Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
On 18/02/2013 16:11, administrator wrote: Do you know if the ZEG appliance can be cloned to a real server easily? (the Ubuntu one already set up with outlook mapi) I was thinking just dumping the virtual machine's hard disk image to a ghost image etc... then just ghosting that over to a real hard drive, sticking it into the server and seeing if it boots. That way I just have to mess with configs. -K See my post ZEG burned to ISO. -Original Message- From: Steve Ankeny [mailto:stev...@cinergymetro.net] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:49 AM To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04 Did you install 'sope?' And, have you considered the ZEG appliance? It would give you a good test before doing it yourself. On 02/15/2013 09:05 PM, administrator wrote: Hey guys, I'm trying to install sogo for the first time. I want to rip apart my exchange 2010 server(s). They have proven very unstable, no matter what you do. This morning for no reason mail stopped flowing all together, no errors in the logs, only a reboot fixed it. I'm tired of getting calls in the morning. Time to format and try something new. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- Mobile: 07925 431381 Office: 01787 388165 -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
On 18/02/2013 17:01, Steve Ankeny wrote: Take a look at the thread: ZEG burned to ISO DVD using remastersys https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists/arc/users/2013-02/msg00229.html Somewhere in that process you should be able to come up with a process that works for you. I do not know if it can be 'ghosted,' but I do not doubt that it could. It appears to me that converting the ZEG to an ISO is an ideal way to use it as a bootable DVD or as an alternative to installing it natively instead of keeping with the virtual machine concept. It would have been better for me if the ZEG had been as an ISO to begin with because VMWare could still be used if you wanted. The remastersys seems to make a usable ISO but the web interface on port 2 throws an unhandled error when I log in with sogo1/sogo on the Live boot. On 02/18/2013 11:11 AM, administrator wrote: Do you know if the ZEG appliance can be cloned to a real server easily? (the Ubuntu one already set up with outlook mapi) I was thinking just dumping the virtual machine's hard disk image to a ghost image etc... then just ghosting that over to a real hard drive, sticking it into the server and seeing if it boots. That way I just have to mess with configs. -K -- Mobile: 07925 431381 Office: 01787 388165 -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
On 19/02/2013 00:29, administrator wrote: I just created a sogo live iso, I'm not seeing it boot to an installer though... just drops me to the prompt after booting (wich is good at least). It's using the linux-generic kernel wich is also really good so it will boot on anything. You were not paying attention :-) The menu screen shows for a few moments before it boots into the live CD option. -- Mobile: 07925 431381 Office: 01787 388165 -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
Do you know if the ZEG appliance can be cloned to a real server easily? (the Ubuntu one already set up with outlook mapi) I was thinking just dumping the virtual machine's hard disk image to a ghost image etc... then just ghosting that over to a real hard drive, sticking it into the server and seeing if it boots. That way I just have to mess with configs. -K -Original Message- From: Steve Ankeny [mailto:stev...@cinergymetro.net] Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:49 AM To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04 Did you install 'sope?' And, have you considered the ZEG appliance? It would give you a good test before doing it yourself. On 02/15/2013 09:05 PM, administrator wrote: Hey guys, I'm trying to install sogo for the first time. I want to rip apart my exchange 2010 server(s). They have proven very unstable, no matter what you do. This morning for no reason mail stopped flowing all together, no errors in the logs, only a reboot fixed it. I'm tired of getting calls in the morning. Time to format and try something new. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
Take a look at the thread: ZEG burned to ISO DVD using remastersys https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists/arc/users/2013-02/msg00229.html Somewhere in that process you should be able to come up with a process that works for you. I do not know if it can be 'ghosted,' but I do not doubt that it could. It appears to me that converting the ZEG to an ISO is an ideal way to use it as a bootable DVD or as an alternative to installing it natively instead of keeping with the virtual machine concept. On 02/18/2013 11:11 AM, administrator wrote: Do you know if the ZEG appliance can be cloned to a real server easily? (the Ubuntu one already set up with outlook mapi) I was thinking just dumping the virtual machine's hard disk image to a ghost image etc... then just ghosting that over to a real hard drive, sticking it into the server and seeing if it boots. That way I just have to mess with configs. -K -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
Don't overlook the power of a virtual machine! We take regular snapshots of our configuration, so as to be able to return if needed. It does not backup the mail by itself but it allows us to backup/restore within minutes if something should happen (power outage, etc.) It helped us when we did the upgrade from Ubuntu 11.04 to 12.04 It's a powerful way to backup/restore a system. We're using VMware ESXi 5 as the base OS for our HP Proliant (with two instances of Windows Server 2008 and the ZEG), but VirtualBox works as well. On 02/18/2013 11:11 AM, administrator wrote: Do you know if the ZEG appliance can be cloned to a real server easily? (the Ubuntu one already set up with outlook mapi) I was thinking just dumping the virtual machine's hard disk image to a ghost image etc... then just ghosting that over to a real hard drive, sticking it into the server and seeing if it boots. That way I just have to mess with configs. -K -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
Since EXI/ESXI? Server didn't work with my own hardware, I built a massive monster set of servers with a core i7 24+ GB ram each, WIN2K8 Hosts, running Vmware server 2.0. However nightly windows backups of about 10 VM's really takes a strain on vmware server's performance, so for brief periods machines become undersponsive during that time. I was messing around with virtualbox 4.2 in headless mode so I can measure how much better the performance is, plus I can assign an unlimited number of cpu cores and it's free. ESX server is just linux with a hypervisor on top anyways, nothing really native about it like they say it is, so I'm assuming virtualbox will have similar performance on Ubuntu 12.04. The other benefit will be the linux block level caching that windows doesn't have. The unusual requirement that is a bit too much for a VM is the fact that we have jumbo shared inboxes (Shipping/Support etc...) where each one has about 10 people using the same box simultaneously, and they do searches all the time when the DB's are 200GB+ sometimes. Mail is just one of those things that I want to completely isolate from my active directly and windows infrastructure now. Since we only have about 10 actual email accounts anyways. This way if the domain controller isn't up before the mail server, there's no messed up authentication, etc... This is a problem I often have when it comes to windows, having too many things relying on each other makes for headaches after power outages etc. Windows updates being the worst. So the idea is one independent box, it's own Open LDAP, it's own DNS (copying my internal zone from my windows dns) and then deleting my existing mail servers. At some point, if I find Ubuntu is a stable active directory replacement, get rid of each windows server one by one (if possible). For vm's at least the hosts being Ubuntu also. -K -Original Message- From: Steve Ankeny [mailto:stev...@cinergymetro.net] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:10 PM To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04 Don't overlook the power of a virtual machine! We take regular snapshots of our configuration, so as to be able to return if needed. It does not backup the mail by itself but it allows us to backup/restore within minutes if something should happen (power outage, etc.) It helped us when we did the upgrade from Ubuntu 11.04 to 12.04 It's a powerful way to backup/restore a system. We're using VMware ESXi 5 as the base OS for our HP Proliant (with two instances of Windows Server 2008 and the ZEG), but VirtualBox works as well. On 02/18/2013 11:11 AM, administrator wrote: Do you know if the ZEG appliance can be cloned to a real server easily? (the Ubuntu one already set up with outlook mapi) I was thinking just dumping the virtual machine's hard disk image to a ghost image etc... then just ghosting that over to a real hard drive, sticking it into the server and seeing if it boots. That way I just have to mess with configs. -K -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
10VMs are a lot of nightly backup! We use VMware ESXi 5 on an HP Proliant (24GB RAM, AMD Quad-Core, 1.2T) with the following: Windows Server 2008R2 RDC (every user connects with RDP) Windows Server 2008R2 SQL (our accounting apps use MS-SQL) SOGo ZEG (starting as Ubuntu 11.04 now 12.04 and latest 'sogo) It sounds like you need to simplify your architecture (with only 10 accounts) (we have 8 accounts) Converting the ZEG to an ISO would allow you to install it with more disk space (to facilitate the shared accounts that require a large amount of disk space) Maybe that's where the savings should come! A large disk space requirement in a VM still requires a lot of resources for backup. It appears the size of the shared mailboxes precludes doing backups of snapshots. We are not using Active Directory or Samba (we want to use Samba4 domain functions) Right now, authentication is strictly by LDAP on the 'sogo' box, but each Windows machine requires accounts. Domain functions will simply allow us to synchronize account parameters, and we're not there yet. It may not matter whether you use VMware or VirtualBox, but if it can be installed natively via the ISO, that might work better for disk space needs. Maybe you can point the shared mailboxes to a separate storage server? It might make backup easier to do incremental backups of the mailboxes only. Or, just do a mirror on the separate storage server? We define 'dns' on our gateway and ip_phone devices (6-7 phones, 15-20 ip_addresses plus wlan) We have a separate storage server which we use for backup (Novaback on the Windows side) We've taken 'dns' and other network services away from the Windows boxes, but we define the printers via the Remote Desktop Connection (terminal services) on the Windows RDC Server. Everybody uses the same applications (with some lockdown on certain apps or files/folders) Our ZEG does 'ldap' authentication and mail services. We want to use it as a Samba domain later, but we will have to install Samba4 (as it was not originally in the ZEG) and configure user accounts. We're using a mix of Windows 7 and (two) Linux Mint clients. We have one PIII-386 Linux Thinstation that works better than the Windows clients! It's amazing. It sounds like the bottleneck in your environment are the large shared mail accounts. Move them to a separate storage server (point the mailboxes via 'webmin') and you should free up resources. Just a thought On 02/18/2013 03:20 PM, administrator wrote: Since EXI/ESXI? Server didn't work with my own hardware, I built a massive monster set of servers with a core i7 24+ GB ram each, WIN2K8 Hosts, running Vmware server 2.0. However nightly windows backups of about 10 VM's really takes a strain on vmware server's performance, so for brief periods machines become undersponsive during that time. I was messing around with virtualbox 4.2 in headless mode so I can measure how much better the performance is, plus I can assign an unlimited number of cpu cores and it's free. ESX server is just linux with a hypervisor on top anyways, nothing really native about it like they say it is, so I'm assuming virtualbox will have similar performance on Ubuntu 12.04. The other benefit will be the linux block level caching that windows doesn't have. The unusual requirement that is a bit too much for a VM is the fact that we have jumbo shared inboxes (Shipping/Support etc...) where each one has about 10 people using the same box simultaneously, and they do searches all the time when the DB's are 200GB+ sometimes. Mail is just one of those things that I want to completely isolate from my active directly and windows infrastructure now. Since we only have about 10 actual email accounts anyways. This way if the domain controller isn't up before the mail server, there's no messed up authentication, etc... This is a problem I often have when it comes to windows, having too many things relying on each other makes for headaches after power outages etc. Windows updates being the worst. So the idea is one independent box, it's own Open LDAP, it's own DNS (copying my internal zone from my windows dns) and then deleting my existing mail servers. At some point, if I find Ubuntu is a stable active directory replacement, get rid of each windows server one by one (if possible). For vm's at least the hosts being Ubuntu also. -K -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
RE: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
Thanks, Currently I do have them on a different storage server :) The first 2010 exchage is a vm (client access), the second 2010 exchange is solely for storage. Currently I don't have a storage bottleneck (raid 10 does miracles with cheap Samsung spinpoint drives and an areca controller). That's good that sogo has built in users, that's all I cared for anyways as far as using the active directory. I'd rather the sogo box be up if everything else windows suddenly dies. The advantage will be taking the storage server and throwing sogo on it by itself and removing the other exchange vm. I just created a sogo live iso, I'm not seeing it boot to an installer though... just drops me to the prompt after booting (wich is good at least). It's using the linux-generic kernel wich is also really good so it will boot on anything. I'm considering doing a tar backup inside the sogo vm, then restoring the backup to my fresh 10.04 box and overwrite the whole thing over the network. Does anyone else have any comments on outlook performance on huge 100GB+ mailboxes? And if there's any kind of limit as to the maximum size of a mailbox or database? -Original Message- From: Steve Ankeny [mailto:stev...@cinergymetro.net] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:38 PM To: users@sogo.nu Subject: Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04 10VMs are a lot of nightly backup! We use VMware ESXi 5 on an HP Proliant (24GB RAM, AMD Quad-Core, 1.2T) with the following: Windows Server 2008R2 RDC (every user connects with RDP) Windows Server 2008R2 SQL (our accounting apps use MS-SQL) SOGo ZEG (starting as Ubuntu 11.04 now 12.04 and latest 'sogo) It sounds like you need to simplify your architecture (with only 10 accounts) (we have 8 accounts) Converting the ZEG to an ISO would allow you to install it with more disk space (to facilitate the shared accounts that require a large amount of disk space) Maybe that's where the savings should come! A large disk space requirement in a VM still requires a lot of resources for backup. It appears the size of the shared mailboxes precludes doing backups of snapshots. We are not using Active Directory or Samba (we want to use Samba4 domain functions) Right now, authentication is strictly by LDAP on the 'sogo' box, but each Windows machine requires accounts. Domain functions will simply allow us to synchronize account parameters, and we're not there yet. It may not matter whether you use VMware or VirtualBox, but if it can be installed natively via the ISO, that might work better for disk space needs. Maybe you can point the shared mailboxes to a separate storage server? It might make backup easier to do incremental backups of the mailboxes only. Or, just do a mirror on the separate storage server? We define 'dns' on our gateway and ip_phone devices (6-7 phones, 15-20 ip_addresses plus wlan) We have a separate storage server which we use for backup (Novaback on the Windows side) We've taken 'dns' and other network services away from the Windows boxes, but we define the printers via the Remote Desktop Connection (terminal services) on the Windows RDC Server. Everybody uses the same applications (with some lockdown on certain apps or files/folders) Our ZEG does 'ldap' authentication and mail services. We want to use it as a Samba domain later, but we will have to install Samba4 (as it was not originally in the ZEG) and configure user accounts. We're using a mix of Windows 7 and (two) Linux Mint clients. We have one PIII-386 Linux Thinstation that works better than the Windows clients! It's amazing. It sounds like the bottleneck in your environment are the large shared mail accounts. Move them to a separate storage server (point the mailboxes via 'webmin') and you should free up resources. Just a thought On 02/18/2013 03:20 PM, administrator wrote: Since EXI/ESXI? Server didn't work with my own hardware, I built a massive monster set of servers with a core i7 24+ GB ram each, WIN2K8 Hosts, running Vmware server 2.0. However nightly windows backups of about 10 VM's really takes a strain on vmware server's performance, so for brief periods machines become undersponsive during that time. I was messing around with virtualbox 4.2 in headless mode so I can measure how much better the performance is, plus I can assign an unlimited number of cpu cores and it's free. ESX server is just linux with a hypervisor on top anyways, nothing really native about it like they say it is, so I'm assuming virtualbox will have similar performance on Ubuntu 12.04. The other benefit will be the linux block level caching that windows doesn't have. The unusual requirement that is a bit too much for a VM is the fact that we have jumbo shared inboxes (Shipping/Support etc...) where each one has about 10 people using the same box simultaneously, and they do searches all the time when the DB's are 200GB+ sometimes
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
Did you install 'sope?' And, have you considered the ZEG appliance? It would give you a good test before doing it yourself. On 02/15/2013 09:05 PM, administrator wrote: Hey guys, I’m trying to install sogo for the first time. I want to rip apart my exchange 2010 server(s). They have proven very unstable, no matter what you do. This morning for no reason mail stopped flowing all together, no errors in the logs, only a reboot fixed it. I’m tired of getting calls in the morning. Time to format and try something new. -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
*Unfortunately, when I went to log into:* http://ubuntu1:2 I get: An unhandled error occurred. Don't use port 2 for the login, you have to setup a webserver in front of it André -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
Hi Try following this http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-setup-ubuntu-business-box-server-ubb-part-2 Start from the below section and continue till end of SOGo installation. - *Add *Apache* modules*: sudo a2enmod proxy sudo a2enmod proxy_http sudo a2enmod headers sudo a2enmod rewrite On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 4:40 PM, André Schild an...@schild.ws wrote: *Unfortunately, when I went to log into:* http://ubuntu1:2 I get: An unhandled error occurred. Don't use port 2 for the login, you have to setup a webserver in front of it André -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- Wesley Sangster Cell: +2783 412 2248 Email: big.mac.wes...@gmail.com -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
Great link, Wesley! Thx. Good study for anyone wanting to know how it works and how to configure it. On 02/16/2013 10:15 AM, Wesley Sangster wrote: Hi Try following this http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-setup-ubuntu-business-box-server-ubb-part-2 -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
Re: [SOGo] Problem First time installing sogo on Ubuntu 12.04
Pleasure, thanks to the author too Wesley Sangster Email: big.mac.wes...@gmail.com Mobile: +2783 412 2248 On 16 Feb 2013 5:23 PM, Steve Ankeny stev...@cinergymetro.net wrote: Great link, Wesley! Thx. Good study for anyone wanting to know how it works and how to configure it. On 02/16/2013 10:15 AM, Wesley Sangster wrote: Hi Try following this http://www.thefanclub.co.za/**how-to/how-setup-ubuntu- **business-box-server-ubb-part-2http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-setup-ubuntu-business-box-server-ubb-part-2 -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists -- users@sogo.nu https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
