Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-18 Thread Per Jessen
Henrik K wrote: Ok, while DNS would allow that, it would be a real waste of a protocol. Why would you want to make the sending party wait for a response that only adds delays and has no purpose? Simply send a UDP packet and be done with it. No TCP or DNS overhead. One or two lines of perl.

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-18 Thread Jonas Eckerman
Marc Perkel wrote: spam 1.2.3.4 example.com ham 5.6.7.8 example2.com Sending these one line TCP messages if fairly easy. Why use TCP for this? Establishing a connection channel for simple short mesages where a return code is not required introduces pointless overhead. It'd be much

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-18 Thread Jonas Eckerman
Jason Haar wrote: Then the third filed is NONE. That's how I do it. But the idea is that any kind of daya can be collectively gathered and distributed. Instead of a TCP channel (which means software), what about using DNS? If the SA clients did RBL lookups that contained the details as

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-18 Thread Jonas Eckerman
Per Jessen wrote: DNS lookups are usually tried done with UDP first, Sure, DNS usually uses UDP, but the DNS resolver also waits for an answer, wich is simply a waste of time when the sender doesn't need the answer. Add to this that resolving one address may result in multiple queries

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-18 Thread Jason Haar
On 12/19/2009 04:51 AM, Jonas Eckerman wrote: (And if more security is needed the easiest way would be to simple limit access to approved IP addresses.) Except that a token would enable one owner with multiple SA instances on separate networks to come across as one entity - that could be

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-18 Thread John Hardin
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Jason Haar wrote: On 12/19/2009 04:51 AM, Jonas Eckerman wrote: (And if more security is needed the easiest way would be to simple limit access to approved IP addresses.) Except that a token would enable one owner with multiple SA instances on separate networks to come

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-17 Thread Marc Perkel
Jason Haar wrote: On 12/17/2009 03:30 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: Then the third filed is NONE. That's how I do it. But the idea is that any kind of daya can be collectively gathered and distributed. Instead of a TCP channel (which means software), what about using DNS? If the SA clients did

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-17 Thread Jason Haar
On 12/18/2009 05:31 AM, Marc Perkel wrote: In this case the idea is to gather data in real time. So those who gather data need to be able to send the data to a central place that receives the data and then makes it available to everyone. You've lost me there - DNS would allow you to do that.

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-17 Thread Henrik K
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 08:20:47AM +1300, Jason Haar wrote: On 12/18/2009 05:31 AM, Marc Perkel wrote: In this case the idea is to gather data in real time. So those who gather data need to be able to send the data to a central place that receives the data and then makes it available to

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-16 Thread Mike Cardwell
On 16/12/2009 15:37, Marc Perkel wrote: I have an idea for a cooperative data gathering project and it's similar to what we at Junk Email Filter are doing internally. The idea to that a number of you on the list who run a large spam filtering operation send one line messages reporting IP

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-16 Thread Marc Perkel
Mike Cardwell wrote: On 16/12/2009 15:37, Marc Perkel wrote: I have an idea for a cooperative data gathering project and it's similar to what we at Junk Email Filter are doing internally. The idea to that a number of you on the list who run a large spam filtering operation send one line

RE: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-16 Thread R-Elists
marc, what if there is no RDNS ? ;-) - rh

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-16 Thread Marc Perkel
Then the third filed is NONE. That's how I do it. But the idea is that any kind of daya can be collectively gathered and distributed. R-Elists wrote: marc, what if there is no RDNS ? ;-) - rh

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-16 Thread Jason Haar
On 12/17/2009 03:30 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: Then the third filed is NONE. That's how I do it. But the idea is that any kind of daya can be collectively gathered and distributed. Instead of a TCP channel (which means software), what about using DNS? If the SA clients did RBL lookups that

Re: Cooperative data gathering project.

2009-12-16 Thread Per Jessen
Jason Haar wrote: On 12/17/2009 03:30 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: Then the third filed is NONE. That's how I do it. But the idea is that any kind of daya can be collectively gathered and distributed. Instead of a TCP channel (which means software), what about using DNS? If the SA clients did RBL