Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-06 Thread mouss
Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit : > On 05.04.09 14:18, Jeremy Morton wrote: >> Hmm, not sure why my Spamassassin isn't detecting it as spam then. How >> do I set Spamassassin to give me a full spam analysis header even when >> the message isn't detected as spam? As you can see it just gives me a

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-06 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 05.04.09 14:18, Jeremy Morton wrote: > Hmm, not sure why my Spamassassin isn't detecting it as spam then. How > do I set Spamassassin to give me a full spam analysis header even when > the message isn't detected as spam? As you can see it just gives me a > 'X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7'. D

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sun, April 5, 2009 12:41, Jeremy Morton wrote: > I'm not quite sure what they mean by 'return address'; do they mean > the From: field? Return-Path != From > If so, all the backscatter I'm getting has a From: address might be the sender, but not always > so none of it would be considered bo

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 11:20 +0100, Jeremy Morton wrote: > Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > whitelist_bounce_relays your.outgoing.smtp > > > > See the VBounce documentation [2] and 20_vbounce.cf on your machine. > > Simply define all your outgoing SMTP servers to enable the VBounce > > plugin and re

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 11:12 +0100, Jeremy Morton wrote: > Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > ok_locales en# all Western char sets in general > > Maybe this is just the docs being worded badly, but it looks like that > simply marks en charset mail as being not spam... it doesn't > automatically

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Hmm, not sure why my Spamassassin isn't detecting it as spam then. How do I set Spamassassin to give me a full spam analysis header even when the message isn't detected as spam? As you can see it just gives me a 'X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7'. Best regards, Jeremy Morton (Jez) mouss wrote:

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread mouss
Jeremy Morton a écrit : > [snip] > Examples of a couple of the type of bouncebacks I get: > http://www.game-point.net/misc/bb1.txt This one is not a "conformant" bounce. but this doesn't matter. it is detected as spam by SA: Content analysis details: (10.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name

RE: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Mark
-Original Message- From: Jeremy Morton [mailto:ad...@game-point.net] Sent: zondag 5 april 2009 13:44 To: mouss+nob...@netoyen.net Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? > Examples of a couple of the type of bouncebacks I get: > > http:/

RE: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Mark
-Original Message- From: Jeremy Morton [mailto:ad...@game-point.net] Sent: zondag 5 april 2009 12:36 To: SM Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? > Unless I'm missing something, this is going to be utterly useless for > me. Wikipedia says: &

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Duane Hill
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Jeremy Morton wrote: mouss wrote: Jeremy Morton a ?crit : mouss wrote: the recipient of the bounce is the sender of the original message. so if you use BATV, you could block bounces sent to a non BATV address. Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but let's go back to

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> >>1. Is it possible to have a Spamassassin rule that considers subjects > >>that contain a character glyph not used by the English or French > >>languages (obviously punctuation, numbers, and some other stuff would > >>also be allowed) to be spam? > Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > >ok_locales en

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
mouss wrote: Jeremy Morton a écrit : mouss wrote: the recipient of the bounce is the sender of the original message. so if you use BATV, you could block bounces sent to a non BATV address. Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but let's go back to basics; how do I identify a 'bounce' messag

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Mark wrote: -Original Message- From: Jeremy Morton [mailto:ad...@game-point.net] Sent: zondag 5 april 2009 11:54 To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? Again, I ask, what does SRS do to deal with bouncebacks that don't have the SRS info in t

RE: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Mark
-Original Message- From: Jeremy Morton [mailto:ad...@game-point.net] Sent: zondag 5 april 2009 11:54 To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? > Again, I ask, what does SRS do to deal with bouncebacks that don't have > the SRS info in the To add

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread mouss
Jeremy Morton a écrit : > mouss wrote: >> the recipient of the bounce is the sender of the original message. so if >> you use BATV, you could block bounces sent to a non BATV address. > > Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but let's go back to basics; > how do I identify a 'bounce' message?

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
mouss wrote: the recipient of the bounce is the sender of the original message. so if you use BATV, you could block bounces sent to a non BATV address. Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but let's go back to basics; how do I identify a 'bounce' message? There seems to be no standard for

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread mouss
Jeremy Morton a écrit : > Unless I'm missing something, this is going to be utterly useless for > me. Wikipedia says: > "E-mail that is being bounced back should have an empty (null) return > address so that bounces are never created for a bounce and therefore you > can't get messages bouncing bac

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Unless I'm missing something, this is going to be utterly useless for me. Wikipedia says: "E-mail that is being bounced back should have an empty (null) return address so that bounces are never created for a bounce and therefore you can't get messages bouncing back and forth forever." I'm not

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread SM
At 02:59 05-04-2009, Jeremy Morton wrote: Well, as far as I can tell from that document, SRS is great at saying, "yep, this is a legit bounce message". But, if SRS says it doesn't seem to be, aren't you rather back at square 1? A message that looks like a regular e-mail, doesn't really have a

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: [...] 2. Is there a Spamassassin rule that tries to catch any bounceback message (unfortunately in any language, I am getting bounceback messages in most languages known to mankind) to be spam? whitelist_bounce_relays your.outgoing.smtp See the VBounce documentation

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: 1. Is it possible to have a Spamassassin rule that considers subjects that contain a character glyph not used by the English or French languages (obviously punctuation, numbers, and some other stuff would also be allowed) to be spam? ok_locales en# all Western cha

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Sent: zaterdag 4 april 2009 19:47 To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? [...] Just to be clear on this, SRS wasn't my invention: it was primarily developed by Shevek, to work in conjunction with SPF. It is multi-teered, really (my doc just covers the basics). It

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
11:39 To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Ways to block bouncebacks? Hi, I'm running Spamassassin on my server because of my cPanel installation and have been for ages. It's been working GREAT for blocking spam, and I'm happy about that. However, of late, I've been j

RE: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-04 Thread Mark
-Original Message- From: LuKreme [mailto:krem...@kreme.com] Sent: zaterdag 4 april 2009 19:47 To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? On 4-Apr-2009, at 04:07, Mark wrote: > > Consider using SRS. I wrote a (now somewhat older) doc about

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-04 Thread LuKreme
On 4-Apr-2009, at 04:07, Mark wrote: Consider using SRS. I wrote a (now somewhat older) doc about it, at: http://srs-socketmap.info/sendmailsrs.htm But it gives you an idea. There's good C implementations for it, these days, and it will definitely stop ALL fake bounce, with no FPs. I've read

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-04 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 10:45 +0100, Jeremy Morton wrote: > I'm running Spamassassin on my server because of my cPanel installation > and have been for ages. It's been working GREAT for blocking spam, and > I'm happy about that. However, of late, I've been joe-jobbed majorly, > and I'm receiving

RE: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-04 Thread Mark
eremy Morton [mailto:ad...@game-point.net] Sent: zaterdag 4 april 2009 11:39 To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Ways to block bouncebacks? Hi, I'm running Spamassassin on my server because of my cPanel installation and have been for ages. It's been working GREAT for blocking

Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-04 Thread Jeremy Morton
Hi, I'm running Spamassassin on my server because of my cPanel installation and have been for ages. It's been working GREAT for blocking spam, and I'm happy about that. However, of late, I've been joe-jobbed majorly, and I'm receiving thousands of bounceback messages in probably 20+ differe