Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-20 Thread emerson cargnin
Hi Chris > Configuring Tomcat logging is usually easy: if you accept the default > configuration, you get catalina.out (stdout), plus some daily-rolled > files that are all defined in logging.properties. The logging.properties > file contains configuration and documentation that are helpful if yo

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread André Warnier
Christofer, Mark and others, I have read, collected, and will re-read, the answers I got this time. I appreciate them, because they are informative, and you took the time and pain to answer this in a way I can (at least in part) understand. Other people, in various ways, made the point better th

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark, Mark Thomas wrote: > André Warnier wrote: >> I have another point to add : maybe I understand this wrong, but it >> seems that with the current implementation, a webapp is able to decide >> where and how it logs, no matter what the overall serve

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Thomas
André Warnier wrote: > Mark H. Wood wrote: > [...] good stuff > >> >> I think that's what is being asked: there should be *one page* that >> begins with *everything you need to know* in order to say, "put the >> log file there". Just that. After that, it's appropriate to point >> out that much m

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread André Warnier
Mark H. Wood wrote: [...] good stuff I think that's what is being asked: there should be *one page* that begins with *everything you need to know* in order to say, "put the log file there". Just that. After that, it's appropriate to point out that much more subtle arrangements are available,

RE: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Peter Crowther
I think there's a miscommunication going on. > From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > well our [...] > admins are well able to configure tomcat logging as they wish (mainly > by using log4j configs we (developers) [...]). OK. So your admins have in-house developers to turn to. [...] >

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread David kerber
Mark H. Wood wrote: There is simple, and then there is SIMPLE. The typical daemon has ONE LINE for logging configuration: "log file goes there". Some might have one line for the error log and another for an activity log. Some might let you say whether to use syslog or files. If you supply NO

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Mark H. Wood
There is simple, and then there is SIMPLE. The typical daemon has ONE LINE for logging configuration: "log file goes there". Some might have one line for the error log and another for an activity log. Some might let you say whether to use syslog or files. If you supply NO configuration, it wil

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:01:30AM +0200, Johnny Kewl wrote: > The thing that has alway amazed me... we use JMX, we have this complex > logging engine, but tomcat is a big powerful web server... is it only me, > but how come that cant be presented as a web page you just address > /myserver/m

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:42 PM, André Warnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Leon Rosenberg wrote: > [...] >> >> I am sorry, but do you always log to system.out in your applications? >> Maybe you should take a look at some of numerous logging projects, >> starting with >> log4j as the most prominent

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Stephen Caine
Andre, In regards to contacting IS people (not developers or specialists) who use Tomcat in production environments, please contact me off-list. I think I can help to point you in the right direction and get you access to the resources you are requesting. Thank you, Stephen Caine Commo

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread André Warnier
Leon Rosenberg wrote: [...] I am sorry, but do you always log to system.out in your applications? Maybe you should take a look at some of numerous logging projects, starting with log4j as the most prominent. http://logging.apache.org/log4j/1.2/index.html With utmost respect, Leon, but this i

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:06 PM, David kerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Leon Rosenberg wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:48 PM, David kerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> For my part, I generally agree with the OP. Specifically, the show >>> stopper >>> for me is that the docume

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread David kerber
dorse distribution to any party other than intended recipient. Sender does not necessarily endorse content contained within this transmission. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:10:58 +0200 - Original Me

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread David kerber
Leon Rosenberg wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:48 PM, David kerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For my part, I generally agree with the OP. Specifically, the show stopper for me is that the documentation isn't detailed enough at the level of the application and administrator level, and especi

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Mikolaj Rydzewski
David kerber wrote: For my part, I generally agree with the OP. Specifically, the show stopper for me is that the documentation isn't detailed enough at the level of the application and administrator level, and especially doesn't give enough examples of the different methods of logging. I ha

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Gregor Schneider
Hm, I guess I disagree. Tomcat is using / supporting the standard logging-features from Java, and I think this is the way it should be. If the Java Community decides for a new way of logging, TC may implement it. For us, we just configure TC to use log4j, and it works like charm. Sure, it's no "

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:48 PM, David kerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For my part, I generally agree with the OP. Specifically, the show stopper > for me is that the documentation isn't detailed enough at the level of the > application and administrator level, and especially doesn't give en

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread David kerber
Peter Crowther wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From earlier Tomcat expert's messages here, I understand that the previous logging methods were technically flawed, and that the new methods, technically, are far superior. But from tens of user's messages on this list, it is c

RE: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Martin Gainty
within this transmission. > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > Subject: Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:10:58 +0200 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Johnny Kewl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: &qu

RE: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Peter Crowther
> From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From earlier Tomcat expert's messages here, I understand that the > previous logging methods were technically flawed, and that the new > methods, technically, are far superior. > > But from tens of user's messages on this list, it is clear > that i

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Johnny Kewl
- Original Message - From: "Johnny Kewl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers - Original Message - From: "André Warnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread Johnny Kewl
- Original Message - From: "André Warnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: Appeal to Tomcat developers Dear Tomcat developers, this is a humble appeal. I know I have in the past been "ove

Appeal to Tomcat developers

2008-10-16 Thread André Warnier
Dear Tomcat developers, this is a humble appeal. I know I have in the past been "over the top" on this subject, and for that I apologise. The appeal is about Tomcat logging. I will venture a few risky bets : 1) for every Tomcat used in a development context, there are 100 used in a productio