Re: [libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

Export to PDF is easy for LO users, but for Windows users, I always 
install doPDF as a PDF document printer driver so the other packages can 
also generate PDF files.  I have CUPS-PDF [Linux] and doPDF [Windows] 
set up as my default printer for every system I own.  Then I do not 
waste paper printing out pages I do not need. Also, having the PDFs in 
folders for warranty, and other printouts, with the manuals, drivers, 
and setup files, for my devices [computer and non] works well for me.





On 03/18/2013 11:03 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
 From looking at files generated by other people i think it's easier to generate Pdfs in 
LibreOffice/OpenOffice.  From actually playing with various programs they seem to be just 
as easy but LO/AOO/OOo/"and the rest" seem to have easier access to more 
options and better defaults.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 5:57
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...


I do not understand the reference?

Are you saying that TDF/LO should promote the "green" issues of reducing
the consumption of paper in offices?

Are you saying that LO will help reduce the amount of paper since the
files can be directly exported as PDF files and other electronic formats
so you do not need to "print and pass" paper copied of the documents?

Yes, a paper reduction is a good idea but I do not know if that
marketing idea is something we want to get involved in promoting, or at
least for now.
Most office and other packages can have their "printing" done by using a
PDF printing client.  CUPS-PDF for Linux and doPDF for Windows.  Then
you do not need to print to paper to save the documents.

Right now, I am promoting LO as a free alternative to MSO.  I want to
promote the abilities of using a free and open source package and not
rely on what type of packages and uses the giants companies tell the
users that the user want, and not really asking.  LO users ask for what
they need and our developers try to provide it.  MSO tell users that
there is a need for only a few supported languages, while LO is now at
about 100 languages and adding more every few months [it seems].


As for paperless, or paper reduction in my home/office. . . .

I personally print web pages to PDF before I make a paper copy, since
many sites do not print "properly" and there is a lot of pages "printed
in the PDF file that does not contain usable information.  At that point
I only print to paper the pages that has the needed data/information and
not waste paper.

Also, is there a benefit using LO over MSO for the reduction of paper?
Or is it just the user's mindset not to print out everything, every
document and its edits, every web page or news article, etc., etc..


On 03/17/2013 10:40 PM, anne-ology wrote:

  ... just wondering if LO might be more promotable if they joined
with this paperless idea  ;-)




**
  The Nitro Blog: We’re tossing paper this year—join
us!<http://blog.nitropdf.com>

 --

We’re tossing paper this year—join
us!<http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheNitroPdfBlog/~3/dkgHEXCqXqo/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>

Posted: 15 Mar 2013 07:00 AM PDT
*Announcing Nitro’s partnership with Paperless2013 *

In 2010, the average amount of paper waste generated by each person living
in the US was *334 pounds*.1

The average office worker uses *10,000 sheets of copy paper* each year.2

The “paperless office” has remained a fantasy for about 20 years.

It’s time to make it a reality and bring these numbers down!

That’s why we’re very excited to partner with the Paperless2013
coalition<http://www.paperless2013.org/>,
a group of like-minded companies working to take the “paper” out of
paperwork. With our
background<http://blog.nitropdf.com/2013/01/whats-preventing-the-paperless-office/>in
digital documents, it’s a no-brainer.





Along with the other sponsors
<http://www.paperless2013.org/sponsors.php>of Paperless2013, like
Google Drive, Fujitsu, and Eventbrite, we can offer
our users a truly complete solution to help make their lives paperless. In
the coming months, we’ll be participating in some exciting promotions to
make this dream world a reality.

Take the pledge<http://www.paperless2013.org/>  to go paperless in 2013 by
subscribing to the coalition’s monthly newsletter with the latest tips &
tools, and by following us on Twitter<https://twitter.com/Paperless2013>and
Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/Paperless2013>.



1 American Forest & Paper Association

2 US Environmental Protection Agency

Related posts:

  1. Using Your Print Settings to Save
Paper<http://blog.nitropdf.com/2008/05/using-your-print-settings-to-save-paper/>
  2. PDF Annotation Tools: bridging the gap between paper and di

Re: [libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Errr, this Nitro thing seems to be just a 3rd party product for reading/writing 
Pdfs, which LibreOffice does very well on it's own.  It also seems to be able 
to take scanned images (Ocr = Optical Character Recognition) and  convert into 
editable Pdfs and allows editing words inside such Pdfs and others.  But you 
have to buy it and there are a LOT of other 3rd party products out there that 
do the same thing.  Foxit for example.  Do we know if Nitro is OpenSource or 
proprietary?  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Tom Davies 
>To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster ; 
>"users@global.libreoffice.org"  
>Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 15:03
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...
> 
>
>Hi :)
>From looking at files generated by other people i think it's easier to 
>generate Pdfs in LibreOffice/OpenOffice.  From actually playing with various 
>programs they seem to be just as easy but LO/AOO/OOo/"and the rest" seem to 
>have easier access to more options and better defaults.  
>Regards from 
>Tom :)  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
>>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>>Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 5:57
>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...
>> 
>>
>>I do not understand the reference?
>>
>>Are you saying that TDF/LO should promote the "green" issues of reducing 
>>the consumption of paper in offices?
>>
>>Are you saying that LO will help reduce the amount of paper since the 
>>files can be directly exported as PDF files and other electronic formats 
>>so you do not need to "print and pass" paper copied of the documents?
>>
>>Yes, a paper reduction is a good idea but I do not know if that 
>>marketing idea is something we want to get involved in promoting, or at 
>>least for now.
>>Most office and other packages can have their "printing" done by using a 
>>PDF printing client.  CUPS-PDF for
 Linux and doPDF for Windows.  Then 
>>you do not need to print to paper to save the documents.
>>
>>Right now, I am promoting LO as a free alternative to MSO.  I want to 
>>promote the abilities of using a free and open source package and not 
>>rely on what type of packages and uses the giants companies tell the 
>>users that the user want, and not really asking.  LO users ask for what 
>>they need and our developers try to provide it.  MSO tell users that 
>>there is a need for only a few supported languages, while LO is now at 
>>about 100 languages and adding more every few months [it seems].
>>
>>
>>As for paperless, or paper reduction in my home/office. . . .
>>
>>I personally print web pages to PDF before I make a paper copy, since 
>>many sites do not print "properly" and there is a lot of pages "printed 
>>in the PDF file that does not contain usable information.  At that point 
>>I only print to paper
 the pages that has the needed data/information and 
>>not waste paper.
>>
>>Also, is there a benefit using LO over MSO for the reduction of paper?  
>>Or is it just the user's mindset not to print out everything, every 
>>document and its edits, every web page or news article, etc., etc..
>>
>>
>>On 03/17/2013 10:40 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>>         ... just wondering if LO might be more promotable if they joined
>>> with this paperless idea  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>     The Nitro Blog: We’re tossing paper this year—join
>>> us!<http://blog.nitropdf.com>
>>>
>>>    --
>>>
>>> We’re tossing paper this year—join
>>> us!<http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheNitroPdfBlog/~3/dkgHEXCqXqo/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
>>>
>>> Posted: 15 Mar 2013 07:00 AM PDT
>>> *Announcing Nitro’s partnership with Paperless2013 *
>>>
>>> In 2010, the average amount of paper waste generated by each person living
>>> in the US was *334 pounds*.1
>>>
>>> The average office worker uses *10,000 sheets of copy paper* each year.2
>>>
>>> The “paperless office” has remained a fantasy for about 20 years.
>>>
>>> It’s time to make it a reality and bring these numbers down!
>>>
>>> That’s why we’re very excited to partner with the Paperless2013
>>> coalition<http://www.paperless2013.org/>,
>>> a group of like-minded companies working to take the “paper” out of
>>> paperwork. Wi

Re: [libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
From looking at files generated by other people i think it's easier to generate 
Pdfs in LibreOffice/OpenOffice.  From actually playing with various programs 
they seem to be just as easy but LO/AOO/OOo/"and the rest" seem to have easier 
access to more options and better defaults.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 5:57
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...
> 
>
>I do not understand the reference?
>
>Are you saying that TDF/LO should promote the "green" issues of reducing 
>the consumption of paper in offices?
>
>Are you saying that LO will help reduce the amount of paper since the 
>files can be directly exported as PDF files and other electronic formats 
>so you do not need to "print and pass" paper copied of the documents?
>
>Yes, a paper reduction is a good idea but I do not know if that 
>marketing idea is something we want to get involved in promoting, or at 
>least for now.
>Most office and other packages can have their "printing" done by using a 
>PDF printing client.  CUPS-PDF for Linux and doPDF for Windows.  Then 
>you do not need to print to paper to save the documents.
>
>Right now, I am promoting LO as a free alternative to MSO.  I want to 
>promote the abilities of using a free and open source package and not 
>rely on what type of packages and uses the giants companies tell the 
>users that the user want, and not really asking.  LO users ask for what 
>they need and our developers try to provide it.  MSO tell users that 
>there is a need for only a few supported languages, while LO is now at 
>about 100 languages and adding more every few months [it seems].
>
>
>As for paperless, or paper reduction in my home/office. . . .
>
>I personally print web pages to PDF before I make a paper copy, since 
>many sites do not print "properly" and there is a lot of pages "printed 
>in the PDF file that does not contain usable information.  At that point 
>I only print to paper the pages that has the needed data/information and 
>not waste paper.
>
>Also, is there a benefit using LO over MSO for the reduction of paper?  
>Or is it just the user's mindset not to print out everything, every 
>document and its edits, every web page or news article, etc., etc..
>
>
>On 03/17/2013 10:40 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>         ... just wondering if LO might be more promotable if they joined
>> with this paperless idea  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>     The Nitro Blog: We’re tossing paper this year—join
>> us!<http://blog.nitropdf.com>
>>
>>    --
>>
>> We’re tossing paper this year—join
>> us!<http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheNitroPdfBlog/~3/dkgHEXCqXqo/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
>>
>> Posted: 15 Mar 2013 07:00 AM PDT
>> *Announcing Nitro’s partnership with Paperless2013 *
>>
>> In 2010, the average amount of paper waste generated by each person living
>> in the US was *334 pounds*.1
>>
>> The average office worker uses *10,000 sheets of copy paper* each year.2
>>
>> The “paperless office” has remained a fantasy for about 20 years.
>>
>> It’s time to make it a reality and bring these numbers down!
>>
>> That’s why we’re very excited to partner with the Paperless2013
>> coalition<http://www.paperless2013.org/>,
>> a group of like-minded companies working to take the “paper” out of
>> paperwork. With our
>> background<http://blog.nitropdf.com/2013/01/whats-preventing-the-paperless-office/>in
>> digital documents, it’s a no-brainer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Along with the other sponsors
>> <http://www.paperless2013.org/sponsors.php>of Paperless2013, like
>> Google Drive, Fujitsu, and Eventbrite, we can offer
>> our users a truly complete solution to help make their lives paperless. In
>> the coming months, we’ll be participating in some exciting promotions to
>> make this dream world a reality.
>>
>> Take the pledge<http://www.paperless2013.org/>  to go paperless in 2013 by
>> subscribing to the coalition’s monthly newsletter with the latest tips &
>> tools, and by following us on Twitter<https://twitter.com/Paperless2013>and
>> Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/Paperless2013>.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1 American Forest & Paper Association
>>
>> 2 US Environmental Protection Agency
>>
>> Related posts:
>>
>>     1. Using Your Print Settings to S

Re: [libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...

[anne-ology]

   good points.

   I was neither pro- nor con- -
  merely saw this and thought the list might be interested, or not,
 in another PR opportunity, or not,  ;-)



On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster <
webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:


> I do not understand the reference?
>
> Are you saying that TDF/LO should promote the "green" issues of reducing
> the consumption of paper in offices?
>
> Are you saying that LO will help reduce the amount of paper since the
> files can be directly exported as PDF files and other electronic formats so
> you do not need to "print and pass" paper copied of the documents?
>
> Yes, a paper reduction is a good idea but I do not know if that marketing
> idea is something we want to get involved in promoting, or at least for now.
> Most office and other packages can have their "printing" done by using a
> PDF printing client.  CUPS-PDF for Linux and doPDF for Windows.  Then you
> do not need to print to paper to save the documents.
>
> Right now, I am promoting LO as a free alternative to MSO.  I want to
> promote the abilities of using a free and open source package and not rely
> on what type of packages and uses the giants companies tell the users that
> the user want, and not really asking.  LO users ask for what they need and
> our developers try to provide it.  MSO tell users that there is a need for
> only a few supported languages, while LO is now at about 100 languages and
> adding more every few months [it seems].
>
>
> As for paperless, or paper reduction in my home/office. . . .
>
> I personally print web pages to PDF before I make a paper copy, since many
> sites do not print "properly" and there is a lot of pages "printed in the
> PDF file that does not contain usable information.  At that point I only
> print to paper the pages that has the needed data/information and not waste
> paper.
>
> Also, is there a benefit using LO over MSO for the reduction of paper?  Or
> is it just the user's mindset not to print out everything, every document
> and its edits, every web page or news article, etc., etc..
>
>
>
> On 03/17/2013 10:40 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>
>> ... just wondering if LO might be more promotable if they joined
>> with this paperless idea  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> The Nitro Blog: We’re tossing paper this year—join
>> us!
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>> We’re tossing paper this year—join
>> us!> dkgHEXCqXqo/?utm_source=**feedburner&utm_medium=email
>> >
>>
>>
>> Posted: 15 Mar 2013 07:00 AM PDT
>> *Announcing Nitro’s partnership with Paperless2013 *
>>
>>
>> In 2010, the average amount of paper waste generated by each person living
>> in the US was *334 pounds*.1
>>
>> The average office worker uses *10,000 sheets of copy paper* each year.2
>>
>>
>> The “paperless office” has remained a fantasy for about 20 years.
>>
>> It’s time to make it a reality and bring these numbers down!
>>
>> That’s why we’re very excited to partner with the Paperless2013
>> coalition
>> >,
>>
>> a group of like-minded companies working to take the “paper” out of
>> paperwork. With our
>> background> preventing-the-paperless-**office/
>> >in
>>
>> digital documents, it’s a no-brainer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Along with the other sponsors
>> >of
>> Paperless2013, like
>>
>> Google Drive, Fujitsu, and Eventbrite, we can offer
>> our users a truly complete solution to help make their lives paperless. In
>> the coming months, we’ll be participating in some exciting promotions to
>> make this dream world a reality.
>>
>> Take the 
>> pledge>
>>  to go paperless in 2013 by
>>
>> subscribing to the coalition’s monthly newsletter with the latest tips &
>> tools, and by following us on 
>> Twitter
>> >and
>> Facebook
>> >.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 1 American Forest & Paper Association
>>
>> 2 US Environmental Protection Agency
>>
>> Related posts:
>>
>> 1. Using Your Print Settings to Save
>> Paper> settings-to-save-paper/
>> >
>> 2. PDF Annotation Tools: bridging the gap between paper and digital
>> 
>> documents
>> >
>>  

Re: [libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...

[Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

I do not understand the reference?

Are you saying that TDF/LO should promote the "green" issues of reducing 
the consumption of paper in offices?


Are you saying that LO will help reduce the amount of paper since the 
files can be directly exported as PDF files and other electronic formats 
so you do not need to "print and pass" paper copied of the documents?


Yes, a paper reduction is a good idea but I do not know if that 
marketing idea is something we want to get involved in promoting, or at 
least for now.
Most office and other packages can have their "printing" done by using a 
PDF printing client.  CUPS-PDF for Linux and doPDF for Windows.  Then 
you do not need to print to paper to save the documents.


Right now, I am promoting LO as a free alternative to MSO.  I want to 
promote the abilities of using a free and open source package and not 
rely on what type of packages and uses the giants companies tell the 
users that the user want, and not really asking.  LO users ask for what 
they need and our developers try to provide it.  MSO tell users that 
there is a need for only a few supported languages, while LO is now at 
about 100 languages and adding more every few months [it seems].



As for paperless, or paper reduction in my home/office. . . .

I personally print web pages to PDF before I make a paper copy, since 
many sites do not print "properly" and there is a lot of pages "printed 
in the PDF file that does not contain usable information.  At that point 
I only print to paper the pages that has the needed data/information and 
not waste paper.


Also, is there a benefit using LO over MSO for the reduction of paper?  
Or is it just the user's mindset not to print out everything, every 
document and its edits, every web page or news article, etc., etc..



On 03/17/2013 10:40 PM, anne-ology wrote:

... just wondering if LO might be more promotable if they joined
with this paperless idea  ;-)




**
The Nitro Blog: We’re tossing paper this year—join
us!

   --

We’re tossing paper this year—join
us!

Posted: 15 Mar 2013 07:00 AM PDT
*Announcing Nitro’s partnership with Paperless2013 *

In 2010, the average amount of paper waste generated by each person living
in the US was *334 pounds*.1

The average office worker uses *10,000 sheets of copy paper* each year.2

The “paperless office” has remained a fantasy for about 20 years.

It’s time to make it a reality and bring these numbers down!

That’s why we’re very excited to partner with the Paperless2013
coalition,
a group of like-minded companies working to take the “paper” out of
paperwork. With our
backgroundin
digital documents, it’s a no-brainer.





Along with the other sponsors
of Paperless2013, like
Google Drive, Fujitsu, and Eventbrite, we can offer
our users a truly complete solution to help make their lives paperless. In
the coming months, we’ll be participating in some exciting promotions to
make this dream world a reality.

Take the pledge  to go paperless in 2013 by
subscribing to the coalition’s monthly newsletter with the latest tips &
tools, and by following us on Twitterand
Facebook.



1 American Forest & Paper Association

2 US Environmental Protection Agency

Related posts:

1. Using Your Print Settings to Save
Paper
2. PDF Annotation Tools: bridging the gap between paper and digital
documents
3. New Year, New Job: Make your resume pop with
PDF




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[libreoffice-users] re. paperless groups ...

[anne-ology]

   ... just wondering if LO might be more promotable if they joined
with this paperless idea  ;-)




**
   The Nitro Blog: We’re tossing paper this year—join
us!

  --

We’re tossing paper this year—join
us!

Posted: 15 Mar 2013 07:00 AM PDT
*Announcing Nitro’s partnership with Paperless2013 *

In 2010, the average amount of paper waste generated by each person living
in the US was *334 pounds*.1

The average office worker uses *10,000 sheets of copy paper* each year.2

The “paperless office” has remained a fantasy for about 20 years.

It’s time to make it a reality and bring these numbers down!

That’s why we’re very excited to partner with the Paperless2013
coalition,
a group of like-minded companies working to take the “paper” out of
paperwork. With our
backgroundin
digital documents, it’s a no-brainer.





Along with the other sponsors
of Paperless2013, like
Google Drive, Fujitsu, and Eventbrite, we can offer
our users a truly complete solution to help make their lives paperless. In
the coming months, we’ll be participating in some exciting promotions to
make this dream world a reality.

Take the pledge  to go paperless in 2013 by
subscribing to the coalition’s monthly newsletter with the latest tips &
tools, and by following us on Twitter and
Facebook .



1 American Forest & Paper Association

2 US Environmental Protection Agency

Related posts:

   1. Using Your Print Settings to Save
Paper
   2. PDF Annotation Tools: bridging the gap between paper and digital
   documents 
   3. New Year, New Job: Make your resume pop with
PDF

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