Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/12/2011 08:53 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: Did you start wallpapoz and not turn it off? It'll do that. I beg to differ. I use wallpapoz on both my desktop and my laptop and haven't had the slightest difficulty because of it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/12/2011 05:07 PM, James McKenzie wrote: he decision has been made, for us by others, that the desktop will move into the 21st Century. I would rather say that certain people have decided what the desktop of the 21st Century will be and have also decided that the rest of us will have no

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/12/2011 07:54 PM, James McKenzie wrote: People are tired of using poor quality software written to a broken OS. Say rather that most people are so used to badly written software and a broken OS that they don't realize how bad things are; they think it's normal. Right now, I'm house

Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log

2011-06-13 Thread Hiisi
On 12 June 2011 17:30, Andre Speelmans fedora-l...@cosiso.nl wrote: Surely I can. I just thought there should be the other way. Say, thru sudo. Well, it seems that changing file attributes is the only way here. Add this to the Cmnd_alias: less  /var/log/audit/audit.log When I'm trying to

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote: Yup, man pages aren't very friendly for newbs.  But they aren't really intended for that audience.  They're intended as handy reference documents, rather than tutorials. Some of them are better  written than others.  

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.com wrote: Why?  There are many people out there that play games, and for gaming no OS out there, no Crossover, wine, ..., Virtual machines out there beat windows.   Most of the games are for windows and till linux creates

Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log

2011-06-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/13/2011 03:02 PM, Hiisi wrote: On 12 June 2011 17:30, Andre Speelmans fedora-l...@cosiso.nl wrote: Surely I can. I just thought there should be the other way. Say, thru sudo. Well, it seems that changing file attributes is the only way here. Add this to the Cmnd_alias: less

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:55:02 +0800, KP wrote: I don't know if it is yum, the package group definitions or the package dependencies that are wrong - but no matter who is to blame - the result is definitely not intuitive (or imho correct)... You read the dependencies backwards. Below are a

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Alan Cox
The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other way around. If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro he likes better. The primary end user Linux UI is Android. In that sense the argument is over for the moment. Alan -- users mailing list

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Klaus Pedersen
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: You read the dependencies backwards. [...] If you remove ppp, you cannot keep any packages that depend on ppp. Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is not expected that this

Printer still not working with LibreOffice, etc.

2011-06-13 Thread Lawrence E Graves
Fedora 15 is still flushing my printer. -- Lawrence E Graves lgra...@risingstarmbc.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: OT: allow ordinary user to read /var/log/audit/audit.log

2011-06-13 Thread Hiisi
On 13 June 2011 11:52, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: --SNIP-- Cmnd_Alias HOSPES = /sbin/service, /sbin/chkconfig, /usr/sbin/setsebool, /sbin/restorecon, /usr/sbin/semanage, /usr/sbin/setenforce, less  /var/log/audit/audit.log it falls with error: /etc/sudoers: syntax error near

software time lock and web access control

2011-06-13 Thread Javier Perez
Hi Is there any easy to use and setup program to control web access for a user? also to set time of day allowed usage of certain programs? This for a home computer using Fedora 14. I know maybe a combintion of IPTABLES and probably SQUID should do the trick, but 1. I want something easy to use

Re: outdated Tor version in Fedora (missing security fixes)

2011-06-13 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/10/2011 11:38 PM, Fennix wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Christoph A. cas...@gmail.com mailto:cas...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/10/2011 06:28 PM, Fennix wrote: As to

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 08:42:57AM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: A lot of information on how to do things in linux actually comes from lists exactly like this one! Well, yes. As does a lot of help for Windows, and Mac... But the newbies won't see them. And they won't do the Tour in XP, or

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:36:20 -0500 Dave Ihnat wrote: And users crave that comfortable familiarity; when trying something new, abnormal behavior will strike hardest, and frustration with what should be simple tasks will cost much more. This problem extends even to phones :-). It was several

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0800, KP wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: You read the dependencies backwards. [...] If you remove ppp, you cannot keep any packages that depend on ppp. Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support -

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/13/2011 07:03 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote Both commands are not the exact opposite of groupinstall and install due to dependencies on additional packages. A groupinstall can add required packages not listed in the group. Same for a normal install. yum install foo may pull in packages

Tweetdeck like Twitter client for your Fedora 14 desktop

2011-06-13 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
http://fusionlinux.org/2011/06/13/tweetdeck-like-twitter-client-for-your-fedora-14-desktop/ Twitter is badly broken on Fedora 14 because all currently available twitter clients (like pino, qwit and mitter) don’t work with oauth bazed twitter authorization. Don’t fret, Turpial comes to the

Re: Tweetdeck like Twitter client for your Fedora 14 desktop

2011-06-13 Thread Steven Stern
On 06/13/2011 08:47 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: http://fusionlinux.org/2011/06/13/tweetdeck-like-twitter-client-for-your-fedora-14-desktop/ Twitter is badly broken on Fedora 14 because all currently available twitter clients (like pino, qwit and mitter) don�t work with oauth bazed

Re: git patch comments

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Todd Zullinger wrote: For git commits, you should use the format: $subject $body That's how the git patches are created. If it is supposed to work then it is a bug because it is not working that way. I'll get this posted to the git list/bugzilla when I can. Thanks. -- users mailing list

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread James McKenzie
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Phil Savoie psavoie1...@rogers.com wrote: On 12/06/2011 11:12 PM, David wrote: I see. Now I understand you completely. Since Linux is user supported. I am sure that the developers would welcome any tutorials that you would write and provide. That is the way the

sudoku-savant

2011-06-13 Thread Andrew Gray
Hi sudoku-savant is far too small 9x9 on 1600x1200 screen it needs ability to resize the gui please Gnome3 F15 -- Andrew Gray andr...@linnetsol.co.uk linnet Solutions ltd -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Klaus Pedersen
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is not expected that this operation should remove all Networking! Then what is it supposed to do instead? yum groupinfo 'Dial-up Networking

Re: sudoku-savant

2011-06-13 Thread Steve Searle
Around 03:13pm on Monday, June 13, 2011 (UK time), Andrew Gray scrawled: Hi sudoku-savant is far too small 9x9 on 1600x1200 screen it needs ability to resize the gui please Use bugzilla to request feature changes - the developers are unlikely to see your email on this list. Steve --

Genesi Efika MX netbook - opinions? (Maybe OT)

2011-06-13 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
HI Guys, I have seen this little machine, and I would like to know from the owners who are using it daily? What is the general opinion about it? Is it capable to run at least Fedora F12-F13? Or webOS? Thanks, Zoltan -- PGP:  06853DF7 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Genesi Efika MX netbook - opinions? (Maybe OT)

2011-06-13 Thread Alan Cox
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:36:56 +0200 Zoltan Hoppar hopp...@gmail.com wrote: HI Guys, I have seen this little machine, and I would like to know from the owners who are using it daily? What is the general opinion about it? Is it capable to run at least Fedora F12-F13? Or webOS? I thought all

Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!

2011-06-13 Thread BeartoothHOS
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:23:35 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/12/2011 08:53 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: Did you start wallpapoz and not turn it off? It'll do that. I beg to differ. I use wallpapoz on both my desktop and my laptop and haven't had the slightest difficulty because of it.

Re: git patch comments

2011-06-13 Thread Todd Zullinger
Michael Cronenworth wrote: That's how the git patches are created. If it is supposed to work then it is a bug because it is not working that way. I'll get this posted to the git list/bugzilla when I can. Thanks. There isn't any git bugzilla, so just mailing the git list is the way to go.

Re: git patch comments

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Todd Zullinger wrote: However, I'm still curious to see a git formatted patch that is affected here. I use git am regularly and have never seen this. I would post one, but they are proprietary. I double checked the patches and indeed they are formatted as: line 1 line 2 line 3 Testing the

Re: Genesi Efika MX netbook - opinions? (Maybe OT)

2011-06-13 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Zoltan Hoppar hopp...@gmail.com wrote: HI Guys, I have seen this little machine, and I would like to know from the owners who are using it daily? What is the general opinion about it? Is it capable to run at least Fedora F12-F13? Or webOS? Thanks, Zoltan

Re: git patch comments

2011-06-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:32:59 -0500, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: I double checked the patches and indeed they are formatted as: line 1 line 2 line 3 Testing the following formatting of: line 1 line 2 line 3 results in the expected formatting. Slightly

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:40:09 +0800, KP wrote: I agree that if I explicitly ask to remove ppp then yum is supposed to remove dependencies. What I don't understand is how naive the group commands are working. Well, if you want to go down that road, discussing this could reach a sudden end. ;)

Burning Video DVD Howto

2011-06-13 Thread james tate
Fedora 15/Kde4 . I have tried to burn burn a one hour videos using K3B File New Project New Video Dvd Project , It creates a VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS , but if I select a AVI or mp4 video to the Project, I get the following Error; Could not determine size of resulting image file. Is there a

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/13/2011 06:33 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0800, KP wrote: Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is not expected that this operation should remove all Networking! Then what is it supposed to do instead? If you can

Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/13/2011 08:10 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: Do you have it set to show different backgrounds of different workspaces? I was going to originally, but ended up with having all of them change backgrounds together but randomly. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: software time lock and web access control

2011-06-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 07:21:46 -0500, Javier Perez pepeb...@gmail.com wrote: I know maybe a combintion of IPTABLES and probably SQUID should do the trick, but You can probably just use iptables and a cron job. iptables has a way to check packets associated with particular users. So you

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread les
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 20:04 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: el... I would love to see the folks in Redmond squirm. Windows has so many problems that it should be banned from anywhere where reliability is key. Go to your local hospital and see what they are running. It scares me that they

Re: git patch comments

2011-06-13 Thread Todd Zullinger
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:32:59 -0500, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: I double checked the patches and indeed they are formatted as: line 1 line 2 line 3 Testing the following formatting of: line 1 line 2 line 3 results in the expected

Installing Tweetdeck - unsolvable?

2011-06-13 Thread Steven Stern
For the next person who might run into this I've installed Adobe Air (yes, but let's not go there) from the adobe linux repo and now I'm trying to get it to install Tweetdeck. The installation falls apart: Here's a snippet from the install log: Adobe AIR Application Installer:19463][INFO]

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:09:46 -0700, JZ wrote: On 06/13/2011 06:33 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:48:12 +0800, KP wrote: Remember that what I wanted was to remove Dial-up Networking Support - it is not expected that this operation should remove all Networking!

Fedora 15 Doesn't started

2011-06-13 Thread Navdeep Singh Sidhu
I hv got a problem. I have purchased a dell studio laptop with these config. i7 processor 2.2 GHZ boost up to 3.3 8 GB ram 2 GB nvidia 540m graphics card Intel hd graphics card 750 GB hardisk. so the main problem is when i boot fedora 15 it doesn't show any screen. i have installed it on my

Re: Fedora 15 Doesn't started

2011-06-13 Thread fedora
Is possibly the boot manager not correctly installed? Do you get any boot screen with kernel-name? Otherwise, try to boot from your recovery/installation CD, go into recover and set up your boot manager. suomi On 2011-06-13 19:26, Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote: I hv got a problem. I have

Re: software time lock and web access control

2011-06-13 Thread Arthur Dent
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 07:21 -0500, Javier Perez wrote: Hi Is there any easy to use and setup program to control web access for a user? also to set time of day allowed usage of certain programs? This for a home computer using Fedora 14. I know maybe a combintion of IPTABLES and probably

Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!

2011-06-13 Thread BeartoothHOS
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 09:14:09 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/13/2011 08:10 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: Do you have it set to show different backgrounds of different workspaces? I was going to originally, but ended up with having all of them change backgrounds together but randomly.

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Alan Evans
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:37 PM, David wrote: I disagree. He makes a very valid point. New installs of Windows always come up with a tutorial and helper app. I have never seen anything like that on Linux Really? Seriously? What New installs of Windows of Windows are you referring to? None

Re: Fedora 15 Doesn't started

2011-06-13 Thread Timothy Murphy
Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote: so the main problem is when i boot fedora 15 it doesn't show any screen. It's not clear (to me, at least) precisely what you mean. Does the grub screen come up, and you choose Fedora-15, and then it goes wrong? Or does nothing at all come up on the screen? In any

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/13/2011 10:12 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: How would you install Networking? Well, I generally make sure that it's selected when I install Fedora. Checking, I find that there's a directory on this box, /etc/ppp so it must have been brought in with everything else. However, I don't see

Re: gnome/XFCE desktop wallpaper problem - it won't stay!

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/13/2011 11:16 AM, BeartoothHOS wrote: When it first started doing that, I had forgotten I'd played with wallpapoz, and was thoroughly bewildered for a couple days. Email the maintainer. I had trouble with it when I first switched from Gnome to XFCE, and he had a fix for it within a day

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread John Aldrich
On Sun June 12 2011, Stephen Bunn wrote: Seriously? You aren't really trying to argue the point that windows has better documentation than GNU/Linux. That and the *goal* shouldn't be who has the most users. The *goal* should be a desktop that does what the user base needs it to do. The

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 13/06/2011 3:01 PM, John Aldrich wrote: No, I think that Windows is just more user-friendly and does more hand- holding than Linux. I think we need to get out of the mindset of we don't want 'everybody' using linux because then it wouldn't be cool. It often seems that's the attitude that a

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:47:49 -0700, JZ wrote: How would you install Networking? Well, I generally make sure that it's selected when I install Fedora. Really? Do you add/choose a particular package group for it? Or do you visit potential groups in search for ppp and place a checkmark next

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Kam Leo
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other way around.  If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro he likes better. The primary end user Linux UI is Android. In that sense the

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Andras Simon sza...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/13/11, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: [...] Considered XFCE and LXDE instead, but decided the best option was to abandon the Desktop GUI environment all-together in favor of a well-featured window manager,

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Digimer li...@alteeve.com wrote: On 06/12/2011 06:08 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on.  My current [snip] Every distro exists to fit a niche. That Fedora is not the one for

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread John Aldrich
On Mon June 13 2011, Marcus D. Leech wrote: Well sure. But let's not go down the path of lobotomizing it to the point where it has achieved glorified typewriter status. Which is, I'm afraid, where most people's mindset is about computers in general, and Windows in particular. If

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/13/2011 12:20 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Really? Do you add/choose a particular package group for it? Or do you visit potential groups in search for ppp and place a checkmark next to ppp there? Or do you rely on the default install to include PPP support? As I've shown, there is no

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/13/2011 12:25 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: After all, most of the hardware is at least 6 years old. So, by today's standards, for a desktop, it's OLD, and I need it to maintain usability for another 2 to 3 years. The mobo and CPU on my main desktop box go back to '03, and I'm not in a

Current preupgrade?

2011-06-13 Thread BeartoothHOS
Some weeks ago, when preupgrade led or could lead to F15 Beta, I tried it and got royally snarled up. I never did get Gnome3 to boot properly on that machine, and finally installed Scientific Linux, which I also wanted to try. (I like it.) I'm thinking I might want to try F15

RE: Adieu, Fedora

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nss_ldap + sssd for hostname resolution

2011-06-13 Thread Luc Lalonde
Hello Folks, I can't seem to get a combination that was working with Fedora 13 to work with Fedora 15. In Fedora 13 I would use these settings in /etc/nsswitch.conf: hosts: files dns ldap And in /etc/ldap.conf: nss_base_hosts ou=Hosts,dc=foobar,dc=org?one If I try to do this

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sun, 6/12/11, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on. This reminds me of OS/2 users on oS/2 maling list who often  decided that not only

OT: RE: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Fred Erickson
Yes, and a cute little dog when you do a file search would be nice too! Speaking of cute little dogs...maybe someone should redo M$ Bob for Linux...we could call it Linux Boob :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: nss_ldap + sssd for hostname resolution

2011-06-13 Thread Nalin Dahyabhai
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 03:45:50PM -0400, Luc Lalonde wrote: Hello Folks, I can't seem to get a combination that was working with Fedora 13 to work with Fedora 15. In Fedora 13 I would use these settings in /etc/nsswitch.conf: hosts: files dns ldap I really would recommend not

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sun, 6/12/11, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/12/2011 03:08 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: It's been a nice ride these past 7 years with Fedora as my primary OS, but it's time to move on.  My current [snip] As was stated in a recent response on this list, Fedora is always in

Re: nss_ldap + sssd for hostname resolution

2011-06-13 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 15:45 -0400, Luc Lalonde wrote: Hello Folks, I can't seem to get a combination that was working with Fedora 13 to work with Fedora 15. In Fedora 13 I would use these settings in /etc/nsswitch.conf: hosts: files dns ldap And in /etc/ldap.conf:

Still some mysteie about FC15

2011-06-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime. 2. The method for making the cursor's focus become active

Re: nss_ldap + sssd for hostname resolution

2011-06-13 Thread Nalin Dahyabhai
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:00:45PM -0400, Nalin Dahyabhai wrote: If you're using nss-pam-ldapd, you'd want to put something like this in your /etc/nslcd.conf and make sure the nslcd service is started: base hosts ou=Hosts,dc=foobar,dc=org?one Strike that. It would actually be more like:

Re: Current preupgrade?

2011-06-13 Thread suvayu ali
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM, BeartoothHOS bearto...@comcast.net wrote: yum install xfce # yum groupinstall xfce -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:33:38 -0700, JZ wrote: I have never, knowingly, installed it on this laptop. I did, however, make sure that Networking Support was installed when I first installed Fedora 13. Although I have used dial-up support under Linux, by the time I got this box I no longer

Still some mysteries about FC15

2011-06-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
TO FIX A MANGLED SUBJECT LINE Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime. 2. The method for making

Re: Current preupgrade?

2011-06-13 Thread Ranjan Maitra
I have never had any success with preupgrade so have sworn off it. Instead, I have used yum following the instructions at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_14_-.3E_Fedora_15 It was effortless this last time around. It appears, however, that you would like to use XFCE instead

Re: Still some mysteie about FC15

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:14:56 -0500, AK wrote: Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime.

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/13/2011 01:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-) Not quite. My thinking is that if it comes in with the rest of Networking, there's a reason, even if I don't know what it is. For all I know it might simply be that that's how it was set up back when most

Re: NetworkManager cannot connect automatically to hidden network. nm-applet shows *really* big icons

2011-06-13 Thread Andrew Parker
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: After upgrading to f15 the nm-applet cannot automatically connect to hidden wlan networks. It sees them and I can connect to them manually. The connect automatically checkbox is clicked. Another problem is that the

Re: Default browser problem -

2011-06-13 Thread Tim Evans
Something's seriously broken and changing the default apps just doesn't work consistently. This applies throughout the Gnome3 shell. You need to edit ~/.thunderbird/yourprofile/ and edit mimeTypes.rdf: Find and edit the stanzas referencing firefox. The should be for http, https, and ftp.

Re: Still some mysteie about FC15

2011-06-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:29 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:44:45 -0700, JZ wrote: On 06/13/2011 01:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-) Not quite. My thinking is that if it comes in with the rest of Networking, there's a reason, even if I don't know what it is. For all I know it might

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread John Aldrich
On Mon June 13 2011, Dave Ihnat wrote: We need to get more beginner docco out there--and get it to people. Maybe downloading a Linux distro results in an E-Mail to the user with a link to How Linux is Different from Windows--which is a video, and a text document, and maybe a downloadable

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 23:02 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:44:45 -0700, JZ wrote: On 06/13/2011 01:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: There you're pretty much off-topic. ;-) Not quite. My thinking is that if it comes in with the rest of Networking, there's a

Re: Current preupgrade?

2011-06-13 Thread BeartoothHOS
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:19:11 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: yum groupinstall xfce Done, with thanks. Stay tuned. -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/13/2011 02:02 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Now you only repeat [albeit with many words] what has been explained before. Do I need to repeat that package ppp is a dependency of NetworkManager and that by removing ppp you need to remove NetworkManager, too? No, I'm not repeating what's

ltsp fedora 14

2011-06-13 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonsoir, I need to install thin clients with fedora 14, It seems that ltsp disappeared from fedora Where can I find rpm of ltsp compatible with f14? Thank you. F.P. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris

Re: Printer still not working with LibreOffice, etc.

2011-06-13 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:29 +0200, Antonio M wrote: 2011/6/13 Lawrence E Graves lgra...@risingstarmbc.com: Fedora 15 is still flushing my printer. -- Lawrence E Graves lgra...@risingstarmbc.com a lot of informations from your post ;-) I doubt that anybody can help youat least

Re: Is yum dependency resolution upside down?

2011-06-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/13/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: That's a feature of dependency analysis: NetworkManager expects to be able to control ppp connections. In order to do that, it needs ppp. So if you remove ppp, NetworkManager thinks it is itself broken. But if you never intend to use

Re: Printer still not working with LibreOffice, etc.

2011-06-13 Thread Steven Stern
On 06/13/2011 04:31 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:29 +0200, Antonio M wrote: 2011/6/13 Lawrence E Graveslgra...@risingstarmbc.com: Fedora 15 is still flushing my printer. -- Lawrence E Graveslgra...@risingstarmbc.com a lot of informations from your post ;-)

Re: NetworkManager cannot connect automatically to hidden network. nm-applet shows *really* big icons

2011-06-13 Thread Joshua C.
2011/6/13 Andrew Parker andrewpar...@bigfoot.com: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: After upgrading to f15 the nm-applet cannot automatically connect to hidden wlan networks. It sees them and I can connect to them manually. The connect automatically

Re: Still some mysteries about FC15

2011-06-13 Thread Antonio Olivares
Aaron, --- On Mon, 6/13/11, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Still some mysteries about FC15 To: users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 1:22 PM TO FIX A MANGLED SUBJECT LINE 3. Someone needs to

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread suvayu ali
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com wrote: We need to get more beginner docco out there--and get it to people.  Maybe downloading a Linux distro results in an E-Mail to the user with a link to How Linux is Different from Windows--which is a video, and a text document,

Re: F12 -- F14 upgrade unsuccessful

2011-06-13 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
On 06/11/2011 02:43 PM, Andrew Jamison wrote: I have heard if you plan to upgrade in this manner it is best to upgrade from f12 to f13 then from 13 - 14 due to the rapid change in technologies from f12 to f14 but again this just what I have heard not sure if this is actually the case

Should Gnome 3 implement WPAD, or not?

2011-06-13 Thread Sam Varshavchik
I have WPAD configured on my LAN. Configuring Firefox to Auto-detect proxy settings correctly picks up my WPAD-designated proxy in Firefox. I can confirm that Firefox is loading my proxy settings, and is using them properly. However, as far as I can tell, libproxy does absolutely nothing.

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: Not all that old. I'm running kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 on the Debian 6 VM, which I haven't checked lately to see if there's an update. My current kernel for F12 is 2.6.32.26-175 64-bit. Not that much difference.

Re: Still some mysteries about FC15

2011-06-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/14/2011 01:52 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:FC15 today. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a wiki and I can make changes. Well maybe sometime. Please be more specific. 4. Why are things like gnotes not installed by default? You

Re: Still some mysteie about FC15

2011-06-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/14/2011 02:31 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 22:29 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: Well I was on vacation so I only installed FC15 today. And some strange tings occurred. 1, The wiki pages on systemd say that chkconfig --less does not work. That is not true. I know its a

Re: Adieu, Fedora

2011-06-13 Thread john wendel
On 06/13/2011 12:21 PM, Kam Leo wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Alan Coxa...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: The point is, you have to match the distro to the user, not the other way around. If the OP isn't happy with Fedora, I hope he finds a distro he likes better. The primary end

After logging out in gnome3 or xfce, I still see some of the user's processes

2011-06-13 Thread Joachim Backes
If a user runs a gnome3 or xfce session and then logs out, not all processes are killed. I see at least pulseaudio running. The most processes I saw after having logged out, were: 9371 ?00:00:00 menu-cached 12441 ?00:00:00 pulseaudio 12448 ?00:00:00 gconf-helper 12592 ?

weird behaviour of gnome-terminal in xfce or LXDE sessions

2011-06-13 Thread Joachim Backes
After choosing xfce or LXDE as my favorite desktop and logging in and then starting gnome-terminal, I see a weird effect: gnome-terminal is popped up in a normal size, but then the width shrinks automatically and slowly to about the half width. How to get rid of this behaviour? This happens even

Re: After logging out in gnome3 or xfce, I still see some of the user's processes

2011-06-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/14/2011 01:32 PM, Joachim Backes wrote: If a user runs a gnome3 or xfce session and then logs out, not all processes are killed. I see at least pulseaudio running. The most processes I saw after having logged out, were: 9371 ?00:00:00 menu-cached 12441 ?00:00:00

Re: weird behaviour of gnome-terminal in xfce or LXDE sessions

2011-06-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/14/2011 01:38 PM, Joachim Backes wrote: After choosing xfce or LXDE as my favorite desktop and logging in and then starting gnome-terminal, I see a weird effect: gnome-terminal is popped up in a normal size, but then the width shrinks automatically and slowly to about the half width. How

Re: After logging out in gnome3 or xfce, I still see some of the user's processes

2011-06-13 Thread Joachim Backes
On 06/14/2011 07:41 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/14/2011 01:32 PM, Joachim Backes wrote: If a user runs a gnome3 or xfce session and then logs out, not all processes are killed. I see at least pulseaudio running. The most processes I saw after having logged out, were: 9371 ?00:00:00

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