Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
On 24/06/2013 13:39, raymond wrote: I am sitting watching the demonstration video of sogo on youtube and giving a big sigh!! Wondering how the hell did they get it to work. Must I purchase a support pack, yes or no. mmm NO if the demo doesn't work, I can just imagine how the support is going to work. Yes I know the ZEG does works but I am yet to experience a working demo with outlook as shown in the video on youtube. Phew, now that I had the opportunity to blow off steam I would like to apologise to the Sogo team. If you do have a working product then great stuff, just a pity you have not found a way to share it with people like me. Man I am so irritable at the moment I can shout it from the roof tops no reflection on Sogo... just me wanting something and not getting it... I am just tossing out my toys, banging my head against the wall and shouting at ants... And all because I can't figure out where I am going wrong with the outlook setup. Oh, look there is another ant... Good bye. Hello Raymond, I sympathise with you but also with the SOGo team. There is an obvious hole in what you can do with a Linux server. It's not necessarily that it does not act as an Exchange server but that the functionality of an email server beyond simply sending and receiving emails using Internet standards is missing. Microsoft protocols are usually very complicated, The SAMBA team have done fantastically well to make it work like Microsoft NT Server. The SOGo team are trying to do this for Exchange. What should happen is a set of open standards should be written. These would define how the client and the server talk to each other to handle address book data and calendar data. The server could then store it's data in whatever database suits it. This might be the companies own database or one which came with the service. The client could be an ipad or MS Outlook or Thunderbird. Whatever, no matter since this standard would be added to the client just like IMAP or POP is currently. Trying to reverse engineer a Microsoft product is a bit sad. It's all reflected glory. Open Office is like this. I could go on... Regards, Wayland. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
If it were not for the desire and in some cases the actual need for Outlook, then reverse engineering would not be necessary. As an alternative, if there were another client that would allow for connection to Sharepoint calendars and would also allow for the use of existing third party Outlook plugins, then we could use that. If you do not need Outlook, then the web interface or Thunderbird (with its plugins) is enough. Of course, working with Thunderbird and its issues requires some reverse engineering as well - or at least patience. On 06/26/2013 07:35 AM, Wayland Sothcott wrote: Hello Raymond, I sympathise with you but also with the SOGo team. There is an obvious hole in what you can do with a Linux server. It's not necessarily that it does not act as an Exchange server but that the functionality of an email server beyond simply sending and receiving emails using Internet standards is missing. Microsoft protocols are usually very complicated, The SAMBA team have done fantastically well to make it work like Microsoft NT Server. The SOGo team are trying to do this for Exchange. What should happen is a set of open standards should be written. These would define how the client and the server talk to each other to handle address book data and calendar data. The server could then store it's data in whatever database suits it. This might be the companies own database or one which came with the service. The client could be an ipad or MS Outlook or Thunderbird. Whatever, no matter since this standard would be added to the client just like IMAP or POP is currently. Trying to reverse engineer a Microsoft product is a bit sad. It's all reflected glory. Open Office is like this. I could go on... Regards, Wayland. Privileged, Proprietary and/or Confidential Information may be contained in this electronic message. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not copy it, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents, but should kindly return to the sender immediately and delete your copy from your system. Gulf Interstate Engineering Company does not accept responsibility for changes made to this electronic message or its attachments. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
On 26/06/2013 14:41, raymond wrote: Hi Wayland, thank you for your reply. I don't know if you will get this email, I have been kicked off the list by Ludovic Marcotte for my last comments. I am sure that the Sogo team is working hard and I really hope they crack the whip on MS Exchange server. We need people like the Sogo team. What frustrated me a bit was the fact that the Zeg is advertised on the site as a zero config test environment to see the product in action. The Sogo web GUI worked fine and the sending test mail with the interface worked fine but there was just no way Outlook stayed connected for me to see the results of using a native connection to outlook. I google'd the problem with Outlook and found some people who had the same issues but with no reply on how to resolve it, this is why I got a bit mad after discovering one post where someone commented on a user problem and one of the team suggested that they purchase a support pack. This is where I snapped and got the idea that the Zeg was not working and to get it to work you had to purchase support. Anyway I had another discussion and it just may be Windows 8 with outlook 2007 that is not tested with the Zeg and it could be a bug. Outlook has all the SP's 1-3 installed, firewall turned off, hosts set in windows etc etc... as per the docs but no luck to get outlook connected. If you don't use the exchange setup in outlook and you use the account (auto detect) option then the IMAP server is detected on the Zeg. By doing this you don't have Calendar synchronization, only mail items as you would expect from an IMAP server. One Sogo member on the list assured me that the Zeg works with outlook. So now I am in the process of testing WindowsXP with Outlook (2003 and 2007) and then will move onto Windows 7 with Outlook (2007) I addition I will be starting from scratch to configure CentOS 6.4 with Samba 4 and to see if I can get OpenChange running. Better to start from the bottom up. Regards, Ray Hello Ray, Indeed your message did not reach the group but my reply will. I messed around with ZEG for quite a while and even managed to make an installable ISO so I could run it on hardware. I don't know if the ZEG is up to date with the current SOGo but I had disconnection problems and very slow response. I tried Outlook XP and Outlook 7 on XP and Windows 7. It was obvious to me that this was not ready for my customers as I could not handle the frustration myself. I love Open Source software but it's a mystery to me what is motivating the developers. Is someone paying them? Do they thrive on people complaining about bugs? Are they planning on selling the whole thing to Oracle? Here's what I do. There are loads of small businesses with two or three computers and they struggle to share work without a server. I get a decent old computer and make a server using Linux. It acts as file storage and email server. It bugs me that they can't all use the same address book. Also these days people are using their smartphones for email. It's easy enough to get the smartphone to use the server for email but again no address book. The calendar function would be great. This market is dominated by Microsoft in the medium sized businesses and Google in the small businesses. I don't think it's good if people keep all their stuff with companies hooked into PRISM. One bloke died and another is on the run so that we could be told this blindingly obvious bit of info:- the worlds governments have all our emails and data. Regards, Wayland. -Original Message- From: Wayland Sothcott [mailto:wayl...@sothcott.co.uk] Sent: 26 June 2013 02:36 PM To: users@sogo.nu Cc: raym...@joburgtheatre.com Subject: Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please! On 24/06/2013 13:39, raymond wrote: I am sitting watching the demonstration video of sogo on youtube and giving a big sigh!! Wondering how the hell did they get it to work. Must I purchase a support pack, yes or no. mmm NO if the demo doesn't work, I can just imagine how the support is going to work. Yes I know the ZEG does works but I am yet to experience a working demo with outlook as shown in the video on youtube. Phew, now that I had the opportunity to blow off steam I would like to apologise to the Sogo team. If you do have a working product then great stuff, just a pity you have not found a way to share it with people like me. Man I am so irritable at the moment I can shout it from the roof tops no reflection on Sogo... just me wanting something and not getting it... I am just tossing out my toys, banging my head against the wall and shouting at ants... And all because I can't figure out where I am going wrong with the outlook setup. Oh, look there is another ant... Good bye. Hello Raymond, I sympathise with you but also with the SOGo team. There is an obvious hole in what you can do with a Linux server. It's not necessarily
Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
On 26/06/2013 14:42, Miles Lott wrote: If it were not for the desire and in some cases the actual need for Outlook, then reverse engineering would not be necessary. As an alternative, if there were another client that would allow for connection to Sharepoint calendars and would also allow for the use of existing third party Outlook plugins, then we could use that. If you do not need Outlook, then the web interface or Thunderbird (with its plugins) is enough. Of course, working with Thunderbird and its issues requires some reverse engineering as well - or at least patience. It sounds like I am coming at the problem backwards. Outlook is a popular and competent email client but if I found another one my customers would use that. There used to be a little address book and calendar that looked like a filofax, it was fantastic and could even share it's file over the network so several people could use it. This was discontinued rather than developed further. I rather feel that the lack of a simple solution to this common and simple problem is deliberate. Novel Netware was very reliable but the corporation I worked for migrated away from this to TCP/IP which I did not understand at the time. The same corporation moved away from Lotus Notes to Microsoft Exchange and I have never understood. I am becoming convinced that the way to solve this problem is to ignore the existing 'solutions' such as any Thunderbird plugins or MS Exchange or LDAP and create a very simple protocol. Then people can create the plugins for the email clients and the web interface and the backend server database interface etc to their hearts content. No one has to try and pretend to be MS Exchange. On 06/26/2013 07:35 AM, Wayland Sothcott wrote: Hello Raymond, I sympathise with you but also with the SOGo team. There is an obvious hole in what you can do with a Linux server. It's not necessarily that it does not act as an Exchange server but that the functionality of an email server beyond simply sending and receiving emails using Internet standards is missing. Microsoft protocols are usually very complicated, The SAMBA team have done fantastically well to make it work like Microsoft NT Server. The SOGo team are trying to do this for Exchange. What should happen is a set of open standards should be written. These would define how the client and the server talk to each other to handle address book data and calendar data. The server could then store it's data in whatever database suits it. This might be the companies own database or one which came with the service. The client could be an ipad or MS Outlook or Thunderbird. Whatever, no matter since this standard would be added to the client just like IMAP or POP is currently. Trying to reverse engineer a Microsoft product is a bit sad. It's all reflected glory. Open Office is like this. I could go on... Regards, Wayland. Privileged, Proprietary and/or Confidential Information may be contained in this electronic message. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not copy it, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents, but should kindly return to the sender immediately and delete your copy from your system. Gulf Interstate Engineering Company does not accept responsibility for changes made to this electronic message or its attachments. -- Mobile: 07925 431381 Office: 01787 388165 -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
On 26.06.2013 17:28, Wayland Sothcott wrote: On 26/06/2013 14:42, Miles Lott wrote: If it were not for the desire and in some cases the actual need for Outlook, then reverse engineering would not be necessary. As an alternative, if there were another client that would allow for connection to Sharepoint calendars and would also allow for the use of existing third party Outlook plugins, then we could use that. If you do not need Outlook, then the web interface or Thunderbird (with its plugins) is enough. Of course, working with Thunderbird and its issues requires some reverse engineering as well - or at least patience. It sounds like I am coming at the problem backwards. Outlook is a popular and competent email client but if I found another one my customers would use that. There used to be a little address book and calendar that looked like a filofax, it was fantastic and could even share it's file over the network so several people could use it. This was discontinued rather than developed further. I rather feel that the lack of a simple solution to this common and simple problem is deliberate. Novel Netware was very reliable but the corporation I worked for migrated away from this to TCP/IP which I did not understand at the time. The same corporation moved away from Lotus Notes to Microsoft Exchange and I have never understood. I am becoming convinced that the way to solve this problem is to ignore the existing 'solutions' such as any Thunderbird plugins or MS Exchange or LDAP and create a very simple protocol. Why are you constantly repeating yourself all over the mailing list? As mentioned, oh, a dozen times, those simple protocols already /exist/. Namely Card- and CalDAV. The Thunderbird plugins (or Android apps) just add those sync protocols to the existing calendar/address book; Apple iCal and Contacts.app, for example, can already be used natively. The Exchange Bloatware is only necessary because there is no decent way to integrate Outlook into a sane setup. Sogo uses LDAP (or Samba) because it aims at companies actually big enough to require them, there are more lightweight address book/calendar sync solutions building on Cal/CardDAV that can be used without a central domain (Owncloud and Davical, if I'm not mistaken). Again, with the same client infrastructure as the SOGo Server – SOGo Connector for Thunderbird, iCal/Contacts.app, Cal/CardDAVSync (Android), … Then people can create the plugins for the email clients and the web interface and the backend server database interface etc to their hearts content. They already do. No one has to try and pretend to be MS Exchange. Outlook is the sole exception. Sadly, it's a rather huge and (for many) important one. On 06/26/2013 07:35 AM, Wayland Sothcott wrote: Hello Raymond, I sympathise with you but also with the SOGo team. There is an obvious hole in what you can do with a Linux server. It's not necessarily that it does not act as an Exchange server but that the functionality of an email server beyond simply sending and receiving emails using Internet standards is missing. Microsoft protocols are usually very complicated, The SAMBA team have done fantastically well to make it work like Microsoft NT Server. The SOGo team are trying to do this for Exchange. What should happen is a set of open standards should be written. These would define how the client and the server talk to each other to handle address book data and calendar data. The server could then store it's data in whatever database suits it. This might be the companies own database or one which came with the service. The client could be an ipad or MS Outlook or Thunderbird. Whatever, no matter since this standard would be added to the client just like IMAP or POP is currently. Trying to reverse engineer a Microsoft product is a bit sad. It's all reflected glory. Open Office is like this. I could go on... Regards, Wayland. Privileged, Proprietary and/or Confidential Information may be contained in this electronic message. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not copy it, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents, but should kindly return to the sender immediately and delete your copy from your system. Gulf Interstate Engineering Company does not accept responsibility for changes made to this electronic message or its attachments. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, / Best Regards, Sven SCHWEDAS Systemadministrator TAO Beratungs- und Management GmbH | Lendplatz 45 | A - 8020 Graz Mail/XMPP: sven.schwe...@tao.at | +43 (0)680 301 7167 http://software.tao.at signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
Hi , I had the same problem with XP/OutLook2010/ZEG2.0.5. As stated in the Documentation http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Native%20Microsoft%20Outlook%20Configuration.pdf When you add the account , You have to Go in the settings : Click on More Settings and ignore the warning, if any, about Exchange being offline by clicking on Cancel ❏ From the Security tab, enable Always prompt for user name and password I don't know why without this option Outlook think that the server is offline, is there any bug request link to this behaviour ? -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
Hi, 2013/6/25 raymondpotgie...@telkomsa.net ** I have done all of that... And when you send your first test mail outlook disconnects. When you send email using the web interface from sogo1 to sogo2 , do you get any error ? -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
[SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
Here is my setup. (I am very interested in setup but can't get it to work) 1) Downloaded ZEG and running it on VMware ESXi 5.1 (64bit) server. 2) Windows 8 laptop 3) Outlook 2007 4) Opened windows (hosts) file with Administrator (notepad) and added ( 192.168.1.2 sogo.example.com) 5) Disabled firewall on laptop 6) Opened Internet Explorer on laptop and navigated to https://192.168.1.2:80 7) The Sogo login screen appears. 8) Open command prompt on windows system and ping sogo.example.com (I get a return from 192.168.1.2) 9) Open control panel on Windows system and got to mail, add new account, MS exchange account, enter exchange server details as 192.168.1.2 and enter user (sogo2) click on (check name) 10) Get error message You must be connected to MS exchange server What did I not do? I can't get outlook to connect to ZEG When I don't select Microsoft Exchange server option and only select the (auto discover) in outlook then it connects to the IMAP settings of the ZEG and no contacts or calendars are accessible. The documentation states that you need to select the Microsoft Exchange option. This does not work as per my comments above... What I missing? Any help will be appreciated. Seems like a good product on the read up, but I can get it to work, so I can test it. Accessing the user accounts in the browser is fine and I can send mail from sogo1 to sogo2 and sogo3 but outlook just will not connect as per the documents. Thank you Raymond Potgieter IT Manager Joburg Theatre mailto:raym...@joburgtheatre.com raym...@joburgtheatre.com Office (011) 877 6808 Fax (011) 877 6812 Fax to mail 086 531 1973 Mobile 072 175 7983 Web http://www.joburgtheatre.com www.joburgtheatre.com !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; head titleemail-banner/title meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 / /head body bgcolor=#FF leftmargin=0 topmargin=0 marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 /br a href=http://www.joburgtheatre.com;img src=http://www.showbusiness.co.za/emailbanner/emailbanner.png; width=660 height=215 / !-- ImageReady Slices (banner4web.jpg) --!-- End ImageReady Slices -- /body /html -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
I am sitting watching the demonstration video of sogo on youtube and giving a big sigh!! Wondering how the hell did they get it to work. Must I purchase a support pack, yes or no. mmm NO if the demo doesn't work, I can just imagine how the support is going to work. Yes I know the ZEG does works but I am yet to experience a working demo with outlook as shown in the video on youtube. Phew, now that I had the opportunity to blow off steam I would like to apologise to the Sogo team. If you do have a working product then great stuff, just a pity you have not found a way to share it with people like me. Man I am so irritable at the moment I can shout it from the roof tops no reflection on Sogo... just me wanting something and not getting it... I am just tossing out my toys, banging my head against the wall and shouting at ants... And all because I can't figure out where I am going wrong with the outlook setup. Oh, look there is another ant... Good bye. From: raymond [mailto:raym...@joburgtheatre.com] Sent: 24 June 2013 01:30 PM To: users@sogo.nu Subject: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please! Here is my setup. (I am very interested in setup but can't get it to work) 1) Downloaded ZEG and running it on VMware ESXi 5.1 (64bit) server. 2) Windows 8 laptop 3) Outlook 2007 4) Opened windows (hosts) file with Administrator (notepad) and added ( 192.168.1.2 sogo.example.com) 5) Disabled firewall on laptop 6) Opened Internet Explorer on laptop and navigated to https://192.168.1.2:80 7) The Sogo login screen appears. 8) Open command prompt on windows system and ping sogo.example.com (I get a return from 192.168.1.2) 9) Open control panel on Windows system and got to mail, add new account, MS exchange account, enter exchange server details as 192.168.1.2 and enter user (sogo2) click on (check name) 10) Get error message You must be connected to MS exchange server What did I not do? I can't get outlook to connect to ZEG When I don't select Microsoft Exchange server option and only select the (auto discover) in outlook then it connects to the IMAP settings of the ZEG and no contacts or calendars are accessible. The documentation states that you need to select the Microsoft Exchange option. This does not work as per my comments above... What I missing? Any help will be appreciated. Seems like a good product on the read up, but I can get it to work, so I can test it. Accessing the user accounts in the browser is fine and I can send mail from sogo1 to sogo2 and sogo3 but outlook just will not connect as per the documents. Thank you Raymond Potgieter IT Manager Joburg Theatre mailto:raym...@joburgtheatre.com raym...@joburgtheatre.com Office (011) 877 6808 Fax (011) 877 6812 Fax to mail 086 531 1973 Mobile 072 175 7983 Web http://www.joburgtheatre.com www.joburgtheatre.com http://www.joburgtheatre.com http://www.joburgtheatre.com http://www.joburgtheatre.com http://www.joburgtheatre.com http://www.joburgtheatre.com !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; head titleemail-banner/title meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 / /head body bgcolor=#FF leftmargin=0 topmargin=0 marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 /br a href=http://www.joburgtheatre.com;img src=http://www.showbusiness.co.za/emailbanner/emailbanner.png; width=660 height=215 / !-- ImageReady Slices (banner4web.jpg) --!-- End ImageReady Slices -- /body /html -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
Have you tried to connect Outlook on something other than Windows 8? On 06/24/2013 08:39 AM, raymond wrote: email-banner *From:*raymond [mailto:raym...@joburgtheatre.com] *Sent**:* 24 June 2013 01:30 PM *To:* users@sogo.nu *Subject:* [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please! Here is my setup. (I am very interested in setup but can't get it to work) 1)Downloaded ZEG and running it on VMware ESXi 5.1 (64bit) server. 2)Windows 8 laptop 3)Outlook 2007 4)Opened windows (hosts) file with Administrator (notepad) and added ( 192.168.1.2sogo.example.com) 5)Disabled firewall on laptop 6)Opened Internet Explorer on laptop and navigated to https://192.168.1.2:80 7)The Sogo login screen appears. 8)Open command prompt on windows system and ping sogo.example.com (I get a return from 192.168.1.2) 9)Open control panel on Windows system and got to mail, add new account, MS exchange account, enter exchange server details as 192.168.1.2 and enter user (sogo2) click on (check name) 10)Get error message You must be connected to MS exchange server What did I not do? I can't get outlook to connect to ZEG When I don't select Microsoft Exchange server option and only select the (auto discover) in outlook then it connects to the IMAP settings of the ZEG and no contacts or calendars are accessible. The documentation states that you need to select the Microsoft Exchange option. This does not work as per my comments above... What I missing? Any help will be appreciated. Seems like a good product on the read up, but I can get it to work, so I can test it. Accessing the user accounts in the browser is fine and I can send mail from sogo1 to sogo2 and sogo3 but outlook just will not connect as per the documents. Thank you Raymond Potgieter IT Manager Joburg Theatre raym...@joburgtheatre.com mailto:raym...@joburgtheatre.com Office (011) 877 6808 Fax (011) 877 6812 Fax to mail 086 531 1973 Mobile 072 175 7983 Web www.joburgtheatre.com http://www.joburgtheatre.com -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
Really Ludovic? Terminating his subscription? That's seems a bit harsh. I empathized with Raymond and thought his post was rather humorous! On 6/24/2013 9:44 AM, Ludovic Marcotte wrote: On 2013-06-24 8:39 AM, raymond wrote: Good bye. You at least got that one right. Subscription terminated. Good bye. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 ::http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem with outlook and ZEG - Need help please!
On 2013-06-24 5:12 PM, m-s...@grojguys.com wrote: Really Ludovic? Terminating his subscription? That's seems a bit harsh. I empathized with Raymond and thought his post was rather humorous! His last message certainly wasn't humorous but rather an insult to everybody working on the software and offering support. If that was humour, I guess he should rather get humour consulting before SOGo's. -- Ludovic Marcotte lmarco...@inverse.ca :: +1.514.755.3630 :: http://inverse.ca Inverse inc. :: Leaders behind SOGo (http://sogo.nu) and PacketFence (http://packetfence.org) -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
