Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:42:20 -0700 stan wrote: > I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing > list feel about that. There is already a fedoraforum which I don't use at all because I despise forums because they are nothing like as useful as mailing lists.

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Mark C. Allman
On 10/20/18 5:42 PM, stan wrote: > Hi, > There's a big mail thread on fedora-devel about using a web forum > software called Discourse instead of mailing lists. The idea is that > it would invigorate the Fedora community by encouraging younger people > raised on social media and mobile

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Stephen Perkins
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:56 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 10/21/18 5:42 AM, stan wrote: > > I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing > > list feel about that. > > I would simply stop contributing. > And that is why I would be leaving. Your contributions have helped me,

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Todd Zullinger
stan wrote: > I'm wondering how the people who regularly use > fedora-users mailing list feel about that. Which would > you prefer? Forums have never been something I care for. Anything which forces its choice of interface upon me is something I don't use joyfully. But that said, I don't see

Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Leander Hutton
On 10/20/18 5:42 PM, stan wrote: > I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing > list feel about that. Which would you prefer? Unfortunately, it's an > either / or proposal, because there is no interface in Discourse for > emails from an email list to be put in their

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Mike Wright
On 10/20/18 3:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:42:20 -0700 stan wrote: I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing list feel about that. There is already a fedoraforum which I don't use at all because I despise forums because they are nothing like as

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/21/18 7:52 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > But that said, I don't see any reason why there could not be > a users forum and an email list co-existing. Are you aware that is already the case for this mailing list? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/ --

Re: Structure needs cleaning?? What would be a better way to handle?

2018-10-20 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/20/18 11:05 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: 1. Why wouldn't the boot fsck fix the problem without dumping to a command prompt? I think it's run in "preen" mode or something similar. It will fix simple issues and check things, but if there's a problem that could have significant

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread William Oliver
This comes up occasionally on another list I belong to. The dynamic of a forum and a mailinglist are very different, mostly because one is push and one is pull. With a forum, you have to *go* to the site, which means that folk who are peripherally interested will just stop looking unless they

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/21/18 5:42 AM, stan wrote: > I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing > list feel about that. I would simply stop contributing. -- Cardinal Rule of Presentations: "Tell them what you are going to tell them, tell them, then tell them what you told them."

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Stephen Perkins
>On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:01 PM stan wrote: >Would you willingly or > reluctantly migrate to the new platform? > Neither. If this list disappears, I will too. __ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Fulko Hew
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:35 PM Mike Wright wrote: > On 10/20/18 3:17 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:42:20 -0700 > > stan wrote: > > > >> I'm wondering how the people who regularly use fedora-users mailing > >> list feel about that. > > > > There is already a fedoraforum which

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Todd Zullinger
Ed Greshko wrote: > On 10/21/18 7:52 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: >> But that said, I don't see any reason why there could not be >> a users forum and an email list co-existing. > > Are you aware that is already the case for this mailing list? > >

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Todd Zullinger
Leander Hutton wrote: > Discourse, Discord or Slack are what everyone seem to be clustering > around these days. The main thing I like about mailing lists and even to > some extent IRC is it's a bit more decentralized and is easily locally > archived. They're also built around a standard or

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/21/18 8:40 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 10/21/18 7:52 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: >>> But that said, I don't see any reason why there could not be >>> a users forum and an email list co-existing. >> Are you aware that is already the case for this mailing list? >> >>

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 20Oct2018 18:55, Stephen Perkins wrote: On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:01 PM stan wrote: Would you willingly or reluctantly migrate to the new platform? Neither. If this list disappears, I will too. Likewise. Unless the forum provides a bidirectional gateway with the existing mailing

Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 10/20/18 9:03 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 20Oct2018 18:55, Stephen Perkins wrote: On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:01 PM stan wrote: Would you willingly or reluctantly migrate to the new platform? Neither.  If this list disappears, I will too. Likewise. And another likewise

really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

2018-10-20 Thread bruce
Feel free to ignore this one !! I'm testing a webapp, using the test ipadress from the previous email thread on the apache/vhost setup. In this case, I'm sending a "test" email to a dummy yahoo email account to register a test user in the test app. When I perform this same action with a dummy

Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

2018-10-20 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 02:02:52PM -0400, bruce wrote: > While I can seem to generate a valid server connection, it appears > something is happening to prevent a successful test email Remember that with Google, it may identify your server as a "Less secure system". The account owner has to

Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

2018-10-20 Thread bruce
Hi List. Thanks for letting me post some things that are seriously off topic. The issue of using php/(b2evolution) to handle sending emails -- using an smtp server. Testing against smtp.yahoo.com with the required SSL/port. Never could get it to quite work. However, when using gmail's smtp

Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

2018-10-20 Thread bruce
Hi Walter, Thanks for the reply. Tried the change/suggestions in the header... Actually changed the > Return-Path: b2evo-return@104.248.125.83<--- this is no good idea, FQDN expected > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 06:08:17 + > X-Mailer: b2evolution 6.10.3-stable -

Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

2018-10-20 Thread bruce
Hi Alex... After much thrashing.. I decided to test the use of the smtp.yahoo.com smtp server with the user/passwd/port... While I can seem to generate a valid server connection, it appears something is happening to prevent a successful test email arrrggghhh.. the trek continues! On Sat,

Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

2018-10-20 Thread Walter H.
On 20.10.2018 17:28, bruce wrote: Hi Walter, Thanks for the reply. is there any log maybe the mail is rejected or whatever? your webserver should relay to sendmail/postfix and this part has the log; your server should have a correct rDNS and DNS which is used in EHLO smime.p7s

Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

2018-10-20 Thread bruce
Hi Walter, This is a simple digitalocean test server/app. there's an ipaddress.. no dns.. no FQDN.. just some test php, as well as the test open source web app i'm testing out.. So the "normal" process one would use for email/dns/etc.. aren't here.. thanks On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 11:54 AM

Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

2018-10-20 Thread Alexander Dalloz
Am 20.10.2018 um 18:03 schrieb bruce: Hi Walter, This is a simple digitalocean test server/app. there's an ipaddress.. no dns.. no FQDN.. just some test php, as well as the test open source web app i'm testing out.. Your setup has the footprint of a spammer. Yahoo has implemented DMARK and

Structure needs cleaning?? What would be a better way to handle?

2018-10-20 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
I was doing a search of directories to see the sizes, and had some messages come up about Structure needs cleaning? My original solution didn't work so well. Files where in the /var/lib/yum/yumdb directory and the latest one was from 2016. Since it was part of the / (root) partition /dev/sda2,

Re: really off topic -- yahoo email issue!

2018-10-20 Thread Walter H.
On 20.10.2018 10:57, bruce wrote: However, the yahoo process seems to have issues with the emai. I've submitted the test email address to the yahoo contacts list as well as checking the spam folder. No luck. see comments below The headers of the email are: usc_...@yahoo.com Subject:

Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?

2018-10-20 Thread stan
Hi, There's a big mail thread on fedora-devel about using a web forum software called Discourse instead of mailing lists. The idea is that it would invigorate the Fedora community by encouraging younger people raised on social media and mobile platforms to contribute. One of the targets they