Re: Bayes + DCC / Bayes as a false-positive killer

2013-05-29 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 28.05.13 16:43, Andrew Talbot wrote: That said, I'm wondering if it's redundant to run DCC and Bayes at the same time? From what I understand, DCC is a subscription-based service, so it would be nice to be able to cut that cost out! No, it is not. It only requires you using other than

Re: Bayes + DCC / Bayes as a false-positive killer

2013-05-29 Thread RW
On Tue, 28 May 2013 16:43:20 -0400 Andrew Talbot wrote: Hey all - I've got two questions: 1- ... That said, I'm wondering if it's redundant to run DCC and Bayes at the same time? From what I understand, DCC is a subscription-based service, so it would be nice to be able to cut that

Re: Bayes + DCC / Bayes as a false-positive killer

2013-05-29 Thread Andrew Talbot
Hi, Dave - We don't have anything else learning because we deal in such bulk. We're an email service provider hosting hundreds of thousands of accounts. Re: Your last line about I don't understand what their concerns are ... Welcome to my world. Right now I am manually writing rules - custom

Re: Bayes + DCC / Bayes as a false-positive killer

2013-05-29 Thread Andrew Talbot
Hi there, RW- Thank you for your response. A lot of interesting points in there. The issue with something like Bogofilter or its ilk is that it: 1- Requires manual intervention from users (we don't have access to the content of their messages) 2- Apparently doesn't scale well to huge client bases

Re: Bayes + DCC / Bayes as a false-positive killer

2013-05-29 Thread Andrew Talbot
Hi, Matus - I wanted to ask you about your last point about the bayes9x fps and the 0x fns, mostly because it seems like that contradicts the sentence that follows (that you don't consider it to be 100%). If there's no FNs or FPs, it's about as good as it gets, no? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:13

Re: Bayes + DCC / Bayes as a false-positive killer

2013-05-29 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 29.05.13 15:19, Andrew Talbot wrote: I wanted to ask you about your last point about the bayes9x fps and the 0x fns, mostly because it seems like that contradicts the sentence that follows (that you don't consider it to be 100%). If there's no FNs or FPs, it's about as good as it gets, no?

Re: Bayes + DCC / Bayes as a false-positive killer

2013-05-29 Thread RW
On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:16:58 -0400 Andrew Talbot wrote: Hi there, RW- Thank you for your response. A lot of interesting points in there. The issue with something like Bogofilter or its ilk is that it: 1- Requires manual intervention from users (we don't have access to the content of their

Bayes + DCC / Bayes as a false-positive killer

2013-05-28 Thread Andrew Talbot
Hey all - I've got two questions: 1- We're running Bayes and DCC on our server, and we've just been running Bayes locally to see how well it works. It's been about three weeks now so I finally really started poring over the results. One thing I noticed that I thought was a particularly

Re: Bayes + DCC / Bayes as a false-positive killer

2013-05-28 Thread Dave Warren
On 2013-05-28 13:43, Andrew Talbot wrote: As some of you may have known from talking with me over the past few weeks, I've been having a difficult time 'selling' my bosses on the idea of Bayes; it simply doesn't seem to do anything new to them. But looking at the data today, I came up with an