Re: Cron vs. Whenjobs vs. Goaljobs
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 00:52 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: I'm interested in a replacement for cron which would allow me to run various cron jobs on demand, and mark them as having been run, so they won't be run again from the schedule. Looking through the Fedora repository, I noticed whenjobs, which looks like it may do the job (no pun intended). The documentation for whenjobs says that it is obsolete and has been replaced by goaljobs. Has anyone tried out whenjobs or goaljobs. Any problems? Will they do what I need done? Is there some reason 'at' won't do what you want? I don't think at will do the job. In more detail: I have a cron job which backs up my desktop system every day. The job is actually invoked by anacron, which starts it about an hour after I boot up the system for the day. Backing up takes from half an hour to an hour and a half, depending. * Frequently, I start the system, check my email and leave for breakfast; on these days, I'd like backup to start when I leave; I would invoke it by a shell script or whatever. * Other days, I stay on the system for a while; on these days I'd like cron to start the job whenever its algorithms think best. * I don't want to leave starting the job completely to a shell script run from a terminal, because I'd often forget to run it. If I can replace cron with at and get the desired result, I'll be happy. Thanks - jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cron vs. Whenjobs vs. Goaljobs
On 12/18/2013 12:43 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: * If I can replace /cron/ with /at/ and get the desired result, I'll be happy. You may want to consider using batch instead, running the command as part of setting up your login session. This will start the backup when the load average drops below a certain specified value, presumably when you're away from your computer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Smooth Upgrade
Upgraded my Dell XPS 14z laptop from F19 to F20 last night using fedup. Everything went smoothly and within an hour I was happily using F20. Probably the smoothest upgrade I've seen between two versions of Fedora (and I've been using Fedora for ten years). Thanks to everyone who put time and effort into making the upgrade process work so well. Dave... -- Dave Cross :: d...@dave.org.uk http://dave.org.uk/ @davorg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
Hello, I'm going to setup F20 with a new SSD disk (256gb Samsung 840 PRO) and was wondering about best practices for Over Provisioning during partitioning. According to Samsung docs ( http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/us/html/about/whitepaper05.html ) *With the introduction of the 840 Series and the reality of increasingly complex NAND fabrication processes, however, Samsung has chosen to implement a minimum amount of OP in its mainstream drives (the 840 PRO will not feature mandatory OP).* Should I therefor make sure that I only fill up ~90% of the total disk with partitions during install? Then what about the -discard mount option to get the drive to trim deleted data, Is this something I have to manually add? Is it a best practice to add this or is it better to leave it alone or use in some other way? -- john -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Smooth Upgrade
Dave Cross ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 18/12/2013 10:21: Upgraded my Dell XPS 14z laptop from F19 to F20 last night using fedup. Everything went smoothly and within an hour I was happily using F20. Probably the smoothest upgrade I've seen between two versions of Fedora (and I've been using Fedora for ten years). Thanks to everyone who put time and effort into making the upgrade process work so well. Dave... same here on an old laptop and a brand new laptop Tnx everybody -- Antonio M Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora F20 (Heisenbug) on Acer 5720 http://lugsaronno.altervista.org http://www.campingmonterosa.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
gmvault fails on fedora 17
Greetings,
I'm testing gmvault (http://gmvault.org/) a gmail backup tool, on fedora 17
x86_64.
I have followed all the instructions (enable the app, change gmail
settings etc) in the install page:
http://gmvault.org/gmail_setup.html
However, the program aborts with the python error below, which to me
seems related to some python library on Fedora not being the right
version. Any feedback is appreciated!
TIA,
Marco
IMAP (abort) error message = command: FETCH = Gmvault ssl socket error: EOF.
Connection lost, reconnect.. traceback:Traceback (most recent call last):
File
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gmvault-1.8.1_beta-py2.7.egg/gmv/imap_utils.py,
line 117, in wrapper
return the_func(*args, **kwargs)
File
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gmvault-1.8.1_beta-py2.7.egg/gmv/imap_utils.py,
line 504, in fetch
return self.server.fetch(a_ids, a_attributes)
File /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/imapclient/imapclient.py, line 743,
in fetch
typ, data = self._imap._command_complete('FETCH', tag)
File /usr/lib64/python2.7/imaplib.py, line 899, in _command_complete
raise self.abort('command: %s = %s' % (name, val))
abort: command: FETCH = Gmvault ssl socket error: EOF. Connection lost,
reconnect.
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Re: gmvault fails on fedora 17
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 11:11:49 +0100 M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote: Greetings, I'm testing gmvault (http://gmvault.org/) a gmail backup tool, on fedora 17 x86_64. I have followed all the instructions (enable the app, change gmail settings etc) in the install page: http://gmvault.org/gmail_setup.html However, the program aborts with the python error below, which to me seems related to some python library on Fedora not being the right version. Any feedback is appreciated! The first thing they will say is you are using an unsupported Fedora release. http://gmvault.org/report_pb.html -- Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to (properly) shut down a fedora 20 virtual machine?
Quoting Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com: On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: [ 118.522477] PM: Syncing filesystems ... done. [ 118.986063] Freezing user space processes ... (elapsed 0.005 seconds) done. [ 119.045554] Freezing remaining freezable tasks ... (elapsed 0.001 seconds) done. [ 119.689884] PM: suspend of devices complete after 636.182 msecs [ 119.693836] PM: late suspend of devices complete after 0.193 msecs [ 119.702168] PM: noirq suspend of devices complete after 5.163 msecs [ 119.704754] ACPI: Preparing to enter system sleep state S3 [ 119.706818] PM: Saving platform NVS memory [ 119.708309] Disabling non-boot CPUs ... [ 119.711815] Unregister pv shared memory for cpu 1 [ 119.717559] Broke affinity for irq 1 [ 119.718393] Broke affinity for irq 9 [ 119.718393] Broke affinity for irq 14 [ 119.836051] smpboot: CPU 1 is now offline Yet another pmsuspend on GUI shut down request. That's supposed to be the behavior if the host is shutdown, but that's not what I'm doing. And virsh dompmwakeup doesn't work. # virsh dompmwakeup fedora20 Domain fedora20 successfully woken up Yet serial console remains unresponsive, until I disconnect and reconnect, and then I get: [ 253.170908] ACPI Error: No installed handler for fixed event - PM_Timer (0), disabling (20130517/evevent-286) [ 253.171840] ACPI Error: No installed handler for fixed event - SleepButton (3), disabling (20130517/evevent-286) [ 253.171840] ACPI Error: Could not disable RealTimeClock events (20130517/evxfevnt-266) [ 253.199507] ACPI Error: No installed handler for fixed event - PM_Timer (0), disabling (20130517/evevent-286) [ 253.200441] ACPI Error: No installed handler for fixed event - SleepButton (3), disabling (20130517/evevent-286) [ 253.200441] ACPI Error: Could not disable RealTimeClock events (20130517/evxfevnt-266) [ 253.223361] ACPI Error: No installed handler for fixed event - PM_Timer (0), disabling (20130517/evevent-286) [ 253.224296] ACPI Error: No installed handler for fixed event - SleepButton (3), disabling (20130517/evevent-286) [ 253.224296] ACPI Error: Could not disable RealTimeClock events (20130517/evxfevnt-266) So I'd say the VM is confused. I'm not sure where the problem is. just catching up here and have to admit i'm out of my comfort zone ... is it safe to say that all of this represents an actual bug/issue and i wasn't doing anything imbecilic earlier? as in, when i was using the VMM to allegedly Shut Down a fedora 20 VM that didn't actually, you know, *shut down*? should this be covered further on one of the virt lists? is someone going to file something on bugzilla that i can follow along with? thanks. rday -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F-20: no shutdown/reboot due to unstopped jobs
when I want to poweroff/reboot the machine I get this message: a stop job is running for User Manager for 42 and it takes a very long time to stop Sometimes I get a similar message for CUPS printing Any idea?? -- Antonio M Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora F20 (Heisenbug) on Acer 5720 http://lugsaronno.altervista.org http://www.campingmonterosa.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
rsync not backing up all files
I am getting ready for a new install to f20 (currently still lagging behind on f17). I attached a 2TB USB drive, stopped MOST tasks (firefox with 16 open windows, a few terminals some running SSH, and VNC), and ran the following: $ rsync -ah --stats ./ /run/media/rgm/6XW1484R/lx120e.htt/rgm/backup-131218 Number of files: 30174 Number of files transferred: 25251 Total file size: 34.93G bytes Total transferred file size: 34.93G bytes Literal data: 34.93G bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list size: 776.54K File list generation time: 0.121 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 34.94G Total bytes received: 499.44K sent 34.94G bytes received 499.44K bytes 23.53M bytes/sec total size is 34.93G speedup is 1.00 == So the question is why were ~5k files NOT copied? Properties on /home/rgm shows ~42GB disk used. I am going to do a clean install to a new 256GB SSD drive (hopeing to get more inflight operating time), so backing up everything to restore seems important. Unless there are that many hidden files MOST of which (need ./.ssh for example) are not needed. Plus I would like rsync to report how long it actually took to run. I can't find an option for that. thank you for your help. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On 12/18/2013 04:41 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: Hello, I'm going to setup F20 with a new SSD disk (256gb Samsung 840 PRO) and was wondering about best practices for Over Provisioning during partitioning. hmmm. I just ordered a Crucial M500 256GB SSD for my new install. I thought I would have it all to work with (currently using a 320GB HD, so that is a 64GB reduction already). Are you implying here that you need to not use all of the SSD drive so that it has some swap around? I chose the M500 over the 840 based on price and reviews. The M500 uses MLC NAND compared to the 840 using TLC NAND. According to Samsung docs (http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/us/html/about/whitepaper05.html) /With the introduction of the 840 Series and the reality of increasingly complex NAND fabrication processes, however, Samsung has chosen to implement a minimum amount of OP in its mainstream drives (the 840 PRO will not feature mandatory OP)./ Should I therefor make sure that I only fill up ~90% of the total disk with partitions during install? Then what about the -discard mount option to get the drive to trim deleted data, Is this something I have to manually add? Is it a best practice to add this or is it better to leave it alone or use in some other way? -- john -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com On 12/18/2013 04:41 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: Hello, I'm going to setup F20 with a new SSD disk (256gb Samsung 840 PRO) and was wondering about best practices for Over Provisioning during partitioning. hmmm. I just ordered a Crucial M500 256GB SSD for my new install. I thought I would have it all to work with (currently using a 320GB HD, so that is a 64GB reduction already). Are you implying here that you need to not use all of the SSD drive so that it has some swap around? I guess it's really depending on what SSD you are using. I'm not sure though, that's why I'm asking. I chose the M500 over the 840 based on price and reviews. The M500 uses MLC NAND compared to the 840 using TLC NAND. 840 *PRO* is using MLC NAND -- john -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On 12/18/2013 08:15 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: 2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com On 12/18/2013 04:41 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: Hello, I'm going to setup F20 with a new SSD disk (256gb Samsung 840 PRO) and was wondering about best practices for Over Provisioning during partitioning. hmmm. I just ordered a Crucial M500 256GB SSD for my new install. I thought I would have it all to work with (currently using a 320GB HD, so that is a 64GB reduction already). Are you implying here that you need to not use all of the SSD drive so that it has some swap around? I guess it's really depending on what SSD you are using. I'm not sure though, that's why I'm asking. I chose the M500 over the 840 based on price and reviews. The M500 uses MLC NAND compared to the 840 using TLC NAND. 840 *PRO* is using MLC NAND And the 840 PRO is even MORE expensive compared to the M500, :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On 12/18/2013 08:15 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: 2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com On 12/18/2013 04:41 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: Hello, I'm going to setup F20 with a new SSD disk (256gb Samsung 840 PRO) and was wondering about best practices for Over Provisioning during partitioning. hmmm. I just ordered a Crucial M500 256GB SSD for my new install. I thought I would have it all to work with (currently using a 320GB HD, so that is a 64GB reduction already). Are you implying here that you need to not use all of the SSD drive so that it has some swap around? I guess it's really depending on what SSD you are using. I'm not sure though, that's why I'm asking. I am doing some more reading on the wiki and found one article (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_One) that discourages using swap on the SSD becuase of slow write times. Is that still true? Also discourages using LVM. I have often wondered why I use LVM on my notebooks; I don't see the gain over just plain EXT4 partitions. I have read a number of articles and I can't find any solid advantage. I chose the M500 over the 840 based on price and reviews. The M500 uses MLC NAND compared to the 840 using TLC NAND. 840 *PRO* is using MLC NAND -- john -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f20 install - updates repo selection greyed out
This is for an i386 install (Asus Eee900) I have a local repo with the os and the updates. I added -url=http://repo.homebase.home.htt/fedora/20/os/i386/ but this did not impact the install start, but I was able to select this on the Installation summary page using Installation source. But on this dialog, the update is greyed out and tagged as 'Don't install the latest software'. How can I change this and supply my updates location? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f20 - customize installed software
I did not find where I can really customize the software install. I can select Gnome 3 and a few packages, but I cannot specifically remove and add packages. Or at least I did not see a customize install button. Perhaps it was off my screen? The ASUS is a little short, but Alt-mouse did not move the dialog around to see if there was anything near the bottom. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: rsync not backing up all files
On 12/18/2013 06:56 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: $ rsync -ah --stats ./ /run/media/rgm/6XW1484R/lx120e.htt/rgm/backup-131218 Number of files: 30174 Number of files transferred: 25251 Total file size: 34.93G bytes Total transferred file size: 34.93G bytes Literal data: 34.93G bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list size: 776.54K File list generation time: 0.121 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 34.94G Total bytes received: 499.44K sent 34.94G bytes received 499.44K bytes 23.53M bytes/sec total size is 34.93G speedup is 1.00 == So the question is why were ~5k files NOT copied? Properties on /home/rgm shows ~42GB disk used. Number of files includes a lot of things (directories, symlinks) that are not ordinary files. See if find . ! -type f | wc -l gives you a number that accounts for the difference. -- Bob Nichols NOSPAM is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On 12/18/2013 04:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Also discourages using LVM. I have often wondered why I use LVM on my notebooks; I don't see the gain over just plain EXT4 partitions. I have read a number of articles and I can't find any solid advantage. Well, I dont have a notebook, but a laptop (16GB RAM, Corei7-8 threads, 512 SSD Samsung 840 Pro) I use it for work, and I heavily virtualize on it. I have 1LV per VM. VMs are small (2GB RAM, 5GB disk space), but they are numerous (mostly 4-5 VMs turned on) When I clone a VM, the LV gets cloned too. I find it very usefull and clean on the drive. I'm sysadmin and I test massive deployment methods (CfEngine, custom packagin,...) -- +261 34 81 738 69 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: rsync not backing up all files
On 12/18/2013 10:05 AM, Robert Nichols wrote: On 12/18/2013 06:56 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: $ rsync -ah --stats ./ /run/media/rgm/6XW1484R/lx120e.htt/rgm/backup-131218 Number of files: 30174 Number of files transferred: 25251 Total file size: 34.93G bytes Total transferred file size: 34.93G bytes Literal data: 34.93G bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list size: 776.54K File list generation time: 0.121 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 34.94G Total bytes received: 499.44K sent 34.94G bytes received 499.44K bytes 23.53M bytes/sec total size is 34.93G speedup is 1.00 == So the question is why were ~5k files NOT copied? Properties on /home/rgm shows ~42GB disk used. Number of files includes a lot of things (directories, symlinks) that are not ordinary files. See if find . ! -type f | wc -l gives you a number that accounts for the difference. Reponds back with 4962 which is pretty close, given that I have done a few things since the backup (like restarting a few copies of Thunderbird). Thanks for clarifying this for me. I suspected directories, but did not think I had THAT many! Obviously it was more than just directories. I will save this little find in my notes of things to check. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
how to remove uninstalled duplicates
Hi, Following up on this post, it appears that the F20 duplicates have been downloaded but not installed. I tried removing the duplicates using https://franx47.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/removing-duplicate-rpm-packages/ but the error message is that the duplicates are downloaded but not installed. Does anyone know how to remove, or alternatively install, these duplicates? Many thanks, Ranjan On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:15:15 -0600 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.igno...@inbox.com wrote: Hi, I did an upgrade from F19 to F20 on three machines (2 laptops and 1 desktop). For one laptop and the desktop, things went smoothly -- no complaints: I used yum/fedora-upgrade. For the other, while upgrading, the X crashed and there were comments about journald, bluetooth etc (not sure if this has anything to do with anything or the upgrade) and so I am left with a bunch of F19 and F20 packages. I am able to run as if nothing has happened (though unclear whether I am running a F19 or a F20 system) but this is really a system which can not be updated. I tried doing the following, for want of knowing what to do: %sudo yum --releasever=20 distro-sync and I get the following: Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks, remove-with-leaves Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * fedora: kdeforge.unl.edu * rpmfusion-free-rawhide: mirrors.tummy.com * rpmfusion-nonfree: rpmfusion.famillecollet.com * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: rpmfusion.famillecollet.com * updates: mirror.unl.edu Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package SDL.x86_64 0:1.2.15-11.fc20 will be updated --- Package SDL.x86_64 0:1.2.15-12.fc19 will be updated --- Package SDL.x86_64 0:1.2.15-12.fc20 will be an update --- Package autocorr-en.noarch 1:4.1.3.2-10.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package autocorr-en.noarch 1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19 will be erased --- Package bluez.x86_64 0:5.12-1.fc20 will be obsoleting --- Package createrepo.noarch 0:0.9.9-22.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package createrepo.noarch 0:0.10-1.fc19 will be erased --- Package dbus.x86_64 1:1.6.12-1.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package dbus.x86_64 1:1.6.12-2.fc19 will be erased --- Package dbus-libs.x86_64 1:1.6.12-1.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package dbus-libs.x86_64 1:1.6.12-2.fc19 will be erased --- Package dbus-x11.x86_64 1:1.6.12-1.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package dbus-x11.x86_64 1:1.6.12-2.fc19 will be erased --- Package faad2-libs.x86_64 1:2.7-2.fc17 will be a downgrade --- Package faad2-libs.x86_64 1:2.7-4.fc19 will be erased --- Package fedora-upgrade.noarch 0:20.2-1.fc19 will be updated --- Package fedora-upgrade.noarch 0:20.2-1.fc20 will be an update --- Package firefox.x86_64 0:26.0-2.fc19 will be updated --- Package firefox.x86_64 0:26.0-3.fc20 will be an update --- Package gnutls.x86_64 0:3.1.16-1.fc20 will be updated --- Package gnutls.x86_64 0:3.1.17-2.fc19 will be updated --- Package gnutls.x86_64 0:3.1.17-3.fc20 will be an update --- Package google-crosextra-caladea-fonts.noarch 0:1.002-0.1.20130214.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package google-crosextra-caladea-fonts.noarch 0:1.002-0.2.20130214.fc19 will be erased --- Package libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts.noarch 1:4.1.3.2-10.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts.noarch 1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19 will be erased --- Package libreoffice-ure.x86_64 1:4.1.3.2-10.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package libreoffice-ure.x86_64 1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19 will be erased --- Package libreport-filesystem.x86_64 0:2.1.9-1.fc20 will be updated --- Package libreport-filesystem.x86_64 0:2.1.10-1.fc19 will be updated --- Package libreport-filesystem.x86_64 0:2.1.10-1.fc20 will be an update --- Package mesa-libGLU.x86_64 0:9.0.0-3.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package mesa-libGLU.x86_64 0:9.0.0-4.fc19 will be erased --- Package obex-data-server.x86_64 1:0.4.6-5.fc19 will be obsoleted --- Package opus.x86_64 0:1.0.3-2.fc20 will be updated --- Package opus.x86_64 0:1.1-1.fc19 will be updated --- Package opus.x86_64 0:1.1-1.fc20 will be an update --- Package python-urlgrabber.noarch 0:3.9.1-32.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package python-urlgrabber.noarch 0:3.10-0.fc19 will be erased --- Package rpmconf.noarch 0:0.3.4-1.fc19 will be updated --- Package rpmconf.noarch 0:0.3.5-1.fc20 will be an update -- Processing Dependency: rpmconf-base for package: rpmconf-0.3.5-1.fc20.noarch --- Package satyr.x86_64 0:0.11-1.fc20 will be updated --- Package satyr.x86_64 0:0.12-1.fc19 will be updated --- Package satyr.x86_64 0:0.12-1.fc20 will be an update --- Package ssmtp.x86_64 0:2.64-9.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package ssmtp.x86_64 0:2.64-10.fc19 will be erased --- Package usb_modeswitch-data.noarch 0:20130807-1.fc20 will be a downgrade --- Package usb_modeswitch-data.noarch 0:20131113-1.fc19 will be erased --- Package vim-common.x86_64 2:7.4.027-2.fc19 will be updated --- Package vim-common.x86_64 2:7.4.027-2.fc20 will be an update ---
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On 12/18/2013 10:15 AM, Mihamina RKTMB wrote: On 12/18/2013 04:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Also discourages using LVM. I have often wondered why I use LVM on my notebooks; I don't see the gain over just plain EXT4 partitions. I have read a number of articles and I can't find any solid advantage. Well, I dont have a notebook, but a laptop (16GB RAM, Corei7-8 threads, 512 SSD Samsung 840 Pro) I use it for work, and I heavily virtualize on it. I have 1LV per VM. VMs are small (2GB RAM, 5GB disk space), but they are numerous (mostly 4-5 VMs turned on) When I clone a VM, the LV gets cloned too. I find it very usefull and clean on the drive. OK. Excellent justification for LVM. So far I have not done VMs, but I have been thinking heavily about it. But not HOW to do it. Seems like I probably should if I want to set up my drive now for VMs soon. And well, my main system is a laptop, though only 12. Just the right size to use in flight. I'm sysadmin and I test massive deployment methods (CfEngine, custom packagin,...) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Updating ERRORS
ERRORS in UPdating on Fedora 18 . I have quite a number of updates but I keep getting these errors and preventing updates. What do these ERRORS mean ? Dependency Resolution Errors: Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcv.so.2.0Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_paranoia.so.0Package: libraptor2-2.0.7-3.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libyajl.so.1Package: ffmpeg-libs_0.6-0.6.6-3.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libopenjpeg.so.2Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libopenjpeg.so.2Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_cdda.so.0Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_cdda.so.0(CDIO_CDDA_0)Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcxcore.so.2.0Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_paranoia.so.0(CDIO_PARANOIA_0) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote: On 12/18/2013 10:15 AM, Mihamina RKTMB wrote: On 12/18/2013 04:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Also discourages using LVM. I have often wondered why I use LVM on my notebooks; I don't see the gain over just plain EXT4 partitions. I have read a number of articles and I can't find any solid advantage. Well, I dont have a notebook, but a laptop (16GB RAM, Corei7-8 threads, 512 SSD Samsung 840 Pro) I use it for work, and I heavily virtualize on it. I have 1LV per VM. VMs are small (2GB RAM, 5GB disk space), but they are numerous (mostly 4-5 VMs turned on) When I clone a VM, the LV gets cloned too. I find it very usefull and clean on the drive. OK. Excellent justification for LVM. So far I have not done VMs, but I have been thinking heavily about it. But not HOW to do it. Seems like I probably should if I want to set up my drive now for VMs soon. And well, my main system is a laptop, though only 12. Just the right size to use in flight. If you're a typical desktop user (unlike the situation above) and you're not going to reserve any space on your drive, I don't think there's a compelling reason to use LVM. I do anyway since that's what anaconda defaults to... To explain what I mean... Unless you're going to create multiple LV (perhaps one for /, one for /var, one for /home) and reserve some space on your disk in case you guessed wrong so you can add more space to any of those, then what's the point? This makes even less sense for a laptop, but lets look at a desktop situation. Sure you could add a second disk, add it to your volume group, add space to your LV, and resize your filesystem to use it. One problem though, you've created another point of failure for your FS (two disks) without getting anything in exchange. It's not striped (you can do LV striping, but that's another discussion altogether), it's not mirrored, there's no parity. So why do it? In a server/enterprise setting I think it makes a lot more sense where you're likely to need to use LVM to span across multiple raid arrays, SANs, etc. Just my $.02.. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updating ERRORS
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:44:20 -0500, Jim wrote: ERRORS in UPdating on Fedora 18 . I have quite a number of updates but I keep getting these errors and preventing updates. What do these ERRORS mean ? You've added an incompatible package repository called linuxtech-release, which offers rpms for EL6 (= RHEL 6 and compatibles) and not for Fedora 18. Notice the .el6 dist tag in the package names. Dependency Resolution Errors: Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcv.so.2.0Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_paranoia.so.0Package: libraptor2-2.0.7-3.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libyajl.so.1Package: ffmpeg-libs_0.6-0.6.6-3.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libopenjpeg.so.2Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libopenjpeg.so.2Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_cdda.so.0Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_cdda.so.0(CDIO_CDDA_0)Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcxcore.so.2.0Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_paranoia.so.0(CDIO_PARANOIA_0) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Another FedUp question
After running fedup --device --network 20 I got WARNING: problems were encountered during transaction test: broken dependencies libreoffice-pdfimport-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requires poppler-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64 libreoffice-core-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requires boost-date-time-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64 Continue with the upgrade at your own risk. It looks like those dependencies are already met [sdstern@sds-desk-2 ~]$ rpm -qa |grep boost boost-thread-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64 ibus-typing-booster-1.2.7-1.fc19.noarch boost-date-time-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64 boost-system-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64 [sdstern@sds-desk-2 ~]$ rpm -qa |grep poppler poppler-glib-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64 poppler-utils-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64 poppler-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64 pypoppler-0.12.1-23.fc19.x86_64 poppler-data-0.4.6-4.fc19.noarch -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Another FedUp question
Hi On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: After running fedup --device --network 20 I got WARNING: problems were encountered during transaction test: broken dependencies libreoffice-pdfimport-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requires poppler-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64 libreoffice-core-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requires boost-date-time-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64 Continue with the upgrade at your own risk. It looks like those dependencies are already met It is saying that Fedora 20 doesn't have some of the dependencies but should be solvable by running fedup --device --network 20 --enablerepo=updates-testing -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Another FedUp question
On 12/18/2013 10:26 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com mailto:subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: After running fedup --device --network 20 I got WARNING: problems were encountered during transaction test: broken dependencies libreoffice-pdfimport-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requires poppler-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64 libreoffice-core-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requires boost-date-time-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64 Continue with the upgrade at your own risk. It looks like those dependencies are already met It is saying that Fedora 20 doesn't have some of the dependencies but should be solvable by running fedup --device --network 20 --enablerepo=updates-testing That found 121 packages to update, but it didn't solve the original problem: WARNING: problems were encountered during transaction test: broken dependencies libreoffice-pdfimport-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requires poppler-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64 libreoffice-core-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requires boost-date-time-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64 Continue with the upgrade at your own risk. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Another FedUp question
From: Steven SternSent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 08:24To: community support for Fedora usersReply To: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Another FedUp questionAfter running fedup --device --network 20I gotWARNING: problems were encountered during transaction test: broken dependencieslibreoffice-pdfimport-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requirespoppler-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64libreoffice-core-1:4.1.3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 requiresboost-date-time-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64Continue with the upgrade at your own risk.It looks like those dependencies are already met[sdstern@sds-desk-2 ~]$ rpm -qa |grep boostboost-thread-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64ibus-typing-booster-1.2.7-1.fc19.noarchboost-date-time-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64boost-system-1.53.0-14.fc19.x86_64[sdstern@sds-desk-2 ~]$ rpm -qa |grep popplerpoppler-glib-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64poppler-utils-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64poppler-0.22.1-5.fc19.x86_64pypoppler-0.12.1-23.fc19.x86_64poppler-data-0.4.6-4.fc19.noarch-- I'm likely to be wrong, but I got something that looked like this and I was assured not to worry about it.My 2 cents. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
resume from suspend broken by f19-f20
Just updated f19-f20. Now resume from suspend is broken. First tried with nvidia blob. On resume just got blank screen. Could switch vt, but couldn't wake up display. Then removed nvidia back to nouveau. This time, on resume I just see the fedora boot splash. Cannot get any response to keys, except ctrl-alt-bs (could switch vt). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: rsync not backing up all files
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote: Plus I would like rsync to report how long it actually took to run. I can't find an option for that. man time poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start
Hey guys. - subject says it all!! For a basic centos/fedora install. Need to have pointers/docs/suggestions/solid steps to actually harden/secure a system. I've looked at a bunch of different articles/sites, so I'm also turning here. Also, are there any good (i know) security lists/resources (people) I could talk to about remotely hiring for this process.. thanks 'ppreciate it!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SOLVED: Re: Updating ERRORS
On 12/18/2013 11:00 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:44:20 -0500, Jim wrote: ERRORS in UPdating on Fedora 18 . I have quite a number of updates but I keep getting these errors and preventing updates. What do these ERRORS mean ? You've added an incompatible package repository called linuxtech-release, which offers rpms for EL6 (= RHEL 6 and compatibles) and not for Fedora 18. Notice the .el6 dist tag in the package names. Dependency Resolution Errors: Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcv.so.2.0Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_paranoia.so.0Package: libraptor2-2.0.7-3.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libyajl.so.1Package: ffmpeg-libs_0.6-0.6.6-3.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libopenjpeg.so.2Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libopenjpeg.so.2Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_cdda.so.0Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_cdda.so.0(CDIO_CDDA_0)Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcxcore.so.2.0Package: ffmpeg-libs_1.1-1.1.5-2.el6.i686 (linuxtech-release) Requires: libcdio_paranoia.so.0(CDIO_PARANOIA_0) Thanks Michael for your responds, that fixed the problem. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start
As it in not common to be hacked on linux, and linux is really strong after install, perhaps you could specify a little under what conditions you were hacked. Was a physical intrusion? communicational? software? a web page? an open service or port? an injection? stolen passwd? Normally, hacking a linux box is the result of an inconscious administrator, sorry. If the information you have is sensitive, -has some cost- you need to invest proportionally to it on security -hardening software, hardware, physical access.. etc.- Most persons on this list know enough to protect information to a certain level, but if you want to protect very expensive information, you should invest -as I said, proportionally- on a specialist. If not, google is enough. Hope you find the solution... R bruce badoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys. - subject says it all!! For a basic centos/fedora install. Need to have pointers/docs/suggestions/solid steps to actually harden/secure a system. I've looked at a bunch of different articles/sites, so I'm also turning here. Also, are there any good (i know) security lists/resources (people) I could talk to about remotely hiring for this process.. thanks 'ppreciate it!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
old FC haceked system
Hi. Got an old FC system that was hacked. - I know - my own fault (perhaps) should have updated, etc,,, The system is vital, need to extract all/as much of the files from the 700G drive as possible. I'm going to blow away the corrupt system, replacing the system with centos 6.5. On the corrupted machine, when it was setup, the partitions where such that most of the data was written to the /apps partition - so hopefully most of what I really need will be there. However, I'm pretty sure that a chunk of other useful/critical stuff was placed on other dirs within the drive. I'd like comments/suggestions on my approach to resolve the issue: -Setup new machine with a couple of drive bays -take the corrupted drive, insert it in new machine's drive bay -insert clean 750G drive in the other drive bay -from the new machine, do a complete find on the corrupted drive to get a complete list of files/dirs/tree -go down the list, identifying the initial dirs/files that are important/data, that aren't part of the OS --copy these dirs/files to a tmp area on the clean drive, maintaining the dir structure -repeat this process untill I pretty much get the data files (txt/py/pl/php/etc..) --go through a complete process, trying to identify all the apps/functions that were added to the corrupt system. -identify these apps, as well as the rpms required to generate the functions -create a script to auto install these apps/functions from the associated centos/associated centos repos -handle all mysql stuff by doing a mysqldump from the good machine, reading the mysql data from the corrupted drive, and then copying reinserting the mysql data into the new mysql on the clean/tmp machine -identify any dev languages/environments (py/gearman/perl/php/etc..) and the required rpms to install or run to recreate the env on the clean/tmp machine -identify all of the services running on the corrupt system/drive, and clean/install the rpms/services on the clean/tmp machine/drive -change all ssh keys for the new clean/tmp drive/machine.. -change all passwds on the new machine -for any web sites, change all passwds -the goal is to recreate the file system/dirs/files from the corrupt machine/drive on the new clean/tmp machine as much as possible -however, once I've gone through all of the above, I still need to know how to lock down services, how to harden the overall system.. so, the more comments that are on point the better. thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f20 - gedit
Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 f19, these may be 'old' issues So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
HI What version of gedit are you using? Marvin On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.comwrote: Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 f19, these may be 'old' issues So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start
On 12/18/2013 09:05 AM, bruce issued this missive: Hey guys. - subject says it all!! For a basic centos/fedora install. Need to have pointers/docs/suggestions/solid steps to actually harden/secure a system. I've looked at a bunch of different articles/sites, so I'm also turning here. Also, are there any good (i know) security lists/resources (people) I could talk to about remotely hiring for this process.. Depends on how hardened you want the machines. There are a raft of options, some of the more simple: 1. Use a VPN to get at the machines from the outside world. 1a. As part of 1. above, set up the firewalls (both external and iptables) to not allow ANY externally initiated connections except for those from the VPN--and even then restrict those as much as possible (e.g. only allow ssh access). 2. Disable any service you do not need. 3. Make sure you enforce complex passwords and require them to be rotated at least every 90 days. 4. Disable ssh root logins and enforce sudo options. 5. Use something like tripwire on a freshly installed machine to watch for non-standard software being installed. 6. Use tools like rkhunter and clamscan to look for virii. 7. Enable and use SELinux and its tools or use a hardened kernel such as grsec. There are tons more of those sorts of things. A good set of guidelines are the PCI compliance standards. Those are the standards a company must meet (and must be audited annually by an external agency) to be permitted to process credit card transactions online. One of our subsidiaries is fully PCI-compliant as they do process credit card data. The rest of the company is PCI-compliant as far as network access and system updating is concerned. Our main business precludes being fully compliant but we implement as many of those standards as we can. As the old saying goes: I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get me! -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Never try to outstubborn a cat. - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: old FC haceked system
See comments inline. On 12/18/2013 12:49 PM, bruce wrote: Hi. Got an old FC system that was hacked. - I know - my own fault (perhaps) should have updated, etc,,, How do you know you were hacked? The system is vital, need to extract all/as much of the files from the 700G drive as possible. I'm going to blow away the corrupt system, replacing the system with centos 6.5. No backups? I'd be /very/ careful pulling data off the old system. Depending on how recent the intrusion is, I'd almost go back to the most recent /safe/ backup and start from there. On the corrupted machine, when it was setup, the partitions where such that most of the data was written to the /apps partition - so hopefully most of what I really need will be there. However, I'm pretty sure that a chunk of other useful/critical stuff was placed on other dirs within the drive. I'd like comments/suggestions on my approach to resolve the issue: -Setup new machine with a couple of drive bays What I would do is setup the 'new' machine to boot from a flash drive (like a live CD of CentOS) in order to recover the data. This way you can at least be certain the installed OS on the new machine will never see or use the hacked drive. (See comment above about backups.) -take the corrupted drive, insert it in new machine's drive bay -insert clean 750G drive in the other drive bay -from the new machine, do a complete find on the corrupted drive to get a complete list of files/dirs/tree I don't know about anyone else, but I know what and where my critical data resides. (Not a helpful comment as much as an FYI for the future.) -go down the list, identifying the initial dirs/files that are important/data, that aren't part of the OS --copy these dirs/files to a tmp area on the clean drive, maintaining the dir structure -repeat this process untill I pretty much get the data files (txt/py/pl/php/etc..) --go through a complete process, trying to identify all the apps/functions that were added to the corrupt system. -identify these apps, as well as the rpms required to generate the functions -create a script to auto install these apps/functions from the associated centos/associated centos repos -handle all mysql stuff by doing a mysqldump from the good machine, IIRC, you'll need to attach those DBS to a mysql instance to do a dump, which means potentially exposing your new system. If that's the case, LiveCDs are the way to go. Be careful here though, MySQL versions should be the same or close to it or they won't play nice. reading the mysql data from the corrupted drive, and then copying reinserting the mysql data into the new mysql on the clean/tmp machine -identify any dev languages/environments (py/gearman/perl/php/etc..) and the required rpms to install or run to recreate the env on the clean/tmp machine -identify all of the services running on the corrupt system/drive, and clean/install the rpms/services on the clean/tmp machine/drive -change all ssh keys for the new clean/tmp drive/machine.. -change all passwds on the new machine -for any web sites, change all passwds You don't know what services you run on the hacked system? If you don't, I'd probably start with the bare minimum of what I recalled I ran and go from there. -the goal is to recreate the file system/dirs/files from the corrupt machine/drive on the new clean/tmp machine as much as possible -however, once I've gone through all of the above, I still need to know how to lock down services, how to harden the overall system.. I'll be glad to help offlist if you like. I've rebuilt my share of hacked systems, so I might be able to offer some ideas. -- Mark Haney Network Administrator/IT Support Practichem W:919-714-8428 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 12:55 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote: HI What version of gedit are you using? Wow! They also hid the about tab! and no /root/install.log and /var/log/yum.log only has what has occured since install! So how DO I find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running I think the dumbing down has gone a bit too far. Even for me. Marvin On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote: Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 f19, these may be 'old' issues So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 01:20 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Wow! They also hid the about tab! and no /root/install.log and /var/log/yum.log only has what has occured since install! So how DO I find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running I think the dumbing down has gone a bit too far. Even for me. Well, my F19 system says: # rpm -q gedit gedit-3.8.3-1.fc19.x86_64 Would expect F20 to give you a similar answer... -- Tim Evans | 5 Chestnut Court Linux/UNIX Consulting | Owings Mills, MD 21117 http://www.tkevans.com/ | 443-394-3864 tkev...@tkevans.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to (properly) shut down a fedora 20 virtual machine?
On Dec 18, 2013, at 4:25 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: just catching up here and have to admit i'm out of my comfort zone ... is it safe to say that all of this represents an actual bug/issue and i wasn't doing anything imbecilic earlier? Correct. as in, when i was using the VMM to allegedly Shut Down a fedora 20 VM that didn't actually, you know, *shut down*? Correct. should this be covered further on one of the virt lists? I have no preference. is someone going to file something on bugzilla that i can follow along with? thanks. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1044145 There's a work around suggested there, I tried it, it still doesn't work. So it might take some time to get sorted out. In the meantime, I'm using 'poweroff' within the VM itself, either command line or the DE's GUI option to do this, rather than trying to shut it down from outside the VM. Gnome Boxes is another VM option you might look at. It appears to (externally execute) shutdown of VMs correctly. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: On 12/18/2013 04:41 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: Hello, I'm going to setup F20 with a new SSD disk (256gb Samsung 840 PRO) and was wondering about best practices for Over Provisioning during partitioning. hmmm. I just ordered a Crucial M500 256GB SSD for my new install. I thought I would have it all to work with (currently using a 320GB HD, so that is a 64GB reduction already). Are you implying here that you need to not use all of the SSD drive so that it has some swap around? I chose the M500 over the 840 based on price and reviews. The M500 uses MLC NAND compared to the 840 using TLC NAND. FYI, be aware there appears to be a queued TRIM bug with the M500 where it may be causing silent data corruption. I wouldn't use discard on this, or any, SSD, in production until it's been well tested. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1024002 Until the industry gets its act together on TRIM, I think we're probably better off executing fstrim once a week with a cron job at a time the computer is likely to be idle. Chris Murphy-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:49 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Well here comes the questions on 'where is it now'. Of course since I skipped f18 f19, these may be 'old' issues So with gedit, where 'preferences'? I need to turn off line wrap so I can use it to edit various config files. Meanwhile, back to vi. It uses appmenu in gnome-shell https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 01:25 PM, Tim Evans wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:20 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Wow! They also hid the about tab! and no /root/install.log and /var/log/yum.log only has what has occured since install! So how DO I find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running I think the dumbing down has gone a bit too far. Even for me. Well, my F19 system says: # rpm -q gedit I tend to forget about rpm itself. Actually, when I DID use it, yum would get upset, so I fell into doing yum installlocal. gedit-3.8.3-1.fc19.x86_64 gedit-3.10.2-1.f20.i686 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: old FC haceked system
Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply. 'ppreciate it. Basically, I'll be able to keep the corrupted system up/running, offline for a bit, so I'll be able to (more or less) really be able to see/recall what apps/functions are running, or should be running. And I'll be keeping a copy of the drive in a drawer just in case I get that oh Christ moment months from now!!) A critical part of this whole process however, is that we're going to be creating a system of connected boxes/VMs that need to be tightly secured. IE, the systems will form a distributed network of boxes, each connecting back to the mother/master system via either a webservice process, or via ssh, so I'm going to be looking for a good approach to really securing the overall architecture. You up for a more indepth conversation on this??! Thanks ps. are you in the us/canada? -bruce On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Mark Haney mha...@practichem.com wrote: See comments inline. On 12/18/2013 12:49 PM, bruce wrote: Hi. Got an old FC system that was hacked. - I know - my own fault (perhaps) should have updated, etc,,, How do you know you were hacked? The system is vital, need to extract all/as much of the files from the 700G drive as possible. I'm going to blow away the corrupt system, replacing the system with centos 6.5. No backups? I'd be /very/ careful pulling data off the old system. Depending on how recent the intrusion is, I'd almost go back to the most recent /safe/ backup and start from there. On the corrupted machine, when it was setup, the partitions where such that most of the data was written to the /apps partition - so hopefully most of what I really need will be there. However, I'm pretty sure that a chunk of other useful/critical stuff was placed on other dirs within the drive. I'd like comments/suggestions on my approach to resolve the issue: -Setup new machine with a couple of drive bays What I would do is setup the 'new' machine to boot from a flash drive (like a live CD of CentOS) in order to recover the data. This way you can at least be certain the installed OS on the new machine will never see or use the hacked drive. (See comment above about backups.) -take the corrupted drive, insert it in new machine's drive bay -insert clean 750G drive in the other drive bay -from the new machine, do a complete find on the corrupted drive to get a complete list of files/dirs/tree I don't know about anyone else, but I know what and where my critical data resides. (Not a helpful comment as much as an FYI for the future.) -go down the list, identifying the initial dirs/files that are important/data, that aren't part of the OS --copy these dirs/files to a tmp area on the clean drive, maintaining the dir structure -repeat this process untill I pretty much get the data files (txt/py/pl/php/etc..) --go through a complete process, trying to identify all the apps/functions that were added to the corrupt system. -identify these apps, as well as the rpms required to generate the functions -create a script to auto install these apps/functions from the associated centos/associated centos repos -handle all mysql stuff by doing a mysqldump from the good machine, IIRC, you'll need to attach those DBS to a mysql instance to do a dump, which means potentially exposing your new system. If that's the case, LiveCDs are the way to go. Be careful here though, MySQL versions should be the same or close to it or they won't play nice. reading the mysql data from the corrupted drive, and then copying reinserting the mysql data into the new mysql on the clean/tmp machine -identify any dev languages/environments (py/gearman/perl/php/etc..) and the required rpms to install or run to recreate the env on the clean/tmp machine -identify all of the services running on the corrupt system/drive, and clean/install the rpms/services on the clean/tmp machine/drive -change all ssh keys for the new clean/tmp drive/machine.. -change all passwds on the new machine -for any web sites, change all passwds You don't know what services you run on the hacked system? If you don't, I'd probably start with the bare minimum of what I recalled I ran and go from there. -the goal is to recreate the file system/dirs/files from the corrupt machine/drive on the new clean/tmp machine as much as possible -however, once I've gone through all of the above, I still need to know how to lock down services, how to harden the overall system.. I'll be glad to help offlist if you like. I've rebuilt my share of hacked systems, so I might be able to offer some ideas. -- Mark Haney Network Administrator/IT Support Practichem W:919-714-8428 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines:
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Mihamina RKTMB miham...@rktmb.org wrote: On 12/18/2013 04:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Also discourages using LVM. I have often wondered why I use LVM on my notebooks; I don't see the gain over just plain EXT4 partitions. I have read a number of articles and I can't find any solid advantage. Well, I dont have a notebook, but a laptop (16GB RAM, Corei7-8 threads, 512 SSD Samsung 840 Pro) I use it for work, and I heavily virtualize on it. I have 1LV per VM. VMs are small (2GB RAM, 5GB disk space), but they are numerous (mostly 4-5 VMs turned on) When I clone a VM, the LV gets cloned too. I find it very usefull and clean on the drive. Two other options exist, but first a disclosure being that there are always a bunch of ways to do one thing on linux. And a lot of times it's about comfort level and familiarity rather than what's best. The critique I'd apply to using LV's as backing for VM's is that they allocate all of that space - it's taking out of the VG. So you have to plan in advance accordingly to avoid over committing space that is now no longer in the VG. You can resize but… now that's another series of steps, and you may be resizing again in the future. So while I used to use LVs for this task, I'm now using qcow2 files. I create one, install once, and then snapshot the qcow2 five times (for five VMs) and have the VMs use the snapshots. The backing qcow2 isn't ever modified from that point forward, only the snapshots are. Since they're sparse, they only take up the space that's actually being used. They're easy to backup, etc. Another option, that's quite new and probably still needs testing, is LVM Thin Provisioning. There's an extra layer between the VG and LV called the thin pool. LV's are created with a virtual size, meaning they simply get tagged as being that size (think of it as a maximum) but extents aren't taken from the thin pool until needed by any LV using that pool. So instead of creating 5GB LVs, you can create 50G LVs just in case it's needed. If one LV needs 1GB, then only 1GB of extents are used in the pool the rest are available to other LVs. Also, it's possible to get efficient snapshotting unlike conventional LVM snapshots. So you can create an LV, install a system, snapshot it to create other LVs and use them as your VM backing. No preallocation for snapshot space required, it draws extents from the pool as each VM's LV needs to grow with changes. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On 12/18/2013 01:32 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote: On 12/18/2013 04:41 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: Hello, I'm going to setup F20 with a new SSD disk (256gb Samsung 840 PRO) and was wondering about best practices for Over Provisioning during partitioning. hmmm. I just ordered a Crucial M500 256GB SSD for my new install. I thought I would have it all to work with (currently using a 320GB HD, so that is a 64GB reduction already). Are you implying here that you need to not use all of the SSD drive so that it has some swap around? I chose the M500 over the 840 based on price and reviews. The M500 uses MLC NAND compared to the 840 using TLC NAND. FYI, be aware there appears to be a queued TRIM bug with the M500 where it may be causing silent data corruption. I wouldn't use discard on this, or any, SSD, in production until it's been well tested. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1024002 Seems like a workaround was posted yesterday? So since I am still waiting for the drive to show up on my porch... Until the industry gets its act together on TRIM, I think we're probably better off executing fstrim once a week with a cron job at a time the computer is likely to be idle. And what is TRIM and fstrim? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f20 - hostname
During install I did not find a dialog to set my host name (FQDN). Somehow it picked up what I like for host, but the domain part it is picking up from dhcp of the subnet I was on during the install. I want to force the whole fqdn regardless of where I am. I did go through the network dialogs, expecting it to be there, but I did not see it. That is a dialog to set the hostname. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - hostname
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: During install I did not find a dialog to set my host name (FQDN). Somehow it picked up what I like for host, but the domain part it is picking up from dhcp of the subnet I was on during the install. I want to force the whole fqdn regardless of where I am. I think hostnamectl is the command to use (not just # hostname). This documentation for Fedora 18 should still apply: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s1_Using_Hostnamectl.html And you should also look at: $ man hostname It looks like this -- http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s2_Set_All_the_Hostnames.html -- is what you should do: # hostnamectl set-hostname name (In the example above, name is your preferred hostname) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote: This makes even less sense for a laptop, but lets look at a desktop situation. Sure you could add a second disk, add it to your volume group, add space to your LV, and resize your filesystem to use it. One problem though, you've created another point of failure for your FS (two disks) without getting anything in exchange. Yes, I agree it's a problem short of a way to mitigate the (inevitable) failure of one of the disks and hence any file system that uses all or part of a failed PV. It's not striped (you can do LV striping, but that's another discussion altogether), it's not mirrored, there's no parity. So why do it? pvmove is a pretty cool way to move every LV, online, to a new PV. But I agree LVM is overly complicated for such hypothetical benefits. Benefits that assume more knowledge on the part of the typical user than is true. It's much simpler to just backup, and restore to a new bigger disk, than to learn various LVM commands. For what it's worth, LVM2 supports its own raid0, 1, 5 and 6. Those raid levels are LV attributes. So instead of configuring different raid levels by using disk partitions, and the ensuing near impossibility (or madness) of resizing them should it be needed, this can be done on a per LV basis from a single VG. It's simpler in that there's one less layer to deal with, however it means learning totally new vernacular and monitoring methods which itself isn't exactly simple. In a server/enterprise setting I think it makes a lot more sense where you're likely to need to use LVM to span across multiple raid arrays, SANs, etc. I think LVM is pretty bad ass. During F18 pre-release, the installer team had moved to Standard Partition scheme (all ext4) by default. But for the very reasons you mention, I was opposed to LVM by default redux, but the LVM camp won that argument somehow. Another place it makes some sense is full disk encryption (i.e. not just home), where the PV/VG is encrypted, and then the LVs are drawn from that. That's simpler than separately encrypting partitions for /home and /. Assuming you want /home separate. Honestly a lot of these things get easier with Btrfs due to yet another loss of a separate layer. It's as simple to use as a plain file system without thinking of esoteric features if you don't want, but they're there should you need them: compression, much safer fs resize shrink or grow, partitioning without having to specify sizes, functional equivalent to pvmove, and even the ability to migrate specific partitions like /home to another disk, multiple device support, and of course snapshots. Plus it's also friendlier to SSD than other options. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 10:20 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: So how DO I find out what versin of gedit f20 base install is running yum list installed gedit HTH HAND. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F-20: no shutdown/reboot due to unstopped jobs
On Dec 18, 2013, at 5:11 AM, antonio montagnani antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: when I want to poweroff/reboot the machine I get this message: a stop job is running for User Manager for 42 and it takes a very long time to stop Sometimes I get a similar message for CUPS printing Any idea?? Might be a variant of this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023820 What you can do as a work around is: sync reboot -f That's an abrupt forced reboot but syncs and should unmount file systems cleanly. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F-20: no shutdown/reboot due to unstopped jobs
Chris Murphy ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 18/12/2013 20:48: On Dec 18, 2013, at 5:11 AM, antonio montagnani antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: when I want to poweroff/reboot the machine I get this message: a stop job is running for User Manager for 42 and it takes a very long time to stop Sometimes I get a similar message for CUPS printing Any idea?? Might be a variant of this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023820 What you can do as a work around is: sync reboot -f That's an abrupt forced reboot but syncs and should unmount file systems cleanly. Chris Murphy https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1044602 Please have a look: it seems different, but I am not a technician :-) Tnx anyway -- Antonio M Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora F20 (Heisenbug) on Acer 5720 http://lugsaronno.altervista.org http://www.campingmonterosa.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: old FC haceked system
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, bruce wrote: Hi. Got an old FC system that was hacked. - I know - my own fault (perhaps) should have updated, etc,,, [snip] I can't tell you how to restore because it's impossible to know what the intrusion was, what was done, and how you know what was or was not modified. All you are really telling me is that you have some corrupt files -- which, by the way, may not be the result of an intrusion. What is and is not now corrupt in the sense of being a trojan or something like that isn't something most folk can help you with unless there's some more information. That being said, here's my idiot's guide to keeping a relatively clean box: 1) Backup on a regular basis. There are lots of philosophies about backing up, whether your should always do full backups, incremental backups, etc. It's both religious and a function of how much data you have. It may not be reasonable for Google to do full nightly backups, for instance, but it's certainly reasonable for *me* to do full backups periodically. So, what I do is do a nightly incremental backup to a machine in a second location. In addition, I do a full backup every week and keep my last few backups as well as a couple of old ones. Disks are cheap nowadays. Remember that if you are really the victim of an intrusion, unless you *know* what you are doing the chances are the intrusion happened well before the bad stuff started happening. Thus, if you have to retrieve stuff, you may want to go back until before you are pretty confident you had been hit. 2) Do a periodic clean install. One of the really nice things about Linux is that it's free and it's easy to install. That means that you can do a clean install on your machine quickly. One of the things I hate about Windows is that you are pretty much stuck with the same intstall, accumulating crap, for as long as you have that version of Windows. Doh. That's asking for trouble. Going back to the idea of the cheap disks, I usually mirror my disk as soon as I install a new OS and get all the configs right. Then, every few weeks, I just mirror it back and restore the non-os data. That way if there's a rootkit on I didn't know about, it will be gone. Similarly, every few months, I simply install the OS from scratch, usually bouncing between a Ubuntu-like OS such as Mint and a Red Hat like one such as Fedora/CentOS/Mageia. Since it's all pretty mechanical, most of this is turn-it-on-and-go-to-bed kind of stuff, so it's not like I'm sitting around staring at the screen for hours. 3) Standard network security: a) I like the old timey concepts of choke and bastion firewalls, with the crown jewels way back away from the server, per se. You may have to compromise on that if you have bandwidth/efficiency problems, but most folk do OK. Google on choke bastion DMZ firewall tutorial b) If you have choke and bastion firewalls, you probably have a DMZ. Again, I'm a fan of having a separate box for each service -- an email server, a web server, etc., for the obvious reason that if one gets hit, the others may not. I break this rule for my home network, but I've always done it when I had a real network to run. c) Don't serve anything you don't have to. d) Don't listen at ports you don't have to. e) Don't do stuff open text. Turn off telnet except when you need to use it to test stuff (and I find netcat works just as well most of the time anyway), etc. 4) Basic intrusion detection and avoidance a) Read your logs. b) Read your logs. c) Read your logs. d) Keep track of who should be on your machines when. It may be that a zillion people go to your web site, but only a few would go to your ftp server and only *you* should log in to your email server -- and you know when you do that. e) Use brute force tripwires for ssh, ftp, etc that look for and stop script kiddies. f) Everybody tells me to use tripwire, so I'll throw that in, but I have to say that I get so many false positives on it that I pretty much ignore it... g) Iptables is your friend. If you know that you only want to talk to certain places, then just block everything else out. I don't know anybody in China or Taiwan or Korea. So screw it. I'll just use iptables to block everything except the US, Canada, and Europe. That won't stop the assholes in Russia, or the assholes in China that own boxes in France, but it helps. Yeah, yeah, firewalld is all the cat's meow, but I haven't learned it. I like iptables. Sue me. h) Encrypt stuff as much as you can stand it. I don't encrypt drives, but I encrypt directories and files. You know that there are lots of files you only access every once in a blue moon. Encrypt them. What the hell. It's easy, and I've been surprised how much I didn't want certain emails made public that I also didn't need to re-read every freaking day. billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or
Re: f20 - hostname
On 12/18/2013 02:35 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: During install I did not find a dialog to set my host name (FQDN). Somehow it picked up what I like for host, but the domain part it is picking up from dhcp of the subnet I was on during the install. I want to force the whole fqdn regardless of where I am. I think hostnamectl is the command to use (not just # hostname). This documentation for Fedora 18 should still apply: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s1_Using_Hostnamectl.html And you should also look at: $ man hostname It looks like this -- http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s2_Set_All_the_Hostnames.html -- is what you should do: # hostnamectl set-hostname name (In the example above, name is your preferred hostname) Yes. I have notes on this, and did the change. But past installs let me set it at install time via a dialog prompt. That is what I am asking about. Where did it get moved to??? But thinks for this. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 20 / Bluetooth / XFCE
Where did bluetooth support go in F20? Under F19, I had a bluetooth icon in the notification area and there was blueman to manage bluetooth devices. Yum tells me blueman has been obsoleted and replaced by BlueZ in F20, but I can't find any menu item related to Bluetooth. There is a program called bluetooth-wizard. It sees my Roku box and iPHone but not my Jambox. This all worked in F19. Package blueman-1.23-7.fc20.x86_64 is obsoleted by bluez-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 which is already installed $ rpm -qa |grep blue pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-4.0-9.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64 bluez-libs-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 bluez-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 gnome-bluetooth-libs-3.10.0-1.fc20.x86_64 gnome-shell-extension-remove-bluetooth-icon-0.5.1-2.fc20.noarch gnome-bluetooth-3.10.0-1.fc20.x86_64 bluez-cups-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On Dec 18, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:32 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: On 12/18/2013 04:41 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: Hello, I'm going to setup F20 with a new SSD disk (256gb Samsung 840 PRO) and was wondering about best practices for Over Provisioning during partitioning. hmmm. I just ordered a Crucial M500 256GB SSD for my new install. I thought I would have it all to work with (currently using a 320GB HD, so that is a 64GB reduction already). Are you implying here that you need to not use all of the SSD drive so that it has some swap around? I chose the M500 over the 840 based on price and reviews. The M500 uses MLC NAND compared to the 840 using TLC NAND. FYI, be aware there appears to be a queued TRIM bug with the M500 where it may be causing silent data corruption. I wouldn't use discard on this, or any, SSD, in production until it's been well tested. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1024002 Seems like a workaround was posted yesterday? So since I am still waiting for the drive to show up on my porch… Yes. Although I'm uncertain whether we get queued TRIM for free with a SATA rev 3.0 controller, or if that means such drives use the SATA rev 3.0 non-queued TRIM? I'm under the impression that to get SATA rev 3.1 queued TRIM that the drive and the controller it plugs into, and libata all need to support SATA rev 3.1. So I don't actually fully understand the problem, but it sounds like a firmware bug to me. Suffice to say, with Windows having enabled TRIM by default for all SSDs, if a drive is corrupting its data, this ought to be quickly remedied with a firmware update I'd think. Until the industry gets its act together on TRIM, I think we're probably better off executing fstrim once a week with a cron job at a time the computer is likely to be idle. And what is TRIM and fstrim? Ultimately you don't need to worry about it because TRIM isn't used by default on Fedora. This is enabled with the discard mount option. As far as I know, only Ubuntu has said they will use discard by default in the near future. You can read more on TRIM on wikipedia and elsewhere if you're interested. The gist is it's a way to inform the SSD of pages that are no longer in use by the file system, i.e. deleted files, rather than files that have been overwritten. This optimization is desirable, but only if it works correctly. And right now it's not universally working correctly. fstrim is a user space program to manually issue TRIM, so it can be done when the drive is idle, and therefore negative side effects of the discard mount option aren't readily noticed - those primarily being short term performance problems that seem like a system hang for a few seconds (or in some extreme cases up to a minute or two). Where you're likely to experience a particular need for fstrim or discard is if you have a fairly full SSD, with more file delete and create workload rather than file overwrite workload. So if your SSD has a lot of unused space you're unlikely to notice SSD slow down as a result of the SSD not having many pages erased and ready for writes. It's sort of a complicated issue. Chris Murphy-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 / Bluetooth / XFCE
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 14:02 -0600, Steven Stern wrote: Where did bluetooth support go in F20? Under F19, I had a bluetooth icon in the notification area and there was blueman to manage bluetooth devices. Yum tells me blueman has been obsoleted and replaced by BlueZ in F20, but I can't find any menu item related to Bluetooth. There is a program called bluetooth-wizard. It sees my Roku box and iPHone but not my Jambox. This all worked in F19. Package blueman-1.23-7.fc20.x86_64 is obsoleted by bluez-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 which is already installed $ rpm -qa |grep blue pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-4.0-9.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64 bluez-libs-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 bluez-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 gnome-bluetooth-libs-3.10.0-1.fc20.x86_64 gnome-shell-extension-remove-bluetooth-icon-0.5.1-2.fc20.noarch gnome-bluetooth-3.10.0-1.fc20.x86_64 bluez-cups-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 -- -- Steve I think the problem is in new bluetooth stack, and some of the software is not developed anymore so it doesn't support it. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Bluez5 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 / Bluetooth / XFCE
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 14:02 -0600, Steven Stern wrote: Where did bluetooth support go in F20? Under F19, I had a bluetooth icon in the notification area and there was blueman to manage bluetooth devices. Yum tells me blueman has been obsoleted and replaced by BlueZ in F20, but I can't find any menu item related to Bluetooth. There is a program called bluetooth-wizard. It sees my Roku box and iPHone but not my Jambox. This all worked in F19. Package blueman-1.23-7.fc20.x86_64 is obsoleted by bluez-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 which is already installed $ rpm -qa |grep blue pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-4.0-9.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64 bluez-libs-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 bluez-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 gnome-bluetooth-libs-3.10.0-1.fc20.x86_64 gnome-shell-extension-remove-bluetooth-icon-0.5.1-2.fc20.noarch gnome-bluetooth-3.10.0-1.fc20.x86_64 bluez-cups-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 -- -- Steve Sorry for second reply, I was unable to find the text I read today. ... Also here it says http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html 3.1.6. MATE you can install and use bluedevil Because of compatibility issues with the new bluetooth stack, MATE does not include a bluetooth applet by default. Users that need this functionality should install the bluedevil package. So this probably works on xfce too. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 / Bluetooth / XFCE
On 12/18/2013 02:18 PM, bitlord wrote: On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 14:02 -0600, Steven Stern wrote: Where did bluetooth support go in F20? Under F19, I had a bluetooth icon in the notification area and there was blueman to manage bluetooth devices. Yum tells me blueman has been obsoleted and replaced by BlueZ in F20, but I can't find any menu item related to Bluetooth. There is a program called bluetooth-wizard. It sees my Roku box and iPHone but not my Jambox. This all worked in F19. Package blueman-1.23-7.fc20.x86_64 is obsoleted by bluez-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 which is already installed $ rpm -qa |grep blue pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-4.0-9.gitf81e3.fc20.x86_64 bluez-libs-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 bluez-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 gnome-bluetooth-libs-3.10.0-1.fc20.x86_64 gnome-shell-extension-remove-bluetooth-icon-0.5.1-2.fc20.noarch gnome-bluetooth-3.10.0-1.fc20.x86_64 bluez-cups-5.12-2.fc20.x86_64 -- -- Steve I think the problem is in new bluetooth stack, and some of the software is not developed anymore so it doesn't support it. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Bluez5 Well, that really sucks. The bluetooth dongle I bought yesterday that worked just fine doesn't work because Fedora is shipping an incomplete bluetooth stack. I don't seem to see any way to get this to work! BUT, the bluetooth dongle is, in fact, working because I can see *some bluetooth devices in the house, just not the one I want. And, it won't work with XFCE. Looking for some hints and help, folks. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On 12/18/2013 03:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 18, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:32 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:03 AM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com wrote: On 12/18/2013 04:41 AM, John Obaterspok wrote: Hello, I'm going to setup F20 with a new SSD disk (256gb Samsung 840 PRO) and was wondering about best practices for Over Provisioning during partitioning. hmmm. I just ordered a Crucial M500 256GB SSD for my new install. I thought I would have it all to work with (currently using a 320GB HD, so that is a 64GB reduction already). Are you implying here that you need to not use all of the SSD drive so that it has some swap around? I chose the M500 over the 840 based on price and reviews. The M500 uses MLC NAND compared to the 840 using TLC NAND. FYI, be aware there appears to be a queued TRIM bug with the M500 where it may be causing silent data corruption. I wouldn't use discard on this, or any, SSD, in production until it's been well tested. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1024002 Seems like a workaround was posted yesterday? So since I am still waiting for the drive to show up on my porch… Yes. Although I'm uncertain whether we get queued TRIM for free with a SATA rev 3.0 controller, or if that means such drives use the SATA rev 3.0 non-queued TRIM? I'm under the impression that to get SATA rev 3.1 queued TRIM that the drive and the controller it plugs into, and libata all need to support SATA rev 3.1. So I don't actually fully understand the problem, but it sounds like a firmware bug to me. Suffice to say, with Windows having enabled TRIM by default for all SSDs, if a drive is corrupting its data, this ought to be quickly remedied with a firmware update I'd think. My Lenovo x120e supposedly has the sata3 chipset, but only sata2 enabled. According to a few forums that I found when looking for what type of drive to buy for this laptop. Some think the sata2 option is to upsell the x220. So perhaps TRIM is even less important to me. But first I have to get f20 working reasonably on my Asus before installing on my Lenovo. And I have to figure out a few things. Not being able to specify the update repo at install was painful. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 / Bluetooth / XFCE
On 12/18/2013 12:28 PM, Steven Stern wrote: And, it won't work with XFCE. This may be DE specific; you might want to check at the official Xfce forum, http://forum.xfce.org/index.php and see what they have to say. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: My Lenovo x120e supposedly has the sata3 chipset, but only sata2 enabled. According to a few forums that I found when looking for what type of drive to buy for this laptop. Some think the sata2 option is to upsell the x220. For SSD you'll almost certainly want SATA rev 3.0 enabled. The bandwidth is 300MBs vs 600MB/s. By running SATA rev. 2 you're bandwidth limiting your hardware. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 / Bluetooth / XFCE
On 12/18/2013 02:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/18/2013 12:28 PM, Steven Stern wrote: And, it won't work with XFCE. This may be DE specific; you might want to check at the official Xfce forum, http://forum.xfce.org/index.php and see what they have to say. I just rebooted into Gnome and I don't even get the bluetooth thingie at the top right of the screen. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 / Bluetooth / XFCE
On 12/18/2013 02:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/18/2013 12:28 PM, Steven Stern wrote: And, it won't work with XFCE. This may be DE specific; you might want to check at the official Xfce forum, http://forum.xfce.org/index.php and see what they have to sa I've got it working now in Gnome, so I'll see if I can adapt the to G3 look and feel and get with the program. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On 12/18/2013 03:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: My Lenovo x120e supposedly has the sata3 chipset, but only sata2 enabled. According to a few forums that I found when looking for what type of drive to buy for this laptop. Some think the sata2 option is to upsell the x220. For SSD you'll almost certainly want SATA rev 3.0 enabled. The bandwidth is 300MBs vs 600MB/s. By running SATA rev. 2 you're bandwidth limiting your hardware. And sata2 is better with a HD than a SSD? All the comments I found said that Linux was seeing the drive as sata2, even though the chipset supported sata3. No workarounds, and the posts were not that old. Well we will see when the drive comes. I have been having wierd behaviour here, like audio turning off. Can't tell if it is software (old and who knows what is running now) or hardware. If f20 does not fix all the issues (USB sticks, but not drives, audio, external vga turning off then back on), it is time to get a new box. But I am budget limited and x120e is at a nice price. I will only get a 12 laptop with an eraserhead mouse button. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: On 12/18/2013 03:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: My Lenovo x120e supposedly has the sata3 chipset, but only sata2 enabled. According to a few forums that I found when looking for what type of drive to buy for this laptop. Some think the sata2 option is to upsell the x220. For SSD you'll almost certainly want SATA rev 3.0 enabled. The bandwidth is 300MBs vs 600MB/s. By running SATA rev. 2 you're bandwidth limiting your hardware. And sata2 is better with a HD than a SSD? In terms of bandwidth, no difference because the drive is slower than the SATA rev2 cap, but there are other benefits to SATA rev 3.0 including some ncq enhancements and other hand waivey things. So normally, short of bugs, you should use the highest revision the drive and controller support. All the comments I found said that Linux was seeing the drive as sata2, even though the chipset supported sata3. Seems possible. You can check this with dmesg, find the SATA device note and then redo dmesg and filter with grep to find all the messages related to that drive only. Also useful for finding bugs if the driver is having problems communicating with the drive at the higher spec revision level (rare but does sometimes happen). Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote: (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong. Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - hostname
On 12/19/13 03:57, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Yes. I have notes on this, and did the change. But past installs let me set it at install time via a dialog prompt. That is what I am asking about. Where did it get moved to??? It was taken out and, as explained, moved to a post-install utility. This was actually done in F19. -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - hostname
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:57:22 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: Yes. I have notes on this, and did the change. But past installs let me set it at install time via a dialog prompt. That is what I am asking about. Where did it get moved to??? Well obviously it is down in the network configuration spoke. That's intuitively obvious to the casual observer, right? :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: You can check this with dmesg, find the SATA device note node! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote: (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.* 1+ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - hostname
On 12/18/2013 04:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/19/13 03:57, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Yes. I have notes on this, and did the change. But past installs let me set it at install time via a dialog prompt. That is what I am asking about. Where did it get moved to??? It was taken out and, as explained, moved to a post-install utility. This was actually done in F19. Ah, like I said, I skipped f18 and 19. Now I remember putting in just the name, not the full fqdn. Will try that next time. I tend to do a number of installs on the test machine before trying it on the main box. This is a minor issue. Easy enough to correct. Not like figuring out what happened to gedit and nautilus. And getting updates to be applied at install time. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSD Partitioning OP/Trim recommendations
On 12/18/2013 04:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: You can check this with dmesg, find the SATA device note node! Tomorrow -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote: (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.* 1+ I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard. would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f20 - nautilus
OK. Now I am getting really bummed out. I want TREEs, not places. Can't seem to do that. Where is my menu on top? OK. cntl-l works to get a copyable location. And that advise that gedit is managed via appmenu? I suspect Nautilus is too, but can't find the tool -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: hacked - looking for doc/suggestions on hardening/securing systems from the start
Common rootkits that exploit weaknesses of old systems. I'd say it's enough to keep updated systems. If want some more hardening, close opened ports, use a firewall or iptables, create a DMZ, use strong passwords, disable unneeded services. Re included the list. There are people who reads the threads. Sorry for the top-posting, I started :( Merry christmas. On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:50 -0500, bruce wrote: Hey Rodolfo. That's just it, I have no idea how it was hacked.. it might have been a security hoole in the older FC I was using... the rootkits are cb Rootkit, SHV4 Rootkit, SHV5 Rootkit, Lite5-r Rootkit On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo nosp...@gmail.com wrote: As it in not common to be hacked on linux, and linux is really strong after install, perhaps you could specify a little under what conditions you were hacked. Was a physical intrusion? communicational? software? a web page? an open service or port? an injection? stolen passwd? Normally, hacking a linux box is the result of an inconscious administrator, sorry. If the information you have is sensitive, -has some cost- you need to invest proportionally to it on security -hardening software, hardware, physical access.. etc.- Most persons on this list know enough to protect information to a certain level, but if you want to protect very expensive information, you should invest -as I said, proportionally- on a specialist. If not, google is enough. Hope you find the solution... R bruce badoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys. - subject says it all!! For a basic centos/fedora install. Need to have pointers/docs/suggestions/solid steps to actually harden/secure a system. I've looked at a bunch of different articles/sites, so I'm also turning here. Also, are there any good (i know) security lists/resources (people) I could talk to about remotely hiring for this process.. thanks 'ppreciate it!! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- -- Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo - rodolf...@gmail.com otbits.blogspot.com / counter.li.org: #367962 -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot. 2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote: (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong. *Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.* 1+ I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard. would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace. Numbers 6:24-26 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 05:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote: Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot. This is selectable at install? I will most likely try again tomorrow... 2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote: (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.* 1+ I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard. would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace. Numbers 6:24-26 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - hostname
On 12/19/13 05:30, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/18/2013 04:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/19/13 03:57, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Yes. I have notes on this, and did the change. But past installs let me set it at install time via a dialog prompt. That is what I am asking about. Where did it get moved to??? It was taken out and, as explained, moved to a post-install utility. This was actually done in F19. Ah, like I said, I skipped f18 and 19. Now I remember putting in just the name, not the full fqdn. Will try that next time. I tend to do a number of installs on the test machine before trying it on the main box. This is a minor issue. Easy enough to correct. Not like figuring out what happened to gedit and nautilus. And getting updates to be applied at install time. Looks as if I need to correct myself. As Tom pointed out, there is now a place to enter that in the network spoke. Pretty sure that wasn't there in F19 and I failed to look there during the beta phase.. :-( -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 - hostname
On 12/18/2013 05:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/19/13 05:30, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/18/2013 04:08 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/19/13 03:57, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Yes. I have notes on this, and did the change. But past installs let me set it at install time via a dialog prompt. That is what I am asking about. Where did it get moved to??? It was taken out and, as explained, moved to a post-install utility. This was actually done in F19. Ah, like I said, I skipped f18 and 19. Now I remember putting in just the name, not the full fqdn. Will try that next time. I tend to do a number of installs on the test machine before trying it on the main box. This is a minor issue. Easy enough to correct. Not like figuring out what happened to gedit and nautilus. And getting updates to be applied at install time. Looks as if I need to correct myself. As Tom pointed out, there is now a place to enter that in the network spoke. Will look harder there next time. Going to do another install tomorrow. Also change the gui. Pretty sure that wasn't there in F19 and I failed to look there during the beta phase.. :-( -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What hath Gnome wrought?
Anyone know how to get latest gnome to believe the DPI setting and not blow up 12pt fonts to gigantic proportions? OK, found a bugzilla with some useful info I can try: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709859 I also see there is a magic EDID override I can use on the kernel command line. I may see if I can get that to work (which would solve the issue permanently no matter how helpful software tries to become :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain dennis.kapt...@gmail.com wrote: Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot. I'd roll Mate, Xfce and LXDE onto the box to see what you like. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f20 - enabling update repo
I see in http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Installation_Guide/index.html sec 8.1.4 that I am suppose to add: repo=http://fqdn/os/i386/ to the install command (pressing tab at boot time). My notes for f17 was to use url= But how to specify the updates repo? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart has that in the kickstart file itself to use repo --name=updates and seems to warn against using a url that anaconda will find it? really? But what to put on the command line. I can't find that in the docs. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f20 strange local repo behaviour
when I edited the yum.repos.d files to point to my local repos, I got the following error doing a yum update: Error: Package: gnutls-utils-3.1.17-3.fc20.i686 (updates) Requires: libopts.so.25 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest I have the same number of files locally that I am seeing on the mirrors, so what gives? Is there perhaps a permission problem? I used rsync to build my repo: rsync -auv --delete --exclude=debug/ rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/updates/20/i386/ /var/flexshare/shares/repo/fedora/20/updates/i386 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 06:16 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain dennis.kapt...@gmail.com wrote: Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot. I'd roll Mate, Xfce and LXDE onto the box to see what you like. Only a 16GB SSD on this ASUS ee900. Kind of 'pressed' for space. I will give Mate a try first. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
3G
Hello, I use a 3G+ usb key to connect to the internet. I originally configured the key. Where can I find the configuration file? Thank === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France === -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 02:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote: Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot. 2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote: (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.* 1+ I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard. would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes. I have MATE running on F18 - and it has a ways to go with ~/.gnome2 as opposed to ~/.gnome(3) user settings. MATE fails to save workspace settings, fails menu reorganizations, uses caja/nautilus inconsistently, semi-fails XDMCP (Cannot log in remotely-unable to enter password), 'motion' does not work well on httpd+web browser and so on. There is more HD bloat (gnome2+gnome3) and it is a performance hog so a speedy MOBO/CPU/RAM is needed. The look and feel is pretty good, but it can get ugly sometimes. I hope MATE applications catches up to what it was before gnome-3. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 / Bluetooth / XFCE
On 12/18/2013 12:44 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 12/18/2013 02:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/18/2013 12:28 PM, Steven Stern wrote: And, it won't work with XFCE. This may be DE specific; you might want to check at the official Xfce forum, http://forum.xfce.org/index.php and see what they have to say. I just rebooted into Gnome and I don't even get the bluetooth thingie at the top right of the screen. OK, in that case, it's not DE specific. Out of curiosity, did you reboot, or just log out/log in? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
I guess to each their own.cuz I happen to LIKE Gnome 3!.LoL! - Reply message - From: Dan Thurman d...@cdkkt.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit Date: Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:32 pm On 12/18/2013 02:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote: Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot. 2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote: (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong. Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible. 1+ I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard. would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes. I have MATE running on F18 - and it has a ways to go with ~/.gnome2 as opposed to ~/.gnome(3) user settings. MATE fails to save workspace settings, fails menu reorganizations, uses caja/nautilus inconsistently, semi-fails XDMCP (Cannot log in remotely-unable to enter password), 'motion' does not work well on httpd+web browser and so on. There is more HD bloat (gnome2+gnome3) and it is a performance hog so a speedy MOBO/CPU/RAM is needed. The look and feel is pretty good, but it can get ugly sometimes. I hope MATE applications catches up to what it was before gnome-3.-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit
On 12/18/2013 07:50 PM, eoconno...@gmail.com wrote: I guess to each their own.cuz I happen to LIKE Gnome 3!.LoL! If I could config it easier. What is the app to change behaviour in apps like gedit? - Reply message - From: Dan Thurman d...@cdkkt.com To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: What to try instead of gnome - Re: f20 - gedit Date: Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:32 pm On 12/18/2013 02:20 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote: Mate is a fork of Gnome2. I use it and like it a lot. 2013/12/18 Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com mailto:r...@htt-consult.com On 12/18/2013 04:21 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: On 12/18/2013 01:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:42:35 +0100 bitlord wrote: (just as example), but probably should have some fallback solution on NONgnome-shell desktops I'm pretty sure it does. When I run GTK apps under FVWM, they actually get buttons in the app itself where they belong.*Yet another reason to run as far away from Gnome as possible.* 1+ I am getting so close to pulling the plug on gnome. Just getting too hard to use with a mouse and keyboard. would like to get back to something close to gnome 2. Like I still have on my Centos boxes. I have MATE running on F18 - and it has a ways to go with ~/.gnome2 as opposed to ~/.gnome(3) user settings. MATE fails to save workspace settings, fails menu reorganizations, uses caja/nautilus inconsistently, semi-fails XDMCP (Cannot log in remotely-unable to enter password), 'motion' does not work well on httpd+web browser and so on. There is more HD bloat (gnome2+gnome3) and it is a performance hog so a speedy MOBO/CPU/RAM is needed. The look and feel is pretty good, but it can get ugly sometimes. I hope MATE applications catches up to what it was before gnome-3. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird-lightning Version Incompatibility
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: The current versions of thunderbird and thunderbird-lightning, namely * thunderbird-24.2.0-2 * thunderbird-lightning-2.6.2-3 don't seem to be compatible. I believe an update was pushed to F19 today to fix this. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 20 / Bluetooth / XFCE
On 12/18/2013 06:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/18/2013 12:44 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 12/18/2013 02:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/18/2013 12:28 PM, Steven Stern wrote: And, it won't work with XFCE. This may be DE specific; you might want to check at the official Xfce forum, http://forum.xfce.org/index.php and see what they have to say. I just rebooted into Gnome and I don't even get the bluetooth thingie at the top right of the screen. OK, in that case, it's not DE specific. Out of curiosity, did you reboot, or just log out/log in? Login/logout and later a reboot. I found a bluetooth thing under the Gnome preferences and now I can play from rhythmbox through my Jambox. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
installing Enlightenment
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Release_Notes/sect-Release_Notes-Changes_for_Desktop.html#sect-Desktop The F20 release notes say that to install E17, one does yum install @enlightenment but sudo yum install @enlightenment Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit Warning: group enlightenment does not exist. Nothing to do yum grouplist says Available environment groups: GNOME Desktop KDE Plasma Workspaces Xfce Desktop LXDE Desktop Cinnamon Desktop MATE Desktop Sugar Desktop Environment Development and Creative Workstation Web Server Infrastructure Server Basic Desktop Minimal Install -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Weird gnome setup window in VNC virtual machine
I installed 32 and 64 bit Fedora 20 virtual machines at work today, using VNC video (since I have an old server that doesn't know anything about spice). After the install, on the first run the gnome setup tool runs to ask a few questions about keyboard, cloud, etc. In the VNC client, a black hole appears with the setup tool window squished into 2/3 of the hole over on the left side. I can't click the Next button to make any progress until I discover that I should click the button over in the black part of the screen where the Next button would have been if the window wasn't squished. So far, no other app has acted like this. The Gnome help app that pops up once I exit is drawn perfectly normally, no squishing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f20 strange local repo behaviour
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:24:07 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: when I edited the yum.repos.d files to point to my local repos, I got the following error doing a yum update: Error: Package: gnutls-utils-3.1.17-3.fc20.i686 (updates) Requires: libopts.so.25 # repoquery --whatprovides libopts.so.25* autogen-libopts-0:5.18-1.fc20.x86_64 autogen-libopts-0:5.18-1.fc20.i686 # yum list autogen-libopts|grep ^auto autogen-libopts.x86_64 5.18-1.fc20 installed autogen-libopts.i686 5.18-1.fc20 fedora I have the same number of files locally that I am seeing on the mirrors, so what gives? Is there perhaps a permission problem? I used rsync to build my repo: When facing dependency problems, never truncate Yum output, and always query the remote repos as well as the installed packages to show what's available and what's installed already. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 20 / Gnome 3 crashing when ssh session hangs/fails
Hi all, Twice today I've had my system lock up hard when my ssh session failed. In both cases, the mouse pointer moved still, but I couldn't corner bump or even do ctrl + alt + f2/f3/f4 to get a terminal window. My setup is a fresh install (not an upgrade) of stock Fedora 20 x86_64, Lenovo Thinkpad W530 on an SSD with luks-encrypted root (no LVM, ext4) and selinux disabled. The /var/log/messages from the minutes before the second crash don't seem to show much: Dec 18 21:01:01 lemass systemd: Starting Session 5 of user root. Dec 18 21:01:01 lemass systemd: Started Session 5 of user root. Dec 18 21:01:37 lemass dbus-daemon: dbus[647]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.PackageKit' unit='packagekit.service' Dec 18 21:01:37 lemass dbus[647]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.PackageKit' unit='packagekit.service' Dec 18 21:01:37 lemass systemd: Starting PackageKit Daemon... Dec 18 21:01:37 lemass dbus-daemon: dbus[647]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit' Dec 18 21:01:37 lemass dbus[647]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit' Dec 18 21:01:37 lemass systemd: Started PackageKit Daemon. Dec 18 21:01:46 lemass yum[8967]: Installed: syslinux-4.05-7.fc20.x86_64 Dec 18 21:01:46 lemass dbus-daemon: dbus[647]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.PackageKit' unit='packagekit.service' Dec 18 21:01:46 lemass dbus[647]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.PackageKit' unit='packagekit.service' Dec 18 21:01:46 lemass systemd: Starting PackageKit Daemon... Dec 18 21:01:46 lemass dbus-daemon: dbus[647]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit' Dec 18 21:01:46 lemass dbus[647]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit' Dec 18 21:01:46 lemass systemd: Started PackageKit Daemon. The messages after this are the boot messages. I should mention that, perhaps related to or perhaps an issue on it's own, both times I hard-rebooted my laptop. In both cases, I had to reboot three times before it would prompt me to enter my luks passphrase to unlock /. I had no issues like this in Fedora 19. I reinstalled ~24 hours ago. Any help is appreciated. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.ca/w/ What if the cure for cancer is trapped in the mind of a person without access to education? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installing Enlightenment
The F20 release notes say that to install E17, one does yum install @enlightenment Yes, that might be a typo, just leave off the @ sign, e.g. yum install enlightenment I have it installed here and it works very nicely. -- Bryce Hardy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: installing Enlightenment
Hi On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Bryce Hardy wrote: The F20 release notes say that to install E17, one does yum install @enlightenment Yes, that might be a typo, just leave off the @ sign, e.g. yum install enlightenment I have it installed here and it works very nicely. It is not a typo but the @ syntax is for a yum group and one hasn't been defined yet. There is an open bug report for that. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gmvault fails on fedora 17
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:22:18 AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: The first thing they will say is you are using an unsupported Fedora release. http://gmvault.org/report_pb.html First, albeit not worth discussing here, there ARE reasons why that specific box still has to be on Fedora 17 for a little while. Second, I had already posted a detailed trouble report to the gmvault group before posting here. No answer so far, we'll see. In any case, in general, utilities like this and their maintainers couldn't care less of the **Fedora** version. They only care about specific versions of python/perl or some of their modules, not whether or not the underlying distro version is still supported by its distributors. And so far all the many tools like this that I am running, all much newer than Fedora 17, and several newer than this gmvault version, have had no issue at all with being on an unsupported version. That same box is also running several other, recent Python scripts that process email and/or interact with other Web services without any issue. Finally, in the past I've had several cases of programs like this failing not because the **version** of some package or module was too old or too new, but simply because the **configuration** or some default value was different. This is why, while being perfectly aware that Fedora 17 is unsupported, that even those other packages may stop working etc.. I'd really like to know what, exactly, makes gmvault fail in that way, on that system. Thanks, Marco -- M. Fioretti http://mfioretti.com http://stop.zona-m.net Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
