As long as the most prominent member of this list has zero technical
knowledge, this lengthy discussion about standards, file types and wishful
thinking will not stop. Kindly worded excuses can not replace technical
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2014-11-20 6:02 GMT+01:00 Urmas davian...@gmail.com:
Cley Faye:
is in a straightforward XML file which is as plaintext as an RTF file.
In fact,
it's easier to strip the extra tags out of an XML file
Sure. Now tell us what
{urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns:office:1.0}binary-data
Cley Faye:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1415854_253892949
So, somehow arbitrary BASE64-encoded data are fine in ODF yet an obstacle in
RTF?
Hi :)
Interesting lack of links to any documentation there.
Also i still think that most people are going to find full words and widely
used abbreviations MUCH easier to read than clever 1-4 letter abbreviations
that are pretty much unique to the context. We are obviously going to
carry on
Hi Tom,
I am using intensively shell scripts for example to look up printing dates in
a large number of files. With a few lines of code (and with sed an unzip) one
can quickly extract the information from .odt files due to the well defined
format.
Yours
W. K.
orAm Donnerstag, 20. November
Am 19.11.2014 um 05:20 schrieb Urmas:
Tom Davies:
I still think that Rtf is well worth avoiding if at all possible but
sadly
a whole load of people fell for MS's marketing. Even to this day
there are
people who believe in using it, despite the findings of the court case.
Which court
On 19/11/14 12:34, Andreas Säger wrote:
On a Windows box, MS WordPad is the one and only application I would
try. On my Windows boxes we have a business application which generates
RTF and opens its own RTF for editing, but it is never confronted with
any RTF from other applications.
RTF is
On 11/19/2014 06:34 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Can you answer the question on top of this article? Which non-MS
application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it? On a
Windows box, MS WordPad is the one and only application I would try.
On my Windows boxes we have a business
Am 19.11.2014 um 13:33 schrieb Virgil Arrington:
On Windows, I have found Atlantis to be very well behaved. It's default
file format is RTF. It doesn't do tables, but everything else it does,
it does well.
.atlantiswordprocessor.com
Virgil
Thank you.
It doesn't do tables. So
Italo Vignoli:
RTF is not standard, and is not documented.
You have been linked the specs. Also, it *is* the standard for the document
interchange since 1986.
the ODF standard, which should replace RTF and
every other document format to achieve interoperability.
So you claim that the
Andreas Säger:
Which non-MS
application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it?
The degree of support RTF in application is not related to the 'complexity'
of RTF spec. It has to do with the feature set of particular app. Once
again, if your app lacks half of the features MS Word
On 11/19/2014 8:14 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 19.11.2014 um 13:33 schrieb Virgil Arrington:
On Windows, I have found Atlantis to be very well behaved. It's default
file format is RTF. It doesn't do tables, but everything else it does,
it does well.
.atlantiswordprocessor.com
Virgil
Hi :)
The Rtf spec kept changing at any whim of MS's. They wouldn't publish the
new specs until month or even years later. So in order to 'stay'
compatible everyone else had to reverse engineer or guess what changes MS
might have made. The reason Italo is able to point to a spec of Rtf is
Hi :)
+1
I think i'm not the only one having a bad hair day. My guess is that
most people realise what you were saying.
It is annoying to have to deal with all these different formats with
different programs most of which fall away or change beyond recognition. I
tend to find that
Am 19.11.2014 um 14:05 schrieb Urmas:
Andreas Säger:
Which non-MS
application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it?
The degree of support RTF in application is not related to the
'complexity' of RTF spec. It has to do with the feature set of
particular app. Once again, if your
Am 19.11.2014 um 15:49 schrieb Tom Davies:
Also Rtf is not plain text as it contains tons of spurious coding and
formatting.
Open rtf in a text editor. Just like HTML, it is plain text indeed.
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On 11/19/2014 10:40 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Open rtf in a text editor. Just like HTML, it is plain text indeed.
That's one of the things I've always liked about RTF. In a pinch, one
could open an RTF file in Notepad and strip out all of the RTF coding
and be left with a document's contents.
2014-11-19 16:58 GMT+01:00 Virgil Arrington arringto...@gmail.com:
That's one of the things I've always liked about RTF. In a pinch, one
could open an RTF file in Notepad and strip out all of the RTF coding and
be left with a document's contents. I've never had to do it, but it's nice
that it
Hi :)
I'm really not getting plain text. When i right-click and open in a
text-editor i get this sort of thing;
{\rtf1\ansi\deff3\adeflang1025
{\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Times New
Roman;}{\f1\froman\fprq2\fcharset2 Symbol;}{\f2\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0
Arial;}{\f3\froman\fprq2\fcharset0
Oh no it isn't
(In England we have somewhat bizarre stage shows around this time of year
with lots of routines that the audience knows in advances to help with
audience participation. One of the classics gags is one of the thespian's
says something like the above and the audience counters by all
Am 19.11.2014 um 17:33 schrieb Tom Davies:
I'm really not getting plain text. When i right-click and open in a
text-editor i get this sort of thing;
Which is plain text in plain 7 bit ASCII. I can paste your rtf into any
plain text editor, save as tom.rtf and open tom.rtf with any rtf capable
Sorry, Tom, that is plain text, just like HTML is plain text. Yes, it
contains special codes, but it does not contain anything but plain ASCII
characters.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi :)
I'm really not getting plain text. When i right-click and open
Hi :)
Ahh, right. Now i'm kinda regretting using 4-6 random letters but not
enough to repeat the experiment. I suspect my adfs (or whatever) is
probably something like
E0\85\9F\F2\F9Oh \AB\91
Regards from
Tom :)
On 19 November 2014 17:40, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:
Am
Hi :)
Ahh, ok. If that counts as plain text of a 5 (ish) letter document then
that explains a few misunderstandings i've had.
Regards from
Tom :)
On 19 November 2014 17:44, jomali jomali3...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, Tom, that is plain text, just like HTML is plain text. Yes, it
contains
Huhu. Someone needs to write an extension that save odt files as
base64-encoded. Tadaa, full plaintext files ;)
I'm joking of course. But although rtf is technically plaintext, in
practice it's not always straightforward to read with notepad, even when
the text isn't mangled away in some way. The
Am 19.11.2014 um 19:23 schrieb Tom Davies:
Hi :)
Ahh, ok. If that counts as plain text of a 5 (ish) letter document then
that explains a few misunderstandings i've had.
Regards from
Tom :)
It is a plain text description of an electronic document.
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On 11/17/2014 07:41 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Windows comes with a perfect RTF editor called WordPad.
I thought it now used the new WTF format. ;-)
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Tom Davies:
The Rtf spec kept changing at any whim of MS's. They wouldn't publish the
new specs until month or even years later.
RTF spec is changed according to new product features. Also, it is
extensible, so you can implement any subset you need being able to safely
ignore the rest and
Cley Faye:
is in a straightforward XML file which is as plaintext as an RTF file.
In fact,
it's easier to strip the extra tags out of an XML file
Sure. Now tell us what
{urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns:office:1.0}binary-data element is
for, and what kind of 'plaintext' it does
Tom Davies:
I still think that Rtf is well worth avoiding if at all possible but sadly
a whole load of people fell for MS's marketing. Even to this day there
are
people who believe in using it, despite the findings of the court case.
Which court case? RTF is rather trivial format,
Am 29.09.2014 um 02:04 schrieb Carole Edwards Caruso:
I am using LibreOffice 4.3.0.4 with Windows 7.
Hi,
RTF is an awkward file format.
http://diaryproducts.net/for/geek/microsoft_rtf_specification_nightmare
Windows comes with a perfect RTF editor called WordPad.
Greetings,
Andreas
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Hi :)
Thanks Arkady :)
Regards from
Tom :)
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Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF files rendering: huge differencies in LO
3.4.2 and MSO 2010 -- bug?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 22 September
: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 17:06
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF files rendering: huge differencies in LO
3.4.2 and MSO 2010 -- bug?
On 09/21/2011 09:02 AM, Arkady wrote:
Hi all!
There's a trouble opening simple RTF file in LO 3.4.2. It is opened
Hi all
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 17:06 -0700, NoOp wrote:
On 09/21/2011 09:02 AM, Arkady wrote:
Hi all!
There's a trouble opening simple RTF file in LO 3.4.2. It is opened, but
it's rendering is incorrect. Same file is correctly opened by MSO 2010. May
someone provide feedback on the
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