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Looks really great, thanks! Can I put it to
download.openvz.org/contrib/? I am also interested in putting
your template.
That would be great - feel free to upload the files. We can also contribute
installation howtos on the wiki if you want.
From the quick review (no testing yet) I see
Darryl Ross wrote:
I've not been able to get migrations working in openvz at
all. I just
end up using the same process I use under linux-vserver to migrate
guests between machines: rsync once, rsync a second time (to reduce
the time stopped), stop the guest, resync a third time,
Hi Jim,
I just uploaded a fixed version (0.4-1) to:
http://www.proxmox.com/cms_proxmox/en/technology/oss-software/openvz/
Please can you test if it works now?
Best Regards
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does --suspend causing downtime of the VE? if yes how long?
in the case a VE have used 40GB of disk space.
Several seconds delay, but services will continue to work.
i tried to use --snapshot, but it seems that it wants to
create new partition on the LVM, while all the space on my
Where can I find more information about vps capabilities, i.e. what
exactly is:
NET_BIND_SERVICE
KILL
LINUX_IMMUTABLE
NET_ADMIN
SYS_CHROOT
VE_ADMIN
Is there any ocumentation about that available?
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Ah -i see. So it is possible to run vzctl inside a vps and do most vps
admin tasks there?
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VE_ADMIN
it is a restricted subset of CAP_SYS_ADMIN+CAP_NET_ADMIN capability for
VE root.
it allows to do a lot of thing allowed for std root, like configuring
firewalls,
network devices, etc.
Most likely there answer is - possible, but not easily.
vzctl requires access to some of vps files, global configs,
ve configs etc. Theoretically it can be fixed and adopted
(e.g. to have 2 global configs: one in VE0 for admin VPS
or also do a bind mount for /etc/vz/ ?
start and one
As you might know already, since 028stab045 kernel from RHEL5
branch we support Xen architecture. That basically means one
can run OpenVZ kernel on top of Xen hypervisor, in both DomU and Dom0.
My quick question/request is: if you are using it (or want
to), please let me know.
That
You also need to copy the config file: /etc/vz/conf/110.conf
(You can also use vzmigrate script to copy a vps)
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An:
Hi all,
I just managed to acces my VPS via X11, using XDMCP and and entry in
inetd.conf:
vnc stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/bin/Xvnc Xvnc -inetd -query 127.0.0.1
-once -depth 16 -geometry 1024x768 securitytypes=none
That way i can simply open an X11 session (note: there is no need to use
an
vzdump currently uses the valuse from the global config (/etc/vz/vz.conf).
I will add this feature request to my todo list.
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Hi All,
I am confused about the values written by vzsplit.
vzsplit -n 35
# Configuration file generated by vzsplit for 35 VEs
# on HN with total amount of physical mem 1011 Mb
# low memory 883 Mb, swap size 4095 Mb, Max treads 8000
# Resourse commit level 0:
# Free resource distribution. Any
I would note that vmguarpages is not physical RAM guarantee,
it limits virtual memory (i.e RAM + swap).
yes, RAM + swap - but that is 5GB, not 21GB im my case!
However your results really looks strange, and I'm going to
investigate this issue tomorrow.
I also do not understand the value
I changed the path for the DUMPDIR line in the global conf
file, but when I ran vzdump it still used the old value. Is
there something I have to reload to get the new value to take?
You need to change the values of VE_PRIVATE and VE_ROOT.
- Dietmar
Could you please send me (probably via PM) config example
generated by vzsplit -n 35?
done with PM
btw, you can look at vzsplit sources here:
http://git.openvz.org/?p=vzctl
;a=blob;f=src/vzsplit.c;h=6d752023e3266d6eb72edf83357caa8626
7ee236;hb=HEAD
CPULIMITS values is used to
Hi all,
documentation says swap should be pyhsical RAM*2.
I wonder if that is still recommended for newer machines which has
really much RAM - lets say 16GB.
Should I really use 32GB swap space for such machine?
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just use the --exclude-path option
--exclude-path REGEXexclude certain files/directories
see the manual page for details (man vzdump)
- Dietmar
Hi Dietmar and all...
I have another suggestion for VZDUMP, if you don't mind.
Like most people, I have been using it for backup of VPSs.
and running original init binary.
Kirill
Dietmar Maurer wrote:
But I cant do that with current vzctl, instead I need to modify the
source?
env.c 301: char *envp[] = {HOME=/, TERM=linux,
CONSOLE=/var/log/init.log, NULL};
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To get what you want you need a slightly more elaborate
script, something like the following (untested):
#!/bin/sh
# file must be there - create it if we're pid 1 [ $$ = 1 ]
echo /var/log/init.log export CONSOLE=/var/log/init.log exec
/sbin/init.org $@
That said, I do think we
Hi all,
i am trying to setup a veth as described in:
http://wiki.openvz.org/Virtual_Ethernet_device
but vznetcfg script alwasy returns:
According to /etc/vz/conf/.conf VE has no veth IPs configured.
Seems vznetcfg script has some errors, because it simply calls
EXTERNAL_SCRIPT without
Ah, I see - thanks
- Dietmar
From what I see, VEID is passed to vznetcfg via environment
variable, and vznetcfg script itself exports VEID before
calling EXTERNAL_SCRIPT
-- so it should work at least in theory :)
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well, looks like vzctl exec is the only way to get the
access to the veth settings inside a VE.
Well, slight speedup you can get if you use ip command
instead of ifconfig. :)
Hope using vzctl exec is not so slow, isn't it?
Sure, vzctl exec ist quite fast.
- Dietmar
won't change inode numbers across nodes... As another option
- VE in a file (via loopbacks) which we plan to implement in
nearest future.
VE in a file sounds interesting - what is the reasoning about that
(advantages, usage scenarios)?
- Dietmar
Hi all,
i want to run a few qemu VMs inside VE0. Just wonder how to set
fairsched properties
for a single process?
- howto create a new faisched group (for the qemu process)?
- howto assign weight/rate
or is that not possible at all?
- Dietmar
OK, basically found the syscall interface in kernel/fairsched.c
But how do I find out the syscall numbers, i.e how do I
call sys_fairsched_mknod() with userspace syscall()
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I just downloaded the latest version from jit with:
git clone git://git.openvz.org/pub/linux-2.6.24-openvz
linux-2.6.24-openvz.org
(hope that is correct)
configuration, compilation worked without problem (compiling for amd64).
but when i try to start a VE I get the following error:
any idea
node should be deleted normally only when no processes left.
it's possible to fix syscall to return an error when node is
non-empty...
Ok, will try make sure that no processes left. But I thing the syscall
should be fixed too.
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care to create a patch?
Please can you give me a hint where i can find the list of
processes associated with a fairsched node?
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hi all,
my init logging patch works so far, but unfortunately it breaks
checkpointing:
---
vzctl chkpnt 101
Setting up checkpoint...
suspend...
dump...
Can not dump container: Invalid argument
Error: d_path err=-22
Checkpointing failed
---
Maybe some of
Just a guess: its the logging proxess itself, because that process still runs
on the host - I need to do a exec instead?
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Adding a check makes sense. But first -- why do you need perl
at all? Is there something that can't be done in shell?
I guess you are right - will rewrite it.
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Attached is the new patch.
- Dietmar
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Hi all,
I just tested 2.6.24 with the new fairsched. Everything seems to works
like expected - great.
I wonder if openvz-2.6.24 is now feature complete, or is there still
something missing?
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is available at: http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Downloads
Let us know what you think!
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Tested wit openvz 2.6.24 from git and debian etch.
We normaly use a bridged network config (/etc/network/interfaces):
---
auto vmbr0
iface vmbr0 inet static
address 192.168.1.2
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.1.1
bridge_ports eth0
Hi all,
Just compiled latest 2.6.24 from git. I consistently get a kernel
Panic when i stop a CT (ipv6 related) - someone else observing that?
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Dietmar Maurer wrote:
Hi all,
Just compiled latest 2.6.24 from git. I consistently get a kernel
Panic when i stop a CT (ipv6 related) - someone else
observing that?
We do. Fill a bug in bugzilla, we'll look whether this is
already fixed.
I just update to latest git (commit
Hi all,
Are there any good books around concerning linux kernel developement -
with
up to date infos for new 2.6 features like cgroups?
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Why I asked is because of that bridge problem:
http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msgth=5291#msg_26576
A bridge always select the lowest mac address.
This patch solves the problem, but i am not sure if there are side effects.
Hi all,
whats the best iosched for openvz servers. I found:
The deadline scheduler uses five I/O queues to keep track of I/O. It's
designed to emphasize
average read-request response time for workloads that seek all over the
disk.
Maybe the deadline scheduler is better than using the default
Do I understand correctly that you actually experience the
following problem:
1. veth MAC address is lower then your ethX MAC.
2. so brX is assigned min(vethX-MAC, ethX-MAC) which is vethX-MAC.
3. and what is the your problem with that? that host system
MAC changes dynamically and
If I got your problem right then I can advise you a possible
solution - in RHEL5 kernel we have a functionality called
via_phys_dev (triggered by BRCTL_SET_VIA_ORIG_DEV ioctl).
This forces kernel to work with original interface ethX
(first added to bridge) and pass the traffic to it.
Hi all,
In Proxmox VE we want to support multiple bridges. I currently use a
patch
which adds an bridge parameter to the netif options:
NETIF=ifname=XXX,bridge=XXX,mac=XXX,host_ifname=XXX,host_mac=XXX
--netif_add ifname[,mac,host_ifname,host_mac,bridge]
I also modified --netif_add to accept
And here is the vznetaddbr we use (attached).
I wonder if we can include that into the vzctl release - I
will post
the patch if soembody is interested.
Dietmar,
it will be useful indeed, please, provide patch to devel@
mailing list.
Please do so. I've written my
Hi Kir,
Von: Kir Kolyshkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 03. Juli 2008 13:35
An: users@openvz.org; Dietmar Maurer
Betreff: Re: AW: [Users] Multiple bridge support
How do you invoke it? Using EXTERNAL_SCRIPT?
Would be good to have a patch adding (conditional
Hi all,
with the new vzctl bridge patch sent yesterday it is easy to build up
hosts with complex 'virtual' networks. In Proxmox VE we have 9 bridges -
each CT can connect to one or more bridges.
I guess in theory it is possible to run a fully functional firewall
inside a CT. Does somebody has
It would be just great if you can provide a patch to vzctl
man page describing the new parameter, and the according wiki
modifications/additions.
Here is the patch for the man page.
I am not sure how to edit the wiki. Howto indicate
that the feature is only available in newest version
from
I don't quite get it. Is it supposed to be a replacement for
vznetaddbr, an addition to it, or is it orthogonal to it? Who
and when calls vznetaddbr?
It merges vznetaddbr into vznetcfg, making
vznetaddbr obsolete.
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Hi all,
With latest 2.6.24 from git we get errors inside 'futex_wake'
Not always in same program. It only happens from time to time.
Any idea what can cause that? v2.6.24-ovz004 works without problems.
- Dietmar
Unable to handle kernel paging request at 8fcc289b RIP:
Having not used Xen but being very interested in all forms of
virtualization and how folks are using it, I'm curious.
What does one do with a kernel that does both OpenVZ and
Xen? Do you
run multiple Doms and a few of them use OpenVZ? Is there a
reason that
neither OpenVZ nor
Aug 28 17:09:19 localhost kernel: can't load conntrack support for
proto=2
What kind of network do you use - venet or veth?
Try veth if not already done.
There is also that vzctl --capability option, maybe you need some
additional capabilities (net_broadcast, net_admin, net_raw).
-
Btw, i just noticed that the mailing list archives are not up to date:
http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=threadfrm_id=7;
Last entry is fron August 13
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You cant load modules inside the container.
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this is strange because I have all those modules loaded on
HardwareNode...
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Hi all,
I am looking for testers for the new vzdump version, available here:
DEB:
http://www.proxmox.com/cms_proxmox/cms/upload/vzdump/vzdump_1.1-1_all.de
b
RPM:
http://www.proxmox.com/cms_proxmox/cms/upload/vzdump/vzdump-1.1-1.noarch
.rpm
SOURCE:
Hi all,
currently you need to use the following command to change the password
inside a CT:
vzctl set CTID --userpasswd root:XXX
This starts/stop the CT if it is not already running.
That is OK unless you have preconfigured appliance templates which does
some
initialization at
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To: users@openvz.org
Subject: [Users] create CT with password
Hi all,
currently you need to use the following command to change the password
inside a CT:
vzctl set CTID --userpasswd root:XXX
This starts
postcreate script can then modify /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow.
attached is a modified postcreate script
- Dietmar
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The only problem is the solution is not generic. In other words, we
can't know how different distros handle local users. It used to be
crypt(3) and /etc/passwd (later /etc/shadow) manipulation. Now
everybody
uses PAM which can be configured in this or that way. For example, new
passwords are
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:58:46AM +0100, Dietmar Maurer wrote:
Is there are real world example where my approach does not work?
I think your approach won't work as is, at least in any tcb-enabled
system (see http://www.openwall.com/tcb/) for two obvious reasons:
- file where root shadow
I think your approach won't work as is, at least in any tcb-enabled
system (see http://www.openwall.com/tcb/) for two obvious reasons:
- file where root shadow entry is stored is not /etc/shadow;
I guess it is possible to detect the file and store the password?
It is a simple test for
Is there are real world example where my approach does not work?
I check for /etc/shadow, and store as md5 - AFAIK the user is able to
login with that password on all distribution using pam_unix. If not, we can
still
try to read and parse the pam configuration.
It will not work for nis, but
This way you'll have to either use the most weak hashing algorithm
supported by every container OS, or risk that your modern hashing
algorithm is not supported by some container OS.
We can customize the scripts per OS (as we do already for other
settings). And
md5 is supported on almost any
And is it really possible to store the root password on NIS? What happen on
filesystem errors - usually single user mode ask for a password before fsck.
But sure,
that can't happen within a container.
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Whithout having gone through the docs I'm curious as to what kind of
protocol it uses to talk to the remote VZ hosts.
https and VNC
Can you talk a little about the security of the model used by Proxmox?
Can I, on the client VZ HNs managed by Proxmox, limit what commands
Proxmox can
what is the minimum HW requirements for Proxmox?
Can it be installed on an AMD 686 single core CPU? (just for
testing/learning of course... :-)
http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Installation#System_requirements
So an old AMD 686 will not work.
- Dietmar
https and VNC
And I would imagine that cluster nodes talk to each other over ssh,
right?
Yes.
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It uses HTTPS to issue commands to the VZ nodes in the cluster? Really?
I guess you should look at the code yourself if you want to know how it works.
Can you talk a little about the security of the model used by
Proxmox?
Can I, on the client VZ HNs managed by Proxmox, limit what commands
It uses HTTPS to issue commands to the VZ nodes in the cluster?
Really?
I guess you should look at the code yourself if you want to know how it
works.
A short overview:
Web based clients connect via HTTPS to an apache2 server (and VNC proxyies
for the java console).
Technologies: HTTPS,
It uses HTTPS to issue commands to the VZ nodes in the cluster? Really?
What are VZ nodes?
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it possible to install pve on i386 as well, the minimun packages
and the most pve scripts are written in perl, only useing pve with
The i386 architecture has some serious drawbacks, and we do not want to
deal with them (pve itself is written in perl and not really
architecture dependent).
-
setup. We have asked about the possibility of a lite version that
was for OpenVZ only but the Proxmox VE folks are interested in doing
that... so... since the source is GPLed, if someone wants to grab the
ball and run with it, it is possible.
One problem is that we are a small team, the
But before you start the i386 port think twice - there are many useful
things you can do instead ;-)
Which reminds me about the following issues with openvz:
- '-cpus' is still not working with 2.6.24 - very, very, bad!
- live migration is still unstable with 2.6.24
...
- Dietmar
... ok, what can we i do ;-)
Depends on what you want to work on?
Kernel 2.6.24: implement '-cpus' and make live migration stable
openvz: we need a way to describe the contents of an openvz template.
Like the control file in a debian package. And we also want apt-like
repositories for those
Hi all,
the debian documentation states
(http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html)
The kernel maintains a system hostname. The initscript
/etc/init.d/hostname.sh sets the
system hostname at boot time (using the hostname command) to the name
stored in /etc/hostname.
If you use Proxmox VE, the bridge device is automatically created for
you by
the installer. Also, bridge-utils are automatically installed.
How do you installed the system?
yes, veth is always bridged (automatically). So there is nothing to
configure on the main host.
Perhaps i
This one uses BSD pseudo terminal - seem to work much better that the
previous 'fifo' approach.
What do you think?
- Dietmar
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Hi all,
here is a slightly improved version. It work now with sysvinit and
upstart.
Any change to get that merged into upstream code?
- Dietmar
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From: Dietmar Maurer
Sent: Mittwoch, 17. Dezember 2008 14:36
To: users@openvz.org
Subject: another init-logger patch
Hi all,
I just moved our asterisk installation into a container. Everything
worked well
besides the ztdummy timer device.
After some debugging it turns out that it is a 64bit/32bit problem.
My host is an amd64 debian etch (Proxmox VE).
Container: debian lenny 32bit - fails
Container: debian
But what is with devices added with --devnodes ? Does that still work
if udev starts?
- Dietmar
diff --git a/addons/vz-MAKEDEV/40-vz-misc.nodes b/addons/vz-MAKEDEV/40-
vz-misc.nodes
new file mode 100644
index 000..8b49c26
--- /dev/null
+++ b/addons/vz-MAKEDEV/40-vz-misc.nodes
@@ -0,0
How does adding an additional setting like PRIMARY_IP help? Instead
you can simply change the order of IP_ADDRESS. What is the difference?
- Dietmar
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From: users-boun...@openvz.org [mailto:users-boun...@openvz.org] On
Behalf Of Marcin Owsiany
Sent: Samstag, 03.
Where can I find the information regarding the directories and files
which
each VE take from the HN ? which means files and directories are not
taken
from inside the VE and those directories and files are virtual from the
HN.
AFAIK there are no such files, but some files get modified. Maybe
I read that manpage multiple times, trying to figure out what exactly
happens when. It states that specifying INADDR_ANY is equivalent to
not
calling bind() at all before connect(). However if you read closely,
it
does not state the semantics of such situation for active sockets
(i.e. sockets
Hi all,
I am testing the newest ubuntu hardy openvz kernel (amd64).
git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git
When I start a container I get the following errors:
Jan 8 10:43:12 oahu kernel: ioctl32(mount:886): Unknown cmd fd(4)
cmd(80041272){t:12;sz:4} arg(bfaf9f48) on /
Jan 8
I have the same behavior. It works on the HN, but inside the CT there is no nat
table:
# cat /proc/net/ip_tables_names
mangle
filter
no idea why.
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Behalf Of Pongracz Istvan
Sent: Donnerstag, 08.
Have you found the reason?
no, unfortunately not.
It seems strange from my point of view.
cmd =80041272 should be BLKGETSIZE64_32
Seems in your case the call chain is:
compat_sys_ioctl - compat_ioctl_error - compat_printk(ioctl32
...)
But IMHO it should be
---8---
compat_sys_ioctl:
It may be some another ioctl. Could you please check mount version
inside your
container? Then you can grep all ioctls in mount sources and found
this
place.
Hi Vasily,
I just found the error - I forgot to close a filehandle in my
init-logger patch.
So everything works now.
many thanks for
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but given that you have only one
interface, I
don't think that routing can affect address binding (which happens
waaay before
the kernel gets to routing any packets).
What is we simple add 'private' IPs after visible IPs?
- Dietmar
Even no well defined API for job automation
(http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msggoto=10694;)
I my opinion there is an API - called 'vzctl'
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What is we simple add 'private' IPs after visible IPs?
That would make me happy, at least for my current setup. Although it's
possible that someone might have a more complicated internal network,
where some RFC1918 network is NATed to the outside world, but others
not. It would not be
One of them have 12 VEs, not CPU intensive, and we are having this
load:
You don't mention what you have for disks. On Linux the load average
includes processes blocking on I/O. A slow disk setup can cause a
high
load.
But then 'wa' would show a higher value.
- Dietmar
The
VETH_IP_ADDRESS and VE_DEFAULT_GATEWAY statements don't seem to have
any
effect
OpenVZ does not have that functionality. IP setup inside the CT is
only implemented for venet.
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What kernel patch do I need to get --swappages working with
http://git.openvz.org/?p=ubuntu-hardy-openvz;a=summary
Or isn't that possible?
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I have upload the new version which fixes that problem.
http://www.proxmox.com/cms_proxmox/en/virtualization/openvz/vzdump/
- Dietmar
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Sent: Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2009 22:42
To: users@openvz.org; Dietmar Maurer
Subject
vzvdump snapshot doesn't work at fresh proxmox install :
proxmox:~# vzdump --snapshot --compress --dumpdir /backup 101
INFO: Starting new backup job - vzdump --snapshot --compress
--dumpdir /backup 101
INFO: Starting Backup of VM 101 (qemu)
INFO: status = running
ERROR: unable to detect
Hello, list. I've been using OpenVZ since last year. Now I'd like to
configure the cluster I've been using to use remote storage, so that
migrations do not require to copy the container's filesystem.
Reading the wiki and the forum, I've learned that NFS is not
recommended, but I don't know
Sorry, forget my last answer. I guess the problem is your locale setting. Try
to run with LANG=C
- Dietmar
-Original Message-
From: users-boun...@openvz.org [mailto:users-boun...@openvz.org] On
Behalf Of Dietmar Maurer
Sent: Mittwoch, 02. September 2009 15:59
To: users@openvz.org
Hi all,
we have done a complete rewrite of vzdump. There is not much additional
functionality for OpenVZ, mostly code cleanups.
* stop mode does not use --tmpdir anymore. So downtime is longer, but you do
not need additional space (as requested by many users)
* no more --restore option
Hi Scott,
I've seen quite a bit of interest in using KVM and OpenVZ together.
Proxmox VE has been doing this for some time but they use a 2.6.24-
based kernel. Anyone using the latest OpenVZ RHEL5-based kernel and
KVM together.
We are already testing that kernel for proxmox ve - first
We also had problem with DRDB on that kernel. We ended up compiling
the DRBD module ourselves.
- Dietmar
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From: users-boun...@openvz.org [mailto:users-boun...@openvz.org] On
Behalf Of Aleksandar Ivanisevic
Sent: Donnerstag, 24. Dezember 2009 13:07
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