Thanks for all the comments!
A number of things to consider.
An additional question? Are there any resources/services/people you
might know of who do remote sys admin stuff for the small dev/project
operation?
Thanks
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:21 PM Gordon Messmer
wrote:
>
> On 5/20/21 3:18
On 5/20/21 3:18 AM, Tim via users wrote:
1. Me, who has a webserver, mailserver, whatever, and wants it to keep
on running without having to continually tinker with it manually. A
well managed rolling-release system may succeed there.
Cool, but neither Fedora nor CentOS Stream are rolling
On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 18:38 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> So it's not stability in the sense of stuff being broken; it's
> stability in the sense of stuff being disruptive.
I can see three major aspects to that:
1. Me, who has a webserver, mailserver, whatever, and wants it to keep
on running
On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 11:24 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> They didn't drop releases entirely, just minor releases. And that's
> good, because minor releases in CentOS were a bug. They did not
> improve reliability the way that minor releases improve RHEL
> reliability.
>
>
On 5/19/21 4:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
I know there's a lot of worry, but this particular one doesn't really make
sense. All changes going into CentOS Stream are accepted for inclusion in an
upcoming minor release of RHEL. You get those updates sooner rather than
later, but the net result is
I am not qualified to answer your question, but I will throw in some vague
opinions.
You probably do not want to be updating your system and packages every
week. Some packages you may want to never update: systemd, mesa, glibc,
kernel, plymouth, firefox.You might not want wayland,
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:29:31PM -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote:
> Those who want CentOS are a different type of user than Fedora. They have
> production machines for which LTS stability is far more important than
> latest'n'greatest. THAT is dropped--you're likely to have to do a big-bang
> refresh
On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 11:52 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 5/19/21 9:58 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
> > The CentOS developers seem to be moving to a new workalike called
> > Rocky
> > Linux:
>
> Rocky Linux was created by a former CentOS developer (one of the
> founders). However, I'm not aware
On 5/19/21 11:07 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 5/19/21 6:06 PM, bruce wrote:
Hi.
In the middle of trying to figure out a dev platform. So, looking at a
blank slate to figure out what version of OS should have on the
"work" laptop. Project work will be on the laptop as well as cloud
VM..
In
Well, from these responses I can deduce one thing for sure:
Whatever CentOS is these days, their press releases were not
very clear about it :-).
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On 5/19/21 9:58 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
The CentOS developers seem to be moving to a new workalike called Rocky
Linux:
Rocky Linux was created by a former CentOS developer (one of the
founders). However, I'm not aware of any current developers moving to
other rebuilds. Those developers are
On 5/19/21 11:29 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote:
Those who want CentOS are a different type of user than Fedora. They have
production machines for which LTS stability is far more important than
latest'n'greatest. THAT is dropped--you're likely to have to do a big-bang
refresh on CentOS now every 30-60
On 19 May at 13:24, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> They didn't drop releases entirely, just minor releases. And that's
> good, because ...
Those who want CentOS are a different type of user than Fedora. They have
production machines for which LTS stability is far more important than
On 5/19/21 10:50 AM, John Mellor wrote:
They didn't drop it at all. They changed from a fixed release
schedule to a rolling release. As a potential dev environment, this
is a huge improvement. RedHat and CentOS tend to be running ancient
versions of tools and apps in the name of stability -
On 5/19/21 10:08 AM, Roger Heflin wrote:
They dropped "releases". What it is now appears to be a continuous
stream of rolling updates with no defined 7.9 release, just a stream.
They didn't drop releases entirely, just minor releases. And that's
good, because minor releases in CentOS were
On 5/19/21 6:06 PM, bruce wrote:
Hi.
In the middle of trying to figure out a dev platform. So, looking at a
blank slate to figure out what version of OS should have on the
"work" laptop. Project work will be on the laptop as well as cloud
VM..
In general, until not too long ago, Fedora used
On 2021-05-19 12:23 p.m., Dave Ihnat wrote:
On 19 May at 11:16, Terry Polzin wrote:
Actually you may be better off with CENTOS for stability.
Except Redhat has dropped CentOS. They announced it in December;
lessee...here's an article:
On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 13:18, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:06:56 -0400
> bruce wrote:
>
> > So, I'm interested in thoughts for the group.
>
> For things I want to be relatively stable, I've tended
> to use the ubuntu LTS release with long support times
> so I have no reason to
On 19 May at 11:58, Bill Oliver wrote:
> The CentOS developers seem to be moving to a new workalike called Rocky
> Linux:
>
> https://news.itsfoss.com/rocky-linux-announcement/
Yeah, there was discussion of a couple of fork projects planned back in
December. The downsides are twofold, that I
I've actually.made the move to a combination of Rocky Linux and Alma
Linux...theyre both suitable to the tasks at hand!
EGO II
On Wed, May 19, 2021, 12:58 PM Bill Oliver wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 11:23 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote:
> > On 19 May at 11:16, Terry Polzin wrote:
> > >
They dropped "releases". What it is now appears to be a continuous stream
of rolling updates with no defined 7.9 release, just a stream.
For a stable OS I am not sure that is any better or worse than releases.
With fedora changing major package versions it might cause chaos, but it
probably
On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 11:23 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote:
> On 19 May at 11:16, Terry Polzin wrote:
> > Actually you may be better off with CENTOS for stability.
>
> Except Redhat has dropped CentOS. They announced it in December;
> lessee...here's an article:
>
>
The CentOS developers seem
On 19 May at 11:16, Terry Polzin wrote:
> Actually you may be better off with CENTOS for stability.
Except Redhat has dropped CentOS. They announced it in December;
lessee...here's an article:
https://talesfromthedatacenter.com/2020/12/centos-and-the-bomb-that-ibm-red-hat-dropped/
I've not
On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:06:56 -0400
bruce wrote:
> So, I'm interested in thoughts for the group.
For things I want to be relatively stable, I've tended
to use the ubuntu LTS release with long support times
so I have no reason to upgrade frequently.
I started using fedora because where I worked
Actually you may be better off with CENTOS for stability. Another
consideration will be your desktop manager. As some use more resources than
others. My opinion, the simpler the better.
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:08 PM bruce wrote:
> Hi.
>
> In the middle of trying to figure out a dev
Hi.
In the middle of trying to figure out a dev platform. So, looking at a
blank slate to figure out what version of OS should have on the
"work" laptop. Project work will be on the laptop as well as cloud
VM..
At the same time (if it matters), looking to to have a new laptop --
12-16G,
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