Re: btrfs supported in Fedora 12?
drago01 wrote: You can't ... you need to use another installation method than the live media to use any other fs than ext4. The live media installation basically copies the the ext4 image to disk and re-sizes it. Using the install DVD or a netinstall image you can use any supported fs (including brtfs when passing the magic icantbelieveitsnotbtr). It's also possible to convert the ext4 partition written by the live image to btrfs post installation, btrfs can convert ext* partitions. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: f11: issue with akonadi and mysql-global.conf
Try renaming your ~/.local/share/akonadi directory to ~/.local/share/akonadi.backup and ~/.config/akonadi to ~/.config/akonadi.backup, that should reset Akonadi to factory settings. (It will probably redo the address book migration, too.) You shouldn't have to edit configurations by hand. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: texlive 2009
Matthew Saltzman wrote: The packaging work has been going on for a while, but wasn't ready in time for F12. It's targeted for inclusion in F13. I doubt it's gonna make F13, we're well past feature freeze now and it's still not in. The literally thousands of review requests are going to take forever. :-( Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: akonadi startup errors
Dave Stevens wrote: have you added the para? Yes. I don't see it, could you supply a url? http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi#Nepomuk_Indexing_Agents_have_been_Disabled has all the information now. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail / Akonadi mess
Marko Vojinovic wrote: I am yet to see any problem with KMail/akonadi/nepomuk on this fully updated F12/64bit/KDE Same here (except 32-bit as this is an old P4 Northwood). I did get the Akonadi warning about Nepomuk being disabled, but that's just a warning, and I just enabled Nepomuk in System Settings and then the warning was gone, no further issues. Now as one of the packagers I'm not really the average user. :-) But we've had several similar positive reports from normal users. It's quite strange and unfortunate that some users are running into problems, but I really don't understand why. :-( Normally it just works! Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail / Akonadi mess
Marko Vojinovic wrote: Let me see... System Settings - Advanced - Desktop Search - Basic Settings, and there you need to enable Nepomuk Semantik Desktop, and maybe Strigi Desktop File Indexer (just check the two checkboxes present). Actually only the first one is required for Akonadi to be happy, and in fact I'd recommend NOT to check the Strigi one (or to disable it again if you already enabled it) because that indexes your files in the background and can cause quite some CPU and I/O activity which is of no use to you if you don't use the resulting indexes. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail / Akonadi mess
Dave Stevens wrote: I don't know how many subscribers there are to this list and in any case do not feel comforted to hear that mine may be a corner case. I thought at one point that maybe I'd try removing and reinstalling akonadi. I saw a humongous list of apps that would be removed for dependencies. I'd presumably have to install them all again as well as akonadi. I didn't do it. But it pointed out to me the centrality of this software to a lot of K work. If it's so central this reinforces the case for solid testing. Removing and reinstalling usually doesn't solve anything anyway, as all the settings are in your home directory, not in the package. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: akonadi startup errors
Dave Stevens wrote: I got a similar (or perhaps the same) issue and at this address: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi#Nepomuk_Indexing_Agents_have_been_Disabled is a little box of three command line texts that worked for me. Not necessarily a permanent fix but I can now use my pop client (kmail) again. These command-line texts are actually awfully bad advice for most users! They solve the problem for users of KDE 4.4 prereleases who were already using Nepomuk with an old Virtuoso. But the reason most of you are seeing that error message is entirely different: you just have Nepomuk disabled in System Settings (under Desktop Search), please enable it there. These instructions will NOT solve your problem permanently as they only start Nepomuk in the current session (in fact they assume it's already enabled, just not working due to the Virtuoso migration which isn't affecting you at all). I'm adding a paragraph to the userbase.kde.org wiki to make this clear. (But I've been trying to explain that to Anne Wilson all this time. :-( ) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrading i686 vs. x86_64. Just checking !
Bruno Wolff III wrote: Currently wine is i686 only, so having that installed would be one way you could have ended up with some i686 packages installed. It's actually both these days, but 64-bit WINE can only run 64-bit executables, so the default wine metapackage will drag in both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Real Audio
Aaron Konstam wrote: I still thing that RealPlayer11GOLD.bin is the best program for processing audio streams. It's proprietary software. :-( Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrading i686 vs. x86_64. Just checking !
Steve Underwood wrote: The standard install on x86_64 puts both the x86_64 and i386/i686 versions of most libraries on the machine, to maximise compatibility with any 32 bit executables you may install for yourself. Actually no, it doesn't, it stopped doing that long ago. You get 32-bit stuff only if: * you install a 32-bit app which drags in the 32-bit libraries it needs, or * you install the wine metapackage which will also drag in 32-bit WINE (and its dependencies) as it's the one you're most likely to need, or * you changed the setting in yum.conf to make yum pull both versions by default. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail / Akonadi mess
John Aldrich wrote: I would suggest that anyone who has problems after an upgrade like this should try renaming ~local/share/akonadi and try again. It might also have had something to do with mysqld. I don't know if it was already running or not, but I manually started the service before renaming the folder. I know it wasn't mysqld alone as I had already tried it since manually starting the service. It's irrelevant, Akonadi doesn't by default use a systemwide MySQL instance at all, it spawns its own, per user one. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gsl_foo
Serj Burcev wrote: 8:arts-devel-1.5.10-11.fc12.x86_64 : Файлы разработки для звукового сервера aRts. That's definitely not what he's looking for! aRts is the old KDE 3 sound server. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail
John Aldrich wrote: Who's brilliant idea was it to push out a broken update anyway??? It works just fine for most people. Unfortunately, it's hard to tell what exactly is going wrong for you without further information. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade downgrades Firefox
Marcel Rieux wrote: I was running Firefox 3.6.? Firefox 3.6 is not in Fedora 12. If you tried to install it by overwriting the system Firefox with some tarball, then of course this will break the next time Fedora's Firefox is upgraded. Don't do that. Properly-packaged Firefox 3.6 RPMs can be found in Remi Collet's repository. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Zen kernel, what are advantages if any?
Roberto Ragusa wrote: - a scheduler from Con Kolivas is developed for years and widely used, merging it is always denied until someone else creates a similar scheduler and it is accepted immediately [the scheduler is a core part of the kernel, so why a freshly written one is preferred to a mature one?] Because it was developed by Ingo Molnar, the maintainer of the scheduling portion of the kernel. He knows what he's doing. He also provided a few technical reasons of why his Completely Fair Scheduler is better than the Con Kolivas staircase schedulers it was inspired by. - the reiser4 filesystem has been released in 2004 (!) and has never been accepted; ext4, instead, has been basically developed inside the mainline kernel and a similar thing happens for btrfs Because reiser4 is designed in a way which the Linux kernel developers said is unacceptable and the reiser4 developers refused to change it. It does too much in the file system instead of letting the other layers of the Linux file system stack handle things (kinda like ZFS, for which the relevant Linux kernel maintainers said they'd reject it even if it were acceptably licensed due to this everything in the file system design). [a filesystem is something totally isolated, only people using it can have problems; the rejection was justified by saying that Hans Reiser is a difficult guy to cope with (which is probably true)] FYI, Hans Reiser is now in prison for having killed his ex-wife and unlikely to ever get out of it. (They're serious when they say life in prison over in California.) Tuxonice is just another of the big but why not? denied projects. There were concrete technical objections there too. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kde4 question re desktop menu items.
George R Goffe wrote: I have been using kde3.6 and had changed the meaning of the 3 buttons on my mouse. I'm looking for the analogous feature in Kde4 but don't seem to be able to find it. Am I going blind or missing something? What exactly are you trying to do? Swap left and right button? That's under Settings / System Settings / System Administration / Keyboard Mouse / Mouse. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ERROR
Krishna Chandra Prajapati wrote: I am getting the below error on my rhel server. RHEL problems should be sent to an RHEL mailing list, or to Red Hat's paid support if you have a valid support contract. This is the wrong mailing list. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio only available output device on Fedora 12?
John Nissley wrote: I am running fedora 12 (2.6.31.12-174.2.3.fc12.x86_64 #1 SMP) and I am only showing pulseaudio as an output device for sound. In what application or desktop environment? Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI graphics mobility 5830 - does it work?
Mail Llists wrote: Can anyone tell me if the ATI mobility HD 5830 will work in fedora 12 - 2-D is sufficient - its on an HP laptop that look sinteresting but I've only used nvidia till now. So looking for any info on whether this will work in fedora Well, it should work with the generic unaccelerated vesa driver… Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI graphics mobility 5830 - does it work?
Marko Vojinovic wrote: * No widescreen support --- vesa can deliver only standard resolutions like 800x600, 1024x768 and 1280x1024, whereas I believe all modern laptops have widescreen displays nowdays --- so the picture will probably be stretched. This depends on the hardware. Some hardware has nonstandard VESA modes for widescreen resolutions, some doesn't. It's hard to tell in advance whether that laptop will have them or not. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI graphics mobility 5830 - does it work?
Marko Vojinovic wrote: * you can buy the laptop and live with such graphics for at least a year or so (my wild guess), until ATI releases the specs for the card and the radeonhd developers implement a working driver. FYI, a first 2D-only (and I think XRender acceleration, i.e. 2D acceleration, is also not ready yet) UMS-only (userspace mode setting, no kernel mode setting) driver for the HD 5xxx (r8xx) series has been released to the community by ATI recently. (It seems they're now adopting the Intel model where they release driver source code before specs because it's faster for them to code the software than to clean up their specs.) 2D and 3D acceleration and kernel modesetting (KMS) are presumably coming soon, though no date has been given as far as I know. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Zen kernel, what are advantages if any?
Antonio Olivares wrote: I have read a bit about the zen kernel http://zen-kernel.org/ Looks like this is a fork of the kernel Linux which hopes for confusion with Xen to grab people's attention. They're merging several patches. Some of the stuff they ship (e.g. btrfs) is also shipped in the Fedora kernels and should be headed for upstream soon (but e.g. btrfs is not ready for production use, it's not the default in Fedora for a reason, we ship it only for testing purposes). Some other stuff (I've noticed at least reiser4 and tuxonice) has been rejected outright and is likely to never make it into the upstream or Fedora kernel, or at least not without significant changes. And some of the stuff they merge is just additional modules which could be built as out-of-tree modules just as well. I think the Fedora kernel maintainers have more expertise about what patches are reliable enough for production use and maintainable in the long run than those merge everything folks. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Brian Mury wrote: I disagree. As I posted earlier in this thread, my 9200 (rv280) does *not* work with the current drivers. Booting with KMS I get 2D and 3D that are both so slow they are unusable for many tasks (even watching a low resolution video pins the CPU and drops more frames than it plays). Booting with UMS I get good speed, but random X crashes - and 3D will almost always completely freeze the computer. I end up having to reboot just so I can, say, run Google Earth for a couple minutes, then reboot again to continue with what I was doing before. I have a ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) and I'm running F12 with KMS enabled, 2D works perfectly, 3D is sometimes a bit stuttery (i.e. it freezes on a frame for a small fraction of a second, not enough to be seen as an outright freeze, but enough to be seen as frame jumping), but otherwise it just works. It did have several issues (crashes, assertion failures) on F11, and there was one assertion failure in Extreme Tux Racer in the F12 release, but that got fixed in the updates. (But it's true F10 was best. The drivers got refactored to work with the latest X11 driver technologies and there were some regressions in the process.) Now if you're expecting a performance beast, perhaps you're expecting too much from a Radeon 9200? (FYI, even current Intel integrated chipsets (GM965) perform better.) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem with a large partition
arag...@dcsnow.com wrote: ACK! Stupid server tricked me. It did not have a DVD drive so I couldn't use my usual Fedora 12 DVD which is X64. I downloaded the live CD and assumed that it was 64bit. :/ Thank you for pointing that out. Time for a reinstall. Both the DVD and the live CDs are available in both 32 and 64-bit versions. Unfortunately, the default download is the 32-bit version and it only says that in fine print. :-( (IMHO, 64-bit should be the default, people should try the 64-bit version first, chances are it'll work, and if not it should just tell them to fetch the legacy version.) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
, in that price range it's almost certainly a supported one (good luck finding a HD 5xxx / r8xx for EUR 30). And the cheap low-end cards are usually passively cooled, too. If they cannot install Linux, then we have lost a user to Windows. I would rather see nVidia getting their money than Microsoft. But that is me. I don't see any difference. In both cases they're paying for and using proprietary software. (Yes, the NVidia driver is technically gratis, but you pay for it through the hardware. Which is actually the model Window$ is often using too, see the bundled OEM installs.) Lets not forget that part of our goal is to get more and more people to use Linux as well as supporting OSS. This type of debate, though good for the more advance community isn't good for the new user that wants to play Tux Racer and watch You Tube videos. There's also Free Software which works with YouTube, see Gnash and Swfdec. And they're now phasing in HTML5 support. (That said, software patents are an issue there. We haven't won until they support Ogg Theora with HTML5.) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blacklisting Nouveau
Robin Laing wrote: I would really appreciate it if nVidia, ATI or Intel would create RPM's for their own cards so we could deal with them directly. Of course if you have a bug, then you have to remove the driver to get any support. That's not how driver distribution works in the GNU/Linux world. The distributions (or in some cases, third-party repositories such as RPM Fusion) are responsible for providing packages including drivers, not the hardware manufacturers. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kde preferences setting in gnome?
Petrus de Calguarium wrote: I gather you are using Gnome, but want to use some KDE programs. Likely, you would do best to go into KDE and set it up correctly there, then go back into Gnome and hopefully all will work okay. Maybe you could just run systemsettings from within gnome, too? Yes, System Settings can be fired up under any X11 environment, just execute the systemsettings command. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: wireless adapter stops working after update
Peter Lesterhuis wrote: Still it is weird that when I reinstall fedora 12 from DVD the wirelss card is working, only after updating it stops working. Also when I boot Ubunto from cd it is working. There might be a bug in the driver which made it ignore the killswitch (and which got fixed in the update). Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Document Viewer can not open latest PDF?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Just to be clear, I am not complaining that real cdrecord is not included, I'm complaining that something else which works differently is called cdrecord, and if I forget to put in the real thing I wind up with f___ing $3 Blu-Ray coasters! I don't care if it is compatible at the command line level, just that it is compatible at the works correctly level. Don't use wodim for Blu-Ray (nor DVDs), use growisofs, that's what it's for. http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/Blu-ray/ K3b only ever uses cdrecord or wodim for CDs. For DVDs, and in the latest beta version which adds Blu-Ray support, for Blu-Ray, it uses growisofs instead. It does that for a reason. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11: how to update Eclipse and Netbeans
Peter Boy wrote: similiar question here, but regarding F12. Is there a chance to get an Netbeans 6.8 Fedora package as an update or does the Fedora policy prevent is (as it is in RHEL)? The policy doesn't prevent it, but it may be impractical due to all the dependencies needing upgrading. (Fedora doesn't ship huge monolithic packages with bundled JARs, but packages each JAR separately.) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility X1600] Yeah, that's r5xx alright, support for it was added with the Fedora 9 update FEDORA-2008-5567 on July 2, 2008 as written in its update notes. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Tim wrote: Very easy to say, not so easy to do for some people. And even when you have a few shops to visit, the same thing applies: They carry new cards, and only a few in stock. Ordering in as they need. The don't sell old cards. You are going to get nowhere going to a shop asking to buy a card made 18 months ago, because you need one that old so you can have working drivers for it. The supported chipsets may be 18 months old, but the cards with them are still produced, as really cheap low-end cards with passive cooling. (Fedora 12 now supports the HD 2xxx/3xxx (r6xx) and HD 4xxx (r7xx) cards, see mesa- dri-drivers-experimental for 3D support.) Now to be fair I don't know how things are in Australia, but here in Austria (note to the geography- challenged readers: that's pretty much on the other side of the planet!) there are plenty of places selling them, several of which have stores in Vienna where I could just pick them up, no shipping. Is there really nothing older than the not-yet-supported HD 5xxx (r8xx) series being sold Down Under? Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12 and 11 KDE - No Sound
Chris Ross wrote: Although the Input Devices tab shows ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller the Output Devices tab shows only the NULL device. Selecting Show - Hardware Output Devices simply says No output devices available. Why would that be and where can I tell PulseAudio to look for audio hardware? Do you have something running in the background which may be monopolizing your sound hardware? ALL sound-using apps MUST go through PulseAudio for things to work properly. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Document Viewer can not open latest PDF?
Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: That NIH insists on using Adobe Reader is indeed disturbing. But then, what is the alternative to Adobe Reader, if free software apparently does not support the latest PDF? Paper, as they have used in the past? A set of regular PDFs, one per form (and the fancy JavaScript-loaded crap as an alternative for the people who can't figure it out)? There are plenty of alternatives which wouldn't lock users into proprietary software. You should not give those bureaucrats a free pass for this! (That you have to deal with it is one thing, but that you then defend their unreasonable choice doesn't make sense.) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: A sound observation
Ed Greshko wrote: First of all I don't know why you use we. I don't think you speak for the Fedora Project. (OK, I'm very sure you don't speak for the Fedora Project) I discount most of what you say. I am a Fedora KDE packager, so I say we when I speak of the KDE SIG in particular or Fedora packagers in general. (In this case, it was about how KDE is set up in Fedora, so I obviously meant we as in the Fedora KDE packagers. And yes, I'm one of the decision-makers in KDE SIG.) Second, I know that within the Fedora KDE release pulseaudio is installed by default. But, unlike GNOME one can easily dispense with pulseaudio with KDE installed from the start. PulseAudio is getting more and more integrated in KDE as well. See e.g.: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_PulseAudio_Integration Third, sound worked just fine on my VM's prior to an update. That's because you installed from the F12 KDE spin which had a packaging mistake which made Phonon not use PulseAudio. As a result, Phonon would grab the sound device directly and prevent PulseAudio from grabbing it. The update you complain about is probably the one which fixed that issue. (Phonon does use PulseAudio now in F12 + updates.) Others have had their issues with pulse audio even without VMware. Not all of those are PulseAudio's fault. Sure, PulseAudio also has bugs, but most of the issues are caused either by broken applications or by broken ALSA drivers. Many of those issues have already been fixed. PulseAudio itself also gets many bugfixes. IMHO, pulseaudio is a work in progress. Almost all software is. That doesn't mean it's not already usable now. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder
Marko Vojinovic wrote: Then it is a matter of one yum install. This example will probably cover most common players: yum install gstreamer-plugins-ugly audacious-plugins-freeworld-mp3 xmms-mp3 xine-lib-extras-freeworld is also a common one (e.g. KDE's Phonon uses xine- lib by default, a few other apps do too). Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: program to read electronic books
Waleed Harbi wrote: *Here they are: http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/58592 That link: * only talks about PDFs. There are many other e-book formats. * is completely outdated, e.g. it lists Kpdf (which has been replaced by Okular since Fedora 9) and it claims Okular is not ready for production use (which was true back in 2006 when it was written, but not anymore now). Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Robin Laing wrote: There is a supposed to be 3D support work through Gallium3D. Now this is not an option with Fedora as they don't make a RPM for this package. Maybe it isn't ready yet. I don't know. Without this, I cannot test the Nouveau driver. It's really not ready. Fedora is quick to offer stuff which works even if it is experimental. Right now it just doesn't work, unfortunately. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Robin Laing wrote: I purchased two new computers (1 laptop) last year. In both cases I chose nVidia video because I know that they work. Even in F12 and KDE. I have had Intel video cards and had to replace them with nVidia to get applications to work properly. Weird, the Intel GM965 on my laptop just works for me. I have been burned by ATI's support for Linux in the past, and that has left a sour taste in my mouth. Except the current recommended driver is the Free Software one, which is completely different from the one you've been burned by in the past. There is now support for all the pre-HD models installed by default and experimental, but mostly working, support for HD models up to HD 4xxx (up to r7xx in internal naming) in the mesa-dri-drivers-experimental package. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Marko Vojinovic wrote: You mean as in nVidia drivers taking a week or so to adjust to new kernel version and reach rpmfusion? Wow, that's a bummer! So you suggest we all opt to use ATI drivers which don't work at all on current X for several months now, basically since F12 appeared? And who knows when (or if) they will actually start supporting modern X? You are saying that we should abandon closed source drivers for cards which work and are well supported by nVidia, and instead use closed source drivers which don't work and have lousy (if any) Linux support from ATI? Call me stupid, but I don't understand your argument. As others have explained, this is a strawman, i.e. you're misrepresenting or misunderstanding my position. I DO NOT RECOMMEND using the proprietary ATI drivers or ANY other non-Free driver!!! What I recommend is using one of the following: * Intel integrated graphics (the desktop/laptop versions, NOT the GMA500/Poulsbo which is NOT supported by the Free intel driver) with the Free intel driver. * ATI Radeon cards from the r1xx-r5xx series (basically, the ones without HD in the name) with the Free radeon driver. * If you don't mind experimental 3D support, ATI Radeon cards from the r6xx or r7xx series (Radeon HD cards up to HD 4xxx) with the Free radeon driver (see the mesa-dri-drivers-experimental package in F12). But as they say, YMMV. Use an older Radeon or an Intel chip if you want something stable now. All of these are supported with 3D/OpenGL acceleration in the Free (as in speech) drivers. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Marko Vojinovic wrote: AFAIK, nVidia is locked up in closed source licences and non-disclosure agreements, and that is the only reason why they don't provide specs and open source drivers. It appears nVidia has good will, but legal issues are a showstopper. That's bullshit. There are repeated public statements from NVidia that they don't see any market or demand for open source (Free Software) drivers and that therefore they don't care. Don't delude yourself! And the fact that they provide support next to none (of their closed source drivers) demonstrates that they *do* care about Linux market, and do take the community support seriously. I disagree. Providing proprietary drivers is NOT providing support to Free Software or GNU/Linux. (In fact it's worse than doing nothing because some people who would otherwise help the Nouveau project are content with using the proprietary crap.) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Marko Vojinovic wrote: As for 3D and closed source drivers... If you buy a nVidia card, you can use their closed source drivers, and they basically Just Work. If you buy an ATI card, you can use... oops, sorry... you *cannot* use their closed source drivers, because they do not support your version of X. Or you can opt for open source radeon driver... oops, sorry... you *cannot* opt for radeon(hd) driver Up to HD 4xxx is now supported by mesa-dri-drivers-experimental. because ATI did *not* disclose the specs for their HD family of cards. Not true. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: which version of fedora to install
Bill Davidsen wrote: You should read the similar thread which has been going on for about a week (actually should have before asking), some people have had serious issues with video support for F12. Graphics actually work better in F12 than F11 for my Radeon 9200SE (r2xx series) and just as well for the Intel GM965 on my laptop. This is very much hardware-specific. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: which version of fedora to install
Prabhakar Pandey wrote: so can anybody tell me which one should i install f11 or f12 ?? In general, the latest version is always the best choice. I'd recommend Fedora 12, it's working great for me. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blacklisting Nouveau
Roger wrote: Please explain how Nouveau is the best. Read my comments below before responding! It's the best available in Free Software. The nvidia driver is NOT Free Software. Fedora supports Free Software and ONLY Free Software. So we ship Nouveau. May I suggest you visit the Blender.org site and research the hundreds, if not thousands of ways 3D is used and required. As 3D is a requirement for serious and conceptual archeitectural, engineering, scientific, marine and landscape design, Ot University and others use 3D for graphics as do many many commercial advertising companies. Please explain why these should be disregarded due to difficult installation requirements. We are succeeding in getting more users over to Linux and Open Source than ever before. Please explain the above which comment suggests that we should forgo these because one Open Source application is not up to scratch. That is unacceptable. You don't need to forgo 3D software, you just need to choose supported hardware, which is basically everything not made by NVidia (OK, there's also the Intel GMA500 Poulsbo netbook graphics chip and ATI Radeon HD = 5000 (r8xx, codename evergreen) chips which are not supported at this time, but everything else made by Intel and ATI/AMD in the last few years has working 3D support in the Free drivers). Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Marko Vojinovic wrote: Suppose I am a newbie for computers, and I decided to buy the latestgreatest in available hardware Then you're already making a mistake. The latest hardware isn't always the best. Especially not when it comes to driver support. It's just a big waste of money. So when I get to choose a graphics card for my new shiny desktop machine, which of the two do you recommend to work better in Fedora? (1) ATI Radeon HD 5970, or (2) nVidia Quadro FX 5800 Neither. They're both complete no gos. There are no open source 3D drivers for either of these two cards, right? Right, thus they are both not an option. Ok, now go back and reread my initial comment above. I still don't understand recommending ATI. I don't recommend just ATI, I recommend ATI = Radeon HD 4xxx. Or Intel GMA integrated graphics (except the Poulsbo/GMA500, but that one isn't likely to end up in desktops anyway, it's a netbook chip) if you're getting a new motherboard anyway. So, which of the two vendors supports its hardware better for Linux platforms? Mind you, I did not say supports open source cause and free as in speech stuff, i said supports its *hardware*. Supporting hardware with binary-only proprietary drivers is not (properly) supporting the hardware under GNU/Linux, a Free Software operating system. And where are the specs for the card (1) above? Where is that famous Free as in speech support from ATI when it comes down to non-obsolete hardware like that? They are just a bunch of hypocrites who claim to support the whole Free idea, but only when their technology secrets become obsolete. And you are falling for that, and persuading others to follow. I'm not, I recommend Intel above ATI. But ATI is still worlds better than NVidia! There's a wide range of models already having working 3D support in Free Software, thanks to specs having been released. NVidia didn't release ANY specs to the Nouveau project, not even for their legacy models they won't even support with current drivers anymore (just with poorly-maintained legacy branches which lag behind in support for current kernel and X.Org versions and which will never get features like support for the latest XRandR specs which are required to work properly in modern KDE). You are basically listing hardware that is either inferior in performance or is going to become obsolete in a year. Hardware which also saves you money, it's certainly much less expensive than the latestgreatest (which is actually not that great as it requires proprietary drivers)! Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Bruno Wolff III wrote: And much cheaper hadrware. And possibly passively cooled hardware that is quieter. (The 9200 was a really card for its time. It was inexpensive and didn't need a separate fan.) That's also a good point. It's a good argument for an integrated Intel GMA chipset, as those normally don't require active cooling. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Marko Vojinovic wrote: And who supports their own hardware at all? Opensource-ness is immaterial here, ATI doesn't have *any* drivers which would work in F12, for their own latestgreatest graphics card. Who cares? That card is too expensive anyway! At an Austrian price comparison site (but I doubt it's very different elsewhere), the cheapest card with that Radeon HD 5970 costs EUR 529.20!!! The cheapest supported model is an X1550 at EUR 20.40, the next cheapest an HD 3450 (should work with mesa-dri-drivers-experimental) at EUR 22.10. Even an HD 4350 (should also work with mesa-dri-drivers-experimental) can be had at only EUR 24.48. (Note: Those are all PCI-Express cards.) Those cards are over 20 times cheaper! And they're also passively cooled, so you also save power (and thus even more money) and noise. And the chip itself probably also draws less power. Why throw out EUR 500 + energy costs + your freedom just to have the latest? Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mahjongg gone missing?
N James Bridge wrote: I just have and it doesn't work. All the other games work, but mahjongg is no longer in the menu and if I try to run it from a terminal I get this: (mahjongg:2863): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_ascii_strncasecmp: assertion `s2 != NULL' failed 10 times over and then ** (mahjongg:2863): WARNING **: Too few tiles in map map Segmentation fault Please file a bug in Bugzilla to get it fixed. In the meantime, you'll find a working Mahjongg game in the kdegames package. :-) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI/Radeon HD 4200 driver (on mobo)
Gene Smith wrote: With mesa experimental, compiz enable fails. Also, in kde desktop effect enable, can only enable raster compositiong and not OpenGL compositing (which disables certain features). Try enabling OpenGL compositing with the disable functionality checks option (i.e. forcing it). Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network Audio
Greg Woods wrote: What I really need is a way for old apps that are not PulseAudio-aware to work along with using PulseAudio. I presume that isn't possible? I have had to remove PulseAudio from most of my desktops for this reason. Most just work (ALSA plugin, ESD emulation), for those who still use the obsolete OSS (Open Sound System, i.e. the /dev/dsp device), try padsp. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Blacklisting Nouveau
Roger wrote: Please Fedora get rid of nouveau until it's the same quality as Fedora. Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver available for that hardware. We do not support proprietary drivers, or any other proprietary software really, if you want to install that stuff, you're on your own. As far as we're concerned, it does not exist. Proprietary drivers are just plain not an option for us to ship, and we can't fix any issues in them, so we can't really do anything other than ignoring them. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Document Viewer can not open latest PDF?
Marc Wilson wrote: No, that's a licensing problem. CDRecord's license is incompatible with the GPL. That's not the problem. The problem is that parts of it are GPL and parts are incompatible with the GPL, so the licensing is incompatible with itself and so the software cannot be distributed under any license. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't burn CD iso in F12
Rick Stevens wrote: Can you try a command line burn? Something like: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=/path/to/.iso/file and see if that works? It often does for me when the GUI stuff fails. Uh, growisofs is for DVDs, you'll want to use wodim for CDs. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: nouveau on a kernel.org kernel not official Fedora kernel?
Antonio Olivares wrote: I have compiled a kernel from kernel.org(2.6.30) to make a working kernel module for a dialup winmodem. Can't this be made to work with the existing Fedora kernel (using kernel- devel to build as modules are supposed to)? I copied exactly the Fedora config for the kernel without any modifications, the kernel starts up fine, but X does not work. I know that I can use the nvidia binary driver here, but is there an easy way to make noveau work here? You need to apply the Nouveau backports the Fedora kernel applies. They're all in the SRPM and in Fedora's CVS. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Difference between g++ and c++?
Gilboa Davara wrote: No idea why the packages isn't using symbolic links instead of packaging the same files 4 times... It's not packaging the same file 4 times (that's just what it looks like to somebody unfamiliar with hardlinks), it's using hardlinks. :-) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12 Installation problem
Joe Woodruff wrote: After re-starting computer and logging into root, only get CLI operability and can't seem to get a GUI. Text-mode installs default to not starting X11 by default. After logging in as root, run: sed -i -e 's/id:3:initdefault/id:5:initdefault/g' /etc/inittab Alternatively, if you don't like long magic commands, you can do this with an editor. Run: nano /etc/inittab move the cursor to the 3 in: id:3:initdefault press [Del] and enter a 5 instead. Save with Ctrl+o Enter and quit with Ctrl+x. Then reboot and you'll get your GUI. To get the graphical startup if your video hardware supports it, add rhgb to the kernel command line in the /boot/grub/grub.conf file. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Linux C++ compiler
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Type info g++ at a console window. Take the time to learn how to use info as you'll find it useful, especially for Gnu software. Alternatively, try info:g++ in a Konqueror window. :-) For the console, you might prefer pinfo to info. (It uses the more intuitive Lynx-style key bindings as opposed to info's Emacs-style insanity.) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
Chris Smart wrote: A decent, well integrated Qt browser is still a major missing component of KDE and doesn't appear to be coming any time soon. It's already there, it's called Konqueror. :-) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help, (Fedora 8 is no longer supported)
Kevin Martin wrote: perhaps his system won't allow him to run anything later than FC8. Perhaps his system is running an Intel Video chipset that won't come up with the stupid new Intel video drivers and Xorg (I know from experience as I have a system that is in that exact state and no amount of google searching has been able to offer a solution (and I'm talking hours and days of searching)). When have you last tested it? F12? Try the F13 nightly composes (or F13 Alpha when it's out) maybe? Have you tried the usual debugging parameters like nomodeset? Essentially, my point being that answering that FC8 is no longer supported doesn't address the problem. Granted, the original subject line was lacking but telling somebody to update to later Fedora versions is not an answer that can be achieved in some cases. It's the only answer that makes sense. Running F8 now (or any other no longer supported release) is asking for your machine to get rooted by some cracker. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: having problems running Cmake
Jim wrote: CMake Error: your CXX compiler: CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER-NOTFOUND was not found. Please set CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER to a valid compiler path or name. This one is in the gcc-c++ package, as Rex Dieter already answered. CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:84 (MESSAGE): ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in And this one is in kdelibs-devel. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE apps and freetype-freeworld's bytecode interpreter
Vassili Zaitsev wrote: The curious thing is, in the case of Gtk applications such as the GIMP, Firefox, Thunderbird, Seamonkey and GNOME MPlayer, the fully-hinted MS fonts are displayed correctly, in all their sharp, bytecode-interpreted grandeur whereas in KDE applications the same fonts just look ragged, much as if the BCI had been left uncompiled. Did you restart your session after installing freetype-freeworld? KDE apps are often run though the kdeinit4 hack which basically lets a kdeinit4 executable fork and load the app as a shared library to reduce loading time, but this means they won't pick up the changed freetype until kdeinit4 is restarted. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 'R' statistics package install on Fedora 12
Ed Greshko wrote: Already packaged for F12 yum info R By the way, for a minimum R installation, you need just R-core. The main R package is set up so that it also pulls in all the development stuff, so that you can build R modules/packages from source. But if the basic set of R packages packaged in Fedora is not sufficient for you, you'll have to do that anyway. R provides automatic commands for that in its UI, so it should be easy, but this does indeed need the development stuff and not just R-core to work. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: radeon driver heading in wrong direction :-(.
Ed Greshko wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Recommending proprietary drivers in general and NVidia in particular is a very bad idea, they'll come to bite you in the ass sooner or later, and with NVidia there's no alternative with OpenGL support. (Nouveau reportedly works great for 2D these days though.) I've been waiting for over 3 years now to get bitten.. Either you were extremely lucky or you didn't even realize your problems were caused by the proprietary drivers or you're just putting up with the problems (such as the driver not supporting the current Fedora when it gets released, it happened several times with NVidia too) without realizing they're avoidable. Probably all 3 of those. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Will Firefox 3.6 be pushed?
Scott Beamer wrote: If your not otherwise using sqlite you can grab Firefox 3.6 from Rawhide. I'm running it now. yum --enablerepo=rawhide update firefox You'll get an update for firefox, xulrunner and sqlite. DO NOT DO THIS! A lot of stuff uses sqlite or xulrunner, you'll end up with many things upgraded to Rawhide versions in most cases, ending up in an unsupportable mix of F12 and Rawhide. You have been warned! Folks, please STOP recommending --enablerepo=rawhide as a solution to anything, it's almost always the wrong answer. The ONLY valid use of --enablerepo=rawhide is yum --enablerepo=rawhide update (i.e. upgrade to Rawhide entirely, with all the resulting breakage, i.e. NOT something I'd recommend to the average user). Selective upgrades are NOT SUPPORTED and will in almost all cases NOT work as expected due to chains of dependencies and reverse dependencies dragging in a lot of stuff. A less dangerous solution is to use Remi Collet's repository at http://blog.famillecollet.com/ . Remi actually builds the current Firefox for F12, so you don't end up with a dependency mess. But a word of warning about Firefox 3.6: don't upgrade to 3.6 (no matter how) if you use the OpenJDK plugin, as it has not been ported yet. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12 update problem
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Try updating yum first: yum update yum Actually this is a PackageKit bug, so yum update PackageKit is a better idea. :-) Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: QTParted - normal behaviour or BZ?
Marc Wilson wrote: If it's *supposed* to produce that shiny dialog box (quick look at source will tell you), and it doesn't, then it should have a bug filed against it with Fedora. If it's not supposed to, and you think it should, then it's an upstream request. A GUI app is definitely supposed to output errors in a GUI dialog box, not on stderr. GUI apps are usually not run in a terminal. It's easy to pop up an error dialog in Qt, there's no excuse not to do it. Kevin Kofler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
