03:33, anne-ology wrote: but MSFT products are NOT cheap - their limited editions are included on new PCs due to some agreement BGates made with the manufacturers; once the trial version runs its course and/or the user desires more than the trial version offers they must purchase the product - and the product is only good for a limited number of downloads - therefore if you must replace your computer more than once, you must re-purchase the product. Just ask your personal Windows geek how to get a free copy of any MSOffice product. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/microsoft-quietly-shuts-down-office-genuine-advantage-program/2798 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
Hi :) 'Surprisingly' for something done by MS it doesn't quite work like that. It only kinda works for some MS products, not all of them and even then you still get hassled and can't get updates. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 14/10/12, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote: From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 14 October, 2012, 9:22 Am 14.10.2012 03:33, anne-ology wrote: but MSFT products are NOT cheap - their limited editions are included on new PCs due to some agreement BGates made with the manufacturers; once the trial version runs its course and/or the user desires more than the trial version offers they must purchase the product - and the product is only good for a limited number of downloads - therefore if you must replace your computer more than once, you must re-purchase the product. Just ask your personal Windows geek how to get a free copy of any MSOffice product. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/microsoft-quietly-shuts-down-office-genuine-advantage-program/2798 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
MSFT does not list their bugs; they deny them ;-( On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: I have my still my doubts on graphics, but all the other remarks of Tom I fully agree. By the way is there a list of MSO bugs we can have a look at? I doubt! On 14.10.2012 10:39, anne-ology wrote: same here. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I prefer LO on Windows even though i have a choice of MSO 2007 and 2010 on the same machine. All 3 installed but LO handles graphics better. Plus it doesn't keep changing styles, languages, indentations, size of bullet-points and it keeps track of numbers better in numbered lists. Also better compatibility. Each version of MSO stuffs up documents created by the other. If i write in LO then save as doc then both versions of MSO display the file the same way. I find the menus easier although some things are just as easy on both. Regards from Tom :) From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 23:48 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia Am 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is a must have app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and Europe would have the same statement. Be nice to have LO listed in the must have category in the various Windows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and free advertisements towards Windows users, as we can get. It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be very expensive to rent for such an event. Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
I did not want to express it that explicitly what you wrote is perfectly right.I am often wondering why some members of this forum complain so much about LO instead of exchanging information in non-inflicting-feelings-of-others words, which help other users to solve their problems and/or help to move LO's development forward.On 15.10.2012 07:48, anne-ology wrote: MSFT does not list their bugs; they deny them;-(On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:I have my still my doubts on graphics, but all the other remarks of Tom I fully agree.By the way is there a list of MSO bugs we can have a look at? I doubt!On 14.10.2012 10:39, anne-ology wrote:same here.On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Tom daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:Hi :)I prefer LO on Windows even though i have a choice of MSO 2007 and 2010 onthe same machine.All 3 installed but LO handles graphics better.Plus itdoesn't keep changing styles, languages, indentations, size ofbullet-points and it keeps track of numbers better in numbered lists.Alsobetter compatibility.Each version of MSO stuffs up documents created bythe other.If i write in LO then save as doc then both versions of MSOdisplay the file the same way.I find the menus easier although somethings are just as easy on both.Regards fromTom :)From: Andreas sgerville...@t-online.deto:users@global.libreoffice.orgSent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 23:48Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld AustraliaAm 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is amust have app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and Europewould have the same statement.Be nice to have LO listed in the must have category in the variousWindows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and freeadvertisements towards Windows users, as we can get.It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the bigsoftware shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may bevery expensive to rent for such an event.Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any).Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office?Idealism? Masochism? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
but MSFT products are NOT cheap - their limited editions are included on new PCs due to some agreement BGates made with the manufacturers; once the trial version runs its course and/or the user desires more than the trial version offers they must purchase the product - and the product is only good for a limited number of downloads - therefore if you must replace your computer more than once, you must re-purchase the product. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote: Am 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is a must have app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and Europe would have the same statement. Be nice to have LO listed in the must have category in the various Windows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and free advertisements towards Windows users, as we can get. It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be very expensive to rent for such an event. Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
same here. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I prefer LO on Windows even though i have a choice of MSO 2007 and 2010 on the same machine. All 3 installed but LO handles graphics better. Plus it doesn't keep changing styles, languages, indentations, size of bullet-points and it keeps track of numbers better in numbered lists. Also better compatibility. Each version of MSO stuffs up documents created by the other. If i write in LO then save as doc then both versions of MSO display the file the same way. I find the menus easier although some things are just as easy on both. Regards from Tom :) From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 23:48 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia Am 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is a must have app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and Europe would have the same statement. Be nice to have LO listed in the must have category in the various Windows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and free advertisements towards Windows users, as we can get. It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be very expensive to rent for such an event. Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
I have my still my doubts on graphics, but all the other remarks of Tom I fully agree. By the way is there a list of MSO bugs we can have a look at? I doubt! On 14.10.2012 10:39, anne-ology wrote: same here. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I prefer LO on Windows even though i have a choice of MSO 2007 and 2010 on the same machine. All 3 installed but LO handles graphics better. Plus it doesn't keep changing styles, languages, indentations, size of bullet-points and it keeps track of numbers better in numbered lists. Also better compatibility. Each version of MSO stuffs up documents created by the other. If i write in LO then save as doc then both versions of MSO display the file the same way. I find the menus easier although some things are just as easy on both. Regards from Tom :) From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 23:48 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia Am 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is a must have app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and Europe would have the same statement. Be nice to have LO listed in the must have category in the various Windows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and free advertisements towards Windows users, as we can get. It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be very expensive to rent for such an event. Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
On 11/10/12 23:48, Andreas Säger wrote: Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? They can also run WordPerfect, Lotus Smartsuite, Abiword and a number of other applications. Why should you be so anti Windows users running LO? The cheapest version of MS Office in the UK is Home and Student and costs about £75. The free version (Office Starter) is crippled adware (and only contains Word and Excel anyway), and that only comes with a machine that has a trial version of Office 2010 installed. You can't download it from anywhere. Surely it's better to get them running LO rather than a crippled version of proprietary software? When I post in the MS Answers forums in reply to certain questions I always suggest that if they can't afford to upgrade to the latest Office version, that they have a look at LO. One or two MVPs do this as well. Once Windows users begin to realise that they don't NEED MS Office products, then it's only a short step to not needing Windows at all. :-) Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
Hi :) WOW!!! I wish i had thought of it. It's brilliant! :) Re: costs, my 'work' place (does it count as work if you enjoy it?) just bought several MSO 2010 licenses for about £15 each. The newer MS office comes out soon so there are all sorts of special offers, such as for charities, students, and other vulnerable people. We have a chap that is excellent at sniffing out such deals and being able to buy in bulk helps. Regards from Tom :) From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 12:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia On 11/10/12 23:48, Andreas Säger wrote: Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? They can also run WordPerfect, Lotus Smartsuite, Abiword and a number of other applications. Why should you be so anti Windows users running LO? The cheapest version of MS Office in the UK is Home and Student and costs about £75. The free version (Office Starter) is crippled adware (and only contains Word and Excel anyway), and that only comes with a machine that has a trial version of Office 2010 installed. You can't download it from anywhere. Surely it's better to get them running LO rather than a crippled version of proprietary software? When I post in the MS Answers forums in reply to certain questions I always suggest that if they can't afford to upgrade to the latest Office version, that they have a look at LO. One or two MVPs do this as well. Once Windows users begin to realise that they don't NEED MS Office products, then it's only a short step to not needing Windows at all. :-) Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
I have not found any deals for me or my associates that would bring buying MSO for under $100. It looks like your people had bought MSO-2010 and just bought the right to add in on a few more systems. With the new pricing structure that MS is doing, i.e. renting that was in a different thread, it will become expensive to buy MSO soon. When I was using Windows for all my computer needs, I sniffed out as many free packages as I could. I was not able to afford to buy the software I needed and had to find legally free sources. I still maintain a Windows software list page for such free packages, but I do not look for those packages actively any more. MS is talking about a family plan license for renting and installing MSO on all of your household system for one low-price-per-year, but I hate the idea of renting my software. [this idea was beaten to death in a different thread so do not start it again here]. On 10/12/2012 08:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) WOW!!! I wish i had thought of it. It's brilliant! :) Re: costs, my 'work' place (does it count as work if you enjoy it?) just bought several MSO 2010 licenses for about £15 each. The newer MS office comes out soon so there are all sorts of special offers, such as for charities, students, and other vulnerable people. We have a chap that is excellent at sniffing out such deals and being able to buy in bulk helps. Regards from Tom :) From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 12:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia On 11/10/12 23:48, Andreas Säger wrote: Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? They can also run WordPerfect, Lotus Smartsuite, Abiword and a number of other applications. Why should you be so anti Windows users running LO? The cheapest version of MS Office in the UK is Home and Student and costs about £75. The free version (Office Starter) is crippled adware (and only contains Word and Excel anyway), and that only comes with a machine that has a trial version of Office 2010 installed. You can't download it from anywhere. Surely it's better to get them running LO rather than a crippled version of proprietary software? When I post in the MS Answers forums in reply to certain questions I always suggest that if they can't afford to upgrade to the latest Office version, that they have a look at LO. One or two MVPs do this as well. Once Windows users begin to realise that they don't NEED MS Office products, then it's only a short step to not needing Windows at all. :-) Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
Hi :) For me the best part of Gordon's post was about the MVPs. The costs are the least important bit for me. If the finance department want to spend loot on something i don't want and the Board agrees then i'm in no position to stop them however annoying i think it is. I just keep using LO because it's better [shrugs]. I'm just lucky to be able to install it myself on my system. On my own system i use LO too and the fact that it's free is just a bonus. It's not the main reason for my using it. That MVPs have occasionally recommended LO is really cool! Also it was interesting to hear that there are good Windows forums. Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 14:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia I have not found any deals for me or my associates that would bring buying MSO for under $100. It looks like your people had bought MSO-2010 and just bought the right to add in on a few more systems. With the new pricing structure that MS is doing, i.e. renting that was in a different thread, it will become expensive to buy MSO soon. When I was using Windows for all my computer needs, I sniffed out as many free packages as I could. I was not able to afford to buy the software I needed and had to find legally free sources. I still maintain a Windows software list page for such free packages, but I do not look for those packages actively any more. MS is talking about a family plan license for renting and installing MSO on all of your household system for one low-price-per-year, but I hate the idea of renting my software. [this idea was beaten to death in a different thread so do not start it again here]. On 10/12/2012 08:58 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) WOW!!! I wish i had thought of it. It's brilliant! :) Re: costs, my 'work' place (does it count as work if you enjoy it?) just bought several MSO 2010 licenses for about £15 each. The newer MS office comes out soon so there are all sorts of special offers, such as for charities, students, and other vulnerable people. We have a chap that is excellent at sniffing out such deals and being able to buy in bulk helps. Regards from Tom :) From: Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 12:39 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia On 11/10/12 23:48, Andreas Säger wrote: Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? They can also run WordPerfect, Lotus Smartsuite, Abiword and a number of other applications. Why should you be so anti Windows users running LO? The cheapest version of MS Office in the UK is Home and Student and costs about £75. The free version (Office Starter) is crippled adware (and only contains Word and Excel anyway), and that only comes with a machine that has a trial version of Office 2010 installed. You can't download it from anywhere. Surely it's better to get them running LO rather than a crippled version of proprietary software? When I post in the MS Answers forums in reply to certain questions I always suggest that if they can't afford to upgrade to the latest Office version, that they have a look at LO. One or two MVPs do this as well. Once Windows users begin to realise that they don't NEED MS Office products, then it's only a short step to not needing Windows at all. :-) Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
Am 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is a must have app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and Europe would have the same statement. Be nice to have LO listed in the must have category in the various Windows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and free advertisements towards Windows users, as we can get. It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be very expensive to rent for such an event. Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia
Hi :) I prefer LO on Windows even though i have a choice of MSO 2007 and 2010 on the same machine. All 3 installed but LO handles graphics better. Plus it doesn't keep changing styles, languages, indentations, size of bullet-points and it keeps track of numbers better in numbered lists. Also better compatibility. Each version of MSO stuffs up documents created by the other. If i write in LO then save as doc then both versions of MSO display the file the same way. I find the menus easier although some things are just as easy on both. Regards from Tom :) From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 23:48 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice in MacWorld Australia Am 11.10.2012 20:46, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: It is nice to see that MacWorld Australia states that LibreOffice is a must have app/package. I wonder if the MacWorld for the USA and Europe would have the same statement. Be nice to have LO listed in the must have category in the various Windows magazines. We could use more Windows users, and free advertisements towards Windows users, as we can get. It would be nice to have a booth in a Windows version of the big software shows that happen for Linux and Mac. But those booths may be very expensive to rent for such an event. Windows users can run MS Office easily and for little money (if any). Why should they use LibreOffice if all they want is cheap MS Office? Idealism? Masochism? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
