Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 00:52, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 1/8/19 4:52 PM, George N. White III wrote: > > Avoid USB NIC's. Have a look at pfSense > > What is wrong with USB network devices? The USB3 ones can even do > Gigabit and they work well. > A router/firewall has to process lots od small

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

Rick Stevens wrote: >> Fedora changes every 6 months--sometimes in major ways that are not >> necessarily backwards compatible with existing systems. John Harris sent: > Oh, never mind, there it is. You never meant stable, you meant "It > updates too often for me to figure out how to manage."

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On 1/10/19 5:37 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:06 AM John Harris wrote: > > Sorry, one decision for a firewall on low cost hardware with features > should definitely be OPNSense I guess it depends the definition of "low cost hardware" and what the OP really wants to do.

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:06 AM John Harris wrote: Sorry, one decision for a firewall on low cost hardware with features should definitely be OPNSense ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 2:45:39 PM EST Rick Stevens wrote: > It's compatibility with _existing_ software that's in question here. Is > Fedora stable? Well, most of the time. Not always. Upgrades sometimes > screw the boot environment or corrupt the initrd or any of may other > issues. Kernel

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On Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:59:56 PM EST Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:43:11 -0500 > John Harris wrote: > > > > Fedora is always in a stable > > condition at release. > > > I can't count the number of times moving to the next > fedora release has broken stuff requiring me to

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On 1/10/19 10:43 AM, John Harris wrote: > On Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:16:11 PM EST Rick Stevens wrote: >> If I may offer my $0.02, Fedora on production systems is not a great >> idea. We manage well over 2000 servers each in two data centers. The >> vast majority (>85%) are CentOS-based

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:43:11 -0500 John Harris wrote: > Fedora is always in a stable > condition at release. I can't count the number of times moving to the next fedora release has broken stuff requiring me to fall back on the old version till things get fixed. Every fedora new release always

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:16:11 PM EST Rick Stevens wrote: > If I may offer my $0.02, Fedora on production systems is not a great > idea. We manage well over 2000 servers each in two data centers. The > vast majority (>85%) are CentOS-based because of its relative stability. > The remainder

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On 1/9/19 7:20 PM, Robin Laing wrote: > On 08/01/2019 17:52, George N. White III wrote: >> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 12:10, Alex > > wrote: >> >>     Hi, >>     I need a gateway for our new office. I'd like it to run Fedora. What >>     are my options? I'd like to be

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On 08/01/2019 17:52, George N. White III wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 12:10, Alex > wrote: Hi, I need a gateway for our new office. I'd like it to run Fedora. What are my options? I'd like to be able to do the following:   - provide VPN back to

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:01:33 PM EST Samuel Sieb wrote: > If you're suggesting to run Fedora off a USB port, then remember that > they also usually only have max 32MB of RAM as well. :-) 32-64 MiB, but that's fine. More than enough. You just can't use one of the standard images. --

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On 1/9/19 11:51 AM, John Harris wrote: On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:36:53 PM EST Samuel Sieb wrote: I use Fedora for desktops, laptops, and servers in various places, but in this case, Fedora is not suitable to run on a wifi router. In a lot of cases, there is only 8MB of flash to store the

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:36:53 PM EST Samuel Sieb wrote: > I use Fedora for desktops, laptops, and servers in various places, but > in this case, Fedora is not suitable to run on a wifi router. In a lot > of cases, there is only 8MB of flash to store the OS, or if you're > really lucky

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On 1/9/19 12:19 AM, John Harris wrote: On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:14:25 AM EST Terry Barnaby wrote: I know you asked for Fedora, but a standard, low cost router, running OpenWRT, https://openwrt.org/, would likely be better for the tasks you mention. OpenWRT is a minimal Linux system with

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

Look up Jetway devices.  They're small, fanless, and don't use a lot of power. On 1/8/19 11:09 AM, Alex wrote: > Hi, > I need a gateway for our new office. I'd like it to run Fedora. What > are my options? I'd like to be able to do the following: > > - provide VPN back to the main office > -

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On 08.01.2019 17:09, Alex wrote: Hi, I need a gateway for our new office. I'd like it to run Fedora. What are my options? I'd like to be able to do the following: - provide VPN back to the main office - provide basic masquerading of hosts on inside network - be small enough to fit on a

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 9:05:56 AM EST Chris Adams wrote: > It's the difference between using a multitool and a purpose-built tool. > Sure, your Leatherman or Gerber can strip wires and screw in a switch, > but a good pair of wire strippers and assorted size screwdrivers will > usually be

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

Once upon a time, John Harris said: > I cannot think of any reason not to use ones distro of choice as their > gateway > and/or VPN. I personally use a system Fedora (well, Fedora + Freed-ora- > freedom) for my router and VPN. OpenWRT is not inherently better than Fedora, > and there are many

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

Once upon a time, Samuel Sieb said: > On 1/8/19 11:15 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > >Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: > >>Intel sells boxes they call NUCs. > > > >NUC only has one ethernet port built-in, although newer models also have > >a Thunderbolt port, which should drive a decent speed

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 7:48:24 AM EST wwp wrote: > True, but you may also fail at upgrading (see the users ML) and it > means possibly fail every 6 months ;-). You cannot be serious in > recommending Fedora for a server in production, just because it has > up-to-date software without

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

Hello, On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 07:37:53 -0500 John Harris wrote: [snip] > > 4. Fedora's aggressive new "feature" release cycle is painful for such > > low level infrastructure. > > Nope. Fedora has releases about every 6 months. This means your systems will > just about always have the latest

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:33:25 AM EST Terry Barnaby wrote: > 1. Fedora is big and bloated for small/low powered hardware that can be > used for this task and low energy usage is important in my opinion for > 24/7 systems. I've successfully run Fedora (certainly not the images published,

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On 09/01/2019 08:19, John Harris wrote: On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:14:25 AM EST Terry Barnaby wrote: I know you asked for Fedora, but a standard, low cost router, running OpenWRT, https://openwrt.org/, would likely be better for the tasks you mention. OpenWRT is a minimal Linux system with

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:14:25 AM EST Terry Barnaby wrote: > I know you asked for Fedora, but a standard, low cost router, running > OpenWRT, https://openwrt.org/, would likely be better for the tasks you > mention. OpenWRT is a minimal Linux system with the ability to install > extra

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

I know you asked for Fedora, but a standard, low cost router, running OpenWRT, https://openwrt.org/, would likely be better for the tasks you mention. OpenWRT is a minimal Linux system with the ability to install extra packages. It has a simple to use WEB admin system and can do all the things

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On 1/8/19 11:15 AM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: Intel sells boxes they call NUCs. NUC only has one ethernet port built-in, although newer models also have a Thunderbolt port, which should drive a decent speed network. The servers I run usually only have 1

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On 1/8/19 4:52 PM, George N. White III wrote: Avoid USB NIC's.     Have a look at pfSense What is wrong with USB network devices? The USB3 ones can even do Gigabit and they work well. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 12:10, Alex wrote: > Hi, > I need a gateway for our new office. I'd like it to run Fedora. What > are my options? I'd like to be able to do the following: > > - provide VPN back to the main office > - provide basic masquerading of hosts on inside network > - be small

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

Once upon a time, Terry Polzin said: > Raspberry PI PIs make terrible routers since the only NIC is on the USB2 bus (and so would any additional NIC). I don't get the fascination with PIs - they're cheap, but they are not a good solution to a great many things people try to use them for. --

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: > Intel sells boxes they call NUCs. NUC only has one ethernet port built-in, although newer models also have a Thunderbolt port, which should drive a decent speed network. A strike against the NUC is that Intel basically requires Windows from some types of

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

Raspberry PI On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:44 PM Tom Horsley wrote: > Intel sells boxes they call NUCs. I'm running fedora on > one at home seems to work fine (as a media PC). Asus > makes similar sized bookshelf systems. A lot of them > come with Windows forced down your throat, I got a > NUC

Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

Intel sells boxes they call NUCs. I'm running fedora on one at home seems to work fine (as a media PC). Asus makes similar sized bookshelf systems. A lot of them come with Windows forced down your throat, I got a NUC without memory or disk and added my own. Lookup mini PC on amazon for a vast