RE: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears
-Original Message- From: André Warnier (tomcat) [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:47 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears On 06.07.2017 18:17, Fau Buitron wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: André Warnier (tomcat) [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:04 PM > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > Subject: Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for > Service Username disappears > > Hi. > On this list, it is preferred/recommended/strongly recommended to respond > *below* the original message, and not to "top post". > It just makes it easier to follow the normal flow of a conversation. > See the rules : http://tomcat.apache.org/lists.html#tomcat-users #6 > > >> -Original Message- >> From: André Warnier (tomcat) [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] >> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:35 AM >> To: users@tomcat.apache.org >> Subject: Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for >> Service Username disappears >> >> On 06.07.2017 17:13, Fau Buitron wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>>I am running TOMCAT 8.5.15 on a Windows 7 server with SP1. Although >>> it is not consistent, the password value for the specific username used to >>> run the TOMCAT service disappears when the service is stop and started >>> again. The starting of the service fails because the value of the password >>> disappears. >>> >>>Once the password value is re-entered with the password value, the >>> TOMCAT service starts without any issues, has anyone encountered this issue? >>> >>> I look forward to your response. >>> >>> >> >> Hi. >> I have never seen the behaviour which you describe above, although I >> regularly run Tomcat as a Service on Windows systems, in multiple customer >> networks. >> First, maybe something which you should read : >> https://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/Windows#Q11 >> >> In a way, this explains why the Tomcat code itself is very unlikely to >> contain anything which would modify this Windows user's password. (If >> anything, it would be the "wrapper" >> program described in that article.) >> >> My guess would be at this point : if the user-id in question is a Windows >> Domain user-id, then mybe some Windows network policy is the cause of this >> password reset. >> Ask your Windows network sysadmins. >> >> Hope this helps. >> > On 06.07.2017 17:48, Fau Buitron wrote: >> Hi Andre, >> >>Thank you for your response and feedback. I had reached out to our >> windows support group only to be told that it must be caused by the third >> party product. >> What's worse is that all installations of TOMCAT (Stage and Production) >> encounter the same behavior when the service itself it stopped. >> >>I was reaching out to the TOMCAT user community in the event that >> there might be a permission that needs to be granted to a file in which the >> service account Username and password might need to be entered. >> >>So I am once again at square one, however, I will follow your suggestion >> and reach out to the networking group to see if they can shed light on this >> situation. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Fau >> > > Another suggestion : if you have read the article to which I pointed you, you > will see that the "wrapper" program which actually runs the JVM which runs > Tomcat, actually stores its parameters in the Windows Registry. > It is the same for the userid/password which you enter in the service > description. > So maybe it is not an issue linked to Tomcat per se, but instead due to the > fact that by entering this password, you are modifying the Registry. > And perhaps there is some network script which regularly removes such > changes, when made by a user who does not have the correct permissions to do > so ? > It may thus be that it is not the Tomcat start/stop per se which resets this > password, but that this happens asynchronously, and that you just notice it > when you are trying to restart Tomcat. > > You could try the following experiment : > - set the password for that user, start Tomcat as usual, and leave it > running > - then, after a suitable pause, try to login to that same workstation, as > this Tomcat user, using the same password which you set. > If it does not work, then you know that it has nothing to do with stopping > Tomcat. > &g
Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears
On 06.07.2017 18:17, Fau Buitron wrote: -Original Message- From: André Warnier (tomcat) [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:04 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears Hi. On this list, it is preferred/recommended/strongly recommended to respond *below* the original message, and not to "top post". It just makes it easier to follow the normal flow of a conversation. See the rules : http://tomcat.apache.org/lists.html#tomcat-users #6 > -Original Message- From: André Warnier (tomcat) [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:35 AM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears On 06.07.2017 17:13, Fau Buitron wrote: Hi All, I am running TOMCAT 8.5.15 on a Windows 7 server with SP1. Although it is not consistent, the password value for the specific username used to run the TOMCAT service disappears when the service is stop and started again. The starting of the service fails because the value of the password disappears. Once the password value is re-entered with the password value, the TOMCAT service starts without any issues, has anyone encountered this issue? I look forward to your response. Hi. I have never seen the behaviour which you describe above, although I regularly run Tomcat as a Service on Windows systems, in multiple customer networks. First, maybe something which you should read : https://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/Windows#Q11 In a way, this explains why the Tomcat code itself is very unlikely to contain anything which would modify this Windows user's password. (If anything, it would be the "wrapper" program described in that article.) My guess would be at this point : if the user-id in question is a Windows Domain user-id, then mybe some Windows network policy is the cause of this password reset. Ask your Windows network sysadmins. Hope this helps. On 06.07.2017 17:48, Fau Buitron wrote: Hi Andre, Thank you for your response and feedback. I had reached out to our windows support group only to be told that it must be caused by the third party product. What's worse is that all installations of TOMCAT (Stage and Production) encounter the same behavior when the service itself it stopped. I was reaching out to the TOMCAT user community in the event that there might be a permission that needs to be granted to a file in which the service account Username and password might need to be entered. So I am once again at square one, however, I will follow your suggestion and reach out to the networking group to see if they can shed light on this situation. Thank you. Fau Another suggestion : if you have read the article to which I pointed you, you will see that the "wrapper" program which actually runs the JVM which runs Tomcat, actually stores its parameters in the Windows Registry. It is the same for the userid/password which you enter in the service description. So maybe it is not an issue linked to Tomcat per se, but instead due to the fact that by entering this password, you are modifying the Registry. And perhaps there is some network script which regularly removes such changes, when made by a user who does not have the correct permissions to do so ? It may thus be that it is not the Tomcat start/stop per se which resets this password, but that this happens asynchronously, and that you just notice it when you are trying to restart Tomcat. You could try the following experiment : - set the password for that user, start Tomcat as usual, and leave it running - then, after a suitable pause, try to login to that same workstation, as this Tomcat user, using the same password which you set. If it does not work, then you know that it has nothing to do with stopping Tomcat. Hi Andre, The experiment that you described is exactly what is occurring, except it is not a TOMCAT user, as it is the actual username and password which is used to run the TOMCAT service itself. Yes, that is what I meant. I meant "use the user-id/password that you have configured for the Tomcat Service, to actually try to login (interactively) to Windows on that machine." The TOMCAT service runs, but if the TOMCAT service is stopped (does not occur at all instances), the password field for the user is no longer present and needs to be re-entered. I could do a search within the registry, however the value for the password will more like be encrypted, as it appears within the password field of the service logon tab, so is the value of the password really present? Indeed it may not be, if this is a domain user, as you seem to indicate below. Which triggers another question : can you not define a local user on this machine, and use that one to run Tomcat ? Or, can you not use t
RE: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears
-Original Message- From: André Warnier (tomcat) [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:04 PM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears Hi. On this list, it is preferred/recommended/strongly recommended to respond *below* the original message, and not to "top post". It just makes it easier to follow the normal flow of a conversation. See the rules : http://tomcat.apache.org/lists.html#tomcat-users #6 > > -Original Message- > From: André Warnier (tomcat) [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:35 AM > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > Subject: Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for > Service Username disappears > > On 06.07.2017 17:13, Fau Buitron wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I am running TOMCAT 8.5.15 on a Windows 7 server with SP1. Although it >> is not consistent, the password value for the specific username used to run >> the TOMCAT service disappears when the service is stop and started again. >> The starting of the service fails because the value of the password >> disappears. >> >> Once the password value is re-entered with the password value, the >> TOMCAT service starts without any issues, has anyone encountered this issue? >> >>I look forward to your response. >> >> > > Hi. > I have never seen the behaviour which you describe above, although I > regularly run Tomcat as a Service on Windows systems, in multiple customer > networks. > First, maybe something which you should read : > https://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/Windows#Q11 > > In a way, this explains why the Tomcat code itself is very unlikely to > contain anything which would modify this Windows user's password. (If > anything, it would be the "wrapper" > program described in that article.) > > My guess would be at this point : if the user-id in question is a Windows > Domain user-id, then mybe some Windows network policy is the cause of this > password reset. > Ask your Windows network sysadmins. > > Hope this helps. > On 06.07.2017 17:48, Fau Buitron wrote: > Hi Andre, > > Thank you for your response and feedback. I had reached out to our windows > support group only to be told that it must be caused by the third party > product. > What's worse is that all installations of TOMCAT (Stage and Production) > encounter the same behavior when the service itself it stopped. > > I was reaching out to the TOMCAT user community in the event that > there might be a permission that needs to be granted to a file in which the > service account Username and password might need to be entered. > > So I am once again at square one, however, I will follow your suggestion > and reach out to the networking group to see if they can shed light on this > situation. > > Thank you. > > Fau > Another suggestion : if you have read the article to which I pointed you, you will see that the "wrapper" program which actually runs the JVM which runs Tomcat, actually stores its parameters in the Windows Registry. It is the same for the userid/password which you enter in the service description. So maybe it is not an issue linked to Tomcat per se, but instead due to the fact that by entering this password, you are modifying the Registry. And perhaps there is some network script which regularly removes such changes, when made by a user who does not have the correct permissions to do so ? It may thus be that it is not the Tomcat start/stop per se which resets this password, but that this happens asynchronously, and that you just notice it when you are trying to restart Tomcat. You could try the following experiment : - set the password for that user, start Tomcat as usual, and leave it running - then, after a suitable pause, try to login to that same workstation, as this Tomcat user, using the same password which you set. If it does not work, then you know that it has nothing to do with stopping Tomcat. Hi Andre, The experiment that you described is exactly what is occurring, except it is not a TOMCAT user, as it is the actual username and password which is used to run the TOMCAT service itself. The TOMCAT service runs, but if the TOMCAT service is stopped (does not occur at all instances), the password field for the user is no longer present and needs to be re-entered. I could do a search within the registry, however the value for the password will more like be encrypted, as it appears within the password field of the service logon tab, so is the value of the password really present? I am reaching out to the security group to determine if the AD username has similar properties as other service acc
Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears
Hi. On this list, it is preferred/recommended/strongly recommended to respond *below* the original message, and not to "top post". It just makes it easier to follow the normal flow of a conversation. See the rules : http://tomcat.apache.org/lists.html#tomcat-users #6 > -Original Message- From: André Warnier (tomcat) [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:35 AM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears On 06.07.2017 17:13, Fau Buitron wrote: Hi All, I am running TOMCAT 8.5.15 on a Windows 7 server with SP1. Although it is not consistent, the password value for the specific username used to run the TOMCAT service disappears when the service is stop and started again. The starting of the service fails because the value of the password disappears. Once the password value is re-entered with the password value, the TOMCAT service starts without any issues, has anyone encountered this issue? I look forward to your response. Hi. I have never seen the behaviour which you describe above, although I regularly run Tomcat as a Service on Windows systems, in multiple customer networks. First, maybe something which you should read : https://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/Windows#Q11 In a way, this explains why the Tomcat code itself is very unlikely to contain anything which would modify this Windows user's password. (If anything, it would be the "wrapper" program described in that article.) My guess would be at this point : if the user-id in question is a Windows Domain user-id, then mybe some Windows network policy is the cause of this password reset. Ask your Windows network sysadmins. Hope this helps. On 06.07.2017 17:48, Fau Buitron wrote: Hi Andre, Thank you for your response and feedback. I had reached out to our windows support group only to be told that it must be caused by the third party product. What's worse is that all installations of TOMCAT (Stage and Production) encounter the same behavior when the service itself it stopped. I was reaching out to the TOMCAT user community in the event that there might be a permission that needs to be granted to a file in which the service account Username and password might need to be entered. So I am once again at square one, however, I will follow your suggestion and reach out to the networking group to see if they can shed light on this situation. Thank you. Fau Another suggestion : if you have read the article to which I pointed you, you will see that the "wrapper" program which actually runs the JVM which runs Tomcat, actually stores its parameters in the Windows Registry. It is the same for the userid/password which you enter in the service description. So maybe it is not an issue linked to Tomcat per se, but instead due to the fact that by entering this password, you are modifying the Registry. And perhaps there is some network script which regularly removes such changes, when made by a user who does not have the correct permissions to do so ? It may thus be that it is not the Tomcat start/stop per se which resets this password, but that this happens asynchronously, and that you just notice it when you are trying to restart Tomcat. You could try the following experiment : - set the password for that user, start Tomcat as usual, and leave it running - then, after a suitable pause, try to login to that same workstation, as this Tomcat user, using the same password which you set. If it does not work, then you know that it has nothing to do with stopping Tomcat. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears
Hi Andre, Thank you for your response and feedback. I had reached out to our windows support group only to be told that it must be caused by the third party product. What's worse is that all installations of TOMCAT (Stage and Production) encounter the same behavior when the service itself it stopped. I was reaching out to the TOMCAT user community in the event that there might be a permission that needs to be granted to a file in which the service account Username and password might need to be entered. So I am once again at square one, however, I will follow your suggestion and reach out to the networking group to see if they can shed light on this situation. Thank you. Fau -Original Message- From: André Warnier (tomcat) [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:35 AM To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears On 06.07.2017 17:13, Fau Buitron wrote: > Hi All, > > I am running TOMCAT 8.5.15 on a Windows 7 server with SP1. Although it > is not consistent, the password value for the specific username used to run > the TOMCAT service disappears when the service is stop and started again. The > starting of the service fails because the value of the password disappears. > > Once the password value is re-entered with the password value, the > TOMCAT service starts without any issues, has anyone encountered this issue? > > I look forward to your response. > > Hi. I have never seen the behaviour which you describe above, although I regularly run Tomcat as a Service on Windows systems, in multiple customer networks. First, maybe something which you should read : https://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/Windows#Q11 In a way, this explains why the Tomcat code itself is very unlikely to contain anything which would modify this Windows user's password. (If anything, it would be the "wrapper" program described in that article.) My guess would be at this point : if the user-id in question is a Windows Domain user-id, then mybe some Windows network policy is the cause of this password reset. Ask your Windows network sysadmins. Hope this helps. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears
On 06.07.2017 17:13, Fau Buitron wrote: Hi All, I am running TOMCAT 8.5.15 on a Windows 7 server with SP1. Although it is not consistent, the password value for the specific username used to run the TOMCAT service disappears when the service is stop and started again. The starting of the service fails because the value of the password disappears. Once the password value is re-entered with the password value, the TOMCAT service starts without any issues, has anyone encountered this issue? I look forward to your response. Hi. I have never seen the behaviour which you describe above, although I regularly run Tomcat as a Service on Windows systems, in multiple customer networks. First, maybe something which you should read : https://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/Windows#Q11 In a way, this explains why the Tomcat code itself is very unlikely to contain anything which would modify this Windows user's password. (If anything, it would be the "wrapper" program described in that article.) My guess would be at this point : if the user-id in question is a Windows Domain user-id, then mybe some Windows network policy is the cause of this password reset. Ask your Windows network sysadmins. Hope this helps. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
TOMCAT 8.5.15 - on windows 7 server - Password for Service Username disappears
Hi All, I am running TOMCAT 8.5.15 on a Windows 7 server with SP1. Although it is not consistent, the password value for the specific username used to run the TOMCAT service disappears when the service is stop and started again. The starting of the service fails because the value of the password disappears. Once the password value is re-entered with the password value, the TOMCAT service starts without any issues, has anyone encountered this issue? I look forward to your response. Thank you Regards, Fau Buitron Production Operations Analyst Cotiviti -Wilton- Production Operations RCA Office: 203-642-5179 Mobile: 475-229-7913 fau.buit...@cotiviti.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
