Re: UNS: Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread
On 05/13/2013 06:23 PM, Andreas Krey wrote: No, the basic difference is that VCS operating on the whole tree can only have branches (and thus merge info) on the whole tree either, so you*can't* go like subversion does and map branches into the tree and need to have them (and tags) as a separate

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread
On 05/15/2013 04:04 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Zé jose.pas...@gmx.com wrote: What has been said regarding subversions lack of support for branching was, I think, quite clear. Well, no. The only thing you've made clear is that you don't like it or you don't

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread
On 05/15/2013 06:59 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Andrew Reedick andrew.reed...@cbeyond.net wrote: Plus, telling people not use to svn's touted directory manipulation features because of side-effects is a bit self-defeating. Not if you want it to act like SCM's

Re: UNS: Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Thorsten Schöning
Guten Tag Zé, am Samstag, 18. Mai 2013 um 18:24 schrieben Sie: The only difference between subversion and other SCM systems is that other systems offer support for labeling and adding useful info to those revisions, while Subversion doesn't. Which useful info besides the name, and always

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread David Chapman
On 5/18/2013 9:37 AM, Zé wrote: On 05/15/2013 06:59 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Andrew Reedick andrew.reed...@cbeyond.net wrote: Plus, telling people not use to svn's touted directory manipulation features because of side-effects is a bit self-defeating. Not

Re: UNS: Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Daniel Shahaf
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 07:33:10PM +0200, Thorsten Schöning wrote: ... Let's put it this way: if that was actually a tag then it could also be argued that any file system supports branching/tagging. You ignore the versioning part of Subversion and that it guarantees the state/history of

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread
On 05/18/2013 07:16 PM, David Chapman wrote: You are pretty insistent that there is One True Way to use branches in development. No, I'm stating that if all a SCM does is track changes made to the contents of a directory and you rely on changes made to that directory to emulate branches,

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread David Chapman
On 5/18/2013 12:01 PM, Zé wrote: On 05/18/2013 07:16 PM, David Chapman wrote: You are pretty insistent that there is One True Way to use branches in development. No, I'm stating that if all a SCM does is track changes made to the contents of a directory and you rely on changes made to that

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 9:33 PM, David Chapman dcchap...@acm.org wrote: On 5/18/2013 12:01 PM, Zé wrote: On 05/18/2013 07:16 PM, David Chapman wrote: You are pretty insistent that there is One True Way to use branches in development. No, I'm stating that if all a SCM does is track

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Andreas Krey
On Sat, 18 May 2013 19:33:10 +, Thorsten Schöning wrote: ... That's not an argument at all, because all one does in other SCMs is creating branches and tags. What you really should argue is what all devs think is common sense about branches and tags You mean like 'I expect tags to be

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Andreas Krey
On Sat, 18 May 2013 19:33:10 +, Thorsten Schöning wrote: Guten Tag Zé, am Samstag, 18. Mai 2013 um 18:24 schrieben Sie: The only difference between subversion and other SCM systems is that other systems offer support for labeling and adding useful info to those revisions, while

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Andreas Krey
On Sat, 18 May 2013 17:24:33 +, Zé wrote: ... Compared to how other SCM systems handle tags, subversion also doesn't have tags as a separate concept. Subversion provides a way to pinpoint each commit objectively and unambiguously by specifying specific revisions. Not even that. You

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Andreas Krey
On Sat, 18 May 2013 22:16:48 +, Johan Corveleyn wrote: ... Please be concrete, and give examples of what really bothers you as a user or an admin in your daily work. Saying that branches are not first class, or I don't like it that Subversion implements branches/tags by copying directories

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Johan Corveleyn
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Andreas Krey a.k...@gmx.de wrote: On Sat, 18 May 2013 22:16:48 +, Johan Corveleyn wrote: ... Please be concrete, and give examples of what really bothers you as a user or an admin in your daily work. Saying that branches are not first class, or I don't

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Johan Corveleyn wrote on Sat, May 18, 2013 at 23:38:11 +0200: On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Andreas Krey a.k...@gmx.de wrote: The good old 'svn commit file; svn log' doesn't show the commit to file issue? Sorry? What issue is that? This one is actually in the FAQ. It's inherent to

Re: Subversion Doesn't Have Branches aka Crossing the Streams aka Branches as First Class Objects?

2013-05-18 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Johan Corveleyn wrote on Sat, May 18, 2013 at 23:38:11 +0200: On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Andreas Krey a.k...@gmx.de wrote: On Sat, 18 May 2013 22:16:48 +, Johan Corveleyn wrote: ... Please be concrete, and give examples of what really bothers you as a user or an admin in your