osoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS,
Word for Windows Source Code,
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Not sure if my recollections are correct, but I don't believe either DOS
(before 2.x) or the DOS version of Word were written by Microsoft. I seem to
recall that both were purchased and re
HOW about taking this discussion to the "discuss list". That will free
up the "user list" for the LO stuff.
I just posted this thread to let people know, but I just looked and it
seems to be the dominate thread on that list instead of LO questions.
I am as guilty as others, but it is eithe
On 04/06/2014 10:14 AM, James Knott wrote:
Jim Seymour wrote:
No, they didn't. Early Apple PCs ran the MOS Technologies (later:
Mostek) 6502. CP/M never ran on anything but the Intel 8080 and
Zilog Z80. (And only on the latter because it was a superset of the
former.) Eventually, Kildall reali
On 04/07/2014 07:50 AM, CVAlkan wrote:
Your point is valid, but only in today's context.
It's hard to remember that, back then, the idea of actually "storing" your
document on one of those computer contraptions was somewhat left of absurd.
If the document was important, or even if it needed to
Your point is valid, but only in today's context.
It's hard to remember that, back then, the idea of actually "storing" your
document on one of those computer contraptions was somewhat left of absurd.
If the document was important, or even if it needed to be retained for legal
reasons, it would h
Hi :)
In general it's safe to assume that whatever Urmas writes is the exact
opposite of reality. I think most people can spot the absurdities or
inaccuracies.
For example
1. "Gary Kildall, creator of CP/M" attempting to assert copyright is
written as though the whole notion of copyright doesn't
On 04/06/2014 05:04 PM, Urmas wrote:
"CVAlkan":
When WordPerfect 5.x arrived, there was even the ability to display a
graphic preview (almost WYSIWYG) display of the printed output on a
normal
character screen - and this was available not only for DOS versions,
but on
a wide variety of platfo
On 06/04/14 23:04, Urmas wrote:
> You are trying to defend a text processor which stores text in a
> proprietary encoding in the obscured format. Comparing to this, MS Word
> which used easy and open file format was a clear winner.
Microsoft has never used an open file format for ANY software. No
Urmas wrote:
> Comparing to this, MS Word which used easy and open file format was a
> clear winner.
Gee... I coulda sworn April 1st was last week.
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"CVAlkan":
When WordPerfect 5.x arrived, there was even the ability to display a
graphic preview (almost WYSIWYG) display of the printed output on a normal
character screen - and this was available not only for DOS versions, but on
a wide variety of platforms such as the then popular DEC and DG t
"James Knott":
Gary Kildall, creator of CP/M later took MS to court and
proved that MS-DOS contained directly copied CP/M code.
Gary Kildall was a kind of man who believed that you can write something
once and get dividends from it indefinitely.
That didn't work well.
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Jim Seymour wrote:
> Nor was CP/M-86 vapourware. It was short-lived, because Kildall was
> way too late to the game, but it did exist. IIRC, the DEC Rainbow
> dual-booted CP/M-86 and DOS?
CP/M-86 was also one of the 3 operating systems that were initially
available with the IBM PC. The third wa
Jim Seymour wrote:
> No, they didn't. Early Apple PCs ran the MOS Technologies (later:
> Mostek) 6502. CP/M never ran on anything but the Intel 8080 and
> Zilog Z80. (And only on the latter because it was a superset of the
> former.) Eventually, Kildall realized the 8-bit processors' days were
>
Jean-Louis Oneto wrote:
> When Microsoft bought DRI
Microsoft didn't buy DRI. They bought Q-DOS from Seattle Computer
Products. Gary Kildall, creator of CP/M later took MS to court and
proved that MS-DOS contained directly copied CP/M code.
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Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> Maybe I got confused. I thought my "10 inch" was from a DEC system.
> It was sure big. Maybe they used a different type. I donated it to a
> college teaching staff for demoing old tech, along with my samples of
> a punched card program, and some paper tape.
No,
Il 04/04/2014 23:56, CVAlkan ha scritto:
> Sorry for the trip down memory lane, but I agree that this is undoubtedly
> some sort of publicity stunt. Call me cynical, but I can't help wondering
> what's up their sleeve with this.
No need to apologise. FWIW, I really enjoyed reading your post. :)
On Sat, 5 Apr 2014 14:20:24 -0700 (PDT)
CVAlkan wrote:
> Thanks for all the comments -
>
> By the way, are you the same Jim Seymour who used to have a column
> in PC-Mag (I think that was it - along with Dvorak and others)?
Somebody *just* asked me that question, here, a couple weeks ago.
No.
I have to correct myself...
On Sat, 5 Apr 2014 17:14:12 -0400
Jim Seymour wrote:
[snip]
> No, they didn't. Early Apple PCs ran the MOS Technologies (later:
> Mostek) 6502. CP/M never ran on anything but the Intel 8080 and
> Zilog Z80. (And only on the latter because it was a superset of the
>
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 23:04:42 +0200
Jean-Louis Oneto wrote:
> The
> DRI CP/M80 then CP/M86 were nothing but vaporware,
I think you must have CP/M and CP/M-86 conflated with something
else. CP/M-80 was anything *but* "vapourware." In the mid-70's to
early 80's, 8080- and Z-80 systems ran on not
Thanks for all the comments -
By the way, are you the same Jim Seymour who used to have a column in PC-Mag
(I think that was it - along with Dvorak and others)?
Frank
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On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 16:43:46 -0400
Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
[snip]
> I hated CP/M
[snip]
It was nearly indistinguishable from DOS, or DOS was nearly
indistinguishable from it, depending upon ones perspective.
> The other rooms had old Apple [before Macs] and they had
> CP/M OS options, .
ibreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With
MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:57:48 -0400
James Knott wrote:
> Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> > On 04/04/2014 05:56 PM, CVAlkan wrote:
> >> Not sure if my recollections are correct, but
On 04/05/2014 03:05 PM, Jim Seymour wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:57:48 -0400
James Knott wrote:
Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
On 04/04/2014 05:56 PM, CVAlkan wrote:
Not sure if my recollections are correct, but I don't believe
either DOS (before 2.x) or the DOS version of Word were written
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 13:57:48 -0400
James Knott wrote:
> Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> > On 04/04/2014 05:56 PM, CVAlkan wrote:
> >> Not sure if my recollections are correct, but I don't believe
> >> either DOS (before 2.x) or the DOS version of Word were written
> >> by Microsoft. I seem to
>
Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> On 04/04/2014 05:56 PM, CVAlkan wrote:
>> Not sure if my recollections are correct, but I don't believe either DOS
>> (before 2.x) or the DOS version of Word were written by Microsoft. I
>> seem to
>> recall that both were purchased and re-branded.
DOS was bought f
On 04/04/2014 05:56 PM, CVAlkan wrote:
Not sure if my recollections are correct, but I don't believe either DOS
(before 2.x) or the DOS version of Word were written by Microsoft. I seem to
recall that both were purchased and re-branded.
Word for MS-DOS was typical of the approach Microsoft would
Not sure if my recollections are correct, but I don't believe either DOS
(before 2.x) or the DOS version of Word were written by Microsoft. I seem to
recall that both were purchased and re-branded.
Word for MS-DOS was typical of the approach Microsoft would perfect over
many subsequent years. Its
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