Re: Tomcat not part of RHEL 8 distro?

[Coty Sutherland]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 3:43 PM Sean Neeley 
wrote:

> I heard that tomcat is no longer available for RHEL 8.  Does anyone know
> why this is?  What free alternatives are there for java servlets, which
> have rpm packages managed by Red Hat?  Thanks
>

The answer to your question is pretty complicated IMO, but check out
https://access.redhat.com/solutions/661403 or open a support ticket and
inquire further (both suggestions assume you have a support subscription).
As far as what other free servlet containers there are available, I don't
know of any in RHEL, but the Tomcat package still exists on Fedora. There
is a BZ to create an EPEL 8 Tomcat package, but honestly I don't think it's
likely to get much traction because the dependencies needed to build Tomcat
on RHEL 8 are no longer provided either and would have to be added back to
the distro. The best way forward for you is probably to repackage the
Tomcat binaries from the ASF into an RPM (which should be pretty easy and
you can use https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/tomcat as an example), if
that's what you need to install. Otherwise you can just unzip/untar Tomcat
and use it as usual.


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Re: Tomcat not part of RHEL 8 distro?

[Sean Neeley]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 3:46 PM calder  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 3:05 PM Sean Neeley 
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 2:57 PM calder  wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 14:43 Sean Neeley 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I heard that tomcat is no longer available for RHEL 8.  Does anyone
> know
> > > > why this is?  What free alternatives are there for java servlets,
> which
> > > > have rpm packages managed by Red Hat?
> > >
> > > I would fathom a guess that'd be a question for Red Hat?  (as they
> decide
> > > what's available for their distro).
> > > .
> > > In a pinch, one could download plain vanilla Tomcat and install to
> "/opt/"
> > > [1] ... or you could go through the manual pain to install as it would
> be
> > > deployed on RHEL 7.x
> > > .
> > > [1] We do this
> >
> > Thanks.  I know the decision was Red Hat's, but I thought someone here
> > might know the reason.
>
> It's quite possible - I am not a member of the official Tomcat team,
> so they may chime in if they are privy to that info.
>
> > I may do what you did and install as it was on RHEL 7.x.
>
> To be clear, we do not mimic the install layout as is done in RHEL 7.x
> (a splintered install, where various sub-dirs located in different
> sub-dir trees)
>
> We install (most all 3rd party software) to the "/opt/" tree, so we
> have Tomcat based in:
> /opt/tomcat/ ... and TC's native sub-dirs are all encased in that tree, as
> in:
>
> calder@ren:/opt/tomcat > ls -A1
> bin
> conf
> lib
> logs
> temp
> webapps
> work
> calder@ren:/opt/tomcat >
>
> The simplest explanation is
> (1) create the "/opt/tomcat" sub-dir
> (2) unzip the plain-vanilla ZIP there.
> There's much more to it for us[1], but that's it in a nutshell.
>
> > The drawback is no automatic updates.
> Understood [1]  (we do not allow distro vendor updates).
>
> > Did you package your installation into an rpm that could be shared?
> Shared, as in, "with the general public" ? [1]
>
> [1] Because we are a banking institution, we do not allow 3rd party
> software to be "maintained by the distro vendor" (for updates, etc).
> We are responsible to determine how and "where" the 3rd party
> software will be packaged, installed, and updated.
> Any software packages or documents (etc) created internally can *not*
> leave any machine or our network.
>
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Thanks for the tips.  I will give this a try.  I was asking if you created
a package that you can share with me, for my server.  But if you are not
allowed to do so, or your package has proprietary things in it, I
understand.  I was just trying to save myself some time.

Re: Tomcat not part of RHEL 8 distro?

[calder]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 3:05 PM Sean Neeley  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 2:57 PM calder  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 14:43 Sean Neeley  wrote:
> >
> > > I heard that tomcat is no longer available for RHEL 8.  Does anyone know
> > > why this is?  What free alternatives are there for java servlets, which
> > > have rpm packages managed by Red Hat?
> >
> > I would fathom a guess that'd be a question for Red Hat?  (as they decide
> > what's available for their distro).
> > .
> > In a pinch, one could download plain vanilla Tomcat and install to "/opt/"
> > [1] ... or you could go through the manual pain to install as it would be
> > deployed on RHEL 7.x
> > .
> > [1] We do this
>
> Thanks.  I know the decision was Red Hat's, but I thought someone here
> might know the reason.

It's quite possible - I am not a member of the official Tomcat team,
so they may chime in if they are privy to that info.

> I may do what you did and install as it was on RHEL 7.x.

To be clear, we do not mimic the install layout as is done in RHEL 7.x
(a splintered install, where various sub-dirs located in different
sub-dir trees)

We install (most all 3rd party software) to the "/opt/" tree, so we
have Tomcat based in:
/opt/tomcat/ ... and TC's native sub-dirs are all encased in that tree, as in:

calder@ren:/opt/tomcat > ls -A1
bin
conf
lib
logs
temp
webapps
work
calder@ren:/opt/tomcat >

The simplest explanation is
(1) create the "/opt/tomcat" sub-dir
(2) unzip the plain-vanilla ZIP there.
There's much more to it for us[1], but that's it in a nutshell.

> The drawback is no automatic updates.
Understood [1]  (we do not allow distro vendor updates).

> Did you package your installation into an rpm that could be shared?
Shared, as in, "with the general public" ? [1]

[1] Because we are a banking institution, we do not allow 3rd party
software to be "maintained by the distro vendor" (for updates, etc).
We are responsible to determine how and "where" the 3rd party
software will be packaged, installed, and updated.
Any software packages or documents (etc) created internally can *not*
leave any machine or our network.

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Re: Tomcat not part of RHEL 8 distro?

[Sean Neeley]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 2:57 PM calder  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 14:43 Sean Neeley  wrote:
>
> > I heard that tomcat is no longer available for RHEL 8.  Does anyone know
> > why this is?  What free alternatives are there for java servlets, which
> > have rpm packages managed by Red Hat?
> >
>
>
> I would fathom a guess that'd be a question for Red Hat?  (as they decide
> what's available for their distro).
> .
> In a pinch, one could download plain vanilla Tomcat and install to "/opt/"
> [1] ... or you could go through the manual pain to install as it would be
> deployed on RHEL 7.x
> .
> [1] We do this
>
> >
>

Thanks.  I know the decision was Red Hat's, but I thought someone here
might know the reason.
I may do what you did and install as it was on RHEL 7.x.  The drawback is
no automatic updates.  Did you package your installation into an rpm that
could be shared?

Re: Tomcat not part of RHEL 8 distro?

[calder]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 14:43 Sean Neeley  wrote:

> I heard that tomcat is no longer available for RHEL 8.  Does anyone know
> why this is?  What free alternatives are there for java servlets, which
> have rpm packages managed by Red Hat?
>


I would fathom a guess that'd be a question for Red Hat?  (as they decide
what's available for their distro).
.
In a pinch, one could download plain vanilla Tomcat and install to "/opt/"
[1] ... or you could go through the manual pain to install as it would be
deployed on RHEL 7.x
.
[1] We do this

>

Tomcat not part of RHEL 8 distro?

[Sean Neeley]

I heard that tomcat is no longer available for RHEL 8.  Does anyone know
why this is?  What free alternatives are there for java servlets, which
have rpm packages managed by Red Hat?  Thanks

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