Re: Best Linux distribution
Hi Steve, CentOs had troubles with Dell blade video card and ACPI functions. Sorry, I can't be more precise because it was quite a time ago. Maybe, the problem was around dell server...isn't it!! Steve Ochani wrote: On 14 Nov 2007 at 22:58, Lionel Crine wrote: another distribution to know. You have some support. Fedora : Well, stable, recent packages CentOS : too many bugs when I was using it (1 year ago). You must be mixing up Fedora and CentOS. CentOS has always been rock solid stable, it's a recompile of Redhat Enterprise Linux. Fedora is a bleeding edge new distro that is not intended for production servers and is often plagued by instability issues, like Fedora 7 was. Last thing, this informations are important only if you are root and have to manage distributions. If not, you don't care. Bye Lionel Andrew Hole wrote: Hi! In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost. Thanks - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
Point taken. We ran a Vax until last year... On Nov 15, 2007 10:52 AM, Steve Ochani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If everyone based their decisions solely on that criteria we would be all using pdp-11s. On 15 Nov 2007 at 6:19, Warren Pace wrote: And that is the correct answer. On Nov 15, 2007 5:54 AM, Peter Crowther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Andrew Hole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? The one with which your organisation already has experience. Familiarity and ease of admin is king here. - Peter - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Ooh, shiny! (was RE: Best Linux distribution)
Unfortunately too many IT teams that I've encountered tend towards the Ooh, shiny new toy! and My server's newer than your server views of the world. Heh heh, shiny new toy syndrome, where would the 'IT business' be without it. comp.lang.java.programmer has some really bilious postings from people who get REALLY upset if you even mention older releases of Java ... can't see why really, maybe it's all a conspiracy to keep the consultants in business. ... now where did I put my Dr Logo manual. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Ooh, shiny! (was RE: Best Linux distribution)
From: Warren Pace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Point taken. We ran a Vax until last year... On Nov 15, 2007 10:52 AM, Steve Ochani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If everyone based their decisions solely on that criteria we would be all using pdp-11s. [...] I think some companies are rather gung-ho about upgrading to the shiniest new kit (and OS) at every opportunity. There's a line to tread between leaving upgrades so long that you can't maintain the system, and upgrading so regularly that there's constant churn and disruption. Unfortunately too many IT teams that I've encountered tend towards the Ooh, shiny new toy! and My server's newer than your server views of the world. - Peter - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best Linux distribution
From: Andrew Hole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? The one with which your organisation already has experience. Familiarity and ease of admin is king here. - Peter - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
And that is the correct answer. On Nov 15, 2007 5:54 AM, Peter Crowther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Andrew Hole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? The one with which your organisation already has experience. Familiarity and ease of admin is king here. - Peter - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
If everyone based their decisions solely on that criteria we would be all using pdp-11s. On 15 Nov 2007 at 6:19, Warren Pace wrote: And that is the correct answer. On Nov 15, 2007 5:54 AM, Peter Crowther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Andrew Hole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? The one with which your organisation already has experience. Familiarity and ease of admin is king here. - Peter - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew, Andrew Hole wrote: In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost. Do you need corporate support? If that's the case, then you should be looking at the quality of the support, since most Linux distros are equally stable, reliable, etc. I personally like Gentoo Linux due to its infinite configurability and package manager. It would probably irritate lots of people since they tend to have updates /very/ frequently and (in standard configuration) everything needs to be compiled for the target machine each time -- you do not typically download binary packages. A friend of mine who works for the US Library of Congress recently implemented Ubuntu on their servers after switching from Gentoo. They preferred the binary packages and reduced update traffic. I'm not entirely sure why they picked Ubuntu (which targets desktop users) over Debian, but I think that Ubuntu might have a lot of customizations that improve deployment. I know that, personally, I would like the opportunity to kick everyone on the apt team in the nuts because that package manager makes my brain turn inside out. :) - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHOzhw9CaO5/Lv0PARAnJkAKCusCZ4Ga5hwPNfW7XBk9irPoZf1wCgo3cs 9a1vq5dY6nGFkgugCq06PVk= =xRtv -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
go for Open Solaris.. www.opensolaris.org Thanks On Nov 14, 2007 11:18 PM, Andrew Hole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost. Thanks - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards Partha Goswami Solaris/Open solaris User Group www.solaris-user-group.org - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
Hi! In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost. CentOS, it's a clone of Redhat Enterprise Linux. Install jdk/jre and tomcat yourself. -Steve O. Thanks - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
Yes, before anyone can tell you which is best, you need to work out for yourself, and tell us, what makes a distro best. Do you want to just pour it into a machine and have everything done for you? Do you chafe at the very notion that someone could know your needs better than you? Do you need someone to talk to when things go wrong? to sue when the answers don't satisfy? Do you have uncommon hardware to support? Will your hardware vendor return your calls if you don't use his preferred distro? do you care? I've run Red Hat, Debian, Suse, and Gentoo, and I'll take Gentoo any day, but I'm a very hands-on, tweak-the-last-cycle-out, do-it-with-a-text-editor-or-don't-do-it sort of sysadmin. There are good reasons to choose any of those, or others, and you have to decide which reasons are yours. -- Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Typically when a software vendor says that a product is intuitive he means the exact opposite. pgpbQROJhdvoJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Best Linux distribution
Hands down this is the best. :) http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/ta/ Andrew Hole wrote: Hi! In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost. Thanks - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Justin Stanczak Stanczak Group 812-735-3600 All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
Mark H. Wood wrote: Yes, before anyone can tell you which is best, you need to work out for yourself, and tell us, what makes a distro best. Do you want to just pour it into a machine and have everything done for you? Yes Do you chafe at the very notion that someone could know your needs better than you? No Do you need someone to talk to when things go wrong? Yes to sue when the answers don't satisfy? For sure, that's a yes. Do you have uncommon hardware to support? Only on Saturday. Will your hardware vendor return your calls if you don't use his preferred distro? No do you care? Yes I've run Red Hat, Debian, Suse, and Gentoo, and I'll take Gentoo any day, but I'm a very hands-on, tweak-the-last-cycle-out, do-it-with-a-text-editor-or-don't-do-it sort of sysadmin. There are good reasons to choose any of those, or others, and you have to decide which reasons are yours. A Conary based distro is always best. All others a second. :) -- Justin Stanczak Stanczak Group 812-735-3600 All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
Repackaged, out-of-date, no no no. Not with Conary. Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: Stanczak Group [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Best Linux distribution Hands down this is the best. :) http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/ta/ Yup, just what everyone needs - another out-of-date, repackaged version of Tomcat... - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Justin Stanczak Stanczak Group 812-735-3600 All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best Linux distribution
Sure to be a dicey question to raise in a public forum. Mostly, I find, it comes to personal preference of what and how you like to manage your servers and apps. We use RHEL for servers running applications covered by service contracts. For everything else (web, applications, development, db, cvs servers) we use CentOS since it's RHEL based and the environment remains consistent. This simplifies ongoing maintenance. We started back with RH 6 and evolved from there. We install bare minimum set of packages, turn off all of the junk you don't need, then install java, build apache, install tomcat, build modules and our apps from there. We have staff that loves Debian; they say it's the only real distribution. We tested our webapps on it and didn't see a difference in performance. We even have one guy who insists on building his own kernels to strip out all of the parts he doesn't need. I don't get it, but it floats his boat. Figure out what features of a distribution are important to you, find ones that best meet your criteria and see how they work for you; everything else is meaningless. If you just want to drop your war into an environment, maybe one of the appliance distributions fits your needs. John -Original Message- From: Caldarale, Charles R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:19 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Best Linux distribution From: Stanczak Group [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Best Linux distribution Hands down this is the best. :) http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/ta/ Yup, just what everyone needs - another out-of-date, repackaged version of Tomcat... - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
Like everyone in here, it depends on what you want to do with your Linux It doesn't matter in which distribution you are running Tomcat and J2EE application. But I surely assure you that you shoudn't use tomcat or java packages from any distribution if you want best customization. My opinion : I was in a company ans we were using Debian, RedHat, Suse, CentOS. Companies prefers Redhat because of the support. Packages are not so up to date. Easy to find suitable rpm. Debian is really stable but no support and old packages unless you use the testing one. Easy to find deb files. Suse, hum, what can I say. YAST is great but it's another distribution to know. You have some support. Fedora : Well, stable, recent packages CentOS : too many bugs when I was using it (1 year ago). Last thing, this informations are important only if you are root and have to manage distributions. If not, you don't care. Bye Lionel Andrew Hole wrote: Hi! In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost. Thanks - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To whom it may concer, Stanczak Group wrote: Repackaged Unclear from the documentation. Unclear from the inside of the VM, too. Nice that it's installed into /usr/lib. Oh, wait, that's not nice at all. out-of-date Clear from the documentation: 4 releases behind (ships with 6.0.10, latest is 6.0.14). , no no no. Not with Conary. Best part of this appliance: Tomcat Appliance 1.0 [web site advertises both v1.3 and v6.0.10: 1.0?] Powered by rPath Linux To administer this appliance, please use a web browser from another system to navigate to https://[DHCP IP Address]:8003/ To access Apache Tomcat, please use a web browser from another system to navigate to http://[DHCP IP Address]:8080/ The default system login is 'root' with no password. localhost login: root Last login: [whatever] [attempted to hit port 8080, connection refused] # cat /var/log/tomcat/catalina.out Error occurred during initialization of VM: java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang.Object Checkmate! :( rm -rf ta-1.3.1-x86 - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHO3Bv9CaO5/Lv0PARAlw4AJ9WSCjZa9xUPxs3Y7w6FKz0SisGTQCfeRIJ EXnookOBLBne1lTFUQ+oZnA= =vuQ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
On 14 Nov 2007 at 22:58, Lionel Crine wrote: another distribution to know. You have some support. Fedora : Well, stable, recent packages CentOS : too many bugs when I was using it (1 year ago). You must be mixing up Fedora and CentOS. CentOS has always been rock solid stable, it's a recompile of Redhat Enterprise Linux. Fedora is a bleeding edge new distro that is not intended for production servers and is often plagued by instability issues, like Fedora 7 was. Last thing, this informations are important only if you are root and have to manage distributions. If not, you don't care. Bye Lionel Andrew Hole wrote: Hi! In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost. Thanks - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Linux distribution
I believe Oracle Corporation has an Oracle Enterprise Linux which you can download for free. They charge you for support however. Ed On 11/14/07, Steve Ochani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Nov 2007 at 22:58, Lionel Crine wrote: another distribution to know. You have some support. Fedora : Well, stable, recent packages CentOS : too many bugs when I was using it (1 year ago). You must be mixing up Fedora and CentOS. CentOS has always been rock solid stable, it's a recompile of Redhat Enterprise Linux. Fedora is a bleeding edge new distro that is not intended for production servers and is often plagued by instability issues, like Fedora 7 was. Last thing, this informations are important only if you are root and have to manage distributions. If not, you don't care. Bye Lionel Andrew Hole wrote: Hi! In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load? An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost. Thanks - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
