My nvidia F40 update journey

[Neal Becker]

Not as bad perhaps as some of your experiences, because I'm using nvidia
GPU for M/L on a remote server and not for desktop display.

After update the nvidia driver is not loaded.  Tried rebooting a couple of
times since sometimes akmod seems to need this.

Manually loading the driver
modprobe nvidia
I get an error message that there is no driver in /lib/modules,...

Finally I manually run
depmod -a

Then reboot again.
Now nvidia driver is loaded and nvidia-smi reports success.

My question is:
Why did I need to manually run depmod -a?
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pulseaudio misbehaviour on remote

[Neal Becker]

I'm running a connection to a remote server via x2go.  The remote desktop
is xfce.
When I leave this unattended for some time, I come back to find that
pulseaudio is sucking 64GB of VM.  Needless to say, I don't really need PA
running on it, but I haven't seen how to disable it.  Also this seems like
a bug, PA has no business using 64GB of VM.

I've just been killing it when I notice, but I'd rather fix the problem.

Any thoughts?
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If X11 login goes, what happens with x2go?

[Neal Becker]

I totally depend on x2go for connection to my remote server.  With f40,
what happens?  Is login to X11 desktop supported?  I assume this is
required for x2go to work.
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Re: Failed to start jobs message from today's F39 update

[Neal Becker]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 2:50 PM Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 03/12/2024 12:33 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> > Failed to start jobs: Failed to enqueue some jobs, see logs for details:
> > Invalid argument
> >
> > Should I worry?  I don't even know what armadillo is.
>
> Did you look at the logs and if not, why not?  Checking Wikipedia,
> armadillo is a C++ library for linear algebra.
>

I didn't search, because I don't know an easy way to do it.  Back when
syslog was text it was easy.
Let's try:
journalctl -g 'Failed to start jobs:'
...
Mar 13 07:17:37 nbecker0 packagekitd[723125]: Failed to start jobs: Failed
to enqueue some jobs, see logs for details: Invalid argument

OK, that still tells me nothing.  I need to see the lines before this, and
maybe after.  Any ideas?
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Failed to start jobs message from today's F39 update

[Neal Becker]

Running today's dnf update:
...
  Running scriptlet: grub2-common-1:2.06-118.fc39.noarch
 32/32
 Running scriptlet: armadillo-12.8.0-1.fc39.x86_64
  32/32
Failed to start jobs: Failed to enqueue some jobs, see logs for details:
Invalid argument

Should I worry?  I don't even know what armadillo is.
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Re: google-chrome-stable update fails today on gpg keys

[Neal Becker]

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 9:17 AM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:06:44 -0500
> Neal Becker wrote:
>
> > running /etc/cron.daily/google-chrome gives:
>
> I just ignore any gibberish it prints and do the update again,
> always seems to work for me.
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>

Thanks!  Rubbish ignored.  I took those messages as errors, seems they are
just noise.
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Re: google-chrome-stable update fails today on gpg keys

[Neal Becker]

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 8:58 AM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 07:46:15 -0500
> Neal Becker wrote:
>
> > The GPG keys listed for the "google-chrome" repository are already
> > installed but they are not correct for this package.
>
> After getting this many times, I finally figured out I need to
> manually run /etc/cron.daily/google-chrome to get new keys
> (the install from the google rpm sets this up, but doesn't
> always get run in time for the next update to work).
> --
>

running /etc/cron.daily/google-chrome gives:

warning: Certificate A040830F7FAC5991:
  Policy rejects subkey 4F30B6B4C07CB649: Policy rejected asymmetric
algorithm
warning: Certificate 7721F63BD38B4796:
  Subkey 1397BC53640DB551 is expired: The subkey is not live
  Subkey 78BD65473CB3BD13 is expired: The subkey is not live
  Subkey 6494C6D6997C215E is expired: The subkey is not live
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google-chrome-stable update fails today on gpg keys

[Neal Becker]

Today's dnf update fails with:

The GPG keys listed for the "google-chrome" repository are already
installed but they are not correct for this package.
Check that the correct key URLs are configured for this repository..
Failing package is: google-chrome-stable-121.0.6167.184-1.x86_64
 GPG Keys are configured as:
https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub
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Re: 6.6.x kernels do not boot successfully

[Neal Becker]

>
> At the boot menu, edit the grub command line and remove the "rghb quiet"
> from the end before booting.  Then see where it gets stuck.
>
Just to note, you don't need to edit command line, just hit esc while
booting will show messages.
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Re: printer only prints in flip mode

[Neal Becker]

I have a similar-sounding brother laserprinter.  I hate to say it, but I
found the available open-source driver didn't produce correct output with
mine, I had to use the proprietary driver from
brother: hll2395dwpdrv-4.0.0-1.i386.rpm

On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 4:03 PM Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Dec 2023, George N. White III wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 12:04?AM Michael Hennebry <
> > henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> My Brother HL-L2360DW B laser printer
> >> is only printing in flip mode,
> >> i.e., when it prints 8.5x11 two-sided portrait,
> >> to read the back page, one must flip it vertically
> >> by a short side, rather that horizontally by a long edge.
> >>
> >
> > I think there have been changes to the PPD options for this.  How are you
> > connecting the
> > printer -- wifi or USB?
>
> USB
> When I first tried to install the printer,
> there was no option for this model.
>
> >> The defaults for the printer is set to
> >> job-sheets=none, none media=na_letter_8.5x11in sides=two-sided-long-edge
> >> I've restarted CUPS on F38.
> >> The problem occurs with both gedit and vim.
> >> In the case of gedit, page setup tells me I've set it up correctly,
> >> but it still does the wrong thing.
>
> > Is this a new install or was the printer working under Fedora in the
> past?
>
> In worked under F35.
>
> > That printer claims to support AirPrint, so should work with IPP
> > Everywhere, but there are
> > also legacy CUPS PPD files
>
> I have a separately downloaded brother-HLL2360D-cups-en.ppd from 2020.
> Apparently it did not work.
>
> With F35, I had to download and build some code, brlaser, to make it work.
> With F38, I am using package printer-driver-brlaser.x86_64 from updates.
> Said package apparently defined "Model"
> Brother HL-L2360D series, using brlaser v6 (en)  .
> The "Model" listed as current lacks the (en) .
>
> > See: 
> >
>
> > See: 
>
> Not seeing a lot info information on either site.
> The latter seems to link to the source that was rpm'ed to make
> printer-driver-brlaser.x86_64 .
> Despite the name, I do not see memtion of specific problems.
>
> I really hate the poke it and see what happens method of repair,
> but I might be reduced to it.
>
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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Neal Becker]

On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 7:00 AM George N. White III  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 4:48 PM Tim Evans  wrote:
>
>> Brand New Dell XPS 15 coming tomorrow, to replace my venerable Lenovo
>> T530.  (Looking forward to something a little lighter to lug around.)
>>
>> It's been 10 years since I set the T530 up to dual-boot Fedora and
>> Windows.
>>
>> I'm sure I can figure out how to reduce the size of the Windows
>> partition to make space for Fedora, but am unsure of the process for
>> current PC BIOS and grub setup for dual boot. Or is the Fedora installer
>> smart enough to handle it for me?
>>
>> Are there docs for this?  Thanks.
>>
>
> You should check the LHWDB  for issues
> encountered by
> linux users (sometimes there are comments suggesting workarounds.
>
> You should use Windows tools to 1) update device firmware and 2) create
> "free space"
> for linux.  Dell has the "SupportAssist" app you should run immediately to
> update
> firmware and verify that everything works properly.   On my Dell I need to
> use F2 to
> get to the "BIOS" configuration, and "F12" to get a list of boot options.
> The problem is
> that the system starts faster than my monitor (using DP to HDMI adapter
> cable) wakes
> up so on cold boot I have to guess about the timing to hit a function
> key.  I usually end
> up in Windows a couple times before I get into the BIOS screen I want.
>
> The Windows tools have changed with recent updates to Windows 11
> as I discovered when installing F39 on a Dell desktop.  I just converted
> an existing linux partition to free space so didn't need to shrink the
> Windows
> partition.  A common mistake is allowing Windows assign a drive letter to
> the free space -- the Fedora installer looks for "free space".
>
> About 1 yr back I installed fedora onto my wife's dell laptop with windows
10 for dual boot.  Despite significant and lengthy efforts to follow online
guides to get windows to free up space I never got that to work - windows
never gave up the space.  In the end installed into a spare 2G partition
instead.
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Re: Python code error in F39, but not in F38

[Neal Becker]

Start gdb python.  Set a breakpoint in the shared module.  continue.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 1:02 PM Ranjan Maitra via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Sun Nov19'23 05:35:19PM, Barry wrote:
> > From: Barry 
> > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 17:35:19 +
> > To: Community support for Fedora users 
>  >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is possible that there is a bug in the code itself, but nothing
> above
> > > points to my created code.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions? Or is this a bug?
> >
> > Are you using C extensions in your code? If so I would suspect them for
> corrupting python. I think you can get into gdb inside the core file with
> coredumpctl debug.
>
> The python code calls a shared object library that is written in C. But
> why does this core dump only happen in F39 (python 3.12) and not with
> F38 (python 3.11)?
>
> > What does “info shared” tell you about what code has been loaded into
> memory?
>
> This would be under gdb, I presume.
>
>
> > It is also worth trying to find the type of the object that is being
> deleted, _PyObject_Free will have pointer to the object.
> > Also not sure where siplib.c is from is it python or an extension?
>
> Thanks, I don't know either, but there is no siplib.c anywhere on either
> of my two systems.
>
> > I am assuming here that you are familiar with debugging with gdb.
>
> Thanks, I am familiar with using gdb for a C program, never used it with
> python code calling a C shared object.
>
> I tried:
>
> $ gdb python "./test.py ultadanga.tiff ultadanga-64-rgb.png 1 7"
> GNU gdb (Fedora Linux) 13.2-10.fc39
> Copyright (C) 2023 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <
> http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
> There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
> Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details.
> This GDB was configured as "x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu".
> Type "show configuration" for configuration details.
> For bug reporting instructions, please see:
> .
> Find the GDB manual and other documentation resources online at:
> .
>
> For help, type "help".
> Type "apropos word" to search for commands related to "word"...
> Reading symbols from python...
>
> This GDB supports auto-downloading debuginfo from the following URLs:
>   
> Enable debuginfod for this session? (y or [n]) y
> Debuginfod has been enabled.
> To make this setting permanent, add 'set debuginfod enabled on' to
> .gdbinit.
> Reading symbols from
> /home/localuser/.cache/debuginfod_client/07023eb4f297ae1d4591e--Type 
> for more, q to quit, c to continue without paging--
> c808ab20b2788c542be/debuginfo...
> ./test.py ultadanga.tiff ultadanga-64-rgb.png 1 7: No such file or
> directory.
> (gdb)
>
>
> Not quite sure how to proceed here.
>
> Many thanks again, and best wishes,
> Ranjan
>
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upgrade f38->f39 via discover?

[Neal Becker]

I've always upgraded manually using dnf system-upgrade. I have a laptop
running F38 belonging to my wife.  She got a notification, I presume from
"discover", saying F39 upgrade is available.  I've never tried an upgrade
this way.  Just wondering if anyone has tried this upgrade route and what
was their experience?
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Re: emacs is hopeless

[Neal Becker]

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 12:17 PM Tom Horsley  wrote:

> I reported strange things with emacs earlier, but I thought it might be
> something wrong with my partially configured system.
>
> Nope, it is just plain busted. I've added this bug report:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2249379
>
> I guess I'll have to try building from the fedora 38 source rpm
> on fedora 39 and see if I can get a working emacs that way.
>

It emacs all day every day here, same as the last 30? years.

I'm using [copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:bhavin192:emacs-pretest] on 1
machine, although the stock emacs on another machine is working also.
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Re: Is AnyDesk any good?

[Neal Becker]

On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 3:22 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 11/9/23 03:31, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > On 11/8/23 22:55, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >> On 11/8/23 22:44, Peter Boy wrote:
>  I use the open-source rustdesk now.  I even use my own server for
>  it, but at this point, that requires the client to change that
> setting.
> >>>
> >>> Interesting, didn’t know that and will check it out. Does your
> >>> rustdesk server is running on Fedora?
> >>
> >> Yes, I'm running the discovery and relay servers on my Fedora server.
> >
> > Any third party selling time on their rust server?
>
> The people that make it: https://rustdesk.com/pricing.html


I have a similar problem.  My wife's mother is developing dementia.  We got
her a chromebook.  We would like to be able to remotely manage it for her,
but we need a solution that does not require her to take any action.
chrome remote desktop would not be an option because she would not be able
to understand the instructions to use it.

Any ideas?
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Re: Printer drivers and raw queues are deprecated

[Neal Becker]

On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 2:53 PM Ian Pilcher  wrote:

> On 10/31/23 11:10, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > The theory is that you shouldn't have to do anything except configure
> > the printer (in CUPS) to use DNSSD. That in turn depends on Avahi
> > working correctly. Try 'sudo avahi-browse -a -t' to make sure the
> > printer is visible.
>
> I just set up an Epson EcoTank inkjet printer.  Theoretically, it
> supports IPP Everywhere, AirPrint, and driverless printing, but it only
> accepts ESC/P-R datastreams, so color me skeptical about the wonderful
> driverless future.
>
Driverless sounds like a nice concept, but doesn't seem to work for me.  I
deleted the proprietary printer driver for my brother laser hl-l2395dw,
then on KDE try adding a printer.  It does detect the printer in the
"discovered printers" section I see a hll2395dw "driverless" option.  But
if I choose that, I'm prompted to fill in an ip address and some other info
(port?).  So I don't think this is actually working.  Choosing instead
Brother's proprietary driver works and connects via dnssd without asking me
for other info.
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Re: Printer drivers and raw queues are deprecated

[Neal Becker]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 1:47 PM Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> CUPS wrote:
> > Note:Printer drivers and raw queues are deprecated and will stop working
> in a
> future version of CUPS.
>
> Then what?
> It wrote that after I installed a Brother HL-L2360DW
> using the printer-driver-brlaser-6.2.6-1.fc38.x86_64 package.
> It provided the
> Brother HL-L2360D series, using brlaser v6 (en)
> option under model.
>
> If CUPS rejects my printer before it runs out of ink,
> will I have another option?
>
> I used  hll2395dwpdrv-4.0.0-1.i386.rpm from Brother downloads.
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Re: Google Chrome Update Question

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On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 7:46 PM Tim Evans  wrote:

> On 10/10/23 18:38, Tim Evans wrote:
> > Usually, dnf updates take care of updating Google Chrome.  Lately, for
> > the past week or so, however, there's a big pink button in Chrome's
> > status bar labeled "Update," but dnf insists I have the latest version
> > (google-chrome-stable-115.0.5790.110-1.x86_64).
> >
> > If you click this button, it tells you it's unable to update Chrome and
> > asks if you want to re-install.
> >
> > Is this just a new idiot light that means nothing, or is there some sort
> > of conflict with update versions?
>
> OK, for whatever unknown reason, /etc/yum.repos.d/google-chrome.repo had
> the 'enabled' flag set to 0.  Setting it to 1 allowed dnf to update
> Chrome to version 118.0.5993.70--and the pink button is gone.
>
> I see the same thing on another similarly behaving system, with the mod
> date on the file as July 26. There is an 'rpmnew' version of that file
> (dated 2/3/2022) with the same flag set to 0, but with another line that
> says "skip_if_unavailable=True" This line is not present in the
> currently used file.
>

Also, don't forget that you have to restart chrome after updating or you'll
continue to see the notification.
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distrobox not working?

[Neal Becker]

Just trying out distrobox on F38.  I have 2 issues.  One is it won't run a
container without root.  The other is I don't think it's actually working
at all.

 distrobox enter ubuntu-20
Container ubuntu-20 is not running.
Starting container ubuntu-20
run this command to follow along:

 podman logs -f ubuntu-20

Error: OCI runtime error: unable to start container
"46a0c000c02583c2d4c4fb1e329de7a0f1daddc1d4bc812e7d0e409a2a353a8b": crun:
error `creating` systemd unit
`libpod-46a0c000c02583c2d4c4fb1e329de7a0f1daddc1d4bc812e7d0e409a2a353a8b.scope`:
got `failed`

Now try with --root
[nbecker@ubuntu-20 ~]$ apt-get
bash: apt-get: command not found

OK, is this really a container running ubuntu?  Doesn't seem to be, there's
no apt-get.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: How to clean up Python in Fedora 38

[Neal Becker]

On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 8:09 PM George N. White III  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:55 AM Michael Hannon 
> wrote:
>
>> I think that the suggestions offered so far (environments, etc.) are all
>> very good, but another approach is to use the Anaconda distribution of
>> Python:
>>
>> https://www.anaconda.com/
>>
>> I use this distribution precisely to avoid any mixups with the Python
>> files that come with the OS distribution.  Note that the use of the
>> Anaconda version of Python doesn't preclude the use of pip, Python
>> environments, etc.
>>
>
> Another advantage is that Anaconda provides consistency across multiple
> linux distros, macOS, and Windows.
>
>
And a disadvantage to anaconda from my view is it's package management is
hard to navigate and poorly documented, at least in the limited time I
spent trying to grok it.  Maybe mamba will improve things.
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Re: GNU Emacs 29.1 in the repos?

[Neal Becker]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 7:35 PM Jonathan Billings 
wrote:

> On Aug 21, 2023, at 11:44, Gábor Papp  wrote:
>
> Good morning/afternoon/evening/night!
>
> I was just wondering when will Emacs 29.1 be available in the Fedora 38
> repos?
>
>
> Looks like it has only been built for Fedora 39 at this point.
>
> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2023-07e6003761
>
>
https://download.copr.fedorainfracloud.org/results/bhavin192/emacs-pretest/
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Re: window sharing broken with current F38+kde+wayland

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On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:13 AM Neal Becker  wrote:

> For online meetings I have always used share window (as opposed to sharing
> a chrome tab or entire screen).  Recently this has been broken.
>
> Using current F38+kde+wayland.
> Tested on teams and on google meet (same interface, must be part of KDE I
> think).
> If I select a window to share the tab for that window on the task manager
> disappears, which gives me no way to move my cursor to that window and do
> the presentation.
>
> I find share a screen still works fine, and I guess I'll have to use that
> for now.
>
> Seems some recent change.  Along with it also there is a change to the way
> the dialog for sharing appears, and for some reason you need to go through
> 2 different dialogs the confirm sharing 2 times.  This again is a recent
> change.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> After playing around some more I have some new observations:
1. logout/login seems to have cleared the problem.  The window I wanted to
share no longer has it's tab disappear making it impossible to select.
2. The strangeness of needing to go through 2 sharing dialogs is
kde/wayland.  If I use kde/X11 it still behaves the same as it did in the
past, and works fine.
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window sharing broken with current F38+kde+wayland

[Neal Becker]

For online meetings I have always used share window (as opposed to sharing
a chrome tab or entire screen).  Recently this has been broken.

Using current F38+kde+wayland.
Tested on teams and on google meet (same interface, must be part of KDE I
think).
If I select a window to share the tab for that window on the task manager
disappears, which gives me no way to move my cursor to that window and do
the presentation.

I find share a screen still works fine, and I guess I'll have to use that
for now.

Seems some recent change.  Along with it also there is a change to the way
the dialog for sharing appears, and for some reason you need to go through
2 different dialogs the confirm sharing 2 times.  This again is a recent
change.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: Screen casting - help wanted

[Neal Becker]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 3:56 AM Peter Boy  wrote:

> We have a new Quick Docs article about comparison of various screen
> casting tools in Fedora:
>
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/screencast-apps-comparison/
>
> Everybody who used such a tool more or less recently, please habe a short
> look at the article and provide us with feedback
>
> - is it adequate for Fedora 37/38/
> - is something wrong
> - is something missing
>
> You may use the Issue (bug) button in the bar below the blue header to
> easily open a feedback form.
>
> May thanks.
> Peter
>
> In many cases what I/you want to record might be from a web browser.  In
that case chrome has plugins to do the job.   I use "screen recorder".
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Re: shrinking Windows C: drive to make room for Linux

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On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 11:52 PM Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Thu, 2023-08-03 at 18:32 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> > I just went through this to install Fedora on my wife's laptop.  I
> > tried the windows shrink, but it would only free up 128MB of the 60GB
> > that should have been available.  I followed elaborate instructions
> > to tell windows not to use a paging file, and also turned off some
> > other feature that uses hidden space, but never got windows to free
> > up more than 128MB.  I gave up and stole the recovery partition,
> > which was 18GB.  Not much, but good enough for now.
>
> Asking the obvious:  Was the drive defragmented?
>
> I can't recall if I tried that.
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Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland

[Neal Becker]

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:28 AM wwp  wrote:

> Hello Tom,
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:35:29 -0400 Tom Horsley 
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:11:07 +0930
> > Tim via users wrote:
> >
> > > Aren't there options for that in the keyboard preferences any more?  Is
> > > gnome tweaks still around, does that offer anything?
> >
> > As near as I can tell (the last time I looked, anyway), wayland has
> > completely eviscerated all the ability to tweak keys and mouse buttons.
> > For my mouse, I implemented a hardware solution (which should work
> > for keyboards as well with additional microcode):
> >
> > https://tomhorsley.com/hardware/mouse-tailor/mouse-tailor.html
> >
> > :-).
>
> Just curious, does this mean that xbindkeys wouldn't work in wayland?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> I'm typing this on kde/wayland with caps lock as an alternate control, so
it is more than possible.
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Re: shrinking Windows C: drive to make room for Linux

[Neal Becker]

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 10:26 AM Bill Cunningham 
wrote:

>
> On 8/3/2023 6:14 AM, George N. White III wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 12:37 AM Michael Hennebry <
> henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
>
>> None of the hits I got from search made explicit that one
>> could shrink the C: partition even while it was in use.
>> They focused on getting around Windows shrink's liomitations.
>> From the list responses, I gather that one can
>> indeed srink the C: partition while it is in use.
>>
>
> I've been shrinking the Windows partition to make space for linux using
> Windows Disk Management for years.   There are caveats.  See:
>
> <
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/disk-management/shrink-a-basic-volume
> >
>
>
> --
> George N. White III
>
> One thing I have noticed while on the subject of partitions , is that most
> partition systems leave some extra space unaccounted for. I free this up
> with gparted myself. I haven't used windows to shrink a partition for a
> while and I am sure it does the same thing. Windows reports some space but
> not all of it, while gparted does report all the space.
>
> B
>
>
> I just went through this to install Fedora on my wife's laptop.  I tried
the windows shrink, but it would only free up 128MB of the 60GB that should
have been available.  I followed elaborate instructions to tell windows not
to use a paging file, and also turned off some other feature that uses
hidden space, but never got windows to free up more than 128MB.  I gave up
and stole the recovery partition, which was 18GB.  Not much, but good
enough for now.
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Re: Help needed: disabling system wide the Caps lock key in GNOME/Xwayland

[Neal Becker]

#!/bin/sh
setxkbmap -option caps:ctrl_modifier

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:16 PM Ron Flory via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On 8/2/2023 10:42 AM, Thomas wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I had that issue recently, the way I sorted it was with gsettings/dconf:
> >
> > gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.input-sources xkb-options
> "['ctrl:nocaps']"
> >
> > I suspect this is what gnome-tweaks does. Actually as far as I know,
> Wayland still sources xkb files, it's not very much documented but I recall
> having found a few places suggesting that (I use stock F38 with Gnome and
> Wayland).
> >
> > And thus see: man xkeyboard-config for a list of options which can be
> set, which is a bit wider than what gnome-tweaks propose.
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, at 15:56, murph nj wrote:
> >> Gnome tweaks has a simple solution to this.
> >>
> >> Install Tweaks through "Software" or
> >> dnf install gnome-tweaks
> >>
> >> Run Tweaks and go to the "Keyboard and Mouse" section.
> >> The 4th option down is an "Additional Layout options" button.
> >> There are many things you can remap the CapsLock key to, like Esc,
> ctrl, or
> >> my preference a Super key, since I usually use an IBM model M keyboard
> >> which does not have one.
> >>
> >> No need to revert back to X11, or any kind of hardware solution.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 3:31 PM Joachim Backes 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi gys,
> >>> I'm running F38 with *Gnome/X-Wayland*, and in my environment I do not
> need (hate it) the *Caps Lock* key.Question: How to realize the disabling
> system wide, and how to get it working again?
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Joachim Backes
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Fedora release 38 (Thirty Eight)
> >>> 6.4.7-200.fc38.x86_64
> >>>
> >>> Joachim Backes  <
> joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de>https://www-user.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes/
> >>>
> >>>
>
>   (hmmm, much top-posting up there)
>
>   Since nobody else has mentioned this (apologies if this does not
> address your needs, and you *really* hate the presence of the Caps-Lock
> key), but most motherboard BIOS's have a setting for startup "numlock
> state".  I always set mine to "Disabled" and it keeps the unwanted Caps
> keys away unless/until I explicitly (temporarily) enable them by hitting
> the Caps-Lock key.
>
> ron
>
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Re: Since F38 Upgrade, Thunderbird Opens as Tiny, Postage Stamp

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On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 9:56 AM Tim Evans  wrote:

> Should have asked about this sooner, as it's something I've seen since
> the very first F38 upgrade. Not sure if this is Fedora or Thunderbird
> issue.
>
> When Thunderbird opens, it does so postage-stamp size, way up in upper
> left hand corner of window, so small I almost missed it at first.
> Right-clicking "maximize" restores it to full screen display.
>
You didn't say which desktop environment you're using.  If you're using
kde, you can set properties on the app to start maximized.  On other
desktop environments there's probably a similar setting, but I don't know
it.

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slow startup chrome

[Neal Becker]

I'm sure it hasn't always been this way.  I'm using kde desktop.  After I
login, 1st thing I usually do is start chrome.  But recently when I do
this, chrome window doesn't appear for a long time.  Eventually, a dialog
box pops up asking me to unlock my wallet, or something like that.  As soon
as I close this dialog chrome window opens.  So something is causing chrome
to wait for wallet to open, and for some reason this doesn't happen for
about 30 sec or so.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: Disable btrfs memory swap file

[Neal Becker]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 5:20 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2023-06-26 at 23:48 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > I've got a Fedora 38 install (upgrade from F37). The install happened
> > with Anaconda. Anaconda created the compressed memory swap file. I
> > resized the disk and added a proper swap partition. Now I need to
> > modify /etc/fstab and disable the compressed memory swap file. In the
> > screen text below, /dev/nvme0n1p4 is the new partition.
> >
>
> What does this have to do with BTRFS? The compressed memory swap file
> is present in Fedora, no matter what filesystem you use.
>
> man zramctl
>
> poc
>

I have sometimes hit a bug in gcc that caused (infinite?) memory growth.
Tried clang?
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avoid nouveau with kernel 6.3?

[Neal Becker]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Avoid-Nouveau-Linux-6.3

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Re: Cannot install skypeforlinux

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Are you sure you even need to install an app?
https://www.skype.com/en/features/skype-web/
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Re: Chrome showing no text

[Neal Becker]

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 5:40 PM Neal Becker  wrote:

>
> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 2:17 PM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:13 PM steven stern  wrote:
>> >
>> > Something in one of the updates I installed today (but not Chrome) has
>> > broken chrome.  It's now showing any text.  Ideas?
>> > https://i.imgur.com/5DsPMMe.png
>>
>> Someone reported something similar on Reddit at r/Fedora,
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/138vba0/chrome_broken_after_today_update/
>> . Comment was made and it is already reported:
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2193335 .
>>
>> > (No, not using Chrome isn't really an option.)
>>
>> I just reported something similar here.  I switched to google-chrome-beta
>> and it's working fine.
>
>
I got a dnf update to google-chrome-stable today and it seems to be working.
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Re: nvidia problem F37->F38 update

[Neal Becker]

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 4:04 AM Barry  wrote:

>
>
> > On 5 May 2023, at 21:48, Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 4:04 PM Tim via users
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Tim:
>  Are you falling foul of the recent Gnome change that puts a machine
>  to sleep if it considers that it's been idle for about 15 minutes?
> 
>  One of the all-time *DUMB* moves by Gnome.
> >>
> >> George N. White III:
> >>> Not at all.  Large organizations are trying to reduce power
> >>> consumption by workstations sitting idle overnight, during meetings,
> >>> lunch breaks, etc.
> >>
> >> And what do you think they're going to do?  Undo that setting, so that
> >> they don't have to deal with employees annoyed at having to wake up
> >> their PCs all day long because they don't actually use the PC
> >> constantly to keep it awake, but do need to refer to it a lot, and the
> >> wait for resumption while trying to keep a customer on the phone is
> >> being a pain, an inability for IT to remotely manage PCs when they
> >> want, and debugging PCs that don't wake from suspend/hibernation.
> >>
> >> Greenwashing...
> >
> > The most annoying thing (to me) was, Fedora maintainers did not make
> > the setting default for new installs. Instead, they changed the
> > setting for existing installs, like  a F37 -> F38 system upgrade.
>
> I read elsewhere that the setting change is to the default.
> If you had ever changed the power settings the default is not used
> apparently.
>
> The default is used on new installs, and because it is the default also
> applies to upgrades, as i say, if you had not changed the default power
> settings.
>
> I am not a gnome used so have no direct experience of this change.
>
> Barry
>
> >
> > It really annoyed me when a couple of my machines went to sleep and I
> > had to drive across town to wake them and reconfigure them.
> >
> > Jeff
>

Same here, I guess it didn't happen on my test machine that I updated first
because that was switched to sddm, another way to avoid this.
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Re: Chrome showing no text

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On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 2:17 PM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:13 PM steven stern  wrote:
> >
> > Something in one of the updates I installed today (but not Chrome) has
> > broken chrome.  It's now showing any text.  Ideas?
> > https://i.imgur.com/5DsPMMe.png
>
> Someone reported something similar on Reddit at r/Fedora,
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/138vba0/chrome_broken_after_today_update/
> . Comment was made and it is already reported:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2193335 .
>
> > (No, not using Chrome isn't really an option.)
>
> I just reported something similar here.  I switched to google-chrome-beta
> and it's working fine.
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F38 update, chrome display problem

[Neal Becker]

After updating f37->f38, now chrome-stable is unusable.  This is intel
graphics.
The displays of all web pages are unreadable.

I tried installing google-chrome-beta, and this seems to be working fine.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
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Re: nvidia problem F37->F38 update

[Neal Becker]

On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 6:13 PM Neal Becker  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:50 PM Todd Zullinger  wrote:
>
>> Tim via users wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2023-05-04 at 16:20 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
>> >
>> >> I may have another problem but time will tell (running on the newer
>> >> kernel connecting via ssh several times I've walked away and then the
>> >> machine is nonresponsive to ping, have to force power cycle to
>> >> recover.)
>> >
>> > Are you falling foul of the recent Gnome change that puts a machine to
>> > sleep if it considers that it's been idle for about 15 minutes?
>> >
>> > One of the all-time *DUMB* moves by Gnome.
>>
>> And if so, this post in the Common Issues area should help
>> adjust the settings:
>>
>>
>> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/gnome-suspends-after-15-minutes-of-user-inactivity-even-on-ac-power/79801
>>
>> This doesn't affect Fedora Server, so if the system is only
>> used as a server, installing from the Server image instead
>> of Workstation might help avoid any future changes which are
>> aimed at laptop/desktop users. (I don't care for this change
>> either way -- but it's much easier to deal with on a local
>> system than a remote server.)
>>
>> This is used as a server and only usually accessed remotely.  Would this
> shutdown the machine even if nobody had logged in at the
> console display?
>

Just to clarify, it is used as a server but workstation edition is
installed on it.
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Re: nvidia problem F37->F38 update

[Neal Becker]

On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:50 PM Todd Zullinger  wrote:

> Tim via users wrote:
> > On Thu, 2023-05-04 at 16:20 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> >
> >> I may have another problem but time will tell (running on the newer
> >> kernel connecting via ssh several times I've walked away and then the
> >> machine is nonresponsive to ping, have to force power cycle to
> >> recover.)
> >
> > Are you falling foul of the recent Gnome change that puts a machine to
> > sleep if it considers that it's been idle for about 15 minutes?
> >
> > One of the all-time *DUMB* moves by Gnome.
>
> And if so, this post in the Common Issues area should help
> adjust the settings:
>
>
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/gnome-suspends-after-15-minutes-of-user-inactivity-even-on-ac-power/79801
>
> This doesn't affect Fedora Server, so if the system is only
> used as a server, installing from the Server image instead
> of Workstation might help avoid any future changes which are
> aimed at laptop/desktop users. (I don't care for this change
> either way -- but it's much easier to deal with on a local
> system than a remote server.)
>
> This is used as a server and only usually accessed remotely.  Would this
shutdown the machine even if nobody had logged in at the
console display?
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Re: nvidia problem F37->F38 update

[Neal Becker]

On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 3:09 PM Tim Evans  wrote:

> On 5/4/23 14:37, Neal Becker wrote:
> > Just updated my server F37->F38.  The display doesn't start (black
> > screen after boot).
> >
> > journalctl shows many messages like:
> >
> > May 04 14:32:00 nbecker8 kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: bus: MMIO read of
> >  FAULT at 616330 [ PRIVRING ]
> >
> > nouveau?  This was running nvidia driver before the update (from
> rpmfusion).
> > Any ideas?
>
> Had this happen to me as well.  Booted back to the last F37 kernel and
> problem went away.  Current F38 kernel (6.2.14-300.fc38.x86_64) works ok.
>

Well I did boot from previous kernel, in this case 6.2.14-200.fc37.x86_64
(don't have an older fc38 kernel, I wasn't able to update to F38 until
today), and display is working fine.  I may have another problem but time
will tell (running on the newer kernel connecting via ssh several times
I've walked away and then the machine is nonresponsive to ping, have to
force power cycle to recover.)
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nvidia problem F37->F38 update

[Neal Becker]

Just updated my server F37->F38.  The display doesn't start (black screen
after boot).

journalctl shows many messages like:

May 04 14:32:00 nbecker8 kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: bus: MMIO read of
 FAULT at 616330 [ PRIVRING ]

nouveau?  This was running nvidia driver before the update (from rpmfusion).
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: Aaugh! F38 mplayer, ffmpeg, etc. install errors

[Neal Becker]

OK, thanks.  Guess I'll just wait for it to resolve itself.

On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 5:42 PM Andre Robatino 
wrote:

> BTW, this isn't a new problem. It happens at least once every few months,
> it's just by chance that it happened shortly after F38 was released.
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Re: Aaugh! F38 mplayer, ffmpeg, etc. install errors

[Neal Becker]

Lucky you, I'm stuck for last week at
 Problem: cannot install the best update candidate for package
qt5-qtbase-5.15.9-1.fc37.x86_64
  - cannot install both qt5-qtbase-5.15.9-1.fc38.x86_64 and
qt5-qtbase-5.15.8-10.fc38.x86_64
  - package libksysguard-5.27.4-1.fc38.x86_64 requires
libQt5WebEngineWidgets.so.5()(64bit), but none of the providers can be
installed
  - package libksysguard-5.27.4-1.fc38.x86_64 requires
libQt5WebEngineWidgets.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit), but none of the providers can be
installed
  - package libksysguard-5.27.4-1.fc38.x86_64 requires
libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5()(64bit), but none of the providers can be
installed
  - package libksysguard-5.27.4-1.fc38.x86_64 requires
libQt5WebEngineCore.so.5(Qt_5)(64bit), but none of the providers can be
installed
  - conflicting requests
  - package qt5-qtwebengine-5.15.12-3.fc38.x86_64 requires
qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.15.8, but none of the providers can be installed
  - package qt5-qtwebengine-freeworld-5.15.12-1.fc38.x86_64 requires
qt5-qtbase(x86-64) = 5.15.8, but none of the providers can be installed

On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 9:44 PM Andre Robatino 
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> I didn't have the problem on F37 either, it only appeared in F38, so I
> don't know why it's in the Fedora 37 section.
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tmpfiles.d/ update with today's update

[Neal Becker]

Running todays dnf update I saw:

usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/sddm.conf:6: Line references path below legacy directory
/var/run/, updating /var/run/sddm → /run/sddm; please update
the tmpfiles.d/ drop-in file accordingly.

Any ideas what this is about?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: Taking better advantage of BTRFS

[Neal Becker]

snapper (I believe this is suse's tool) can be installed on Fedora.
Unfortunately it takes a little extra work to setup the subvolumes
correctly.  I found an article (on reddit?) and mine are setup as:
 sudo btrfs subvolume list /
ID 256 gen 149284 top level 5 path root
ID 257 gen 149284 top level 5 path home
ID 258 gen 149105 top level 256 path var/lib/machines
ID 260 gen 112374 top level 5 path snapshots

Then mounted as:
/dev/nvme0n1p3 248108356 94618996 151112236  39% /.snapshots

snapper can be configured to make snapshots on command, or I believe
automatically with each update

On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 5:43 PM Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 2/25/23 14:58, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Now part of the python3-dnf-plugins-core package so you don't need a
> > separate command. With the plugin installed it just runs automatically.
>
> So when you use dnf upgrade, it  also tells you what needs restarting?
> Cool!
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Re: power profiles

[Neal Becker]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 7:14 AM Frederic Muller  wrote:

> On 25/01/2023 17:34, Stephen Morris wrote:
>
> On 25/1/23 21:25, Frederic Muller wrote:
>
> On 25/01/2023 17:01, Barry Scott wrote:
>
>
> On 25/01/2023 06:30, Frederic Muller wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> It seems i can only stay in Power Saver mode, balanced seems to be
> clickable but quickly reverts to Power Saver and Performance is not even
> clickable.
>
> Any idea if there is any way to do that 'manually' as my laptop is really
> slow now.
>
> [...]
>
>
>
> Where do I find the logs?
>
> Where are you finding the power settings. I'm not using a laptop but in
> KDE in the system settings under Power Management I don't seem to have the
> options you are referring to.
>
> In kde look for "battery and brightness".  I found it under "show hidden
icons" on the bottom right, I believe that's called the system tray?
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Re: texlive

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On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 5:51 AM Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> texlive 2021 is considered as too old now by latex developers
> texlive 2022 will come with fc38 if I understand.
> Is there any option to be able to run texlive 2022 with fc36?
>
Is pdflatex or one of the more modern variants an option, rather than using
dvi?
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Re: FYI - Issues with kernel-6.0.17-200.fc36.x86_64 and KDE

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On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:07 PM Go Canes  wrote:

> I had issues after updating to kernel-6.0.17-200.fc36.x86_64 this past
> Sunday.  Two dissimilar systems (a Dell XPS 15 laptop and a
> scratch-built media PC) both locked-up hard when booting - never got
> as far as the login screen.  I thought I had some older systems that
> were OK, but today I ran into issues with them - one had the login
> screen, but locked-up with the black-and-white KDE/Plasma "splash"
> screen (not sure what else to call it), and a 2nd locked-up before it
> got that far.  In both cases it was the first time trying to login
> since the kernel update.
>
> Reverting to 6.0.15-200.fc36.x86_64 made everything OK again.
>
>
There were a bunch of kde updates on my machine today along with the kernel
update, maybe something there caused an issue?
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snapper on fedora

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For several years I've been jealous of Suse for snapper.  There's been a
snapper package for Fedora for some time, but I don't think it set up the
subvolumes correctly.  I tried following this guide (warning: chrome
doesn't seem to like this page)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/tv7wg5/comment/i393qc7/?context=3

I setup everything but not any timers - I'm not looking for automatic
periodic backups.
I had thought it would be really great to be able to undo dnf updates -
there is a  python3-dnf-plugin-snapper.

But we already have dnf history undo, so no I wonder, is there really any
point?

I suppose one use is if my system became unbootable I could somehow mount a
snapshot.  OTOH, I can't recall the last time I would have needed this.
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Re: fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop

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>
>
> After some more investigation I'm suspecting that this may have been
unrelated to the fw update. I've seen 2 times since where my phone has
failed trying to connect to the 5G until I rebooted the router. I did not
think the boot delay and message was caused by this because I did not think
the system connected to wifi at boot time, but now I think I was mistaken.
I see on the login screen that the wifi is already connected.

I will say that attempting fw downgrade is probably dangerous.  That's
probably true of all software as upgrades are usually tested, but not
downgrades.

Thanks for all your help!
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Re: fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop

[Neal Becker]

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 12:25 PM Richard Hughes  wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 15:27, Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
> > fwupdmgr is not well documented. The man pages suck
>
> Remember to be awesome. This is an open source project and the number
> of people writing documentation is less than one.
>
> Richard
>
I'm not familiar with pinhole reset.  I waited for battery to drain.  Then
powered up and booted fine!  And the offending firmware is reverted, and my
wifi is working again.

I don't know where to report the problem with the firmware update.
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Re: fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop

[Neal Becker]

Well I performed 2 downgrades.  On the 2nd one it totally hung, saying 100%
done and will reboot.  It won't.  Even holding the power button does
nothing.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 10:27 AM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 10:18 AM Neal Becker  wrote:
> >
> > Brand new lenovo x1 carbon.
> >
> > Today the "discover" sw update app suggest fw updates.  I went ahead
> with them.  Now wifi isn't working properly.  At boot, I get a hang on
> > Job NetworkManager-wait-online.service/start running
>
> Sorry to hear that. I usually find the opposite is true... Newer
> machines need the UEFI updates to get wifi working correctly.
>
> > Then it will finish boot after some time, but only 2.4G wifi works.  It
> won't connect to my 5GHz wifi, although it is detected.
> >
> > I tried an older kernel but got same results.
> >
> > I just received this laptop yesterday, I suppose I could try to return
> it.  But is there maybe someway to revert the firmware updates?  Or any
> other ideas?
> >
>
> I believe you can use fwupdmgr to remove the firmware update. I think
> you want `fwupdmgr downgrade [DEVICE]`. I believe you can show the
> devices with `fwupdmgr get-devices`. But for the downgrade, you may
> get a numbered list, and only need to specify a number.
>
> fwupdmgr is not well documented. The man pages suck, and there's not
> much info out there on the web. The best questions/answers seem to
> happen in the fwupdmgr bug reporter in GitHub. The next best set of
> docs is from the --help option.
>
> $ fwupdmgr --help
> Usage:
>   fwupdmgr [OPTION…]
>
>   activate [DEVICE-ID|GUID] Activate devices
>   block-firmware [CHECKSUM] Blocks a specific firmware from
> being installed
>   clear-results DEVICE-ID|GUID  Clears the results from the last update
>   device-test [FILENAME1] [FILENAME2]
> Test a device using a JSON manifest
>   disable-remote REMOTE-ID  Disables a given remote
>   downgrade [DEVICE-ID|GUID]Downgrades the firmware on a device
>   download LOCATION Download a file
>   enable-remote REMOTE-ID   Enables a given remote
>   get-approved-firmware Gets the list of approved firmware
>   get-blocked-firmware  Gets the list of blocked firmware
>   get-details FILE  Gets details about a firmware file
>   get-devices   Get all devices that support
> firmware updates
>   get-history   Show history of firmware updates
>   get-plugins   Get all enabled plugins registered
> with the system
>   get-releases [DEVICE-ID|GUID] Gets the releases for a device
>   get-remotes   Gets the configured remotes
>   get-results DEVICE-ID|GUIDGets the results from the last update
>   get-topology  Alias to get-devices
>   get-updates [DEVICE-ID|GUID]  Gets the list of updates for
> connected hardware
>   get-upgrades [DEVICE-ID|GUID] Alias to get-updates
>   install FILE [DEVICE-ID|GUID] Install a firmware file on this
> hardware
>   modify-config KEY,VALUE   Modifies a daemon configuration value
>   modify-remote REMOTE-ID KEY VALUE
> Modifies a given remote
>   refresh [FILE FILE_SIG REMOTE-ID]
> Refresh metadata from remote server
>   reinstall [DEVICE-ID|GUID]Reinstall current firmware on the
> device
>   report-historyShare firmware history with the
> developers
>   security  Gets the host security attributes
>   set-approved-firmware FILENAME|CHECKSUM1[,CHECKSUM2][,CHECKSUM3]
> Sets the list of approved firmware
>   switch-branch [DEVICE-ID|GUID] [BRANCH]
> Switch the firmware branch on the
> device
>   sync-bkc  Sync firmware versions to the host
> best known configuration
>   unblock-firmware [CHECKSUM]   Unblocks a specific firmware from
> being installed
>   unlock DEVICE-ID|GUID Unlocks the device for firmware access
>   update [DEVICE-ID|GUID]   Updates all specified devices to
> latest firmware version, or all devices if unspecified
>   upgrade [DEVICE-ID|GUID]  Alias to update
>   verify [DEVICE-ID|GUID]   Checks cryptographic hash matches
> firmware
>   verify-update [DEVICE-ID|GUID]Update the stored cryptographic
> hash with current ROM contents
>
> Help Options:
>   -h, --helpShow help options
>
> Application Options:
>   -v, --verbose 

fwupd broke my wifi on new laptop

[Neal Becker]

Brand new lenovo x1 carbon.

Today the "discover" sw update app suggest fw updates.  I went ahead with
them.  Now wifi isn't working properly.  At boot, I get a hang on
Job NetworkManager-wait-online.service/start running

Then it will finish boot after some time, but only 2.4G wifi works.  It
won't connect to my 5GHz wifi, although it is detected.

I tried an older kernel but got same results.

I just received this laptop yesterday, I suppose I could try to return it.
But is there maybe someway to revert the firmware updates?  Or any other
ideas?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: Adding file swap on btrfs

[Neal Becker]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 2:58 PM Neal Becker  wrote:

> I've just installed f37 on a new lenovo x1 carbon.
> One thing, the installation didn't setup any swap (other than zswap).
>
> After a bit of reading I found
> sudo btrfs filesystem mkswapfile -s 32G /swapfile
> But:
>  sudo swapon -v /swapfile
> swapon: /swapfile: found signature [pagesize=4096, signature=swap]
> swapon: /swapfile: pagesize=4096, swapsize=1073741824, devsize=34359738368
>
> Although I created 32G swapfile, only 1G is used.
> swapon
> NAME   TYPE   SIZE USED PRIO
> /dev/zram0 partition8G 6.3M  100
> /swapfile  file  1024M   0B   -2
>
>
> What's wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>

Something wrong with btrfs filesystem mkswap.  If I do it the old-fashioned
way:

# truncate -s 0 swapfile# chattr +C swapfile# fallocate -l 2G
swapfile# chmod 0600 swapfile# mkswap swapfile# swapon swapfile

It works correctly
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Adding file swap on btrfs

[Neal Becker]

I've just installed f37 on a new lenovo x1 carbon.
One thing, the installation didn't setup any swap (other than zswap).

After a bit of reading I found
sudo btrfs filesystem mkswapfile -s 32G /swapfile
But:
 sudo swapon -v /swapfile
swapon: /swapfile: found signature [pagesize=4096, signature=swap]
swapon: /swapfile: pagesize=4096, swapsize=1073741824, devsize=34359738368

Although I created 32G swapfile, only 1G is used.
swapon
NAME   TYPE   SIZE USED PRIO
/dev/zram0 partition8G 6.3M  100
/swapfile  file  1024M   0B   -2


What's wrong?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: [OT] Xorg, X11, Wayland

[Neal Becker]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 11:38 AM Jonathan Billings 
wrote:

> On Oct 30, 2022, at 07:42, Neal Becker  wrote:
>
> I have been watching Wayland with interest since it's beginning.  There is
> still one thing which prevents me from switching.  I need to attend remote
> meetings, using teams, zoom, etc.  I always prefer to use the web
> interfaces for those, through chrome (firefox won't work on teams).  If I
> use wayland and I try to share a window, only some windows are available to
> share - presumably the native X11 ones are not available choices.  Until
> this is resolved it's X11 for me.
>
>
> I’ve shared individual Wayland windows through Chrome and Google Meet:
>
> 1. ⁠Go to chrome://flags
> 2. ⁠Search "Preferred Ozone platform"
> 3. ⁠Set it to "Wayland"
> 4. ⁠Restart Chrome
>
> You can also launch Chrome with: --ozone-platform=wayland
>
> When you go to share, it’ll ask you for permission and you can choose
> whole screen or certain windows.  It might be something that requires
> GNOME’s mutter though, I haven’t tried any other Wayland-compatible desktop
> environment. I’ve used it with Zoom too, although not recently since my job
> requires Meet.
>
> --
> Jonathan Billings
>

Thanks, but just tried it - doesn't work.  I only see one window available
to share.  I have also a konsole window and okular running, but these are
not shown as choices under share window.  I started chrome with
--ozone-platorm=wayland in a waland-plasma session.  Then I started google
meet from this chrome browser.  I believe only wayland-native windows show
as choices in the 'share window'.  Interesting that emacs shows up - it is
recent 28.1.91 (a pre-release of 28.2 I guess).  Tried opening several
other apps, including firefox with MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1, but none show as
choices to share except emacs.
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Re: [OT] Xorg, X11, Wayland

[Neal Becker]

I have been watching Wayland with interest since it's beginning.  There is
still one thing which prevents me from switching.  I need to attend remote
meetings, using teams, zoom, etc.  I always prefer to use the web
interfaces for those, through chrome (firefox won't work on teams).  If I
use wayland and I try to share a window, only some windows are available to
share - presumably the native X11 ones are not available choices.  Until
this is resolved it's X11 for me.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 4:40 PM Slade Watkins via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On 10/28/22 2:51 AM, Mike Wright wrote:
> >
> >
> > I just found the best explanation of the linux graphics system ever.  It
> > covers the history of Xorg, X11, and Wayland, and explains why Wayland
> > is the future.  Ironically, the future is always in the future...
> >
> > As informative as they come.
>
> Will definitely have to check it out at some point! Thanks for sharing.
>
> I still use X11, even though both the distros I use (Fedora and Pop!_OS)
> have support for it. I am just ancient and set in my ways, haha.
>
> -srw
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 5:35 AM Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 20:44 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing
> > lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various
> > flavors; getting the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook,
> > and TokTik, and more of the same. It takes more mental effort and
> > discipline to participate meaningfully in the former, but much less
> > in the latter. It's a much lower barrier of entry; hence this latest
> > episode with Gnome.
>
> I miss using usenet, it was much better than mailing lists.  You could
> post without exposing your email address.  The usenet clients had
> excellent threading, filtering, and a decent editor for posting and
> replying.  Of course spammers were a problem, but a decent usenet host
> could have taken care of that.
>
> I completely agree, I have found usenet with a good interface (knode) to
be far a more efficient way to keep up with a large body of topics.  Email
is inefficient in its use of space and bandwidth, since it replicates data
needlessly.  I haven't seen an online forum that works as well as usenet.
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Re: Sound distorted (new, F36)

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On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:32 AM Neal Becker  wrote:

> I've got a lenovo laptop x1 carbon 2017 which has been working fine for
> years on the latest fedora versions.  The sound survived to update to F36.
> But something in an update in the past several weeks has broken it.  When I
> try to conference with other users, they report my sound is distorted, even
> though I've set the mic gain pretty low.  Their sound is rather low even
> though  I've set volume 150%.  As I said, I've been using this setup for
> years without these issues.
>
> I'm using KDE and sound profile is "built-in audio pro".
>
> I believe the sound is OK when using ear buds.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>

Well it looks like the issue is the "audio pro" profile.  I switched to
"analog stereo duplex" and I think it may be fixed.  This "audio pro" is
something new?
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Sound distorted (new, F36)

[Neal Becker]

I've got a lenovo laptop x1 carbon 2017 which has been working fine for
years on the latest fedora versions.  The sound survived to update to F36.
But something in an update in the past several weeks has broken it.  When I
try to conference with other users, they report my sound is distorted, even
though I've set the mic gain pretty low.  Their sound is rather low even
though  I've set volume 150%.  As I said, I've been using this setup for
years without these issues.

I'm using KDE and sound profile is "built-in audio pro".

I believe the sound is OK when using ear buds.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: opinions: backups

[Neal Becker]

I use borg and am very happy with it.  As Chris, I only backup /home,
everything else is replaceable.  Oh, I occasionally make a backup of /etc
also.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 6:05 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Sun, 2022-08-14 at 21:04 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 7:29 PM Cameron Simpson 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 14Aug2022 15:22, Emmett Culley 
> > > wrote:
> > > > I've been using BackupPC for many years.  It can use rsync via
> > > > ssh for
> > > > remote backups or rsync directly for local (LAN) backup.  It can
> > > > automatically dedup as well.
> > >
> > > We had a client using BackupPC. Maybe for a single PC it works
> > > well.
> > > They were backing up several (well over 10) PCs to a NAS. It
> > > hammered
> > > the system in both I/O and CPU. Combined with some (old kernel)
> > > filesystem bugs, it would mangle the filesystem. It seems to do the
> > > rsync protocol _in Perl_ at the BackupPC end, and uses an elaborate
> > > hash-named file tree for the deduplication function. It needed a
> > > special
> > > web interface to browse/restore.
> > >
> > > It kind of works, but does not scale.
> > >
> >
> > Looks like you haven't taken a look in a while.  BackupPC 3.x used a
> > perl
> > version of rsync to add the extra stuff it needed to work, but
> > BackupPC 4.x
> > (which has been released for a few years now) forked rsync to provide
> > the
> > magic. It also now uses sqlite instead of hard links to manage
> > deduplication.
> >
> > I only backup about 6 computers but it's for a home environment. I've
> > currently got 6.36TB backed up only consuming 675GB of space.
>
> Just for comparison, using Borg my backup info shows:
>
> Original size  Compressed sizeDeduplicated size
>   2.91 TB  2.23 TB121.89 GB
>
> (i.e. the actual disk usage is 121.89GB)
>
> That currently holds 22 backup sets (monthly, weekly and daily) going
> back a couple of years.
>
> poc
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Re: WebEx client no longer works on Fedora 36

[Neal Becker]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 1:24 PM Ranjan Maitra  wrote:

> Neal,
>
> Not recently, but why should I try WebEx through the browser, and
> potentially give them all the information that they can vacuum up from the
> browser? I just wonder why the video for the linux client stopped working.
>
> There is some unclear information on reddit:
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/webex/comments/w53yaf/webex_latest_app_in_linux_fedora_36_not_working/
>
> Btw, all persons that I know of and who use Fedora have recently had this
> problem with WebEx.
>
> Ranjan
>
> I feel there is more risk in installing clients from various unvetted
sources.  But I really was more thinking of convenience, it is a lot less
trouble to maintain, and I've found the screen sharing options are usually
better from (chrome browser, at least) than the options in the native apps.
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Re: WebEx client no longer works on Fedora 36

[Neal Becker]

My usual advice, have you tried the web client?

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 11:29 AM Ranjan Maitra  wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> Does anyone still have the official Cisco WebEx linux client  work with
> Fedora 36? It used to  work fine a month or so ago, but has not worked for
> me for the last two weeks (at least). Specifically, what happens is that
> the client opens up all right, but then when I either start or join
> meeting, the window tries to start and then everything comes crashing down.
>
> I am not sure what the problem is, and there are no error messages at
>  all, but I was wondering if anyone had
>  similar experiences and, more importantly, knew how to fix this
>  issue. I am updated to the latest July version of WebEx and F36 (but
>  for emacs, but that is not relevant).
>
> Many thanks and best wishes,
> Ranjan
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akmods issue

[Neal Becker]

Speaking of nvidia and akmods, I just had an issue this morning.  On my
server I'm using nvidia proprietary driver from rpmfusion.  Apparently it
was updated (automatically) last night and when I tried to run experiments
on the gpu this morning I got the dreaded version mismatch between the
kernel driver and cuda library (or something).

I tried rebooting but that didn't fix the issue.

I tried running akmods manually but it didn't find anything to build.  The
man page for akmods was unhelpful, and looking in /lib/modules wasn't
useful because you can't see the version numbers on the modules to see that
everything is updated.

Finally I tried rebooting a 2nd time on the theory that the akmod got run
and the driver built on the first reboot, but too late - the old driver had
already loaded.

Surprise, that worked.  So what's going on?  It looks like akmod is run too
late and  2 reboots are needed to get the new driver built and loaded?

I checked
sudo systemctl status akmods
● akmods.service - Builds and install new kmods from akmod packages
 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/akmods.service; enabled;
vendor preset: enabled)
 Active: active (exited) since Wed 2022-07-06 07:32:31 EDT; 28min ago
Process: 1166 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/akmods --from-init (code=exited,
status=0/SUCCESS)
   Main PID: 1166 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
CPU: 215ms

Jul 06 07:32:29 nbecker8 systemd[1]: Starting Builds and install new kmods
from akmod packages...
Jul 06 07:32:31 nbecker8 akmods[1166]: Checking kmods exist for
5.18.9-100.fc35.x86_64[  OK  ]
Jul 06 07:32:31 nbecker8 systemd[1]: Finished Builds and install new kmods
from akmod packages.

Any ideas?
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Re: Installing cuda on Fedora 36

[Neal Becker]

I was afraid of drivers from nvidia repo, so I enabled nvidia repo only to
install cuda tools, then disabled nvidia repo.

I have noticed that F35 nvidia repo has a lot of "stuff" in it, which F36
looks much cleaner.  The one install I'm using cuda is still on F35 though,
haven't tried F36.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:30 PM Steve Underwood 
wrote:

> On 27/06/2022 15:26, Neal Becker wrote:
> > I *did not *install driver from nvidia, I am using rpmfusion driver
> > nvidia's version of drivers conflict with rpmfusions versions
>
> I did that, but I hit problems multiple times with the driver version
> when there was a big update to the CUDA RPMs. I am now use the RPMs from
> nVidia. I'm hoping this will work out better.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
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Re: Installing cuda on Fedora 36

[Neal Becker]

Did you add
https://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/fedora35/x86_64?

I have a working install, which has
[nbecker@nbecker8 multicarrier-predistortion]$ rpm -qa *cuda*
cuda-toolkit-config-common-11.6.55-1.noarch
cuda-toolkit-11-config-common-11.6.55-1.noarch
cuda-toolkit-11-6-config-common-11.6.55-1.noarch
cuda-cudart-11-6-11.6.55-1.x86_64
cuda-nvrtc-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-libraries-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-nvprof-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-nvml-devel-11-6-11.6.55-1.x86_64
cuda-nvdisasm-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-cccl-11-6-11.6.55-1.x86_64
cuda-cudart-devel-11-6-11.6.55-1.x86_64
cuda-runtime-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-nvrtc-devel-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-nsight-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-nvvp-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-nsight-systems-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-nsight-compute-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-samples-11-6-11.6.101-1.x86_64
cuda-nvtx-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-nvprune-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-nvcc-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-memcheck-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-gdb-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-driver-devel-11-6-11.6.55-1.x86_64
cuda-libraries-devel-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-visual-tools-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-documentation-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-demo-suite-11-6-11.6.55-1.x86_64
cuda-cuxxfilt-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-cupti-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-cuobjdump-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-compiler-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-sanitizer-11-6-11.6.124-1.x86_64
cuda-command-line-tools-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-tools-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-toolkit-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-11-6-11.6.2-1.x86_64
cuda-11.6.2-1.x86_64
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda-libs-510.68.02-2.fc35.x86_64
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda-510.68.02-2.fc35.x86_64

I *did not *install driver from nvidia, I am using rpmfusion driver
nvidia's version of drivers conflict with rpmfusions versions

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 10:06 AM Paul Smith  wrote:

> > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:05:55 +0100 Paul Smith wrote:
> > >   - package cuda-drivers-515.48.07-1.x86_64 is filtered out by modular
> filtering
> >
> > Try perhaps: dnf module reset cuda-drivers
> >
> > Then retry to install cuda-11
>
> Thanks, Francis. I have just tried your suggestion, but:
>
> # dnf module reset cuda-drivers
> Last metadata expiration check: 1:26:20 ago on Mon 27 Jun 2022 01:36:50 PM
> WEST.
> Unable to resolve argument cuda-drivers
> Error: Problems in request:
> missing groups or modules: cuda-drivers
> #
>
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Re: What package do I need to install for my Nvidia card

[Neal Becker]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:00 AM Anil F Duggirala 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have read part of the https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA guide to
> know how to install proprietary drivers for my Nvidia card. My laptop
> comes with a regular Intel Graphics card alongside an Nvidia Geforce
> GTX 960M card. I am on Fedora 36, Gnome (Wayland).
> I don't want to mess up my system, so I just want to ask; what is the
> simplest procedure install drivers for this card on my system?
>
> When these drivers are installed, will I still be able to do regular
> work with my Intel card and launch specific applications (games) with
> the Nvidia card?
> My card supports CUDA and Optimus.
>
> Do I need to disable Secure Boot?
>
> Note: I have already enabled the free and non-free RPM fusion
> repositores. I know there is a specific rpmfusion Nvidia driver
> repository, do I need that also?
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This should work:
http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA
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openvpn vs F36

[Neal Becker]

After updating F35->F36 my openvpn client is no longer connecting.
I did look at
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/openssl-error-when-connecting-to-vpn-via-networkmanager-fedora-36/21123

And followed the last response

https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/openssl-error-when-connecting-to-vpn-via-networkmanager-fedora-36/21123/9

Editing /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf, but this still makes no difference.
ip addr
does not show the tun interface.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: attempt system-upgrade f35-f36 fails on mutter

[Neal Becker]

On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 6:37 AM Neal Becker  wrote:

>  sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=36 --skip-broken --best
> Before you continue ensure that your system is fully upgraded by running
> "dnf --refresh upgrade". Do you want to continue [y/N]: y
> [...]
> Error:
> Problem: package mutter3.38-libs-3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64 requires
> libwacom.so.2()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
>  - package mutter3.38-libs-3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64 requires
> libwacom.so.2(LIBWACOM_0.33)(64bit), but none of the providers can be
> installed
>  - libwacom-1.12.1-2.fc35.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade
> repository
>  - problem with installed package mutter3.38-libs-3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
> [nbecker@nbecker2 ~]$ sudo dnf repoquery --whatrequires
> mutter3.38-libs-3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:06:59 ago on Sat 07 May 2022 06:27:34 AM
> EDT.
> elementary-greeter-0:6.0.0-2.fc35.x86_64
> gala-0:6.0.1-1.fc35.x86_64
> gala-libs-0:6.0.1-1.fc35.x86_64
> mutter3.38-0:3.38.5-2.fc35.x86_64
> mutter3.38-0:3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
> mutter3.38-devel-0:3.38.5-2.fc35.x86_64
> mutter3.38-devel-0:3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
> mutter3.38-tests-0:3.38.5-2.fc35.x86_64
> mutter3.38-tests-0:3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
> wingpanel-0:3.0.0-2.fc35.x86_64
>
> Attempting the simple fix: dnf remove mutter would want to remove a lot,
> including gnome.
>
> Any ideas?
>

OK, got past that by
sudo dnf remove mutter3.38-libs-3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
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attempt system-upgrade f35-f36 fails on mutter

[Neal Becker]

 sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=36 --skip-broken --best
Before you continue ensure that your system is fully upgraded by running
"dnf --refresh upgrade". Do you want to continue [y/N]: y
[...]
Error:
Problem: package mutter3.38-libs-3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64 requires
libwacom.so.2()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
 - package mutter3.38-libs-3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64 requires
libwacom.so.2(LIBWACOM_0.33)(64bit), but none of the providers can be
installed
 - libwacom-1.12.1-2.fc35.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade
repository
 - problem with installed package mutter3.38-libs-3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
[nbecker@nbecker2 ~]$ sudo dnf repoquery --whatrequires
mutter3.38-libs-3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
Last metadata expiration check: 0:06:59 ago on Sat 07 May 2022 06:27:34 AM
EDT.
elementary-greeter-0:6.0.0-2.fc35.x86_64
gala-0:6.0.1-1.fc35.x86_64
gala-libs-0:6.0.1-1.fc35.x86_64
mutter3.38-0:3.38.5-2.fc35.x86_64
mutter3.38-0:3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
mutter3.38-devel-0:3.38.5-2.fc35.x86_64
mutter3.38-devel-0:3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
mutter3.38-tests-0:3.38.5-2.fc35.x86_64
mutter3.38-tests-0:3.38.6-1.fc35.x86_64
wingpanel-0:3.0.0-2.fc35.x86_64

Attempting the simple fix: dnf remove mutter would want to remove a lot,
including gnome.

Any ideas?
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setup for M/L (nvidia)

[Neal Becker]

Trying to setup for machine learning.  Here's what I tried.  Actually, we
can just view dnf history.  In reverse chronological order:

1. install the nvidia device driver from rpmfusion:
sudo dnf install
61 | install /var/cudnn-local-repo-rhel7-8.3.2.44/libcudn | 2022-03-31
18:38 | Install|1
60 | install /home/nbecker/Downloads/cudnn-local-repo-rhe | 2022-03-31
18:37 | Install|1
59 | install cuda | 2022-03-31
15:55 | Install|   60  <
58 | install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda | 2022-03-31
15:23 | Install|4 >
57 | -y install --disablerepo=* /tmp/akmods.VU8cZxAa/resu | 2022-03-31
14:57 | Install|1
56 | install akmod-nvidia | 2022-03-31
14:49 | Install|   62 E<

After installing akmod-nvidia, we need to obtain cuda and cudnn direct from
nvidia.  They have setup repos, which after installation
provide:

baseurl=
https://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/fedora35/x86_64
and a local repo:
baseurl=file:///var/cudnn-local-repo-rhel7-8.3.2.44

While nvidia provides fedora specific cuda I could only find rhel7 version
of cudnn.

The installations succeed and everything is working.  But with these new
repos enabled update is broken:
 sudo dnf update
[sudo] password for nbecker:
Last metadata expiration check: 0:45:46 ago on Thu 31 Mar 2022 06:38:21 PM
EDT.
Dependencies resolved.

 Problem 1: package nvidia-driver-3:510.47.03-1.fc35.x86_64 conflicts with
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia provided by
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64
  - package nvidia-driver-3:510.47.03-1.fc35.x86_64 obsoletes
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia provided by
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64
  - package kmod-nvidia-5.16.18-200.fc35.x86_64-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64
requires nvidia-kmod-common >= 3:510.60.02, but none of the providers can
be installed
  - cannot install the best update candidate for package
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64
  - problem with installed package
kmod-nvidia-5.16.18-200.fc35.x86_64-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64
  - package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64 is filtered out
by modular filtering
 Problem 2: package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64 requires
libnvidia-glcore.so.510.60.02()(64bit), but none of the providers can be
installed
  - package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64 requires
libnvidia-tls.so.510.60.02()(64bit), but none of the providers can be
installed
  - package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64 requires
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs(x86-64) = 3:510.60.02-1.fc35, but none of the
providers can be installed
  - package nvidia-driver-libs-3:510.47.03-1.fc35.x86_64 conflicts with
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs provided by
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64
  - package nvidia-driver-libs-3:510.47.03-1.fc35.x86_64 obsoletes
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs provided by
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64
  - package nvidia-settings-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64 requires
nvidia-kmod-common >= 3:510.60.02, but none of the providers can be
installed
  - cannot install the best update candidate for package
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64
  - problem with installed package nvidia-settings-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64
  - package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-3:510.60.02-1.fc35.x86_64 is filtered out
by modular filtering
===
 PackageArchitecture   Version
 RepositorySize
===
Skipping packages with conflicts:
(add '--best --allowerasing' to command line to force their upgrade):
 nvidia-driver  x86_64 3:510.47.03-1.fc35
cuda-fedora35-x86_64  22 M
 nvidia-driver-libs x86_64 3:510.47.03-1.fc35
cuda-fedora35-x86_64 168 M

If I read this correctly nvidia's version (which provides driver 510.47)
obsoletes the one from rpmfusion (which is actually newer?).
The only solution I can think of for now is just disable those 2 nvidia
repos after installation.

Has anyone setup M/L nvidia on fedora and have a better solution?

Thanks,
Neal
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yubikey?

[Neal Becker]

I'm curious about getting a yubikey to use for 2fa, and wondering if it
will just work on Fedora 35+.  I've seen an article on setting up yubikey
for auth on fedora, but I'm not interested in using it to authenticate for
login on my laptop.  I'm interested in having it work for 2fa on chrome and
firefox running on the laptop.  In this case, is any setup required, or
just plugin and it works?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Neal Becker]

You can (and I do) make my own filters in gmail for e.g., this maillist,
which moves it into a folder and is reflected in IMAP as a folder.  In
addition, gmail has an orthogonal system they call categories that
auto-categorizes mail: inbox, social, updates, formus, promotions.  This is
not reflected into IMAP, all these categories are just INBOX.  This is my
problem, gmail auto-categorizing magic is just too useful but only
available through web I/F.  I _could_ write filters in theory, but gmail
magic is just so much better at it.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 7:04 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

>
> It behaves *somewhat* like it has folders, but labels are actually a
> superset in terms of functionality. Specifically, a message can have
> multiple labels, so from the IMAP viewpoint it shows up in multiple
> folders. Most IMAP clients will treat these as independent copies,
> while in fact they are more akin to hard links in Linux terminology.
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Neal Becker]

I've tried to move away from gmail, but it's not easy.

I've been a kde fan for years, and back in the day used kmail.  Triggered
by this discussion, I tried again to use kmail with gmail/imap.  But after
waiting some hours for mail to sync gave up.

I've never used evolution, but decided to try it.  This time speed to sync
was much more acceptable.  But there is one barrier to using evolution over
gmail web interface.  Gmail sorts mail automatically into "categories",
distinct from the mail folders that you can manually create.  I find these
categories just too useful, and they are not reflected into imap folders.
Without this sorting, my inbox is too cluttered with e.g., Promotions,
which I would normally not bother with when using gmail/web.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 6:56 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 17:36 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> > Since I am using IMAP I am trying something different:
> >
> > Currently writing this email from within Evolution...
> >
> > I keep opening new emails and wanting to go to the right side of the
> > screen and click:
> >
> > SEND TO BROWSER...
> >
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Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

[Neal Becker]

Endgame:

So now the system is running from the sata ssd drive, but the nvme ssd is
plugged into the M.2->pcie adapter with the failed ssd now working again.
So I ask, what's the difference in speed between the nvme ssd  plugged into
the pcie and the sata?
I run bonnie++ on the nvme and then:
Feb 24 16:59:11 nbecker8 kernel: nvme nvme0: controller is down; will
reset: CSTS=0x, PCI_STATUS=0x10

Oh, look at that!  Just as I suspected, the nvme controller fails when
heavily used.  The thing that surprised me is that I would have thought the
nvme controller which just went down would have been on the pcie interface
card.  But now it seems that the nvme controller is on the motherboard and
even when the nvme is plugged into the pcie the same motherboard nvme
controller is still being used.  That's the only explanation I can think of.

Sorry for the top posting and excessive quoting: I've given up on running
my own mail server and am using gmail, which makes it too easy to follow
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Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

[Neal Becker]

Well the fact that the failed ssd is working again tells me it wasn't
zapped by static or power transients.  The comment about taking a long time
for the ssd to reorganize itself is interesting, but here it failed 1 day,
and I went to fix it the next day, where it still was not detected by F35
live usb stick.  Came back to life after I installed the sata drive.

The only thing I can think of is a motherboard component that fails when
warm, came back to life after it cooled while I installed the sata?  But
since the same failure was seen with SSD plugged into m.2 socket on
motherboard, and different SSD plugged into m.2 socket on pcie->m.2
adapter; I don't think there is any common component?  Don't know enough
about these motherboard architecture to say for sure.  Must be something in
common though to explain these symptoms.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:20 PM Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Wed, 2022-02-23 at 10:41 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
> > I used to add surge protection to power bars.  We had a tree fall on
> > the cable coax that they had installed without a proper anchor, just
> > a zip tie to the mast for the AC power.  The mast was pulled off the
> > house, which meant the neutral line got disconnected first, and
> > lightbulbs went off like flash bulbs.  My Victor 9000 PC with the
> > home-made surge protection survived, but we lost the doorbell
> > transformer and a radio (and the thyristers in the surge protector).
>
> I've always been a bit wary of ones in power boards (the multi-socket
> adaptors on short leads.  Ideally surge protection should be at the
> distribution box (to protect the whole house from surges from the
> street).  You really want the house to disconnect from power under
> dangerous conditions, not just a board with potentially (now) hazardous
> wiring still energised between it and the wall.
>
> If you pull apart power boards, you often notice how thin the wiring
> is, and the metal strips used to form the sockets.  You've got a good
> chance at weakening or blowing the board instead of the main fuse. Even
> under good wiring circumstances the fuses and breakers may not be quick
> enough to break the circuit.
>
> Some of the boards use inappropriate over-voltage clamping that's
> always being driven warm by triggering too close to the normal mains
> voltage (possibly this is manufacturers of 110 volt equipment selling
> their products into 240 volt markets).  I've come across some that are
> always too warm for my liking, and wouldn't like them being buried and
> out of sight.  I've seen them discoloured and deformed plastic.
>
> People have a habit of daisy chaining power boards.  EMI filters and
> surge protection at the end of the line puts heavier workload on ones
> nearer to the socket, and all the joins between.  Advice was that if
> you have to have more outlets than available on one board, the first
> one plugged into the wall should be the one with filters and
> protection, then plug other plain unprotected boards directly into it,
> rather than string a series of boards through each other.  The first
> board protects the rest, rather than the rest stressing out everything.
>
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Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

[Neal Becker]

OK, status update.

1. The workstation is located in a offices of a large satellite ISP.  Clean
power is probably not an issue.

2. Attempt to reboot machine.  BIOS boot options does not show the M.2 SSD
existing.

3. Boot F35 from USB live.  Go to install to disk.  SSD is not shown as an
option for installation.  (I didn't try lsblk, but I'm sure it would have
shown the SSD didn't exist).

4. Install SATA SSD drive.  That was fun, I didn't know how to get to the
drive bays and didn't have screws to mount it, so used double backed sticky
tape.

5. Again BIOS boot options.  Oh look, F35 samsung pro 980 is back!  My best
guess is that some part has a thermal issue and while I installed the SATA
drive it had cooled down??  Doesn't really explain that the same symptoms
occurred both with a SSD plugged into the MB M.2 socket and when I got a
pcie-m.2 adapter and plugged it in there, since there would have been 2
different controller chips (I guess).

6. Anyway I perform install to sata drive.  Everything is fine (for now).

7. The m.2 ssd that didn't exist previously is still plugged.  I can mount
it; everything seems fine.  Run smartmonctl -a /dev/nvme0.  No errors
recorded.  No problems.  100% spare.

I'm still baffled.


On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:42 AM George N. White III 
wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 06:49, Tim via users 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2022-02-22 at 12:21 -0500, Go Canes wrote:
>> > If it was just erasing the partition table the drive would still be
>> > visible using lsblk, and you could re-partition it with fdisk, etc.
>>
>> I do wonder if the devices were ruined, or just had their data
>> scrambled?  Neal didn't say whether he'd tried reformatting the failed
>> ones, I presume he would have, but he just mentioned replacing them.
>>
>>
> Various magical incantations do sometimes seem to work:
>
> Solid State Drive SSD not seen in computer bios data recovery repair -
> YouTube 
>
> Fix your dead SSD with the power cycle method - The Silicon Underground
> (dfarq.homeip.net) 
>
> fmadio | Recover Bricked SSD with JTAG
> 
>
>
>
>> > You mentioned a surge suppressor strip - any chance it has already
>> > suppressed a surge in the past?  If so, it might not be functioning
>> > as a surge suppressor anymore.
>>
>> Every day your house receives lots of surges.  Most you'll never
>> notice.  There's not just the times you notice the lights suddenly
>> glowing brighter.  There's very fast and large spikes from the
>> continual switching of loads across the grid, and how the stations
>> manage them.  Because of this, surge protectors are always working, and
>> will eventually die without you probably being aware of it.
>>
>
> I used to add surge protection to power bars.  We had a tree fall on the
> cable coax that they had installed without a proper anchor, just a zip tie
> to the mast for the AC power.  The mast was pulled off the house, which
> meant the neutral line got disconnected first, and lightbulbs went off
> like
> flash bulbs.  My Victor 9000 PC with the home-made surge protection
> survived, but we lost the doorbell transformer and a radio (and the
> thyristers in the surge protector).
>
> My father in law also used home-made surge protectors.  A truck
> hit a high-voltage distribution line, causing the high voltage wires to
> fall onto the lower voltage feed to the house.   His computer survived,
> but some appliances died.
>
>
>>
>> It's worth remembering that a surge protector may not protect your
>> equipment from being wrecked, primarily it should blow a house fuse on
>> a large surge to prevent some equipment catching fire and burning your
>> house down.
>>
>
> My power bar had a circuit breaker which did trip.
>
>
>>
>> If you have noisy mains causing you a problem you want mains filtering,
>> possibly a UPS as well (a constantly running one, like a power
>> conditioner, not a changeover one that supplies raw mains until it
>> kicks in as a backup supply).
>>
>> For what it's worth, considering my opening paragraph about the mains
>> always has spikes on it all day every day, that's normal.  Any
>> equipment that requires external protection has not been built
>> correctly.  Anything that plugs directly into the mains should be able
>> to handle what's normally on the mains, for its entire operational
>> life.
>>
>
> I grew up in an area with frequent power outages.   My parents were
> careful to unplug computers when not in use.  We often put an overhand
> knot in power cords.  One day I had just turned on an electric kettle when
> lightning hit near the house.  The kettle had a metal base with a hole
> where
> the cord passed thru and a 2-conductor cord.  The cord burned off at the
> hole -- I assume an induced current took a shortcut from one conductor to
> the other.   Nothing else was damaged.
>
>
>> The exception I make about that rule is when you 

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

[Neal Becker]

Well I suspected the PS, but the guy I spoke with at Titan said some other
things would fail before the SSD if that was the problem.

The power should be pretty stable, and I did connect to a good transient
suppressor strip.  Anyway there was no lightning when it died, which was in
the past 24 hours.  I had been watching smartmon every few days and it
showed no error and temps <37C.

Titan has suggested installing a sata SSD (eliminate the m.2) and I'm going
to try that.  He suggested it might be a software issue, that something
might be e.g. erasing the partition table on the drive (I don't have
another machine handy to verify this), but this seems really unlikely.  I
just installed F35 and a moderate set of scientific packages, no
proprietary software.  The only access in via ssh inside of vpn and I have
the only account.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:47 AM George N. White III 
wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 10:04, Neal Becker  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Richard.  Yes, I talked with Titan; they suggested trying the
>> pcie-m.2 adapter.  I will try them again.
>> I have not checked for bios updates.  Not sure how to go about that (last
>> time I did that it required an msdos floppy disc).
>>
>> Haven't tried the SSDs in another device because I don't have one.  But
>> the fact that replacing the SSD causes it to work, where it wasn't working
>> before, tells me they were damaged.  I have at least once power off/on the
>> workstation, and the bios did not find any ssd to boot from.  So power
>> cycle didn't fix it, but replace ssd did fix it.
>>
>> I will try Titan again later today, but just looking for ideas.
>>
>
> With this history, I'd probably replace the workstation power supply.   I
> would also scan the
> the system board for capacitors on bulging tops or overheated components.
>
> Are there any externally powered devices connected to the workstation
> (other than the monitor)?
>
> Are you in an area with frequent lightning storms?  How stable is your
> power?  Is the system
> connected to a UPS?
>
> I had a similar experience with spinning disks in a system that contained
> a drive-bay radio receiver
> and was connected to a satellite dish and GPS receiver on the roof, and an
> antenna controller.  Everything
> was powered by a high quality UPS.  I added a heavy wire connecting the
> antenna controller case to the
> workstation case and the failures stopped.
>
> I gather you now have space for two m.2 SSD's.   If you haven't discarded
> the non-working devices,
> it would be interesting to see if any are detected and what smartmontools
> says about them, but
> you also have the option to put /var on a separate drive.  Smartmon tools
> can monitor a drive and
> report any problems it detects, but you may also want to run self-tests
> periodically.
>
>
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Neal
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 8:44 AM Richard Shaw 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 7:34 AM Neal Becker  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know this is a bit OT, but you guys are great at answering all
>>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>> I bought a workstation from Titan computers around 1/2020 (dual EPYC
>>>> cpu).  After about 1 year it stopped working.  I could ssh to it, and
>>>> almost any command would return Input/Output error.  Unfortunately
>>>> journalctl gave input/output error so I can't see logs.  cat
>>>> /proc/partitions did not show any nvme device (the root device) on which
>>>> the OS was installed.
>>>>
>>>> I replaced the SSD with a samsung 980 pro.  Reinstalled fedora.  It
>>>> then worked a few weeks, then the exact same symptoms.
>>>>
>>>> I replaced the SSD with another samsung 980 pro, this time with
>>>> heatsink.  Reinstalled fedora.  It worked a few weeks.  Then same symptoms.
>>>>
>>>> Then I replaced with a 4th samsung 980 pro, but this time instead of
>>>> using the M.2 socket I used a pcie-m.2 adapter (in case something was wrong
>>>> with the m.2 socket).  Also added a surge protector outlet for good
>>>> measure. Reinstalled.  Watched the smartctl.  No errors.  Temperature was
>>>> always low.
>>>>
>>>> Now it's failed again, exactly same symptoms.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I remember your other email about a month or so ago and thought it was
>>> really strange. Have you tried the drives in another system to confirm
>>> they're truly dead?
>>>
>>> I would check for BIOS updates just for good measure. Ot

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

[Neal Becker]

Thanks Richard.  Yes, I talked with Titan; they suggested trying the
pcie-m.2 adapter.  I will try them again.
I have not checked for bios updates.  Not sure how to go about that (last
time I did that it required an msdos floppy disc).

Haven't tried the SSDs in another device because I don't have one.  But the
fact that replacing the SSD causes it to work, where it wasn't working
before, tells me they were damaged.  I have at least once power off/on the
workstation, and the bios did not find any ssd to boot from.  So power
cycle didn't fix it, but replace ssd did fix it.

I will try Titan again later today, but just looking for ideas.

Thanks,
Neal

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 8:44 AM Richard Shaw  wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 7:34 AM Neal Becker  wrote:
>
>> I know this is a bit OT, but you guys are great at answering all
>> questions.
>>
>> I bought a workstation from Titan computers around 1/2020 (dual EPYC
>> cpu).  After about 1 year it stopped working.  I could ssh to it, and
>> almost any command would return Input/Output error.  Unfortunately
>> journalctl gave input/output error so I can't see logs.  cat
>> /proc/partitions did not show any nvme device (the root device) on which
>> the OS was installed.
>>
>> I replaced the SSD with a samsung 980 pro.  Reinstalled fedora.  It then
>> worked a few weeks, then the exact same symptoms.
>>
>> I replaced the SSD with another samsung 980 pro, this time with
>> heatsink.  Reinstalled fedora.  It worked a few weeks.  Then same symptoms.
>>
>> Then I replaced with a 4th samsung 980 pro, but this time instead of
>> using the M.2 socket I used a pcie-m.2 adapter (in case something was wrong
>> with the m.2 socket).  Also added a surge protector outlet for good
>> measure. Reinstalled.  Watched the smartctl.  No errors.  Temperature was
>> always low.
>>
>> Now it's failed again, exactly same symptoms.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>
> I remember your other email about a month or so ago and thought it was
> really strange. Have you tried the drives in another system to confirm
> they're truly dead?
>
> I would check for BIOS updates just for good measure. Other than that,
> have you had any communication with Titan about it?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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ssd keeps dying (OT)

[Neal Becker]

I know this is a bit OT, but you guys are great at answering all questions.

I bought a workstation from Titan computers around 1/2020 (dual EPYC cpu).
After about 1 year it stopped working.  I could ssh to it, and almost any
command would return Input/Output error.  Unfortunately journalctl gave
input/output error so I can't see logs.  cat /proc/partitions did not show
any nvme device (the root device) on which the OS was installed.

I replaced the SSD with a samsung 980 pro.  Reinstalled fedora.  It then
worked a few weeks, then the exact same symptoms.

I replaced the SSD with another samsung 980 pro, this time with heatsink.
Reinstalled fedora.  It worked a few weeks.  Then same symptoms.

Then I replaced with a 4th samsung 980 pro, but this time instead of using
the M.2 socket I used a pcie-m.2 adapter (in case something was wrong with
the m.2 socket).  Also added a surge protector outlet for good measure.
Reinstalled.  Watched the smartctl.  No errors.  Temperature was always low.

Now it's failed again, exactly same symptoms.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: Interactive task scheduling (system) ? How do I run a list of tasks consecutively on a server ?

[Neal Becker]

My purpose is to queue up a bunch of tasks > #cpus, and have #cpus run at a
time in parallel.
So if I have 120 jobs to run, and 32 cores, I want to queue them all up and
run 32 in parallel at a time.
Or, maybe I need to set --ncpus=16 so schedule 16 parallel  jobs instead of
32 (my scheduler is very simple and doesn't know about free memory)

On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 10:24 AM John Mellor  wrote:

> On 2022-02-04 09:04, Neal Becker wrote:
>
> After this discussion, I needed a simple batch scheduling system.  I tried
> installing and starting condor on F35.  Never saw so many selinux
> problems.  Couldn't dnf remove it fast enough.
>
> After a bit of searching, I found the system I wrote 11 years ago.
> https://pypi.org/project/batch-queue/
>
> I just finished updating for py3 and a few more tweaks.
>
> It's a very simple system that runs on the local host and allows you to
> submit jobs.  It will schedule them up to the #cpus.  There are commands to
> list the queue, kill jobs, suspend and continue them.  Does just what I
> need.
>
> If it helps you too that's be great.
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 2:04 PM Fred Erickson 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:59:23 -0500
>> Neal Becker  wrote:
>>
>> > I've needed this over the years but all the ones I've seen appeared
>> > much too complex for my simple use case.  I ended up writing my own
>> > using pyxmlrpc.  Unfortunately haven't used it for years and don't
>> > know if I could find it again (was uploaded to pypi at one time).
>> >
>> > Are any of these batch systems simple to install, use, and maintain?
>> >
>>
>> I see batch was included with my f34 system and condor is provided in
>> the updates repo.
>
>
> I'm confused.  Why do you feel the need for an overly-complicated job
> scheduler, emulating the mainframe scheduling mess?  Linux is a unix-like
> system.  Why don't you simply use the already-installed batch command?  It
> can easily handle thousands of simultaneously-scheduled batch jobs without
> bringing the system to its knees.
>
> Unless your jobs are 100% cpu-bound, scheduling jobs by the number of cpus
> seems just wrong, leaving a lot of unused cpu cycles on the table.  If your
> jobs are i/o-bound, then disk or network load seems like it should be taken
> into account, not cpus.
>
> Luckily, the overall system load is always calculated for you with no
> complicated mechanisms required. The batch command by default will not
> schedule a job if the load > 1.5 so that you do not impact foreground
> processes very much.  You can also renice your batch job as required to
> lessen the as-running impact even more.
>
> If what you really need is a CI/CD system, then use the correct tools for
> the job.  Batch is generally not considered to be one of them.  Install
> Jenkins or CircleCI or any of a dozen tools that are built to do this right.
>
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Re: Interactive task scheduling (system) ? How do I run a list of tasks consecutively on a server ?

[Neal Becker]

After this discussion, I needed a simple batch scheduling system.  I tried
installing and starting condor on F35.  Never saw so many selinux
problems.  Couldn't dnf remove it fast enough.

After a bit of searching, I found the system I wrote 11 years ago.
https://pypi.org/project/batch-queue/

I just finished updating for py3 and a few more tweaks.

It's a very simple system that runs on the local host and allows you to
submit jobs.  It will schedule them up to the #cpus.  There are commands to
list the queue, kill jobs, suspend and continue them.  Does just what I
need.

If it helps you too that's be great.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 2:04 PM Fred Erickson 
wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:59:23 -0500
> Neal Becker  wrote:
>
> > I've needed this over the years but all the ones I've seen appeared
> > much too complex for my simple use case.  I ended up writing my own
> > using pyxmlrpc.  Unfortunately haven't used it for years and don't
> > know if I could find it again (was uploaded to pypi at one time).
> >
> > Are any of these batch systems simple to install, use, and maintain?
> >
>
> I see batch was included with my f34 system and condor is provided in
> the updates repo.
>
> Fred
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Re: pixel buds: either mono or no microphone, take your pick

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In case I wasn't clear, what I want is to have a microphone input AND
stereo sound.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 7:51 AM Neal Becker  wrote:

> I'm trying to use my pixel bud headphones with my laptop (lenovo X1 carbon
> gen 4).  I'm using kde and blueman-applet.
>
> Basically I can choose 2 profiles:
> High Fidelity Playback (A2DP sink)
> or
> Headset Head Unit (HSP/HFP)
>
> There are also variations on these with different codec choices, but that
> doesn't matter.
>
> If I choose High Fidelity Playback, I get stereo output, but no pixel bud
> mic input.
> If I choose Headset Head Unit, I get pixel bud mic input, but output is
> mono.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
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pixel buds: either mono or no microphone, take your pick

[Neal Becker]

I'm trying to use my pixel bud headphones with my laptop (lenovo X1 carbon
gen 4).  I'm using kde and blueman-applet.

Basically I can choose 2 profiles:
High Fidelity Playback (A2DP sink)
or
Headset Head Unit (HSP/HFP)

There are also variations on these with different codec choices, but that
doesn't matter.

If I choose High Fidelity Playback, I get stereo output, but no pixel bud
mic input.
If I choose Headset Head Unit, I get pixel bud mic input, but output is
mono.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Neal

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Re: Picking a new laptop

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My 'Ctrl-A' and 'Ctrl-E' work just fine (ctrl mapped to capslock where the
unix gods intended)..  Alt is meta.  What do you mean by "I wish there were
a Linux
desktop that did that and used the Command key the right way also."?

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 9:21 AM James Szinger  wrote:

> I have had good results from ThinkPads over the years.  The newest
> addition is an E595 which "just works" with Fedors 35 and was
> relatively affordable.  Business-class laptops and desktops also tend
> to be designed with service in mind, so they can be fixed.
>
> Another family member has an older HP Spectre X360 which runs mostly
> fine—the main issue is that scales correctly to the 4k display.  This
> affect both Linux and Windows.
>
> Finally, I am enjoying the MacBook I use for work.  It runs all the
> Unix software I want and 'Ctrl-A' and 'Ctrl-E' do the right thing in
> Emacs, the terminal, and the web browser.  I wish there were a Linux
> desktop that did that and used the Command key the right way also.
>
> Jim
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Re: Picking a new laptop

[Neal Becker]

I believe both lenovo and dell ship laptops with linux installed.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:37 PM Geoffrey Leach  wrote:

> H ... well how's about a company that designs *for* Linux?
> Star Labs https://starlabs.systems/ is a UK company that sells direct.
> I have their Starlite laptops and had absolutely no problem loading
> Fedora 32, even though it's not one of their "guaranteed to run" distos.
>
> Oh, and if something should go wrong, its nice to know that you won't
> get the, "Oh, we don't support Linux" response.
>
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 17:16:40 -0500 (EST)
> j...@zeff.us wrote:
>
> > I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm
> > probably going to need to get a new one.  If nothing else, this one
> > doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
> >
> > Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's
> > Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot
> > from the USB.  I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would
> > rather not get myself an Acer.  If any of you have had good
> > experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop,
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Re: Interactive task scheduling (system) ? How do I run a list of tasks consecutively on a server ?

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I've needed this over the years but all the ones I've seen appeared much
too complex for my simple use case.  I ended up writing my own using
pyxmlrpc.  Unfortunately haven't used it for years and don't know if I
could find it again (was uploaded to pypi at one time).

Are any of these batch systems simple to install, use, and maintain?

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 12:29 PM Matthew Miller 
wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 11:31:25AM -0700, linux guy wrote:
> > Is there anything simpler than Torque ?
>
> Yeah, these schedulers do get kind of complex. You might be happy with the
> simple "batch" command.
>
> On the other hand, if this is your field, it's probably worth your time to
> learn a bit about the more complicated systems, because you'll find them on
> compute clusters and HPC environments.
>
> Another oldie-but-goodie is Condor. While most schedulers are meant for the
> server room (and Condor works well there too), this one has some neat
> features where you can set it up on people's desktop (or even laptop!)
> systems and it'll run things when they're not busy. So if you have more
> than
> one machine in your house, you might be able to get more simulations run
> more quickly that way.
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Re: ssd keeps dying??

[Neal Becker]

Well I guess I can try reseating it, good idea.
Unfortunately this server is remote from me, so might as well collect ideas
before driving over.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 3:00 PM Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 1/16/22 11:44 AM, Neal Becker wrote:
> > Now it's dead again.  I can ssh to the machine.  I can cat
> > /proc/partitions and no nvme shown.  I can only issue a couple of
> > commands (I guess whatever is builtin to bash?), but almost all just
> > give I/O error.  no sudo or journatctl.
> >
>
> I presume that you're logged in as yourself, so you might try this:
>
> source .bashrc
> Source is a bash builtin so will work and this should get back your
> normal CLI environment.  It shouldn't really be needed, but might help.
>
> > The machine is only used for compute, not heavy I/O so not caused by ssd
> > wear (and smartctl showed no wear at all).
>
> I'm no hardware geek, but it sounds like the connections to the drive
> are bad.
>
> It just occurred to me that /home might be on that drive.  If so, source
> won't do any good and that will explain why you can't get much done
> through ssh.
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ssd keeps dying??

[Neal Becker]

I've had a workstation (dual amd rome) for about 2 years.  The M2 ssd died
after about 1 year.  I replaced it with a samsung 980 pro, which then
lasted almost 1 more year.  Then I replaced it with a 1TB samsung 980 pro,
this time with heat sink.  This lasted a few weeks.  I had been looking at
smart nvme data and saw no problems, temp was fine.

Now it's dead again.  I can ssh to the machine.  I can cat /proc/partitions
and no nvme shown.  I can only issue a couple of commands (I guess whatever
is builtin to bash?), but almost all just give I/O error.  no sudo or
journatctl.

The machine is only used for compute, not heavy I/O so not caused by ssd
wear (and smartctl showed no wear at all).

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Neal

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Re: Screen sharing: global solution for Wayland that works for all apps

[Neal Becker]

You may have heard me mention on this list that this is a barrier for me to
switch to Wayland.  Working from home, as so many of us are, I need to give
presentations.  I prefer not to share my screen, but share a window.  Using
chrome, for example, I could share a screen, a window, or a tab.  Problem
is, when run on Wayland, when I try to share a window only some windows are
shown as  choices.  Apparently these are the Wayland native windows.  In my
testing, none of the pdf viewers I've tried fall into this category and are
given as choices to share a window.  To me this is a showstopper, and I
have to believe a lot of others have similar issues.  For now I haven't
found any alternative except stay on X11.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 2:07 PM Raman Gupta  wrote:

> I'm finally switching over to Wayland as my daily driver.
>
> However, I'm still finding big problems with screen sharing in general.
> I'm on KDE/Plasma.
>
> Many apps that are supposed to support screen sharing on Wayland --
> Electron-based apps, Chromium, OBS, proprietary apps like Zoom etc. either
> completely don't work, or work but only partially. For example, Chrome can
> share X11 windows but not Wayland windows, and cannot share screens at all
> (the option is available, but the screens are just black). OBS doesn't work
> with Pipewire+Wireplumber either, though it does seem to be able to capture
> windows that are running under XWayland.
>
> Some very nice and useful apps e.g. Pop simply output: "we don't support
> Wayland, switch to X11".
>
> As long as it is up to each app to develop their own solutions for Wayland
> this situation is likely to only change in a decade or so, if even then.
> Are there any tech initiatives on the go -- maybe at the compositor level?
> -- to have Wayland screen sharing work essentially transparently to apps
> that have already got screen sharing working for X11? I'm fine with a
> global setting that says "I don't care about screen sharing security" --
> that's essentially what I'm doing by changing my desktop back to X11 anyway.
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Re: openvpn-client@nbecker8 won't start

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Well as to how the file had the wrong context, after re-installing F35
on the new SSD, I copied the /etc/openvpn directory from my borg
backup of the old one.  On the old machine I was running with selinux
disabled, so maybe it was wrong there also.

/etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf is a hand-edited file.  When first
created with e.g., emacs, is there a mechanism to ensure it got the
correct context?

On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 2:11 AM Ed Greshko  wrote:
>
> On 23/12/2021 13:08, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > Ed Greshko wrote:
> >> On 22/12/2021 21:26, Neal Becker wrote:
> >>> sudo ls -lZ /etc/openvpn/client
> >>> total 4
> >>> -rw-r--r--. 1 root openvpn system_u:object_r:openvpn_etc_t:s0 3533 Jan
> >>> 27  2021 nbecker8.conf
> >>>
> >>> This looks the same as other objects in /etc/openvpn/, so I'm guessing
> >>> it's correctly labeled?
> >>>sudo ls -lZ /etc/openvpn/
> >>> total 16
> >>> drwxr-x---. 1 root openvpn system_u:object_r:openvpn_etc_t:s0   26
> >>> Dec 15 14:14 client
> >>> drwxr-x---. 1 root openvpn system_u:object_r:openvpn_etc_t:s00
> >>> Dec 15 14:14 server
> >> Yes, this actually looks OK.
> >>
> >> You can run
> >>
> >> restorecon -n -v /etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf
> >>
> >> -n don't change any file labels (passive check).  To dis‐
> >>play the files whose labels would be changed, add -v.
> >>
> >> It will probably tell you that the selinux context won't be changed.
> >>
> >> So, the question then becomes why the special module is needed.
> > It seems that the selinux context is correct now, but the
> > AVC from Neal's earlier message showed the target file
> > context was fu./sefs_t (lightly re-formatted for clarity):
> >
> >> time->Tue Dec 21 14:10:56 2021 type=AVC ...
> >> avc:  denied  { open } for pid=120287 comm="openvpn"
> >> path="/etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf" dev="nvme0n1p3" ino=167775
> >> scontext=system_u:system_r:openvpn_t:s0
> >> tcontext=system_u:object_r:fusefs_t:s0 tclass=file permissive=0
> > At that time, /etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf had the
> > wrong selinux context (tcontext) which would explain why the
> > openvpn process (scontext) was not allowed to access it.
> >
> >> That would require a bit more troubleshooting.  But, it is
> >> too late in my day to advise what that would entail.  :-(
> > With luck, that infomation is accurate and useful in:
> > satiating your boundless curiosity, Ed (letting you get on
> > with your day/night); and making selinux ever-so-slightly
> > less random-feeling and vexing for you, Neal.  Slightly is
> > all I can manage, as I would never call myself an expert at
> > it. :)
>
> LOL...
>
> I believe you are quite correct when you note the content of the AVC has the
> selinux context for the target to be
>
> tcontext=system_u:object_r:fusefs_t:s0
>
> which would be problematic.  And, I admit that I really didn't look at the
> AVC.
>
> But, now I'm even more confused by this thread.
>
> I raised the question about the output of "ls -Z" on the target file in 
> response
> to the question "would be the restorecon command to use".  So, unless someone 
> responded
> off-list and Neal ran restorecon against the file how did the context change?
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Re: openvpn-client@nbecker8 won't start

[Neal Becker]

sudo ls -lZ /etc/openvpn/client
total 4
-rw-r--r--. 1 root openvpn system_u:object_r:openvpn_etc_t:s0 3533 Jan
27  2021 nbecker8.conf

This looks the same as other objects in /etc/openvpn/, so I'm guessing
it's correctly labeled?
 sudo ls -lZ /etc/openvpn/
total 16
drwxr-x---. 1 root openvpn system_u:object_r:openvpn_etc_t:s0   26
Dec 15 14:14 client
drwxr-x---. 1 root openvpn system_u:object_r:openvpn_etc_t:s00
Dec 15 14:14 server

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 8:01 AM Ed Greshko  wrote:
>
> On 22/12/2021 20:30, Neal Becker wrote:
> > So what exactly would be the restorecon command to use here?
>
> The first question to answer is, what is the output of
>
> ls -Z /etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf
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Re: openvpn-client@nbecker8 won't start

[Neal Becker]

So what exactly would be the restorecon command to use here?

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 7:27 AM Neal Becker  wrote:
>
>   sudo ausearch -c 'openvpn'
>
> time->Tue Dec 21 14:10:56 2021
> type=AVC msg=audit(1640113856.260:3683): avc:  denied  { open } for
> pid=120287 comm="openvpn" path="/etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf"
> dev="nvme0n1p3" ino=167775 scontext=system_u:system_r:openvpn_t:s0
> tcontext=system_u:object_r:fusefs_t:s0 tclass=file permissive=0
>
> So this tells me the problem was indeed a denial to open that file.
> Although I've administered unix/linux systems since 1980's, selinux is
> a subject I've not had to learn about until now.
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 5:16 PM Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 21, 2021, at 14:03, Kevin Becker  wrote:
> > >
> > > Probably selinux.  I have these notes for configuring a commercial VPN 
> > > provider to work.
> > >
> > >   sudo ausearch -c 'openvpn' --raw | audit2allow -M my-openvpn
> > >   sudo semodule -X 300 -i my-openvpn.pp
> >
> > Ack!  That’s not good advice. That’s basically saying: “whatever broken 
> > settings you have currently, let it be allowed” blindly. Is it set so open 
> > on can read all files on your file system now?  Who knows!  Maybe now it’s 
> > allowed to sniff your network traffic?  You can’t tell!  It is the selinux 
> > equivalent of just “chmod 777” you see people suggest for file permission 
> > problems.
> >
> > The appropriate first step is to use “restorecon” to relabel the files in 
> > /etc. Most likely that would have fixed it.
> >
> > The “audit2why” command might have mentioned a selinux Boolean or missing 
> > setting.
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Re: openvpn-client@nbecker8 won't start

[Neal Becker]

  sudo ausearch -c 'openvpn'

time->Tue Dec 21 14:10:56 2021
type=AVC msg=audit(1640113856.260:3683): avc:  denied  { open } for
pid=120287 comm="openvpn" path="/etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf"
dev="nvme0n1p3" ino=167775 scontext=system_u:system_r:openvpn_t:s0
tcontext=system_u:object_r:fusefs_t:s0 tclass=file permissive=0

So this tells me the problem was indeed a denial to open that file.
Although I've administered unix/linux systems since 1980's, selinux is
a subject I've not had to learn about until now.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 5:16 PM Jonathan Billings  wrote:
>
> On Dec 21, 2021, at 14:03, Kevin Becker  wrote:
> >
> > Probably selinux.  I have these notes for configuring a commercial VPN 
> > provider to work.
> >
> >   sudo ausearch -c 'openvpn' --raw | audit2allow -M my-openvpn
> >   sudo semodule -X 300 -i my-openvpn.pp
>
> Ack!  That’s not good advice. That’s basically saying: “whatever broken 
> settings you have currently, let it be allowed” blindly. Is it set so open on 
> can read all files on your file system now?  Who knows!  Maybe now it’s 
> allowed to sniff your network traffic?  You can’t tell!  It is the selinux 
> equivalent of just “chmod 777” you see people suggest for file permission 
> problems.
>
> The appropriate first step is to use “restorecon” to relabel the files in 
> /etc. Most likely that would have fixed it.
>
> The “audit2why” command might have mentioned a selinux Boolean or missing 
> setting.
>
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Re: openvpn-client@nbecker8 won't start

[Neal Becker]

Thanks, you are correct!  selinux strikes again.

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 2:03 PM Kevin Becker  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2021-12-21 at 11:40 -0500, Neal Becker wrote:
>
> I had a drive crash on a server running F34.  After replacing the
> drive and installing F35, I can't get openvpn-client@nbecker8 to
> start.  journalctl says:
> Dec 21 11:26:14 nbecker8 openvpn[80875]: Options error: In
> [CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file:
> /etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf
>
> The file is there, and I don't see how there might be a permissions
> issue (I even tried chmod 755 /etc/openvpn/client).  All the files in
> /etc/openvpn are root.openvpn.
>
> I'm stumped how to debug this.
>
> If I run opevpn --config /etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf, it works.
>
> Any ideas what's wrong or how to debug?
>
>
> Probably selinux.  I have these notes for configuring a commercial VPN 
> provider to work.
>
> sudo ausearch -c 'openvpn' --raw | audit2allow -M my-openvpn
> sudo semodule -X 300 -i my-openvpn.pp
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openvpn-client@nbecker8 won't start

[Neal Becker]

I had a drive crash on a server running F34.  After replacing the
drive and installing F35, I can't get openvpn-client@nbecker8 to
start.  journalctl says:
Dec 21 11:26:14 nbecker8 openvpn[80875]: Options error: In
[CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file:
/etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf

The file is there, and I don't see how there might be a permissions
issue (I even tried chmod 755 /etc/openvpn/client).  All the files in
/etc/openvpn are root.openvpn.

I'm stumped how to debug this.

If I run opevpn --config /etc/openvpn/client/nbecker8.conf, it works.

Any ideas what's wrong or how to debug?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: Setting up webserver for https??

[Neal Becker]

Not to mention encryption can seriously degrade function of some links
(long delay).  IETF has been captured by privacy zealots, and there's
not much hope of changing this any time soon.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:31 AM Tim via users
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> On Mon, 2021-12-13 at 11:14 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II via users
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> > I've run a web server on port 8081 for some time since
> > my ISP blocks ports 80 and 443 completely, and it has
> > worked fine.
> > Recently have noticed things in access_log that show
> > people are trying to connect to the port 8081 using
> > https?? Assume it is changes in browsers that want to do
> > https only.
>
> I'd only go through this pallaver if they cannot make a HTTP
> connection.  Are the logged attempts failing HTTPS and aborting, or
> failing HTTPS then succeeding with HTTP?
>
> I don't agree with this HTTPS everywhere thing.  Some things don't need
> to be encrypted, and some things can't be.  I wouldn't want my browser
> to prevent me from being able to browse some service.
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Re: Ejecting USB drive causing system reboot

[Neal Becker]

For a while now I've found on KDE that ejecting usb drive crashes
plasma, which then restarts itself.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 9:59 AM Richard Shaw  wrote:
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> I have a 125GB NVMe drive in a USB 3.0 enclosure that I was trying to 
> repartition using the Gnome Disks app.
>
> It failed miserably only giving me errors, so I loaded up gparted. That 
> worked fine other than the usual "I couldn't inform the kernel so you need to 
> reboot to see the new partition" error message.
>
> Since it was USB I just unplugged and replugged it. Problem solved.
>
> After I was happy with the result and closed gparted, I went to Nautilus and 
> ejected the drive. The eject button disappeared but the drive entry in the 
> navigator did not, and then my system suddenly rebooted.
>
> It's worth mentioning that I'm testing the 5.15.2-200 kernel on Fedora 35, 
> but even prior to running the testing kernel, with USB thumb drives I noticed 
> when I ejected them, not only did the entry not disappear, but the eject 
> button remained as well.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: F35 still running pulseaudio after upgrade

[Neal Becker]

My audio seems to be working fine, but I do see both
pipewire
pipewire-pulse
are running.  Should they be?

Thanks,
Neal

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> On 11/3/21 11:57, Ulf Volmer wrote:
> > sudo dnf install --allowerasing pipewire-pulseaudio
> >
> > should deo the job.
>
> It did indeed.  Thank you!
>
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Re: Today's dnf update hangs on papirus-icon-theme-20210901-2.fc35?

[Neal Becker]

Just to followup, after dnf removing papirus-icon-theme (which I
didn't need), dnf update completes normally.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 1:30 PM Neal Becker  wrote:
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> dnf seems to just hang on this update, using 100% cpu:
>
> papirus-icon-theme-20210901-2.fc35.noarch.rpm
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