[SOGo] BTS activities for Monday, October 26 2015
Title: BTS activities for Monday, October 26 2015 BTS Activities Home page: http://www.sogo.nu/bugs Project: SOGo For the period covering: Monday, October 26 2015 idlast updatestatus (resolution)categorysummary 3362 2015-10-26 06:05:36 updated (open) Backend Calendar Can't invite participant 3371 2015-10-26 15:13:52 updated (open) Web Calendar External Exchange user cannot accept an invitation 2614 2015-10-26 10:09:22 resolved (fixed) ActiveSync Contact postal address is shown on a single line
Re: [SOGo] Outlook clients failure (MAPIStoreIOException)
Hello. Den 26-10-2015 kl. 18:35 skrev Harold Fines: Christian: I tried, unfortunately to no avail :( then i can't be of any help In case this provides a clue: After boot I have to manually "systemctl restart smbd samba-ad-dc", otherwise I get: you might want try and debug with gdb, that's all the help i can give regarding this, but with a good stacktrace i'm sure some one here on the list can help [2015/10/26 17:35:43.091643, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:52(oc_logv) MAPIPROXY server mode enabled [2015/10/26 17:35:43.094140, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:54(oc_logv) Using MySQL backend for openchangedb: mysql://openchange:password@localhost/openchange [2015/10/26 17:35:43.109776, 0] mapiproxy/servers/default/emsmdb --- cut --- Christian Jensen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME-signeret meddelelse
Re: [SOGo] Outlook clients failure (MAPIStoreIOException)
On 26/10/15 17:35, Harold Fines wrote: Christian: I tried, unfortunately to no avail :( In case this provides a clue: After boot I have to manually "systemctl restart smbd samba-ad-dc", otherwise I get: [2015/10/26 17:35:43.091643, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:52(oc_logv) MAPIPROXY server mode enabled [2015/10/26 17:35:43.094140, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:54(oc_logv) Using MySQL backend for openchangedb: mysql://openchange:password@localhost/openchange [2015/10/26 17:35:43.109776, 0] mapiproxy/servers/default/emsmdb/dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb.c:1672(dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb_init) === [2015/10/26 17:35:43.110149, 0] mapiproxy/servers/default/emsmdb/dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb.c:1672(dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb_init) OPENCHANGE INTERNAL ERROR: pid 1182 [2015/10/26 17:35:43.110348, 0] mapiproxy/servers/default/emsmdb/dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb.c:1672(dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb_init) [exchange_emsmdb] Unable to initialize openchangedb [2015/10/26 17:35:43.112247, 0] mapiproxy/libmapiproxy/fault_util.c:53(debug_print_backtrace) BACKTRACE: 14 stack frames: #00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapiproxy.so.0(debug_print_backtrace+0xa1) [0x7f993878ff38] #01 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapiproxy.so.0(openchange_abort+0x75) [0x7f99387900b7] #02 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(+0x11459) [0x7f9935a9b459] #03 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapiproxy.so.0(+0xa17b) [0x7f993877517b] #04 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapiproxy.so.0(mapiproxy_server_init+0x89) [0x7f9938775241] #05 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/dcerpc_server/dcesrv_mapiproxy.so(+0x1e157) [0x7f99389ce157] #06 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdcerpc-server.so.0(dcesrv_init_context+0x97) [0x7f9943950ed7] #07 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/service/dcerpc.so(+0xc95) [0x7f9943bc7c95] #08 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/process_model/standard.so(+0x1642) [0x7f99486ae642] #09 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libservice.so.0(task_server_startup+0x4f) [0x7f99563c500f] #10 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libservice.so.0(server_service_startup+0x92) [0x7f99563c3cd2] #11 /usr/sbin/samba(+0x99fd) [0x7f99576d09fd] #12 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf5) [0x7f9953210b45] #13 /usr/sbin/samba(+0x5dee) [0x7f99576ccdee] [2015/10/26 17:35:43.116238, 0] ../source4/rpc_server/dcerpc_server.c:1194(dcesrv_init_context) dcesrv_init_context: failed to init endpoint server = 'mapiproxy': NT_STATUS_INTERNAL_ERROR [2015/10/26 17:35:43.117175, 0] ../source4/smbd/service_task.c:35(task_server_terminate) task_server_terminate: [Failed to startup dcerpc server task] STATUS=daemon 'samba' finished starting up and ready to serve connectionssamba_terminate: Failed to startup dcerpc server task [2015/10/26 17:36:38.802556, 0] ../file_server/file_server.c:48(file_server_smbd_done) file_server smbd daemon exited normally [2015/10/26 17:36:38.803751, 0] ../source4/smbd/service_task.c:35(task_server_terminate) task_server_terminate: [smbd child process exited] After "systemctl restart smbd samba-ad-dc": [2015/10/26 17:36:40.995337, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:52(oc_logv) MAPIPROXY server mode enabled samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. [2015/10/26 17:36:41.005783, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:54(oc_logv) Using MySQL backend for openchangedb: mysql://openchange:password@localhost/openchange [2015/10/26 17:36:41.008768, 0] ../lib/util/become_daemon.c:136(daemon_ready) samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. I do get intermittent messages like this in log.samba: samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. There is nothing in ocsmanager.log that provides any insight (I also tried enabling debug line in config, no change): Starting server in PID 703. serving on http://127.0.0.1:5000 2015-10-26 17:37:47,150 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 0] client did not pass auth cookie 2015-10-26 17:37:52,804 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 1] client did not pass auth cookie 2015-10-26 17:37:52,828 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 2] client did not pass auth cookie 2015-10-26 17:37:52,838 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 3] client did not pass auth cookie 2015-10-26 17:37:52,839 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 3] acquiring lock /var/cache/ntlmauthhandler/ntlm-127.0.0.1.lock (703) 2015-10-26 17:37:53,426 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 4] acquiring lock /var/cache/ntlmauthhandler/ntlm-127.0.0.1.lock (
Re: [SOGo] Outlook clients failure (MAPIStoreIOException)
Christian: I tried, unfortunately to no avail :( In case this provides a clue: After boot I have to manually "systemctl restart smbd samba-ad-dc", otherwise I get: [2015/10/26 17:35:43.091643, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:52(oc_logv) MAPIPROXY server mode enabled [2015/10/26 17:35:43.094140, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:54(oc_logv) Using MySQL backend for openchangedb: mysql://openchange:password@localhost/openchange [2015/10/26 17:35:43.109776, 0] mapiproxy/servers/default/emsmdb/dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb.c:1672(dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb_init) === [2015/10/26 17:35:43.110149, 0] mapiproxy/servers/default/emsmdb/dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb.c:1672(dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb_init) OPENCHANGE INTERNAL ERROR: pid 1182 [2015/10/26 17:35:43.110348, 0] mapiproxy/servers/default/emsmdb/dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb.c:1672(dcesrv_exchange_emsmdb_init) [exchange_emsmdb] Unable to initialize openchangedb [2015/10/26 17:35:43.112247, 0] mapiproxy/libmapiproxy/fault_util.c:53(debug_print_backtrace) BACKTRACE: 14 stack frames: #00 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapiproxy.so.0(debug_print_backtrace+0xa1) [0x7f993878ff38] #01 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapiproxy.so.0(openchange_abort+0x75) [0x7f99387900b7] #02 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(+0x11459) [0x7f9935a9b459] #03 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapiproxy.so.0(+0xa17b) [0x7f993877517b] #04 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapiproxy.so.0(mapiproxy_server_init+0x89) [0x7f9938775241] #05 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/dcerpc_server/dcesrv_mapiproxy.so(+0x1e157) [0x7f99389ce157] #06 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdcerpc-server.so.0(dcesrv_init_context+0x97) [0x7f9943950ed7] #07 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/service/dcerpc.so(+0xc95) [0x7f9943bc7c95] #08 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/process_model/standard.so(+0x1642) [0x7f99486ae642] #09 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libservice.so.0(task_server_startup+0x4f) [0x7f99563c500f] #10 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libservice.so.0(server_service_startup+0x92) [0x7f99563c3cd2] #11 /usr/sbin/samba(+0x99fd) [0x7f99576d09fd] #12 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf5) [0x7f9953210b45] #13 /usr/sbin/samba(+0x5dee) [0x7f99576ccdee] [2015/10/26 17:35:43.116238, 0] ../source4/rpc_server/dcerpc_server.c:1194(dcesrv_init_context) dcesrv_init_context: failed to init endpoint server = 'mapiproxy': NT_STATUS_INTERNAL_ERROR [2015/10/26 17:35:43.117175, 0] ../source4/smbd/service_task.c:35(task_server_terminate) task_server_terminate: [Failed to startup dcerpc server task] STATUS=daemon 'samba' finished starting up and ready to serve connectionssamba_terminate: Failed to startup dcerpc server task [2015/10/26 17:36:38.802556, 0] ../file_server/file_server.c:48(file_server_smbd_done) file_server smbd daemon exited normally [2015/10/26 17:36:38.803751, 0] ../source4/smbd/service_task.c:35(task_server_terminate) task_server_terminate: [smbd child process exited] After "systemctl restart smbd samba-ad-dc": [2015/10/26 17:36:40.995337, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:52(oc_logv) MAPIPROXY server mode enabled samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. [2015/10/26 17:36:41.005783, 0] libmapi/oc_log.c:54(oc_logv) Using MySQL backend for openchangedb: mysql://openchange:password@localhost/openchange [2015/10/26 17:36:41.008768, 0] ../lib/util/become_daemon.c:136(daemon_ready) samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. I do get intermittent messages like this in log.samba: samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. samba: setproctitle not initialized, please either call setproctitle_init() or link against libbsd-ctor. There is nothing in ocsmanager.log that provides any insight (I also tried enabling debug line in config, no change): Starting server in PID 703. serving on http://127.0.0.1:5000 2015-10-26 17:37:47,150 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 0] client did not pass auth cookie 2015-10-26 17:37:52,804 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 1] client did not pass auth cookie 2015-10-26 17:37:52,828 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 2] client did not pass auth cookie 2015-10-26 17:37:52,838 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 3] client did not pass auth cookie 2015-10-26 17:37:52,839 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 3] acquiring lock /var/cache/ntlmauthhandler/ntlm-127.0.0.1.lock (703) 2015-10-26 17:37:53,426 INFO [openchange.web.auth.NTLMAuthHandler] [worker 4] acquiring lock /var/cache/ntlmauthhandler/ntlm-127.0.0.1.lock (703) 2015-10-26 17:38:29,086 INFO [openchange.web.
Re: [SOGo] importing a calendar from sogo-tool backup to an other user?
Hi, Am 26.10.2015 um 14:56 Uhr schrieb Götz Reinicke - IT Koordinator: I have a sogo-tool backup of an user from which I need one calendar to be restored to the sogo account of an other existing user. Is this possible? the backup file are plain text (JSON IMHO). To edit and merge two backup file seems doable, if one takes a little bit of time to understand the content of the files. Never tried it though. Marc -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] importing a calendar from sogo-tool backup to an other user?
Hi, I have a sogo-tool backup of an user from which I need one calendar to be restored to the sogo account of an other existing user. Is this possible? Thanks for hints . Regards . Götz -- Götz Reinicke IT-Koordinator Tel. +49 7141 969 82420 E-Mail goetz.reini...@filmakademie.de Filmakademie Baden-Württemberg GmbH Akademiehof 10 71638 Ludwigsburg www.filmakademie.de Eintragung Amtsgericht Stuttgart HRB 205016 Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Jürgen Walter MdL Staatssekretär im Ministerium für Wissenschaft, Forschung und Kunst Baden-Württemberg Geschäftsführer: Prof. Thomas Schadt smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [SOGo] Outlook clients failure (MAPIStoreIOException)
Hello this is just a suggestion but for me. i have to set the main domain (the domain i use with OpenChange) i use *outside* the domains config, like this. sogo.conf: { SOGoMailDomain = domain.tld; SOGoUserSources = ( [] user sources here... [] ); [] all my config [] domains = { MY-EXTRADOMAINS.TLD= { }; }; } Regards Christian Jensen Den 26-10-2015 kl. 13:40 skrev Harold Fines: Similar issue as https://lists.inverse.ca/sogo/arc/users/2015-06/msg00085.html I'm using Debian 8 Jessie with Inverse's own packages. Everything is working (SOGo webmail, Dovecot, Postfix, etc) except "full Exchange" clients (Oulook 2007/2010/2013 (Outlook 2013 configured to use ActiveSync is working fine)). As the first Exchange client connects i get the following in log.samba: 2015-10-26 13:16:53.928 samba[15969] [SOGo: sogo_backend_list_contexts:319] - EXCEPTION: MAPIStoreIOException, reason: 'OCSFolderInfoURL' is not set, backtrace: /usr/lib/libgnustep-base.so.1.24(+0x232e96) [0x7ff61dcc2e96] /usr/lib/libgnustep-base.so.1.24(+0x233bbc) [0x7ff61dcc3bbc] /usr/lib/libgnustep-base.so.1.24(+0x2337a3) [0x7ff61dcc37a3] /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/SOGoBackend.MAPIStore/./SOGoBackend(+0x608cc) [0x7ff610e6e8cc] /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/SOGoBackend.MAPIStore/./SOGoBackend(+0x60913) [0x7ff610e6e913] /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/SOGoBackend.MAPIStore/./SOGoBackend(+0xa5d34) [0x7ff610eb3d34] /usr/lib/GNUstep/SOGo/SOGoBackend.MAPIStore/./SOGoBackend(+0x67dd5) [0x7ff610e75dd5] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mapistore_backends/SOGo.so(+0x3047) [0x7ff61e5a2047] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapistore.so.0(mapistore_backend_list_contexts+0x9e) [0x7ff6211f49e2] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapistore.so.0(mapistore_list_contexts_for_user+0x56) [0x7ff6211eff47] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(emsmdbp_mailbox_provision+0xcc) [0x7ff61f9f3704] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(+0x22691) [0x7ff61f9f6691] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(EcDoRpc_RopLogon+0x144) [0x7ff61f9f6dbf] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(+0xf6dd) [0x7ff61f9e36dd] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(+0x10b9c) [0x7ff61f9e4b9c] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(+0x112e4) [0x7ff61f9e52e4] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapiproxy.so.0(mapiproxy_server_dispatch+0xad) [0x7ff6226be6bf] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/dcerpc_server/dcesrv_mapiproxy.so(+0x1dd1e) [0x7ff622917d1e] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdcerpc-server.so.0(dcesrv_process_ncacn_packet+0x4b9) [0x7ff62d89a169] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdcerpc-server.so.0(+0x66d5a) [0x7ff62d89ad5a] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdcerpc-binding.so.0(+0x10007) [0x7ff63df65007] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libsamba-sockets.so.0(+0xa0d9) [0x7ff63aadb0d9] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libsamba-sockets.so.0(+0x8fab) [0x7ff63aad9fab] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtevent.so.0(tevent_common_loop_immediate+0xd4) [0x7ff63d4e67c4] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtevent.so.0(+0x908e) [0x7ff63d4eb08e] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtevent.so.0(+0x7797) [0x7ff63d4e9797] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtevent.so.0(_tevent_loop_once+0x8d) [0x7ff63d4e5f9d] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtevent.so.0(tevent_common_loop_wait+0x1b) [0x7ff63d4e613b] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtevent.so.0(+0x7737) [0x7ff63d4e9737] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/process_model/standard.so(+0x1655) [0x7ff6325f8655] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libservice.so.0(task_server_startup+0x4f) [0x7ff64030f00f] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libservice.so.0(server_service_startup+0x92) [0x7ff64030dcd2] /usr/sbin/samba(+0x99fd) [0x7ff64161a9fd] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf5) [0x7ff63d15ab45] /usr/sbin/samba(+0x5dee) [0x7ff641616dee] 2015-10-26 13:16:53.929 samba[15969] Backtrace using execinfo.h: 2015-10-26 13:16:53.929 samba[15969] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mapistore_backends/SOGo.so(+0x2508) [0x7ff61e5a1508] 2015-10-26 13:16:53.929 samba[15969] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mapistore_backends/SOGo.so(+0x30dc) [0x7ff61e5a20dc] 2015-10-26 13:16:53.929 samba[15969] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapistore.so.0(mapistore_backend_list_contexts+0x9e) [0x7ff6211f49e2] 2015-10-26 13:16:53.929 samba[15969] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmapistore.so.0(mapistore_list_contexts_for_user+0x56) [0x7ff6211eff47] 2015-10-26 13:16:53.929 samba[15969] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(emsmdbp_mailbox_provision+0xcc) [0x7ff61f9f3704] 2015-10-26 13:16:53.929 samba[15969] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/openchange/dcerpc_mapiproxy_server/exchange_emsmdb.so(+0x22691) [0x7ff61f9f6691] 2015-10-26 13:16:53.929 sa
[SOGo] Re: OpenChange/OCSManager
Hello Harold. sending this to the list as it belongs there. the issue you refer to i fixed by reinstalling every thing, and making sure every thing about samba was working i *think* the reason it wasn't working, were related to acl on the that node since shared folders in samba did not work. that's all i can say, it worked after reinstalling the server. Regards Christian Jensen Den 26-10-2015 kl. 13:24 skrev Harold Fines: Good afternoon. I'm really torn about sending you this email directly but it seems that noone else have encountered this specific issue. I'm hoping you will find time to reply :) AD: https://lists.inverse.ca/sogo/arc/users/2015-06/msg00085.html SOGo: sogo_backend_list_contexts:319] - EXCEPTION: MAPIStoreIOException, reason: 'OCSFolderInfoURL' is not set, backtrace: I've encountered the very same issue and I have been unable to remedy it myself. Did you ever find a solution? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME-signeret meddelelse
[SOGo] groups in groups
Hello, I have set an Active Directory LDAP group entry in sogo.conf, it's working but I wonder if it's possible to have group(s) in group? For exemple If I create a calendar event and invit a group G1 that owning users U1, U2 and a group G2 owning U3, then U3 is not invited... Is it a current limitation or did I do something wrong? This is my user and group smb.conf section : SOGoUserSources = ( { // - Utilisateurs - CNFieldName = cn; IDFieldName = cn; UIDFieldName = userPrincipalName; baseDN = "OU=utilisateurs,DC=ariane,DC=intra"; bindDN = "CN=ldap,CN=Users,DC=ariane,DC=intra"; bindPassword = ldappw; bindFields = ( sAMAccountName, userPrincipalName ); hostname = "ldap://172.20.2.3:389";; canAuthenticate = YES; isAddressBook = YES; displayName = "Utilisateurs Active Directory"; // mapping AD du champ Service et Societe mapping = { ou = ("department","ou"); o = ("company","o"); }; id = "ariane.intra"; type = ldap; }, { // --- Groupes CNFieldName = cn; IDFieldName = cn; UIDFieldName = cn; baseDN = "OU=Organigramme,DC=ariane,DC=intra"; bindDN = "CN=ldap,CN=Users,DC=ariane,DC=intra"; bindPassword = ldappw; bindFields = sAMAccountName; hostname = "ldap://172.20.2.3:389";; canAuthenticate = YES; isAddressBook = YES; displayName = "Groupes Active Directory"; id = "g.ariane.intra"; type = ldap; } ); Thanks -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists