Re: sane max value for message size in 2023?

2023-09-12 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 11.09.23 17:15, AJ Weber wrote: I realize this is very much an "it depends", but recently I'm getting a lot of messages bypassing spamc because they're a few KB over the default, 500KB limit (spamassassin 3.4.x). Can I bump this to maybe 750KB, and if so, will spamc read that from one of

Re: DNS Help

2023-09-11 Thread Ricky Boone
Many RBLs have policies in place against open resolvers, such as Google DNS, OpenDNS, etc. You're on the right track, you need a local resolver that is configured to query directly to the authoritative DNS server. Unbound, or any local resolver, would need to be configured to use root hints to

Re: sane max value for message size in 2023?

2023-09-11 Thread Greg Troxel
AJ Weber writes: > I realize this is very much an "it depends", but recently I'm getting > a lot of messages bypassing spamc because they're a few KB over the > default, 500KB limit (spamassassin 3.4.x). That is way way too small now. I would go to at least 8 MB.

sane max value for message size in 2023?

2023-09-11 Thread AJ Weber
I realize this is very much an "it depends", but recently I'm getting a lot of messages bypassing spamc because they're a few KB over the default, 500KB limit (spamassassin 3.4.x). Can I bump this to maybe 750KB, and if so, will spamc read that from one of my .pre files, or do I have to

Re: DNS Help

2023-09-11 Thread Tom Williams via users
On 9/11/23 10:35 AM, D Benham wrote: Ok, I need some guidance.  I am getting a lot of this:  0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED  ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked.     See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block  

DNS Help

2023-09-11 Thread D Benham
Ok, I need some guidance.  I am getting a lot of this:  0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED  ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked.     See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information.  0.0

kam fp on mozilla maillist

2023-09-11 Thread Benny Pedersen
X-Spam-Status Yes, score=14.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, KAM_SEX_EXPLICIT=16, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.1,

Re: Scoring Explanation Please

2023-08-31 Thread Denny Jones via users
Thank you for the explanation. Makes sense now. On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 02:55:50 PM CDT, Bill Cole wrote: On 2023-08-30 at 15:14:15 UTC-0400 (Wed, 30 Aug 2023 19:14:15 + (UTC)) Denny Jones via users is rumored to have said: > Hello, > I have looked high and low and

Re: (Re-)emergence of UTF based obfuscation in phishing/spam

2023-08-30 Thread Ricky Boone
Typo, I meant to say I was on SA 3.4.6. On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 3:22 PM Ricky Boone wrote: > Something I noticed on a set of emails that were reported to me. > > I have custom rules to look out for certain names in From:name. The > messages should have been caught by them, however upon

Re: Scoring Explanation Please

2023-08-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 2023-08-30 at 15:14:15 UTC-0400 (Wed, 30 Aug 2023 19:14:15 + (UTC)) Denny Jones via users is rumored to have said: Hello, I have looked high and low and can't find an explanation for multi-level scoring: score SCC_CANSPAM_2    3.799    0.001    3.799    0.00 What does this mean? In

Re: Scoring Explanation Please

2023-08-30 Thread David B Funk
Denny, If you read the fine manual for the spamassassin configuration file, in section for 'score SYMBOLIC_TEST_NAME n.nn [ n.nn n.nn n.nn ]' You'll see: If only one valid score is listed, then that score is always used for a test. If four valid scores are listed, then the score that

(Re-)emergence of UTF based obfuscation in phishing/spam

2023-08-30 Thread Ricky Boone
Something I noticed on a set of emails that were reported to me. I have custom rules to look out for certain names in From:name. The messages should have been caught by them, however upon inspection the name was UTF-8 encoded, and included a character that doesn't seem to render, but interferes

Scoring Explanation Please

2023-08-30 Thread Denny Jones via users
Hello, I have looked high and low and can't find an explanation for multi-level scoring: score SCC_CANSPAM_2    3.799    0.001    3.799    0.00 What does this mean? In my simplistic way of doing things I would write this as: score SCC_CANSPAM_2 3.799 Thanks for helping clear the mud in my

Registration open for Community Over Code North America

2023-08-28 Thread Rich Bowen
Hello! Registration is still open for the upcoming Community Over Code NA event in Halifax, NS! We invite you to register for the event https://communityovercode.org/registration/ Apache Committers, note that you have a special discounted rate for the conference at US$250. To take advantage of

Re: new rule for kam :)

2023-08-24 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 23.08.23 15:24, Benny Pedersen wrote: # test for empty src="" or empty href="" rawbody __HREF_EMPTY /href=\"\"/ rawbody __SRC_EMPTY /src=\"\"/ meta LOCAL_BADLY_HTML (__HREF_EMPTY || __SRC_EMPTY) describe LOCAL_BADLY_HTML Meta: __HREF_EMPTY

Re: new rule for kam :)

2023-08-24 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 06:14:45PM -0700, John Hardin wrote: > On Wed, 23 Aug 2023, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 03:24:22PM +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: > > > # test for empty src="" or empty href="" > > > rawbody __HREF_EMPTY /href=\"\"/ > > > rawbody __SRC_EMPTY /src=\"\"/

Re: new rule for kam :)

2023-08-24 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 23.08.23 15:24, Benny Pedersen wrote: # test for empty src="" or empty href="" rawbody __HREF_EMPTY /href=\"\"/ rawbody __SRC_EMPTY /src=\"\"/ meta LOCAL_BADLY_HTML (__HREF_EMPTY || __SRC_EMPTY) describe LOCAL_BADLY_HTML Meta: __HREF_EMPTY || __SRC_EMPTY score LOCAL_BADLY_HTML 3 3 3 3 too

Re: new rule for kam :)

2023-08-23 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023, Benny Pedersen wrote: # test for empty src="" or empty href="" rawbody __HREF_EMPTY /href=\"\"/ rawbody __SRC_EMPTY /src=\"\"/ meta LOCAL_BADLY_HTML (__HREF_EMPTY || __SRC_EMPTY) describe LOCAL_BADLY_HTML Meta: __HREF_EMPTY || __SRC_EMPTY score LOCAL_BADLY_HTML 3 3 3 3

Re: new rule for kam :)

2023-08-23 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 03:24:22PM +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: # test for empty src="" or empty href="" rawbody __HREF_EMPTY /href=\"\"/ rawbody __SRC_EMPTY /src=\"\"/ I checked this against about 80k of my recent personal emails and it matched

Re: new rule for kam :)

2023-08-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 03:24:22PM +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: > # test for empty src="" or empty href="" > rawbody __HREF_EMPTY /href=\"\"/ > rawbody __SRC_EMPTY /src=\"\"/ I checked this against about 80k of my recent personal emails and it matched quite a lot of previously not found

Re: new rule for kam :)

2023-08-23 Thread Benny Pedersen
Denny Jones via users skrev den 2023-08-23 19:41: Just a question about the scoring... +1 What does the 4 "3's" mean at the end of the score? if just one score is giving, its defaults to all score sets, but if 4 3 is defined, its basicly same on all score sets :) i just lost what the

Re: new rule for kam :)

2023-08-23 Thread Denny Jones via users
Just  a question about the scoring... What does the 4 "3's" mean at the end of the score? I would have written it like this:score LOCAL_BADLY_HTML 3.0 On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 08:24:39 AM CDT, Benny Pedersen wrote: # test for empty src="" or empty href="" rawbody

new rule for kam :)

2023-08-23 Thread Benny Pedersen
# test for empty src="" or empty href="" rawbody __HREF_EMPTY /href=\"\"/ rawbody __SRC_EMPTY /src=\"\"/ meta LOCAL_BADLY_HTML (__HREF_EMPTY || __SRC_EMPTY) describe LOCAL_BADLY_HTML Meta: __HREF_EMPTY || __SRC_EMPTY score LOCAL_BADLY_HTML 3 3 3 3 too much spams in hotmail

Re: To/CC to RCPT compare

2023-08-22 Thread Bill Cole
On 2023-08-22 at 16:18:43 UTC-0400 (Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:18:43 -0700) D Benham is rumored to have said: Hello, I saw this question out on the 'Net and thought I'd post it here.  I can see a few false positives besides the OP's BCC that could arise, but it still seems like it's a logical

To/CC to RCPT compare

2023-08-22 Thread D Benham
Hello, I saw this question out on the 'Net and thought I'd post it here.  I can see a few false positives besides the OP's BCC that could arise, but it still seems like it's a logical check that should have been done before. Is there a way to compare the RCPT TO address to the addresses in

Re: uninitialized value $result in string eq at AuthRes.pm line 302

2023-08-20 Thread Alex
Hi, > > Aug 19 23:02:27 xavier amavis[3615]: (03615-10) _WARN: Use of > uninitialized value $result in string eq at > /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Mail/SpamAssassin/Plugin/AuthRes.pm line 302. > >292 sub check_authres_result { >293my ($self, $pms, $method, $wanted_result) = @_; >

Re: uninitialized value $result in string eq at AuthRes.pm line 302

2023-08-19 Thread Bill Cole
On 2023-08-19 at 23:07:48 UTC-0400 (Sat, 19 Aug 2023 23:07:48 -0400) Alex is rumored to have said: Hi, Just upgraded to fedora38, using the spamassassin included with it and have the following warning: Aug 19 23:02:27 xavier amavis[3615]: (03615-10) _WARN: Use of uninitialized value

uninitialized value $result in string eq at AuthRes.pm line 302

2023-08-19 Thread Alex
Hi, Just upgraded to fedora38, using the spamassassin included with it and have the following warning: Aug 19 23:02:27 xavier amavis[3615]: (03615-10) _WARN: Use of uninitialized value $result in string eq at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Mail/SpamAssassin/Plugin/AuthRes.pm line 302. 292 sub

Re: spam_pid not found

2023-08-16 Thread Jared Hall
On 8/16/2023 8:15 AM, Hansa via users wrote: Hi, Trying to upgrade Mail::SpamAssassin via cpan but I get "spam_pid not found" errors (see debug.log). # ps ax | grep `cat /var/run/spamd.pid   73673 ?    Ss 0:04 /usr/bin/perl -T -w /usr/sbin/spamd -d --pidfile=/run/spamd.pid

Re: spam_pid not found

2023-08-16 Thread Bill Cole
On 2023-08-16 at 09:40:01 UTC-0400 (Wed, 16 Aug 2023 15:40:01 +0200) Hansa via users is rumored to have said: What do you exactly mean by "removing the option in the startup unit"? I'm not running spamd via a socket. PLEASE IGNORE THE TROLL. Harald Reindl has been banned from this mailing

Re: spam_pid not found

2023-08-16 Thread Hansa via users
What do you exactly mean by "removing the option in the startup unit"? I'm not running spamd via a socket. I commented out "PIDFILE="/var/run/spamd.pid" in default/spamassassin. Test still results in timeout. t/sa_check_spamd.t spam_pid not found: Sleeping 5 - Retry # 19

Re: spam_pid not found

2023-08-16 Thread Hansa via users
Unfortunately this is not the solution. /run/spamd.pid exists and contains the same pid as /var/run/spamd.pid. It is created when starting the spamd service. On 16-08-2023 14:34, bOnK wrote: # ps ax | grep `cat */var/run/spamd.pid *   73673 ?    Ss 0:04 /usr/bin/perl -T -w

spam_pid not found

2023-08-16 Thread Hansa via users
Hi, Trying to upgrade Mail::SpamAssassin via cpan but I get "spam_pid not found" errors (see debug.log). # ps ax | grep `cat /var/run/spamd.pid   73673 ?    Ss 0:04 /usr/bin/perl -T -w /usr/sbin/spamd -d --pidfile=/run/spamd.pid --create-prefs --max-children 5 --helper-home-dir

RE: allow general access after 1 auth

2023-08-12 Thread Marc
I am blind, thought I wrote to the apache list, thanks > > This has nothing to do with SpamAssassin. Maybe you'll find better > responses somewhere focused on web server stuff... > > > On 2023-08-12 at 11:13:29 UTC-0400 (Sat, 12 Aug 2023 15:13:29 +) > Marc > is rumored to have said: >

Re: allow general access after 1 auth

2023-08-12 Thread Bill Cole
This has nothing to do with SpamAssassin. Maybe you'll find better responses somewhere focused on web server stuff... On 2023-08-12 at 11:13:29 UTC-0400 (Sat, 12 Aug 2023 15:13:29 +) Marc is rumored to have said: I was wondering if it is possible to allow general access to an url after

allow general access after 1 auth

2023-08-12 Thread Marc
I was wondering if it is possible to allow general access to an url after some account authenticated for this url. Without the necessity to adapt the web application for this Say we have closed https://www.example.com/webapp with something like Require valid-user Order deny,allow Deny from

Re: unsubscore down?

2023-08-09 Thread Bill Cole
On 2023-08-09 at 16:05:49 UTC-0400 (Wed, 9 Aug 2023 16:05:49 -0400) Alex is rumored to have said: Hi all, anyone else having problems with unsubscore? They have a long history of not working reliably. Long ago SA had a RCVD_IN_UBL rule, but it was disabled many years ago because it was

unsubscore down?

2023-08-09 Thread Alex
Hi all, anyone else having problems with unsubscore? Aug 9 15:57:41 polaris postfix-126/dnsblog[3671494]: warning: dnsblog_query: lookup error for DNS query 154.51.76.80.ubl.unsubscore.com: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name= 154.51.76.80.ubl.unsubscore.com type=A: Host

RE: kam channel excess spamscore gives false possitive on valid mail from microsoft store

2023-08-09 Thread Marc
> >> Yes, score=17.228 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, > >> DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, > >> KAM_BODY_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_FROM_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_HUGEIMGSRC=0.2, > >> KAM_SHORT=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.1, MPART_ALT_DIFF=0.724, > >>

Re: kam channel excess spamscore gives false possitive on valid mail from microsoft store

2023-08-09 Thread Jared Hall
On 8/9/2023 6:59 AM, Marc wrote: Yes, score=17.228 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, KAM_BODY_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_FROM_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_HUGEIMGSRC=0.2, KAM_SHORT=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.1, MPART_ALT_DIFF=0.724,

Re: kam channel excess spamscore gives false possitive on valid mail from microsoft store

2023-08-09 Thread Jared Hall
On 8/9/2023 6:59 AM, Marc wrote: Yes, score=17.228 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, KAM_BODY_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_FROM_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_HUGEIMGSRC=0.2, KAM_SHORT=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.1, MPART_ALT_DIFF=0.724,

RE: kam channel excess spamscore gives false possitive on valid mail from microsoft store

2023-08-09 Thread Marc
> > Yes, score=17.228 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, > DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, > KAM_BODY_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_FROM_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_HUGEIMGSRC=0.2, > KAM_SHORT=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.1, MPART_ALT_DIFF=0.724, >

kam channel excess spamscore gives false possitive on valid mail from microsoft store

2023-08-09 Thread Benny Pedersen
Yes, score=17.228 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, KAM_BODY_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_FROM_URIBL_PCCC=9, KAM_HUGEIMGSRC=0.2, KAM_SHORT=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.1, MPART_ALT_DIFF=0.724, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001,

Re: Expanded Spam Report

2023-08-08 Thread David Bürgin
Hello, perhaps try setting report_safe 0 Then, according to the documentation at ‘man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf’, a header ‘X-Spam-Report’ will be added that might just be what you need.

Expanded Spam Report

2023-08-08 Thread D Benham
Hi, It looks like I am using SA 4.0.0 on Ubuntu 23.x.  I have looked for an answer in Google-pedia, and it either does not exist or I am not able to figure out the correct search term. Is there a way to get a "spam report" or "expanded spam headers" from spamassassin included in the

Re: My apologies

2023-08-07 Thread Pedro David Marco via users
It is like a  man that goes to a bookstore and asks: "Do you have books on how to make friends, you fucking clerk?" :- Pedro. (Sorry for the ugly word) On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 08:53:09 PM GMT+2, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Reindl is the definition of something I learned decades

Re: OT - Re: DNFTEC - was My apologies

2023-08-06 Thread Grant Taylor via users
On 8/6/23 12:04 AM, David B Funk wrote: For the most part they can be pretty much interchangeable but slight shading: EC -> alignment: neutral/chaotic T -> alignment: evil IE an EC can be unpredictable and occasionally positive but at a cost T is pretty predictability undesirable Ah ha!

Re: OT - Re: DNFTEC - was My apologies

2023-08-05 Thread David B Funk
On Sat, 5 Aug 2023, Grant Taylor via users wrote: On 8/5/23 6:42 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: Yes given that he is Sorry, I as asking for differences between Energy Creatures and Trolls. I agree with your advice about the particular EC / T. I'm still trying to understand the conceptual

Re: OT - Re: DNFTEC - was My apologies

2023-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor via users
On 8/5/23 6:42 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: Yes given that he is Sorry, I as asking for differences between Energy Creatures and Trolls. I agree with your advice about the particular EC / T. I'm still trying to understand the conceptual difference between an EC and a T or if they are synonyms

Re: OT - Re: DNFTEC - was My apologies

2023-08-05 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Sat, 2023-08-05 at 14:06 -0500, Grant Taylor via users wrote: > On 8/5/23 1:51 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > > REDACTED is the definition of something I learned decades ago as an > > energy > > creature. > > Is there anything to differentiate an Energy Creature from a Troll? > Yes given that

Re: My apologies

2023-08-05 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Aug 5, 2023, at 3:09 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > > >> On Aug 5, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: >> >> Reindl is the definition of something I learned decades ago as an energy >> creature. >> >> DNFTEC is an acronym to live by. Suggested reading: >>

Re: My apologies

2023-08-05 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Aug 5, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > > Reindl is the definition of something I learned decades ago as an energy > creature. > > DNFTEC is an acronym to live by. Suggested reading: > http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=6284 You might enjoy this clip from "What We

i will just report spamassassin trunc breaks amavisd-new

2023-08-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
going back to 3.4.6 as now until 4.0.1 is released, in amavisd logs hits is always - with imho means spamtest is skipped, can you verify sa trunk does work still with amavisd ?

OT - Re: DNFTEC - was My apologies

2023-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor via users
On 8/5/23 1:51 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: REDACTED is the definition of something I learned decades ago as an energy creature. Is there anything to differentiate an Energy Creature from a Troll? The tricky thing about this particular ${ENTITY} is that they are seemingly on topic and seem to

Re: My apologies

2023-08-05 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Reindl is the definition of something I learned decades ago as an energy creature. DNFTEC is an acronym to live by. Suggested reading: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=6284 KAM On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 13:24 Grant Taylor via users < users@spamassassin.apache.org> wrote: > On 8/5/23 8:04 

PSA: ${HE} is now using a new email address.

2023-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor via users
On 8/5/23 12:23 PM, Grant Taylor via users wrote: The catch is that he keeps tripping up people that have not had the ... experience of dealing with him and thus have not ... quieted him yet. For those of you that have started filtering someone -- who I'm not going to name -- ${HE} has

Re: My apologies

2023-08-05 Thread Grant Taylor via users
On 8/5/23 8:04 AM, Ralph Seichter wrote: Well, that is what local mail killfiles are for. The world is sadly full of morons, but one does not necessarily have to accept mail from them. Agreed. The catch is that he keeps tripping up people that have not had the ... experience of dealing with

Re: My apologies

2023-08-05 Thread Ralph Seichter
* Grant Taylor via users: > He /is/ blocked from from sending messages to / through the mailing > list. This is also what happened to him on the Postfix mailing list, and rightly so. It has been many years. > Here's the thing. He is sending his reply /around/ the list -- > apparently -- so

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-08-05 Thread Sean Greenslade
On Fri, Aug 04, 2023 at 08:38:24AM -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: > It was a typo, sorry. I have a cron job that uses --spam against the spam > folder, and --ham against the ham folder. I just copied and pasted poorly. > This is the actual script for my account: > > [thomas.cameron@mail-east ~]$

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-08-04 Thread Thomas Cameron via users
On 8/4/23 02:15, Sean Greenslade wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 04:17:22PM -0500, Thomas Cameron via users wrote: On 8/2/23 15:52, David B Funk wrote: I have the users move spam to an imap folder, and then run (via the user's cron job): sa-learn --mbox --spam /home/[username]/mail/spam

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-08-04 Thread Sean Greenslade
On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 04:17:22PM -0500, Thomas Cameron via users wrote: > On 8/2/23 15:52, David B Funk wrote: > > > > I have the users move spam to an imap folder, and then run (via the user's > cron job): > > sa-learn --mbox --spam /home/[username]/mail/spam > > If something is flagged as

Re: My apologies

2023-08-03 Thread Grant Taylor via users
Having myself been through what Thomas is appologizing for, I have some comments on what Reindl H. is doing. On 8/3/23 3:06 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: I ... think he should be blocked. He /is/ blocked from from sending messages to / through the mailing list. I've been online for over 40

Re: My apologies

2023-08-03 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: On 2023-08-02 15:49, Loren Wilton wrote: I've blocked him on my mail server, as well. I don't know that I'd block him, but you do need to take anything he says witha few horselicks of salt. I (who have almost nothing to contribute to

Re: My apologies

2023-08-03 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
On 2023-08-02 15:49, Loren Wilton wrote: I've blocked him on my mail server, as well. I don't know that I'd block him, but you do need to take anything he says witha few horselicks of salt. I (who have almost nothing to contribute to Spamassassin itself, other than being a user) think he

Re: SA and UTF-8 Filename Attachments

2023-08-03 Thread Bill Cole
On 2023-08-03 at 12:21:11 UTC-0400 (Thu, 3 Aug 2023 12:21:11 -0400) Jared Hall is rumored to have said: SA v3.4.6: Consider an Email with a UTF-8 attachment name: ®Payroll_stubs.Htm defined by the MIME header: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*0*=utf-8''%C2%AEPayroll_stubs.Htm

SA and UTF-8 Filename Attachments

2023-08-03 Thread Jared Hall
SA v3.4.6: Consider an Email with a UTF-8 attachment name: ®Payroll_stubs.Htm defined by the MIME header: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename*0*=utf-8''%C2%AEPayroll_stubs.Htm A PERL unicode-formatted rule fails: mimeheader __JR_EXPLOIT_ATT_UTF        Content-Disposition =~

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-08-02 Thread Thomas Cameron via users
On 8/2/23 15:52, David B Funk wrote: Regardless, if a message has never been seen before and has little correlation to earlier messages its Bayes should hit someplace in the 40% to 60% range. The fact that it hit 00% indicates a strong correlation to lots of ham (or something is screwy

Re: My apologies

2023-08-02 Thread Benny Pedersen
Marc skrev den 2023-08-02 22:23: I like Reindl! Is anyone training spamassassin on his emails??? ;P why ?, if its good for bayes, why should it be bad at all for humans then ?

Re: My apologies

2023-08-02 Thread Benny Pedersen
Thomas Cameron via users skrev den 2023-08-02 21:39: I'm sorry for posting that. i just maked a sieve autoreader, so i don't need to read it self, good or bad, i don't know :) no need to sorry loosing mail imho

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-08-02 Thread David B Funk
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, Thomas Cameron via users wrote: Thank you very much. The message that slipped through today was NOT one of the ones being discussed in this thread, it was a different format and totally different message. I only included it to demonstrate that my server was not being

RE: My apologies

2023-08-02 Thread Marc
> > > I've blocked him on my mail server, as well. > > Reindl now and then says something useful, but as you have noticed his > people skills are somewhere in the negative 200 score level. I don't > know > that I'd block him, but you do need to take anything he says witha few > horselicks of

Re: My apologies

2023-08-02 Thread Loren Wilton
I've blocked him on my mail server, as well. Reindl now and then says something useful, but as you have noticed his people skills are somewhere in the negative 200 score level. I don't know that I'd block him, but you do need to take anything he says witha few horselicks of salt.

Re: My apologies

2023-08-02 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 02 August 2023 at 21:39:31, Thomas Cameron via users wrote: > I was notified privately that Reindl Harald is blocked on this list. I > replied to him and accidentally polluted the list with more of his > toxicity. I apologize, and I've blocked him on my mail server, as well. We've

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-08-02 Thread Thomas Cameron via users
On 8/2/23 14:32, Dave Funk wrote: On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, Thomas Cameron via users wrote: Wow! What a charming response! You must be a LOT of fun at parties, and have lots of friends! Please don't feed the troll. There's a reason that Reindl is blocked from this list. I was not aware, and

My apologies

2023-08-02 Thread Thomas Cameron via users
I was notified privately that Reindl Harald is blocked on this list. I replied to him and accidentally polluted the list with more of his toxicity. I apologize, and I've blocked him on my mail server, as well. I'm sorry for posting that. -- Thomas

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-08-02 Thread Dave Funk
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023, Thomas Cameron via users wrote: Wow! What a charming response! You must be a LOT of fun at parties, and have lots of friends! Please don't feed the troll. There's a reason that Reindl is blocked from this list. No, I did not get that response. I don't have any of

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-08-02 Thread Thomas Cameron via users
On 8/2/23 13:28, Reindl Harald wrote: then i bet you have the same "RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS" as the OP which means you are not capable to operate a mailserver https://www.spamhaus.org/returnc/pub/ throwen against our spamfilter it would be blocked without any question - above 8.0 points

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-08-02 Thread Thomas Cameron via users
On 7/28/23 00:23, Bill Cole wrote: 1. There are milters/content-filters that decode Base64 message parts (amavisd-new, mimedefang, etc) for processing by SA. 2.  There are still sufficiently unique items: First-Name-Only, Mixed-Case word in the Subject (NLP modeling), and a Base-64 encoded

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-07-28 Thread Jared Hall
On 7/28/2023 1:49 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: On 7/27/2023 12:08 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: Hey, all. I've recently started getting spam that's really hard to deal with, and I'm open to suggestions as to how to approach it. Superficially, Sweet!  The assistance of those who actually felt like

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-07-27 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
On 7/27/2023 12:08 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: Hey, all. I've recently started getting spam that's really hard to deal with, and I'm open to suggestions as to how to approach it. Superficially, I'm not sure why the OP's rule didn't match the target message, but it is NOT because of the Base64

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-07-27 Thread Bill Cole
On 2023-07-28 at 00:26:51 UTC-0400 (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 23:26:51 -0500 (CDT)) David B Funk is rumored to have said: On Fri, 28 Jul 2023, Jared Hall wrote: On 7/27/2023 12:08 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: Hey, all. I've recently started getting spam that's really hard to deal with, and I'm open to

Re: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-07-27 Thread David B Funk
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023, Jared Hall wrote: On 7/27/2023 12:08 PM, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: Hey, all. I've recently started getting spam that's really hard to deal with, and I'm open to suggestions as to how to approach it. Superficially, [snip..] The damn body's been encoded!  And there's so little

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Grant Taylor via users
On 7/27/23 6:25 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: I use spamass-milter on my system and amavisd-milter on other systems especially to be able to reject spam at SMTP time. Definitely a good thing. :-) You just should not use it for "outgoing" mail from your clients, so they don't complain

RE: Really hard-to-filter spam

2023-07-27 Thread Marc
> > Hey, all. I've recently started getting spam that's really hard to deal > with, and I'm open to suggestions as to how to approach it. > Superficially, they all look much like this: > Post the complete message source including headers.

RE: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Marc
> > >> I assume that you mean so that your outbound SMTP server is actually > >> authorized in some capacity and fall under "all". Is that correct? > > ... and does NOT dall under "all". > > On 27.07.23 08:11, Marc wrote: > >indeed afaik -all is all authorized > > pardon me? -all means

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
I assume that you mean so that your outbound SMTP server is actually authorized in some capacity and fall under "all". Is that correct? ... and does NOT dall under "all". On 27.07.23 08:11, Marc wrote: indeed afaik -all is all authorized pardon me? -all means everyone except previously

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 7/26/23 2:34 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote: milters should not be spam scanners, spamassassin is better On 26.07.23 13:32, Grant Taylor via users wrote: {spamass-milter,milter-spamc} combined with SpamAssassin cause me to question the veracity of that statement. +1 Milter implies doing the

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Benny Pedersen
Marc skrev den 2023-07-27 09:48: The oldest mail server log I can find is from mx-in-08 sadly even that one is only from 2005 but confirms we were using it then, quite a bit longer than 2014 :P Why retire? To go fishing or so? I think GDPR even prohibits keeping very old log files, if there is

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Noel Butler
On 27/07/2023 18:11, Marc wrote: I am always using -all. I honestly can't think of a good argument to use anything else. I agree. It's my belief that ~all is only useful for a "production entry test phase", once your happy, move to -all Like DMARC's p=none it's a "getting it going" method

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Noel Butler
On 27/07/2023 17:48, Marc wrote: The oldest mail server log I can find is from mx-in-08 sadly even that one is only from 2005 but confirms we were using it then, quite a bit longer than 2014 :P Why retire? To go fishing or so? I think GDPR even prohibits keeping very old log files, if there

RE: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Marc
> > I assume that you mean so that your outbound SMTP server is actually > authorized in some capacity and fall under "all". Is that correct? indeed afaik -all is all authorized > > When you configure your spf your result is either pass, softfail or > fail > > I think we can agree that a

RE: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Marc
> > The oldest mail server log I can find is from mx-in-08 sadly even that > one is only from 2005 but confirms we were using it then, quite a bit > longer than 2014 :P > Why retire? To go fishing or so? I think GDPR even prohibits keeping very old log files, if there is no specific reason for

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-27 Thread Noel Butler
On 27/07/2023 13:43, Bill Cole wrote: No, SPF pre dates that, 1998 or there abouts if my ageing memory serves me It's failing... :) SPF originated with an idea of Gordon Fecyk, first written up AFTER he left MAPS in 2001. First ID calling it SPF would have been 2003 or so. A brief

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-26 Thread Bill Cole
On 2023-07-26 at 23:01:11 UTC-0400 (Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:01:11 +1000) Noel Butler is rumored to have said: On 27/07/2023 10:20, Matija Nalis wrote: [...] Also, 1990s? Weren't first SPF-alike ideas drafted first time in early-mid 2000s, and SPF itself not published as *proposed* IETF standard

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-26 Thread Noel Butler
On 27/07/2023 10:20, Matija Nalis wrote: mailing lists have been smart enough for over 20 years to rewrite sender and not appear as a basic forwarder - which are you are correct, however there are forwarding abilities to rewrite sender which avoids this, its been 15 years or more since I've

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-26 Thread Grant Taylor via users
On 7/26/23 7:20 PM, Matija Nalis wrote: I'd appreciate more civil expressions of disagreement +1 I personally know several people who still use procmail today, sooo... +1 That at least I can attest is not always the case (I still see systems with custom sendmail.cf which nobody dares to

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-26 Thread Matija Nalis
On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 07:11:59AM +1000, Noel Butler wrote: > On 27/07/2023 05:09, Matija Nalis wrote: > > > Any SPF, no matter how correctly configured, will lead to false > > positives in some cases (e.g. encoutering mailing list > > B.S. I'd appreciate more civil expressions of

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-26 Thread Grant Taylor via users
On 7/26/23 2:09 PM, Matija Nalis wrote: Only way to make SPF never incorrectly fail/softwail is to use "+all", but that kind of kills its point :-) I question the veracity of that. Is SPF failing to perform it's intended function if an unauthorized server is blocked from sending email with

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-26 Thread Grant Taylor via users
On 7/26/23 1:44 PM, Marc wrote: so your ip does not generate a softfail or fail I assume that you mean so that your outbound SMTP server is actually authorized in some capacity and fall under "all". Is that correct? When you configure your spf your result is either pass, softfail or fail

Re: Ensuring SPF/DKIM for @gmail.com

2023-07-26 Thread Noel Butler
On 27/07/2023 05:09, Matija Nalis wrote: Any SPF, no matter how correctly configured, will lead to false positives in some cases (e.g. encoutering mailing list B.S. mailing lists have been smart enough for over 20 years to rewrite sender and not appear as a basic forwarder - which are you

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