Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I think there is a lot of people in this list who runs a small business like
mine, and who may benefit from using the URIWhois plugin with no negative
consequences. The others, well, they have influence and resources to spend
in a centralized
-09-26 00:58 TLD.pm
Where is my fault ?
Ove Starckjohann
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Giampaolo Tomassoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 15:15
An: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Betreff: R: URIWhois-0.02
Oh, my! I forgot the link
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Giampaolo Tomassoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 15:15
An: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Betreff: R: URIWhois-0.02
Oh, my! I forgot the link to URIWhois-0.02.
Here it goes:
http://www.tomassoni.biz
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It appears that you selectively missed the part that applies:
You agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and
that, under no circumstances will you use this data to: (a)
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Kris Deugau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 18.14
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
It appears that you selectively missed the part that applies:
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Bret Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 17.16
Perhaps rather than arguing about whether we'd all get blocked by
running
this, it would be more productive to lobby a registrar to provide the
data
in rsynch-able form to
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
Well, I have to manually turn my MX server on and off, sometimes. So, is it
SA an automated process? And then, if SA issues a whois request, is it
automated?
This is plain silliness, which leads me to believe that you very well
know that you're doing automated
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 19.22
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
Well, I have to manually turn my MX server on and off, sometimes. So,
is it
SA an automated process? And then, if SA issues a whois
Quoting Bret Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Perhaps rather than arguing about whether we'd all get blocked by running
this, it would be more productive to lobby a registrar to provide the data
in rsynch-able form to URIBL or SURBL where DNS infrastructure could be used
to make the data available
Dears,
I got some feedback from people failing to successfully run the URIWhois
plugin.
It seems to me these are installation issues, so I just prepared version
0.02 of this plugin, which basically borrows an INSTALL.txt file in which I
attempt to explain how to correctly install the plugin.
Oh, my! I forgot the link to URIWhois-0.02.
Here it goes:
http://www.tomassoni.biz/download/URIWhois-0.02.tar.bz2
Sorry for bothering you again.
Giampaolo
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Giampaolo Tomassoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: mercoledì 26 settembre 2007 15.11
Quoting Giampaolo Tomassoni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
the issue covered by the
URIWhois plugin would be much more efficiently solved by a centralized
solution, in which someone gathers registration data from registars (maybe
even not through whois, but through direct db access) and then publics this
DOB, for example, is run by ar.com, who are a registrar. Since they are a
domain registrar, they have full, direct access to the whois database.
Jeff C.
Well there ya go Jeff...
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
- rh
Robert - elists wrote:
DOB, for example, is run by ar.com, who are a registrar. Since they are a
domain registrar, they have full, direct access to the whois database.
Jeff C.
Well there ya go Jeff...
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
Thats the easy answer,
Thats the easy answer, but do you know what it costs to become a
registrar?
Just for com/net from verisign you have $6500 up front, and $4k
recurring. To get your icann credentials, you have $2500 up front with
application, $4k yearly. A variable fee to icann once you start
Robert - elists writes:
DOB, for example, is run by ar.com, who are a registrar. Since they are a
domain registrar, they have full, direct access to the whois database.
Jeff C.
Well there ya go Jeff...
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
why do you
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Robert - elists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DOB, for example, is run by ar.com, who are a registrar. Since they
are a
domain registrar, they have full, direct access to the whois
database.
Jeff C.
Well there ya go Jeff...
Become a
At 08:56 26-09-2007, Robert - elists wrote:
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
Access to Whois data is not limited to registrars only.
I suggest reading the Whois terms of service before enabling this plugin.
Regards,
-sm
-Messaggio originale-
Da: SM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 08:56 26-09-2007, Robert - elists wrote:
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
Access to Whois data is not limited to registrars only.
I suggest reading the Whois terms of service before enabling this
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
-Messaggio originale-
Da: SM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 08:56 26-09-2007, Robert - elists wrote:
Become a registrar and bam! More data to help you cause
Access to Whois data is not limited to registrars only.
I suggest reading the Whois terms of service
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
However, mostly they say that:
Whois database is provided by XX for information purposes
only,
and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related
to a
domain name registration
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
So, I don't see the problem here: we are attempting to obtain
information about or related to a domain name registration record.
Doing it over and over and over from an automated tool can be
considered abusive when the service was intended to
At 13:48 26-09-2007, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
These terms depend upon the registrar offering the service.
However, mostly they say that:
Whois database is provided by XX for information purposes only,
and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a
-Messaggio originale-
Da: John D. Hardin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
So, I don't see the problem here: we are attempting to obtain
information about or related to a domain name registration record.
Doing it over and over and over
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
This means nothing: what is a high volume? Also, you normally use the
whois command. Isn't it an automated, electronic process? They are to
say: If we like to ban you, don't scream!.
These terms comes from early internet ages, when spammers were used to
scavenge
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
That refers to pretty much all TLDs and ccTLDs
If you want to go slamming registry and registrar whois servers in an
automated fashion you will get blacklisted by them all and blocked
I don't want
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
That refers to pretty much all TLDs and ccTLDs
If you want to go slamming registry and registrar whois servers in an
automated fashion you will get blacklisted by them all and
If nothing else, you should likely add a disclaimer to your rules as you
can't control the threshold at which a site may be blocked for excessive
queries. I doubt that most users on this list have email volumes as low
as yours (100?), and will go well above the thresholds you've tested. I
am a
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 0.55
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
That refers to pretty much all TLDs and
-Messaggio originale-
Da: Dave Koontz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 0.50
If nothing else, you should likely add a disclaimer to your rules as
you
can't control the threshold at which a site may be blocked for
excessive
queries. I doubt that most
Thanks for the explanation, but I think you are missing the point here.
What is reasonable and what will cause a block?
An individual may well issue 100 queries a day for research. Not many
have the time to do tens of thousands+ a day (or more). Any system that
does will likely fall into the
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