Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-17 Thread Russ Fineman
P > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Tuesday, 14 August, 2012, 15:24 > > On 08/14/2012 08:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2012-08-13 4:01 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: >>> Yesterday, your c

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread Michael Manning
I strongly support the change. It is the fail-safe option. Users of this list know how to use their email to send back to the list regards Mike -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsub

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread James Knott
Tanstaafl wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: With this mix of system being used for various tasks, I would have a mess if I tried to read emails on more than one system, even if I could get a sync system to work properly between the various Windows and Ubuntu sy

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread Jay Lozier
achines but often install a crippled/trial version of MSO. This may change if MS continues to move into device manufacturing, hardware vendors may promote/install other products to avoid supporting MS. --- On Tue, 14/8/12, Steve Edmonds wrote: From: Steve Edmonds Subject: Re: [libreoff

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread Tanstaafl
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: With this mix of system being used for various tasks, I would have a mess if I tried to read emails on more than one system, even if I could get a sync system to work properly between the various Windows and Ubuntu systems. This is w

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread Tom Davies
Regards from Tom :)  --- On Tue, 14/8/12, Steve Edmonds wrote: From: Steve Edmonds Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed To: "anne-ology" Cc: "Mark LaPierre" , users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 14 August, 2012, 1:03 I primar

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread Tom Davies
have moved to.  Regards from Tom :)  --- On Tue, 14/8/12, Florian Effenberger wrote: From: Florian Effenberger Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 14 August, 2012, 1:12 Hello everyone, I just wanted to

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread Tom Davies
smart phones sometimes use something else.  What people usually mean is they have never used it as a desktop OS.  Regards from Tom :)  --- On Tue, 14/8/12, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have chang

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread Tom Davies
, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 14 August, 2012, 15:24 On 08/14/2012 08:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2012-08-13 4:01 PM, Girvin R. Herr wr

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread Tom Davies
ers 2 including reply.  Does MS ever comply with RFCs?  Does it even try to or claim it tries to? Regards from Tom :)  --- On Tue, 14/8/12, Steven Shelton wrote: From: Steven Shelton Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed To: users@global.libreoffice.org

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-16 Thread Tom Davies
it a total pita for me as i have hundreds of emails to get through and 2 clicks instead of 1 is a pita that i wouldn't normally notice so much.  Regards from Tom :)  --- On Thu, 16/8/12, anne-ology wrote: From: anne-ology Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settin

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-15 Thread anne-ology
exactly; and well expressed. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Bjørn K Nilssen wrote: På Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:31:07 +0200, skrev Florian Effenberger < > flo...@documentfoundation.org**>: > > > Hello, >> >> this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-15 Thread Bjørn K Nilssen
På Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:31:07 +0200, skrev Florian Effenberger : Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Joep L. Blom
On 14-08-12 19:03, anne-ology wrote: wow, you should be a great attorney; you're very expressive. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Steven Shelton wrote: On 8/13/2012 7:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread anne-ology
wow, you should be a great attorney; you're very expressive. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Steven Shelton wrote: > > On 8/13/2012 7:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: > > Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email > tool. After all you're all > Linux

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread anne-ology
exactly; and well said. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Steven Shelton wrote: > On 8/14/2012 5:50 AM, Bjørn K Nilssen wrote: > > My feedback is that I don't like the change at all. > > I agree. The purpose of a list like this is to share information. > Typically, when a person on a lis

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Jay Lozier
On 08/14/2012 10:54 AM, Steven Shelton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/13/2012 7:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installati

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Andrew Brager
So you're saying because everyone else you interact with does it wrong, it should also be done wrong here. Allow me to remind you that two (or 50) wrongs don't make a right. Why is it wrong? Refer to Brian Barker's post wherein he references an RFC. I'd repost what he wrote but I've already

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
3 desktops, 2 laptops, 1 tablet - currently out of storage cabinets and setup to run whenever I need it to. More in storage. 1 Blu-ray Player with Internet content apps. 3 network printers [b&w duplexing, color laser, USB printer/copier/scanner/fax], 1 USB printer [printer/scanner/copier],

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/13/2012 7:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: > Not trying to be rude. All of you should be smart enough to run an email > tool. After all you're all Linux users who administer at least one Linux installation. And, crap, this stupid change . . . this

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/14/2012 5:50 AM, Bjørn K Nilssen wrote: > My feedback is that I don't like the change at all. I agree. The purpose of a list like this is to share information. Typically, when a person on a list such as this one hits "REPLY", that person is par

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread anne-ology
and you have how many computers ??? Just wondering, when do you have time for other things? - as eating, sleeping, or conversing with others - as friends & family; and when do you tend to various jobs; both work & hobbies ??? On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM, webmaster-K

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
On 08/14/2012 08:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2012-08-13 4:01 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Yesterday, your changes broke my email filter which puts libreoffice user group messages in a specific folder. But then I changed the filter from looking at "Reply-To:" to "To:" and thought that would suffice.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread anne-ology
yes, I agree. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2012-08-13 4:01 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: > >> I hope this gets to the right place. I used "Reply All" in >> Thunderbird. The header looks correct, but people are going to get >> duplicate messages. >> > > Why not 'Rep

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread anne-ology
exactly. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Bjørn K Nilssen wrote: My feedback is that I don't like the change at all. > Most of the mailing lists I subscribe to nowadays (~50 lists) are on Yahoo > or Google, and none of them behaves like this, with no Reply-To field. They > all have the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-08-13 4:01 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Yesterday, your changes broke my email filter which puts libreoffice user group messages in a specific folder. But then I changed the filter from looking at "Reply-To:" to "To:" and thought that would suffice. Now, this morning I got 7 libreoffice mes

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-08-13 4:01 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: I hope this gets to the right place. I used "Reply All" in Thunderbird. The header looks correct, but people are going to get duplicate messages. Why not 'Reply to List' (I use the keyboard shortcut, CTRL-SHIFT-L)? Thunderbird added this a long t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Bjørn K Nilssen
På Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:12:33 +0200, skrev Florian Effenberger : Hello everyone, I just wanted to thank everyone for your feedback, and assure you that I read every bit, even if I don't manage to reply to every message in detail. My offer stands valid, let's wait for some more feedback a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-14 Thread Andrew Brager
The questions on your poll are rather "leading". The items you have selected as questions are really not the issue at all. This list is still a list, what else could it be? You're using it right now as you're complaining about it. So clearly, it's not private communication at all. You simp

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
I would bet that you have used a Linux based machine. and you just never knew it. Seems like Linux is everywhere. Seems that I own a DVR, a fancy Panasonic DVD player, and a phone that all seem to be based on Linux. It is everywhere, we just don't know it! :-) On 08/13/2012 07:55 PM, ann

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Felmon Davis
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote: I think I discovered the secret. In this group now, it appears when someone "Reply-All"s to a posting, The "To:" comes from the "From:" posting header entry, which is the poster's address and not practical to filter on in this case. However, the gro

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Anthony Easthope
It is fine the way it is as of now, in fact I quite like the change as it means I no longer get broken threads in my inbox which leads to it being cluttered. so my vote lies with the change, I use to use a Linux machine but found it beyond my comprehension so migrated back to windows. Florian you m

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Girvin R. Herr
webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 08/13/2012 07:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread anne-ology
Another method is to have multiple e-addresses - in this way, the e-address will remain valid even if the ISP changes ;-) each e-address is known to certain ones; I log-in to the e-address I wish to peruse then go on to the next one, etc. [and I'll filter

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
On 08/13/2012 07:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In othe

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread anne-ology
Steve, you're so right; thank you for some statistics. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: I primarily use SUSE but also osx and win. I support Anne. > If (as an example only) 80% of LO potential is win based and this is the > target for growth then to be non-exclusive a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello everyone, I just wanted to thank everyone for your feedback, and assure you that I read every bit, even if I don't manage to reply to every message in detail. My offer stands valid, let's wait for some more feedback and some more days, and then make a final decision. Florian -- Flori

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Steve Edmonds
I primarily use SUSE but also osx and win. I support Anne. If (as an example only) 80% of LO potential is win based and this is the target for growth then to be non-exclusive and encourage advancement in the win platform the support list should cater for the most common win. mail applications.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread David B Teague sr
On 8/13/2012 7:25 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: I see the Reply List next to Reply in Thunderbird. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com That button is apparently a function of this list. It isn't on any other list that I subscribe to. Many thanks to the list managers who took care of this problem.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread anne-ology
you're mis-informed; I, for one, have never used a Linus-based machine; and I bet I'm not the only one. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list h

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 08/12/2012 12:31 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Jay Lozier
On 08/13/2012 06:53 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 08/13/2012 03:37 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: I'm subscribed to quite a few lists by now, and some of them has had this ”new” behaviour for quite some time. I was kind of hoping THEY would change… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバー

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
On 08/13/2012 03:37 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: I'm subscribed to quite a few lists by now, and some of them has had this ”new” behaviour for quite some time. I was kind of hoping THEY would change… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ It will just take some time to get use to NOT usi

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Steve Edmonds
I prefer the list, or even better a forum. I won't be bothered editing the to/cc fields on a reply so it will be reply-all and every poster I reply to will get a private copy. I suspect in time this will become the norm. Steve On 2012-08-14 08:01, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Greetings, I hope this

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Girvin R. Herr
Greetings, I hope this gets to the right place. I used "Reply All" in Thunderbird. The header looks correct, but people are going to get duplicate messages. Here is another side-effect of this change: Florian, Right! Yesterday, your changes broke my email filter which puts libreoffice user

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Anthony Easthope
It has changed to become "@myopera.com" now. and as it is still in beta phase you only have 1gb of space which is still heaps for emails! They plan to increase it in the near future. (best thing with this is there is no adverts to annoy me or nor is there googles stupid tracking policy!) On Mon, 1

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope : > Opera Webmail. I move around to much on computers to use a dedicated > mail client. http://mail.opera.com I actually have an Opera Mail address, but I didn't use it for years now; maybe it's erased by now. So it could be a good idea to use Opera Mail for email lists,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Anthony Easthope
Opera Webmail. I move around to much on computers to use a dedicated mail client. http://mail.opera.com On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:39 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > 2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope : > > To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great > > for mailing lists as it g

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope : > To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great > for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a > conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all > functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit "reply to lis

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2012-08-13 Thread Betti Ann and Preston Smith
Exactly - and this is why I totally am not in favour of replying to the person rather than the list Our British Car list used to reply to the list and if someone asked a question everyone saw the answers and ensuing dialogue. Someone complained about reply to list and the reply to was changed

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
I'm subscribed to quite a few lists by now, and some of them has had this ”new” behaviour for quite some time. I was kind of hoping THEY would change… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.li

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Anthony Easthope
To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit "reply to list" as that is what it is. anyway as t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread anne-ology
exactly. Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual list or (2) to change this from a list to private communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning the ins & outs of L

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread by mistake. I am so use to pressing "Reply" and the next button being "Reply All", that I now have to remember to skip the "Reply" button and remember that the "Reply All" button has been replaced with "Reply List".

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread anne-ology
exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this list to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing the list to hear what's new and learn from others. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread Felmon Davis
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List" instead of the text on the "Reply All" button. I run Thunderbird 14.0. I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a message to the thread.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-13 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P
I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List" instead of the text on the "Reply All" button. I run Thunderbird 14.0. I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a message to the thread. It could be confusing to people, but does make it

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-12 Thread Anthony Easthope
I quite like this idea of change as it now seems that less mistakes should be made! On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 01:33 AM, Brian Barker wrote: > At 18:31 12/08/2012 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > >this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have > >changed (so-called "Reply to mang

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-12 Thread Brian Barker
At 18:31 12/08/2012 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled). Well done! This new way fails safe. A message intended to be public may get sent privately by mistake - a minor inc

Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-12 Thread anne-ology
Just testing; and find this may be the silliest way of setting a list I've seen. If someone cannot take the minute time to check the 'to' 'cc' 'bcc' then the 'subject' line, then are they smart enough to operate a machine ;-) or to handle any secure documents ;-)

[libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

2012-08-12 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were automatically sent direct