Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Rafael Bugajewski
> On 2018-20-12, at 05:16 AM, Christopher Dodunski > wrote: > > Should simplification, then, be one of the declared objectives going forward? I would appreciate this as one goal of the future roadmap. Rafael - To

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Christopher Dodunski
Hi all, "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. Winsome words from a once French aviator. Perfecting Tapestry is unlikely to be a simple matter of just culling code. Still, it

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread David Taylor
It would be great to see a fresh vision and roadmap for Tapestry going forward. Tapestry has many strengths, but has a relatively steep learning curve and does not do enough to help new developers get off the ground. We have been using Tapestry for a very long time and still find it

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Rafael Bugajewski
> On 2018-19-12, at 07:32 PM, Carlos Montero Canabal > wrote: > > I'm serving AMP pages with Tapestry ( > https://elcocinerocasero.com/amp/receta/tortilla-de-patata ). I hope to > upload an example to http://tapestry5.dev-util.com/ this weekend with the > workaround to do it... That’s great

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Rafael Bugajewski
> On 2018-19-12, at 07:01 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo > wrote: > > What issue, exactly? Exact HTML output? If yes, this is something that > probably can be either fixed in Tapestry itself or customized implementing > a MarkupRenderer. Yes, this basically boils down to Tapestry not

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Numa Schmeder
Hello, I kind of agree with Rafael. I would really like to see tapestry core having no css or JS framework dependencies at all, server side only validation etc… And a pluggable architecture where you can add bootstrap compatibility os JS frameworks or form client side validation etc… The

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Carlos Montero Canabal
I'm serving AMP pages with Tapestry ( https://elcocinerocasero.com/amp/receta/tortilla-de-patata ). I hope to upload an example to http://tapestry5.dev-util.com/ this weekend with the workaround to do it... But yes, AMP and XHTML aren´t good friends... El mié., 19 dic. 2018 a las 17:03, Rafael

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:03 PM Rafael Bugajewski wrote: > The one thing that comes straight up from my head is the current > complexity / pipeline necessary for generating output. A couple of months > ago I wanted to generate valid AMP pages within Tapestry. After one day of > research and a

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Rafael Bugajewski
> On 2018-19-12, at 01:23 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo > wrote: > > Well, some stuff is indeed not simple, and I'd say the form support is the > part which could use some new components to make at least the simpler > scenarios simpler to implement (for example, when there are no loops). >

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Rafael Bugajewski
> On 2018-19-12, at 02:26 PM, Chris Poulsen wrote: > > Perhaps it is possible to find a lightweight,/focused library with a > compatible license today, that tapestry could rely on, instead of > attempting to implement this on its own. I pretty much like this idea in practice. What I mean

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Chris Poulsen
Hi Nice work on moving tapestry forward! It looks like the JDK updates may just land, before we can't postpone updating our stuff anymore *fingers crossed* ;) There are still something fishy in the property access / generics support implementation, I reported it some years back either on the

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Rafael Bugajewski wrote: > Congratulations! Thanks to the core team for your continuous work and the > effort you put into maintaining Tapestry. > Thanks! > I think the whole industry goes the way of trying to simplify things (just > take a look at the most

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Carlos Montero Canabal
Great news and great work Tapestry Team! El mié., 19 dic. 2018 a las 0:15, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo (< thiag...@gmail.com>) escribió: > You're welcome! > > Tapestry 5.5, supporting Java 11, will be released in the next couple > months at most. > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 5:54 PM Cezary

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Rafael Bugajewski
Congratulations! Thanks to the core team for your continuous work and the effort you put into maintaining Tapestry. I think the whole industry goes the way of trying to simplify things (just take a look at the most recent programming languages & frameworks). If we’re talking about modernizing

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Tapestry 5.4.4

2018-12-19 Thread Christopher Dodunski
Good team effort! It's encouraging to see Tapestry progressing in step with associated technologies: Java 12 is due out in March, and Hibernate currently at version 5.3.3. Tapestry 5 was a leap forward from 4. Where does the community see Tapestry 6 at on the Java web landscape? A free and