Re: [OT] JK Connector problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rainer, Rainer Jung wrote: Christopher Schultz schrieb: If you've got Program Files already in the path, why not have Apache Group in there as well? ... Germans would love Apache Group without spaces ... MS localization translates Program Files into Programme Interesting. most likely because in German the words are always longer and Programm-Dateien is not 8.3. Neither is Programme. It'll be PROGRA~1 in either case. So we don't have spaces by default in each Windows installation path and thus run into this type of problem less often but then more surprised. I think you're in a better position than I am to lobby for such a change ;) Viel Glück. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk73YsACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PDmggCfQq5HPmiq1emznbjkw3rt5UIP SOgAn3FqIPfj/X3nu51dvsqsrwVqKex0 =FTwX -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] JK Connector problem
Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rainer, Rainer Jung wrote: Christopher Schultz schrieb: If you've got Program Files already in the path, why not have Apache Group in there as well? ... Germans would love Apache Group without spaces ... And so would the French, the Spanish, the Belgians, and many others. MS localization translates Program Files into Programme Interesting. Similarly interesting maybe then : On a Spanish Windows, it is Archivos de Programas (2 spaces) On a French Windows, it is Fichiers de Programmes (also 2 spaces) It's absolutely great when one needs to support users in different countries.. I believe the point some people (me) are trying to make is that it is not because MS does stupid things, that all software developers have to follow suit. And specially not open source software developers. Apache Group is stupid as part of a path, there is simply no other word for it. Persist and sign, André - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] JK Connector problem
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 14:27, André Warnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the point some people (me) are trying to make is that it is not because MS does stupid things, that all software developers have to follow suit. And specially not open source software developers. Apache Group is stupid as part of a path, there is simply no other word for it. And others (me, at least) are trying to make the point that spaces have existed in pathnames since long before Windows, and you have to deal with them. IMO it's not Microsoft that's doing stupid things, it's programmers who can't handle space characters in strings. -- Len
Re: [OT] JK Connector problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 André, André Warnier wrote: Folder/directory/file names with spaces in them are evil, and should be forbidden in any new OS, by unanimous decision of the UN Security Council, US Supreme Court and EU Commission. The developers who first allowed this should be tracked down and named publically. Their boss who approved this should be fired (he's probably already retired though). I disagree. I think that the developers who use spaces as delimiters for path names should be the ones held accountable. The only place this type of thing should be sticky is in the use of shell scripts, where spaces usually separate things like parameters. It does happen in, say, Apache configuration files because often spaces are used to separate things like parameters, similar to shell scripts. File (and path) names with spaces are definitely a good thing. Remember 8.3? groan When I'm using a Windoze box, I still feel like I'm somehow constrained. When using a Mac, I'm all look at the retardedly long filename I can type without the file manager getting all pissed off! and then I laugh maniacally. Well, the maniacal laughter occurs regularly whether I'm typing filenames on Mac or not, so I suppose that was a bit of a red herring. The Apache group should stop installing their Windows versions by default in a directory containing the silly names Apache Group and/or Program Files in the path. How many useless programming and debugging hours does it have to cost before this issue is put to rest ? You can't really avoid the Program Files thing because that's where Microsoft says you're supposed to install applications. If Apache decided to stubbornly install apps into C:\OPT or something like that, they break convention, and look like bad guys (don't get me started on the whole /opt vs. /usr/local argument rrr!). If you've got Program Files already in the path, why not have Apache Group in there as well? What would be better is if all configuration files contained proper documentation (and I'm not saying they don't) related to properly surrounding path names with double-quotes. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5VnYACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAh/ACgqgnqZRuWL6ODax20NbTV//4r tXUAniskIBlnMKwTvYw3MDe5F1TgdlOl =Lc/v -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] JK Connector problem
Christopher Schultz schrieb: If you've got Program Files already in the path, why not have Apache Group in there as well? ... Germans would love Apache Group without spaces ... MS localization translates Program Files into Programme, most likely because in German the words are always longer and Programm-Dateien is not 8.3. So we don't have spaces by default in each Windows installation path and thus run into this type of problem less often but then more surprised. Regards, Rainer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] JK Connector problem
nitingupta183 wrote: I was using a folder name with spaces and without putting it inside a double quote. You are not the first, and not the last to lose time over this. Folder/directory/file names with spaces in them are evil, and should be forbidden in any new OS, by unanimous decision of the UN Security Council, US Supreme Court and EU Commission. The developers who first allowed this should be tracked down and named publically. Their boss who approved this should be fired (he's probably already retired though). The Apache group should stop installing their Windows versions by default in a directory containing the silly names Apache Group and/or Program Files in the path. How many useless programming and debugging hours does it have to cost before this issue is put to rest ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] JK Connector problem
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Folder/directory/file names with spaces in them are evil, and should be forbidden in any new OS, by unanimous decision of the UN Security Council, US Supreme Court and EU Commission. The developers who first allowed this should be tracked down and named publically. Their boss who approved this should be fired (he's probably already retired though). As I've commented before, it's at least as old as UNIX, probably older. If you try to stop the accounts team naming their Excel files Budgets from Margaret 2008-2009 you may find your office surrounded by a mob of pitchfork- and torch-waving users chanting give us back our readable filenames. Overall, I suspect more hours have been saved by humanity having readable filenames* than lost by developers having to work round the problems. The Apache group should stop installing their Windows versions by default in a directory containing the silly names Apache Group and/or Program Files in the path. How many useless programming and debugging hours does it have to cost before this issue is put to rest ? Program Files is mandated by Microsoft, lobby them. I partially agree that Apache Group is a poor name for a directory; it does, at least, force implementors to face up to the problem early, rather than facing a surprise later. This may or may not be a good thing overall. - Peter * ReadingSpeedGoesUpWhenTheSpacesAreInTheCorrectPlace.HowLongHasItTakenYouToReadThisComparedToYourUsualReadingSpeed?Andhowmuchslowerisitwhenthereisn'tevencamelcasetohelpyoudistinguishwordbreaks? OK, now multiply that by all filenames read by all users over all their time interacting with their computers. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Peter Crowther wrote: If you try to stop the accounts team naming their Excel files Budgets from Margaret 2008-2009 you may find your office surrounded by a mob of pitchfork- and torch-waving users That is a weak objection. They can also not name it Budget 2008/2009 or Projections sales profits, and never have been allowed to. Under Windows, you could never name a file CON or LPT. Under Tomcat, you can name an application main#menu, but it will probably give you all kinds of trouble if you don't do it judiciously. I have never seen pitchforks and torches waved there, yet. But you're right, it's probably too late. Sigh. Not for Apache Group though. Cicero had to repeat delenda Cartago for years before they got up to it. Galileo once said et puor, si muove, and although he got into some trouble at the time, he was finally rehabilitated a few years ago. (*) Note that, as you obliquely hint at yourself, using spaces in directory/filenames is only bad because a space is also considered as a separator in many other circumstances. So one could instead disallow spaces as separators in command-lines, and there would no longer be problems either. How about that ? ;-) (*) On the other hand, people in the UK still drive on the wrong side of the road, despite being asked many times to change their silly ways. Go figure. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
