[libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
On 1/22/12 8:10 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: On 01/22/2012 08:52 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi, Am 22.01.2012 14:44, schrieb Jonathon Waterman: Though I hate to recommend a competitor's services, and may take a little flack for doing so. For those who do have a individual question and want an answer and nothing more, perhaps they should consider asking their question at http://user.services.openoffice.org/ Nothing wrong about your recommendation. In fact, it´s the recommendation from the LibreOffice website: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ which also links to http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ;-) Stefan If I remember correctly, we are working on finding the best forum package for our needs. The OOo link was, most likely, placed there when LO was just starting out almost a year ago. Now we have so many people helping out with the email lists, we should drop that link and add out forum, if it is running now. Nabble, so I have been told, may work enough like a regular forum, for now. It seems people are using that sometimes to ask questions and read the answers. We do need a browser-based help center/forum/list for those who do not want to deal with an email list service. Those with limited bandwidth, or limited email inbox size would not want to receive all these emails when they want to deal with posts only for their question/answer. I don't know if LO has some way of determining accurately how many users use which interface, but if the do, I wouldn't trust those numbers to be accurate as to which interface is preferred. The accuracy of those numbers would be OT, so I'll say no more. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 9.0.1 Thunderbird 9.0.1 LibreOffice 3.4.4 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
On 2012-01-20 7:30 PM, Harold Fuchs hwfa.gmanen...@gmail.com wrote: Unsubscribing by clicking a link in an e-mail assumes the person receives HTML mail. Some force text only in which case the link won't work. It does for me, and my Thunderbird is set to plain text by default. In fact the email you sen was received as plain text and the links at the bottom were clickable. I think that is a function of the MUA, so if it doesn't work for you, you could always switch to a MUA that does. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
On 1/20/12 7:10 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Prior to the update to the netiquette wiki page, there was a link to a web page that told people how to make posts to newsgroups. Found it :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 9.0.1 Thunderbird 9.0.1 LibreOffice 3.4.4 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 09:43:29AM -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 1/20/12 7:10 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Prior to the update to the netiquette wiki page, there was a link to a web page that told people how to make posts to newsgroups. Found it :-) Congratulations. Now, how about posting it? -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
On 1/21/12 12:51 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 09:43:29AM -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 1/20/12 7:10 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Prior to the update to the netiquette wiki page, there was a link to a web page that told people how to make posts to newsgroups. Found it :-) Congratulations. Now, how about posting it? LOL!! I was so excited about finding it, I never thought about posting it. http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html#ss2.3 -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 9.0.1 Thunderbird 9.0.1 LibreOffice 3.4.4 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
** Reply to message from Harold Fuchs hwfa.gmanen...@gmail.com on Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:30:56 - Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote in message news:1327076124.1667.6.camel@dan-ubuntu... On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:23 -0500, drew wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 14:32 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: drew wrote (20-01-12 14:25) Well, maybe some of it is that we are more then happy to make it dead simple (one click on a web page) to get them subscribed... Ah, do we offer so much service :-) Then indeed we should do the same for un-subscribing. (Or make subscribing 'difficult') *chuckling*... well I suspect that the sad truth is that even if it is one click on a URL in the footer of each and every email, to start the unsubscribe process, there will still be someone that just can't quite manage. - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org After just reading the instructions on how to unsubscribe from this list, it seems that it is made far too complex. Having To unsubscribe click: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org in the footer of emails. (Surprise to some, but some html emails will not have this header and I don't know why.) Still we would still have to remind some to reply to the confirmation email they were sent by the mailing list. Unsubscribing by clicking a link in an e-mail assumes the person receives HTML mail. Some force text only in which case the link won't work. Others *send* text only so perhaps the Unsubscribe instruction doesn't get included (???) but, even if it does, it won't be clickable. There have even been people who make great contributions to this list who complain about HTML e-mail. What you say may be true for some email clients, but definitely not for all. I'm one of those who have no use for HTML so HTML codes are stripped out as it comes in, but the content, including links, is preserved. I just have to double click the link to make it work. Cliff -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
drewjensen wrote Well, maybe some of it is that we are more then happy to make it dead simple (one click on a web page) to get them subscribed... they don't really have to read or understand much of anything. But if you want to leave..different story - then we say- on your own buddy, or What you can't read or Man are you stupid. Maybe make that link in the footer of each email a real unsubscribe URl, as we do to help get them subscribed, and not just a link to a help page. +1 If there are complains from people on getting out (and they obviously managed to get in), it seems to me that the two processes aren't equally simple. Again, why isn't there a simple link to unsubscribe in each messages footer instead of a link to Instructions on how to unsubscribe? It takes only two clicks to subscribe and reading a whole page of instructions to unsubscribe. Try to find this link in the instructions page: users+unsubscribe(AT)global.libreoffice.org Compare that to clicking on link at http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/ Just my 2 cents -- Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Unsubscribing-from-this-list-tp3675267p3675537.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
On 01/20/2012 06:12 AM, Pedro wrote: drewjensen wrote Well, maybe some of it is that we are more then happy to make it dead simple (one click on a web page) to get them subscribed... they don't really have to read or understand much of anything. But if you want to leave..different story - then we say- on your own buddy, or What you can't read or Man are you stupid. Maybe make that link in the footer of each email a real unsubscribe URl, as we do to help get them subscribed, and not just a link to a help page. +1 If there are complains from people on getting out (and they obviously managed to get in), it seems to me that the two processes aren't equally simple. Again, why isn't there a simple link to unsubscribe in each messages footer instead of a link to Instructions on how to unsubscribe? It takes only two clicks to subscribe and reading a whole page of instructions to unsubscribe. Try to find this link in the instructions page: users+unsubscribe(AT)global.libreoffice.org ... http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ quote Mailing lists: The user support mailing list address is our main channel for LibreOffice users needing help with a problem: users@global.libreoffice.org. You need to subscribe to the list first before you can post a question. To do that, just send an empty message (no subject line, no message body) to users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org. Instructions will be mailed back to you immediately (check for new mail, and check your spam/bulk mail folder just in case). For information about our other mailing lists, please visit the global mailing list index. For detailed instructions about unsubscribing from a mailing list, please click here. /quote Clicking 'please click here' links to: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ On the http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ page: quote Information on how to unsubscribe from a list is sent to you in the confirmation e-mail, and is also added to the footer of every message posted. (If you need detailed instructions about unsubscribing from a mailing list, please click here.) /quote Clicking 'please click here' links to: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ So I'm not sure what else can be done. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
NoOp wrote So I'm not sure what else can be done. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@.libreoffice Simple! Just replace the link to the *instructions* e-mail for a link to the actual *unsubscribe* e-mail. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Unsubscribing-from-this-list-tp3675267p3676478.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 11:51 -0800, NoOp wrote: On 01/20/2012 11:48 AM, NoOp wrote: On 01/20/2012 06:12 AM, Pedro wrote: drewjensen wrote Well, maybe some of it is that we are more then happy to make it dead simple (one click on a web page) to get them subscribed... they don't really have to read or understand much of anything. But if you want to leave..different story - then we say- on your own buddy, or What you can't read or Man are you stupid. Maybe make that link in the footer of each email a real unsubscribe URl, as we do to help get them subscribed, and not just a link to a help page. +1 If there are complains from people on getting out (and they obviously managed to get in), it seems to me that the two processes aren't equally simple. Again, why isn't there a simple link to unsubscribe in each messages footer instead of a link to Instructions on how to unsubscribe? It takes only two clicks to subscribe and reading a whole page of instructions to unsubscribe. Try to find this link in the instructions page: users+unsubscribe(AT)global.libreoffice.org http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ quote Mailing lists: The user support mailing list address is our main channel for LibreOffice users needing help with a problem: users@global.libreoffice.org. You need to subscribe to the list first before you can post a question. To do that, just send an empty message (no subject line, no message body) to users+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org. Instructions will be mailed back to you immediately (check for new mail, and check your spam/bulk mail folder just in case). For information about our other mailing lists, please visit the global mailing list index. For detailed instructions about unsubscribing from a mailing list, please click here. /quote Clicking 'please click here' links to: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ On the http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ page: quote Information on how to unsubscribe from a list is sent to you in the confirmation e-mail, and is also added to the footer of every message posted. (If you need detailed instructions about unsubscribing from a mailing list, please click here.) /quote Clicking 'please click here' links to: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Sorry, forgot to add that this is on the instruction page: quote Send the unsubscription request If you want to unsubscribe from the users@global.libreoffice.org mailing list (our user support list), for example, send an e-mail message to users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org (if you were subscribed in standard mode) or to users+unsubscribe-dig...@global.libreoffice.org (if you were subscribed in digest mode). /quote Right - and Florian addressed this earlier today. At one point the email footer did include the unsubscribe URl for standard subscriptions - but since it didn't unsubcribe those with digest subscriptions and some complained it was dropped. However - there is a planned upgrade to the list management software and with that there will no longer be separate commands for normal / digest / no-mail options - the one unsubscribe will suffice, so at that point it, IMO, makes sense to put the actual command URl back into the mail footer. //drew -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
I have several email address. One I use for e-newsletters, another for email lists like this one, while others for other specific things, etc. So I do not need to do forwarding. Are they forwarding the emails since they do not want their regular email address available through list services like this one? The solution is to go to other services, such as Gmail, Yahoo Mail, etc., etc.. It is always good to have a few throw away email accounts and use one for email lists. That is just my opinion. On 01/20/2012 04:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Sadly that was tried but many people use 1 email address for subscribing and then forwards mail from that to another one and read it there so the unsubscribe email address wouldn't act on the right address. Regards from Tom :) --- On Fri, 20/1/12, Pedropedl...@gmail.com wrote: snip / Simple! Just replace the link to the *instructions* e-mail for a link to the actual *unsubscribe* e-mail. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Unsubscribing-from-this-list-tp3675267p3676478.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Unsubscribing from this list
Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote in message news:1327076124.1667.6.camel@dan-ubuntu... On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 09:23 -0500, drew wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 14:32 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: drew wrote (20-01-12 14:25) Well, maybe some of it is that we are more then happy to make it dead simple (one click on a web page) to get them subscribed... Ah, do we offer so much service :-) Then indeed we should do the same for un-subscribing. (Or make subscribing 'difficult') *chuckling*... well I suspect that the sad truth is that even if it is one click on a URL in the footer of each and every email, to start the unsubscribe process, there will still be someone that just can't quite manage. - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org After just reading the instructions on how to unsubscribe from this list, it seems that it is made far too complex. Having To unsubscribe click: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org in the footer of emails. (Surprise to some, but some html emails will not have this header and I don't know why.) Still we would still have to remind some to reply to the confirmation email they were sent by the mailing list. Unsubscribing by clicking a link in an e-mail assumes the person receives HTML mail. Some force text only in which case the link won't work. Others *send* text only so perhaps the Unsubscribe instruction doesn't get included (???) but, even if it does, it won't be clickable. There have even been people who make great contributions to this list who complain about HTML e-mail. -- Harold Fuchs London, England -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
