72_sare_redirect_post3.0.0.cf not catching google redirects

2006-06-30 Thread Ramprasad
I have the redirect cf on (I can see in sa --lint ), but this url goes through clean. ( see below ) Do I have to do anything besides enabling the CF in RDJ. To get it working BTW I am using SA 3.1.0 on linux Thanks Ram .. Mathew told me to shoot you an email about the store I

Re: Training Bayes properly

2006-06-30 Thread Anthony Peacock
Hi, Loren Wilton wrote: You are into the land of opinions here, so you will get different answers. SNIP Once you have the basic stuff I personally prefer to leave auto-learning turned off and only had Bayes hams and spams that might be misclassified, or ones where the bayes score isn't

Re: trusted_networks confusion

2006-06-30 Thread Ben Wylie
No. Internal only if it's not directly accepting mail from client IPs that you WANT to accept mail from. MXes and everything (internal relays) after them are ALWAYS in both trusted and internal networks. This is what tells SA that mail was sent directly from questionable IPs to your

Re: Training Bayes properly

2006-06-30 Thread Stefan Jakobs
Am Freitag, 30. Juni 2006 02:09 schrieb Rick Macdougall: Hi, Hello, And my hit rates are For HAM RANKRULE NAMECOUNT %OFRULES %OFMAIL %OFSPAM %OFHAM 1BAYES_00 2281924.15 54.611.65 96.70 And SPAM RANKRULE NAMECOUNT %OFRULES %OFMAIL %OFSPAM %OFHAM

RE: Training Bayes properly

2006-06-30 Thread Randal, Phil
You can find a Bayes starter DB over at http://www.fsl.com/support/ I've used it here after our Bayes database got trashed without having any false positive problems. We use Bayes autolearn here, and after some good manual training I've never seen it cause problems. The key is to have a

Re: internal/trusted again, MSA tested for SPF ?

2006-06-30 Thread Radoslaw Zielinski
Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] [30-06-2006 00:45]: Mark Martinec wrote: [...] dbg: dns: checking RBL sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org., set sblxbl dbg: dns: IPs found: full-external: MSA, REMOTE untrusted: REMOTE originating: dbg: dns: only inspecting the following IPs: REMOTE Good,

Mail from btinternet outlook express users tagged as FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK

2006-06-30 Thread brandon pearson \(BITS\)
SpamAssassin version 3.1.1 We are getting valid mail from outlook express users on btinternet tagged as FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK. It looks to me like spamassassin does not identify the message-id as an outlook express message-id and therefore marks it as forged. Is anyone else seeing this? Thanks,

Bayes_seen is 320MB

2006-06-30 Thread Paul Boven
Hi everyone, The message-ID's of mails that have been (auto-)learned by Bayes are stored indefinitely in bayes_seen. Which, over the years that we've used SpamAssassin now, has grown to a 320MB file. We're using site-wide Bayes databases. What would be the best way to trim down this database,

Re: internal/trusted again, MSA tested for SPF ?

2006-06-30 Thread Mark Martinec
Is it normal that our own MSA ip address is being submitted for RBL tests? Daryl C. W. O'Shea writes: It' normal, in the sense that that's what the code says to do. I'm sure that this isn't optimal, but it works better than the way we did it before (lastuntrusted FP'd all over). Seems

Re: Mail from btinternet outlook express users tagged as FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK

2006-06-30 Thread Kevin Golding
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.ac.uk, brandon pearson (BITS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SpamAssassin version 3.1.1 We are getting valid mail from outlook express users on btinternet tagged as FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK. It looks to me like spamassassin does not identify the message-id as an outlook express

RE: Mail from btinternet outlook express users tagged as FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK

2006-06-30 Thread brandon pearson \(BITS\)
SpamAssassin version 3.1.1 We are getting valid mail from outlook express users on btinternet tagged as FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK. It looks to me like spamassassin does not identify the message-id as an outlook express message-id and therefore marks it as forged. Is anyone else seeing this? Nope.

list of misspelled domain names?

2006-06-30 Thread Ken A
Is there an RBL or a list of commonly misspelled domain names that ARE registered? I want to block outgoing mail to commonly misspelled domains that are owned by typosquatters/redirect/spam/datamining people. It's one thing to end up at http://www.earchlink.net by mistake, but to send

Re: trusted networks

2006-06-30 Thread Ross Boylan
On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 19:52 -0400, Matt Kettler wrote: Ross Boylan wrote: On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 00:30 -0400, Matt Kettler wrote: No, internal must never receive mail directly from a dialup node. SA applies DUL RBLs and other such tests against hosts delivering mail to internal

Re: trusted_networks confusion

2006-06-30 Thread Ross Boylan
Well, I've obviously missed something. In this message I will focus exclusively on the question of whether a host that receives messages from dial-up hosts should go on internal_networks. Assume for simplicity I have a mail domain b.c. The MX records point to a.b.c. I'm running SA on a.b.c for

Re: internal/trusted again, MSA tested for SPF ?

2006-06-30 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Radoslaw Zielinski wrote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] [30-06-2006 00:45]: Mark Martinec wrote: Hmm, I don't think that our own MSA is supposed to be tested for SPF. It is normal? Yeah, and correct. Your MSA is the host responsible for sending the mail to your server running SA.

White List and Yellow List DNS Servers - Proposal

2006-06-30 Thread Marc Perkel
I want to propose and idea that I've been testing with some success. But there are plenty of people who are a lot sharper than I am that can implement it better. Here's what I'm thinking. We are all familiar with DNS blacklists to block spam. But what about lists of other servers? What about

Re: trusted_networks confusion

2006-06-30 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
I'm going to skip to the end pretty quick... where I tell you exactly the config YOU need (except I don't know your IPs, so you'll have to fill that in). Ross Boylan wrote: Well, I've obviously missed something. In this message I will focus exclusively on the question of whether a host that

Re: Problem with false-positives for SASL users

2006-06-30 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.06.06.1401 +0200]: Regarding the issue I raised in February (to which I have not yet found an answer), you may be interested in checking out the last paragraph of http://blog.madduck.net/geek/2006.06.06-delayed-mail,

Re: Problem with false-positives for SASL users

2006-06-30 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.06.06.2021 +0200]: If you provide a full set of received headers that are being passed to SA, someone can help you out with the correct settings. I am having difficulties recreating the problem. Sometimes SA will

Re: White List and Yellow List DNS Servers - Proposal

2006-06-30 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 6/30/06, Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who likes this idea? Evidently habeas.com does, as that's now their business model. Also Bonded Sender (I think they changed the name recently, but I forget to what). And I believe the ISIPP maintains several such lists. Do a Google on

Re: internal/trusted again, MSA tested for SPF ?

2006-06-30 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 6/30/06, Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I see now that you want to unconditionally trust the MSA *and* all hosts after it. Which is reasonable if the MSA is just an MSA. For whatever reason you don't want to rely on auth tokens, etc. Seems reasonable to me. That would

Re: internal/trusted again, MSA tested for SPF ?

2006-06-30 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Bart Schaefer wrote: On 6/30/06, Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I see now that you want to unconditionally trust the MSA *and* all hosts after it. Which is reasonable if the MSA is just an MSA. For whatever reason you don't want to rely on auth tokens, etc. Seems reasonable

spamd not properly resetting whitelist?

2006-06-30 Thread Bart Schaefer
We recently installed a new CentOS4 server, which comes with SA 3.0.6 prepackaged, to serve as our local mail store (runs sendmail, clamassassin, spamd, and an imap server). The perl version is 5.8.5, and it's an x86_64 platform. Since migrating our users to this machine we frequently have spam

Re: Problem with false-positives for SASL users

2006-06-30 Thread Jamie L. Penman-Smithson
On 30 Jun 2006, at 23:25, Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: martin f krafft wrote: snip Sure you do... at least auth headers that you know you added. Your problem is that Postfix doesn't include RFC 3848 style (or any) auth tokens. This TLS line is only added when someone authenticates

Re: trusted_networks confusion

2006-06-30 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
jdow wrote: From: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] jdow wrote: From: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] jdow wrote: From: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Earthlink mail servers are ABSODAMNLUTELY not part of my internal network. But if I do not list them with trusted

Re: Problem with false-positives for SASL users

2006-06-30 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Jamie L. Penman-Smithson wrote: It's better to look at the 'Authenticated sender': Received: from bar.example.org (bar.example.org [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender:

Re: Training Bayes properly

2006-06-30 Thread jdow
From: Stefan Jakobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Freitag, 30. Juni 2006 02:09 schrieb Rick Macdougall: Hi, Hello, And my hit rates are For HAM RANKRULE NAMECOUNT %OFRULES %OFMAIL %OFSPAM %OFHAM 1BAYES_00 2281924.15 54.611.65 96.70 And SPAM RANKRULE NAME

Re: Problem with false-positives for SASL users

2006-06-30 Thread Mark Martinec
What do you have to do to get that Authenticated sender: line? It's not unpatched Postfix, is it? I know the Wietse was against such info being provided. Apparently postfix 2.3 will support auth tokens. Any link document that? I'd like to add it to the wiki.

Re: Problem with false-positives for SASL users

2006-06-30 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Mark Martinec wrote: What do you have to do to get that Authenticated sender: line? It's not unpatched Postfix, is it? I know the Wietse was against such info being provided. Apparently postfix 2.3 will support auth tokens. Any link document that? I'd like to add it to the wiki.

Re: Problem with false-positives for SASL users

2006-06-30 Thread Mark Martinec
It is only a partial solution. It covers only one method of authorizing roaming users for submitting mail to their organization's MSA. It would be much better to have a more general solution, trusting MSA to do its job (see parallel thread internal/trusted again, MSA tested for SPF?)

Re: Problem with false-positives for SASL users

2006-06-30 Thread Jamie L. Penman-Smithson
On 1 Jul 2006, at 00:32, Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson wrote: It's better to look at the 'Authenticated sender': Received: from bar.example.org (bar.example.org [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a

Re: trusted_networks confusion

2006-06-30 Thread jdow
From: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] internal network stuff This inspired me to make a brute force test. Something has changed in the machine's configuration that allows me to remove all references to internal or trusted networks and still run without ALL_TRUSTED coming up and bugging me.

Re: White List and Yellow List DNS Servers - Proposal

2006-06-30 Thread Marc Perkel
Bart Schaefer wrote: On 6/30/06, Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who likes this idea? Evidently habeas.com does, as that's now their business model. Also Bonded Sender (I think they changed the name recently, but I forget to what). And I believe the ISIPP maintains several such

Re: White List and Yellow List DNS Servers - Proposal

2006-06-30 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 6/30/06, Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - but what I'm thinking of is something that is automatic and reputation based rather that paying someone to certify you. In other words your server get whitelisted because you never send spam. Paid or otherwise, how do you get on the list

Re: internal/trusted again, MSA tested for SPF ?

2006-06-30 Thread Mark Martinec
Daryl, You've told SA that your users aren't a part of your internal network though. If you configure SA to treat your users as part of your internal network then it won't do net tests on them. I forgot what was the original reason that it became a must to treat MSA as non-internal. Was it

Re: trusted_networks confusion--authentication

2006-06-30 Thread Ross Boylan
Now for the 3 tests as they apply to my non-hypothetical case. On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 01:45 -0400, Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: [..] Mail Submission Agent... accepts mail from your own clients' MUAs (also known as UAs). You can not add your MSA to your internal_networks unless you can do one

Re: trusted_networks confusion--simple case (clarification)

2006-06-30 Thread Ross Boylan
To clear up an ambiguity in my original: On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 19:19 -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: Does a machine that is not part of my domain qualify as a client? Suppose my MTA is contacted by a dial-up IP for somewhere.com (not my domain), and that I do want to accept such mail. The human

Re: trusted networks

2006-06-30 Thread Matt Kettler
Ross Boylan wrote: On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 19:52 -0400, Matt Kettler wrote: Ross Boylan wrote: On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 00:30 -0400, Matt Kettler wrote: No, internal must never receive mail directly from a dialup node. SA applies DUL RBLs and other such tests against hosts