Re: SA works great!

2014-08-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.08.2014 um 02:15 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: Yes, it does work great when you have the bayes filter turned on and you take the time to feed it. And that means you have to feed the learner both ham and spam and setup reliable sources for those. Unfortunately if Bayes is not turned on,

bayes scroing too low

2014-08-31 Thread Reindl Harald
i guess it needs to adjust them depending on block score was one of the typical enhance your penis mails score BAYES_95 0 0 3.23.0 score BAYES_99 0 0 3.83.5 X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.4, tag-level=4.5, block-level=8.5 X-Spam-Report: * 0.5 CUST_DNSBL_8 RBL: ix.dnsbl.manitu.net

Re: bayes scroing too low

2014-08-31 Thread Axb
On 08/31/2014 11:41 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: i guess it needs to adjust them depending on block score was one of the typical enhance your penis mails score BAYES_95 0 0 3.23.0 score BAYES_99 0 0 3.83.5 you missed: + 0.2 BAYES_999 X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.4, tag-level=4.5,

Re: bayes scroing too low

2014-08-31 Thread Axb
On 08/31/2014 11:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Are you using RAZOR PYZOR? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1127650 perl-Razor-Agent - Only used for the not enabled by default Razor plugin so i guess no get the source from http://razor.sourceforge.net/ I don't recommend installing

Re: bayes scroing too low

2014-08-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.08.2014 um 12:20 schrieb Axb: On 08/31/2014 11:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Are you using RAZOR PYZOR? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1127650 perl-Razor-Agent - Only used for the not enabled by default Razor plugin so i guess no get the source from

Re: SA works great!

2014-08-31 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 8/31/2014 2:21 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 31.08.2014 um 02:15 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: Yes, it does work great when you have the bayes filter turned on and you take the time to feed it. And that means you have to feed the learner both ham and spam and setup reliable sources for those.

Re: SA works great!

2014-08-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.08.2014 um 16:08 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: On 8/31/2014 2:21 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 31.08.2014 um 02:15 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: Yes, it does work great when you have the bayes filter turned on and you take the time to feed it. And that means you have to feed the learner both

Re: Give a penalty to messages with non latin UTF-8 characters?

2014-08-31 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 06:44:39 -0600, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: LuKreme I would welcome rules that would reliably penalize messages LuKreme that use chinese, japanese, korean, thai, or any other LuKreme characters in the UTF-8 address space that I don’t read. I LuKreme would put them in

Re: bayes scroing too low

2014-08-31 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:20:41 +0200, Axb axb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Axb Bayes scores are *not* set to be a sole indicator of spam/ham. Axb They're supposed to be yet another indicator. FWIW, I use both Razor and Pyzor, and there are times when they seem to be just asleep. Or maybe a particular

Re: sa-learn and find

2014-08-31 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 19:59:53 -0600, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: RW This may run into shell argument limits if you have to learn a lot RW of spam. Consider piping the output of find to xargs, or using -exec RW ...{} + in find. LuKreme Yes, I tried to do that, but as I said in my first post,

Re: SA works great!

2014-08-31 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:55:50 +0200, Axb axb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Axb During the last +-4 years, scores have been set by the masscheck GA Axb system. IF more ppl would contribute with masschecks and rules, Axb detection could be better, but the lack of volunteers doing this Axb shows that

Re: bayes scroing too low

2014-08-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.08.2014 um 23:06 schrieb Ian Zimmerman: On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:20:41 +0200, Axb axb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Axb Bayes scores are *not* set to be a sole indicator of spam/ham. Axb They're supposed to be yet another indicator. FWIW, I use both Razor and Pyzor, and there are times

Re: SA works great!

2014-08-31 Thread Axb
On 08/31/2014 10:54 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:55:50 +0200, Axb axb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Axb During the last +-4 years, scores have been set by the masscheck GA Axb system. IF more ppl would contribute with masschecks and rules, Axb detection could be better, but the

Re: sa-learn and find

2014-08-31 Thread LuKreme
On 31 Aug 2014, at 14:46 , Ian Zimmerman i...@buug.org wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 19:59:53 -0600, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: RW This may run into shell argument limits if you have to learn a lot RW of spam. Consider piping the output of find to xargs, or using -exec RW ...{} + in

Re: Give a penalty to messages with non latin UTF-8 characters?

2014-08-31 Thread LuKreme
On 31 Aug 2014, at 14:38 , Ian Zimmerman i...@buug.org wrote: Doesn't ok_languages and ok_locales do the job? It does for me. Not with UTF-8 encoding, that setting only seems to apply to old-stye character declarations. -- showing snuffy is when Sesame Street jumped the shark

Re: SA works great!

2014-08-31 Thread Bob Proulx
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: i think it's impossible to improve that much out-of-the-box because that would make it to sensitive while the bayes has the ham side of your communication too for decisions Google does it. It's not impossible. But not out of the box. Google

Re: SA works great!

2014-08-31 Thread LuKreme
On 31 Aug 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedt t...@ipinc.net wrote: Google does it. It's not impossible. [snip] My experience is that the commercial providers like Gmail are now so aggressive that false positives are VERY common on their systems, this leads to people nowadays quite commonly

Re: sa-learn and find

2014-08-31 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:37:50 -0600, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: Ian xargs (the GNU one at least) has an option to not run the inferior Ian when there are no args to give it. LuKreme The interior is the find: _Inferior_ which is GNU speak for subprocess. I should have tried to be less

Re: Outlook, we do love to hate you....

2014-08-31 Thread Jason Haar
On 01/09/14 04:33, Dave Warren wrote: As I understand that, that's specifically for messages that originated within Exchange itself and had no SMTP transmission or RFC5321 or 5322 components in the first place. This dates back to Exchange's history, at which point it wasn't primarily a SMTP

random low contrast text with bayes

2014-08-31 Thread Eric Shubert
I've seen an uptick of spam lately with random low contrast (hidden) text. This appears to be lowering bayes probabilities. I'd like to strip low contrast text from messages before they're learned by sa-learn in order to combat this. 1) does anyone have some guidance for building such a

Re: random low contrast text with bayes

2014-08-31 Thread John Hardin
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014, Eric Shubert wrote: I've seen an uptick of spam lately with random low contrast (hidden) text. This appears to be lowering bayes probabilities. Learn them as spam. That will tend to eliminate that effect. -- John Hardin KA7OHZ

A rule for Phil

2014-08-31 Thread Luciano Rinetti
I need a rule that, when a message is sento to p...@example.com and the Subject contains CV or Curriculum, scores the message with -9 and a rule that, when a message is sent to to p...@example.com and the Subject doesn't contains CV or Curriculum, scores the message with 7 Regards

Re: random low contrast text with bayes

2014-08-31 Thread Eric Shubert
On 08/31/2014 10:26 PM, John Hardin wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2014, Eric Shubert wrote: I've seen an uptick of spam lately with random low contrast (hidden) text. This appears to be lowering bayes probabilities. Learn them as spam. That will tend to eliminate that effect. Been doing that