Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Josh Kamau]

As a motivation  everyone or probably top donnors could have their
names somewhere on the book ;)

j

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Sebastien  wrote:

> +1 too
>
> About the found raising, maybe could it be a book project in My Major
> Company or Kickstarter for instance...
>
> Regards,
> Sebastien.
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Josh Kamau  wrote:
>
> > What if the developers donate (or do a fund raising... ) to fund the
> > writing of the book?
> >
> > We could set a budget ... then start pledging for the same.. when the
> > pledge amount is enough, we pay and the work begins.
> >
> > Then we get the book for free . or something like that.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Michael Mosmann  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:
> > >
> > >  On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
> >  a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
> > 
> > >>> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?
> > >>>
> > >> i can only speak for myself,
> > >>
> > >> define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
> > >> not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
> > >> easily accessible resource.
> > >>
> > > same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)
> > >
> > >  I don't know the authors
> > >>> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it
> could
> > >>> very
> > >>> well be another reason altogether.
> > >>>
> > >> writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
> > >> much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
> > >> actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
> > >> me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
> > >> more if the book had more pages :/
> > >>
> > > I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The
> > > publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more
> > > strict than some one may think.
> > >
> > >
> > >> the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
> > >> least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.
> > >>
> > >> -igor
> > >>
> > > same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:)
> > > maybe i am a fool:)
> > >
> > > Michael:)
> > >
> > >
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Sebastien]

+1 too

About the found raising, maybe could it be a book project in My Major
Company or Kickstarter for instance...

Regards,
Sebastien.

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Josh Kamau  wrote:

> What if the developers donate (or do a fund raising... ) to fund the
> writing of the book?
>
> We could set a budget ... then start pledging for the same.. when the
> pledge amount is enough, we pay and the work begins.
>
> Then we get the book for free . or something like that.
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Michael Mosmann  >wrote:
>
> > Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:
> >
> >  On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
>  a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
> 
> >>> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?
> >>>
> >> i can only speak for myself,
> >>
> >> define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
> >> not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
> >> easily accessible resource.
> >>
> > same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)
> >
> >  I don't know the authors
> >>> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could
> >>> very
> >>> well be another reason altogether.
> >>>
> >> writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
> >> much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
> >> actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
> >> me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
> >> more if the book had more pages :/
> >>
> > I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The
> > publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more
> > strict than some one may think.
> >
> >
> >> the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
> >> least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.
> >>
> >> -igor
> >>
> > same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:)
> > maybe i am a fool:)
> >
> > Michael:)
> >
> >
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Stefan Moises]

+1 :)

Cheers,
Stefan
Am 27.07.2012 09:27, schrieb Josh Kamau:

What if the developers donate (or do a fund raising... ) to fund the
writing of the book?

We could set a budget ... then start pledging for the same.. when the
pledge amount is enough, we pay and the work begins.

Then we get the book for free . or something like that.

Josh

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Michael Mosmann wrote:


Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:

  On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet

 wrote:


Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing

a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/


Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?


i can only speak for myself,

define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
easily accessible resource.


same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)

  I don't know the authors

personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could
very
well be another reason altogether.


writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
more if the book had more pages :/


I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The
publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more
strict than some one may think.



the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.

-igor


same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:)
maybe i am a fool:)

Michael:)


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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Josh Kamau]

What if the developers donate (or do a fund raising... ) to fund the
writing of the book?

We could set a budget ... then start pledging for the same.. when the
pledge amount is enough, we pay and the work begins.

Then we get the book for free . or something like that.

Josh

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Michael Mosmann wrote:

> Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:
>
>  On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
 a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/

>>> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?
>>>
>> i can only speak for myself,
>>
>> define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
>> not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
>> easily accessible resource.
>>
> same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)
>
>  I don't know the authors
>>> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could
>>> very
>>> well be another reason altogether.
>>>
>> writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
>> much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
>> actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
>> me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
>> more if the book had more pages :/
>>
> I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The
> publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more
> strict than some one may think.
>
>
>> the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
>> least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.
>>
>> -igor
>>
> same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:)
> maybe i am a fool:)
>
> Michael:)
>
>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Michael Mosmann]

Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
 wrote:

Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/

Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?

i can only speak for myself,

define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
easily accessible resource.

same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)

I don't know the authors
personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could very
well be another reason altogether.

writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
more if the book had more pages :/
I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The 
publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more 
strict than some one may think.


the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.

-igor
same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:) 
maybe i am a fool:)


Michael:)

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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Bertrand Guay-Paquet]

writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much 
much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was 
actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted 
me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge 
more if the book had more pages :/ the combination of those two things 
has burned me out somewhat. at least enough to make me want to go play 
with other things for a while. -igor 
Well thanks for your book (and all your other work as well)! I hope you 
have fun with these other things and perhaps someday your interest for 
Wicket will be rekindled! :)


Cheers,
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Igor Vaynberg]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
 wrote:
>
>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
>> a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
>
> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?

i can only speak for myself,

define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
easily accessible resource.

> I don't know the authors
> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could very
> well be another reason altogether.

writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
more if the book had more pages :/

the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.

-igor

>
>> Here is what I suggest: create a page in Wiki that lists the more
>> interesting topics. Then we (the people who know more about Wicket
>> internals) will try to fill the gaps by creating a separate Wiki page
>> for each topic, slowly, one at a time, without the pressure of the
>> publishers, etc. This way hopefully the community can help too by
>> keeping them up-to-date.
>
> This seems to me like a good approach. Perhaps a good starting point would
> be the table of contents of Wicket in Action.
>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Bertrand Guay-Paquet]

Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
Is this because the books didn't sell well enough? I don't know the 
authors personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so 
it could very well be another reason altogether.

Here is what I suggest: create a page in Wiki that lists the more
interesting topics. Then we (the people who know more about Wicket
internals) will try to fill the gaps by creating a separate Wiki page
for each topic, slowly, one at a time, without the pressure of the
publishers, etc. This way hopefully the community can help too by
keeping them up-to-date.
This seems to me like a good approach. Perhaps a good starting point 
would be the table of contents of Wicket in Action.


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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Martin Grigorov]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:08 AM, mlabs  wrote:
> I'm all for improving the javadocs... oh yes... but in my experience with
> javadocs, the context is too limited.. to the class or interface in
> question.. there is rarely the more important 'bigger picture' information
> that you need as a developer diving into something new...
> Wicket is a fantastic framework .. it encapsulates so much ... but in doing
> that, it hides so much...
> I have been using tit for a couple of years now...
> The initial learning path is easy .. (by design)
> But we eventually need to step outside of the box... and that's where the
> encapsulation bites most of us...
> Ajax... jQuery... Response cycles, page caching.
> We need to know how it all works and yes we have the source code... but...
> Back to my initial request...
>
> Wicket Internals... 
>
> :)

Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/

Here is what I suggest: create a page in Wiki that lists the more
interesting topics. Then we (the people who know more about Wicket
internals) will try to fill the gaps by creating a separate Wiki page
for each topic, slowly, one at a time, without the pressure of the
publishers, etc. This way hopefully the community can help too by
keeping them up-to-date.

P.S. I still wait for your javadoc Pull Requests.

>
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RE: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[mlabs]

I'm all for improving the javadocs... oh yes... but in my experience with
javadocs, the context is too limited.. to the class or interface in
question.. there is rarely the more important 'bigger picture' information
that you need as a developer diving into something new... 
Wicket is a fantastic framework .. it encapsulates so much ... but in doing
that, it hides so much... 
I have been using tit for a couple of years now...
The initial learning path is easy .. (by design)
But we eventually need to step outside of the box... and that's where the
encapsulation bites most of us...
Ajax... jQuery... Response cycles, page caching.
We need to know how it all works and yes we have the source code... but... 
Back to my initial request...

Wicket Internals... 

:)



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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Martin Grigorov]

If it is just a patch for the javadocs then you may skip Jira.
No need to explain the same in several tools. It should be easy for
you to contribute.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
 wrote:
> Hi Martin (and other devs),
>
> Must a Jira issue accompany each pull request? Also, is it ok to use a
> feature branch (based on the snapshot branch) for the pull request?
>
> Bertrand
>
>
> On 23/07/2012 3:15 AM, Martin Grigorov wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You can create tickets in our Jira with attached patches if you don't
>> know how to use GitHub or you don't want to use it.
>>
>> If you want to try GitHub:
>> 1) create an account at GitHub (https://github.com/)
>> 2) go to https://github.com/apache/wicket and click the "Fork" button
>> 3) clone the fork locally: git clone
>> https://github.com/MY_ACCOUNT/wicket.git (replace MY_ACCIUNT with your
>> real username.)
>> 4) make your improvements in the code
>> 5) git commit
>> 6) git push
>> 7) go to https://github.com/MY_ACCOUNT/wicket and press the "Pull
>> Request" button
>>
>> That's it.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Paul Bors  wrote:
>>>
>>> I second improving the current code documentation as I recently migrated
>>> a
>>> mid-size project to Wicket 1.5.7 from 1.3.7 and I've notice myself having
>>> to
>>> dig into the framework implementation more often than normal because of
>>> the
>>> weak or at times wrong JavaDocs.
>>>
>>> I won't mind submitting small patches if someone would point the way.
>>> Last I
>>> asked I was told to submit a push via git hub. Is there a wiki page on
>>> how
>>> to submit such code changes patches to a wicket branch?
>>>
>>> At the same time I do feel that a book explaining the inner works of
>>> Wicket
>>> will also benefit everyone to better understand the framework faster and
>>> be
>>> able to contribute as needed. I remember couple of years ago when I first
>>> started working with Wicket and how lost I was until after I read two
>>> books
>>> on the subject just to learn how to use it.
>>>
>>> That's my 2 cents :)
>>>
>>> ~ Thank you,
>>>p...@bors.ws
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: snekse [mailto:sne...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:23 PM
>>> To: users@wicket.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: I think it's time for a new book Igor and Co ?
>>>
>>> Putting in my 2 cents.
>>>
>>> I'd rather see more people put in time and effort to submit patches for
>>> documentation that would reduce the need to dig into the guts of Wicket.
>>>
>>> Now that I'm more familiar with Wicket, I'll try to start doing this.  I
>>> hope others will too.
>>> On Jul 22, 2012 10:55 AM, "Michael Mosmann"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would put the bell on the cat .. but maybe someone would join..
>>>>
>>>> Mm:)
>>>> --
>>>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail
>>>> gesendet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Igor Vaynberg  schrieb:
>>>>
>>>> lol. my thoughts exactly :)
>>>>
>>>> -igor
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Josh Kamau 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Who will bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_cat>; the cat ?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann
>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Had the same idea...
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>>>>>> gesendet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mlabs  schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
>>>>>> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
>>>>>> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
>>>>>> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>

Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Bertrand Guay-Paquet]

Hi Martin (and other devs),

Must a Jira issue accompany each pull request? Also, is it ok to use a 
feature branch (based on the snapshot branch) for the pull request?


Bertrand

On 23/07/2012 3:15 AM, Martin Grigorov wrote:

Hi,

You can create tickets in our Jira with attached patches if you don't
know how to use GitHub or you don't want to use it.

If you want to try GitHub:
1) create an account at GitHub (https://github.com/)
2) go to https://github.com/apache/wicket and click the "Fork" button
3) clone the fork locally: git clone
https://github.com/MY_ACCOUNT/wicket.git (replace MY_ACCIUNT with your
real username.)
4) make your improvements in the code
5) git commit
6) git push
7) go to https://github.com/MY_ACCOUNT/wicket and press the "Pull
Request" button

That's it.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Paul Bors  wrote:

I second improving the current code documentation as I recently migrated a
mid-size project to Wicket 1.5.7 from 1.3.7 and I've notice myself having to
dig into the framework implementation more often than normal because of the
weak or at times wrong JavaDocs.

I won't mind submitting small patches if someone would point the way. Last I
asked I was told to submit a push via git hub. Is there a wiki page on how
to submit such code changes patches to a wicket branch?

At the same time I do feel that a book explaining the inner works of Wicket
will also benefit everyone to better understand the framework faster and be
able to contribute as needed. I remember couple of years ago when I first
started working with Wicket and how lost I was until after I read two books
on the subject just to learn how to use it.

That's my 2 cents :)

~ Thank you,
   p...@bors.ws

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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:23 PM
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Re: I think it's time for a new book Igor and Co ?

Putting in my 2 cents.

I'd rather see more people put in time and effort to submit patches for
documentation that would reduce the need to dig into the guts of Wicket.

Now that I'm more familiar with Wicket, I'll try to start doing this.  I
hope others will too.
On Jul 22, 2012 10:55 AM, "Michael Mosmann"  wrote:


I would put the bell on the cat .. but maybe someone would join..

Mm:)
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Igor Vaynberg  schrieb:

lol. my thoughts exactly :)

-igor

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Josh Kamau 
wrote:

Who will bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_cat>; the cat ?

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann

Had the same idea...
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mlabs  schrieb:

The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...

TIA



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RE: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Paul Bors]

Thanks Martin,

That's quite helpful, I'll sign up today :)

~ Thank you,
  Paul Bors

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Subject: Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

Hi,

You can create tickets in our Jira with attached patches if you don't know how 
to use GitHub or you don't want to use it.

If you want to try GitHub:
1) create an account at GitHub (https://github.com/)
2) go to https://github.com/apache/wicket and click the "Fork" button
3) clone the fork locally: git clone
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username.)
4) make your improvements in the code
5) git commit
6) git push
7) go to https://github.com/MY_ACCOUNT/wicket and press the "Pull Request" 
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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Paul Bors  wrote:
> I second improving the current code documentation as I recently 
> migrated a mid-size project to Wicket 1.5.7 from 1.3.7 and I've notice 
> myself having to dig into the framework implementation more often than 
> normal because of the weak or at times wrong JavaDocs.
>
> I won't mind submitting small patches if someone would point the way. 
> Last I asked I was told to submit a push via git hub. Is there a wiki 
> page on how to submit such code changes patches to a wicket branch?
>
> At the same time I do feel that a book explaining the inner works of 
> Wicket will also benefit everyone to better understand the framework 
> faster and be able to contribute as needed. I remember couple of years 
> ago when I first started working with Wicket and how lost I was until 
> after I read two books on the subject just to learn how to use it.
>
> That's my 2 cents :)
>
> ~ Thank you,
>   p...@bors.ws
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: snekse [mailto:sne...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:23 PM
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Re: I think it's time for a new book Igor and Co ?
>
> Putting in my 2 cents.
>
> I'd rather see more people put in time and effort to submit patches 
> for documentation that would reduce the need to dig into the guts of Wicket.
>
> Now that I'm more familiar with Wicket, I'll try to start doing this.  
> I hope others will too.
> On Jul 22, 2012 10:55 AM, "Michael Mosmann"  wrote:
>
>> I would put the bell on the cat .. but maybe someone would join..
>>
>> Mm:)
>> --
>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail 
>> gesendet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Igor Vaynberg  schrieb:
>>
>> lol. my thoughts exactly :)
>>
>> -igor
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Josh Kamau 
>> wrote:
>> > Who will bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_cat>; the cat ?
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann 
>> >> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Had the same idea...
>> >> --
>> >> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail 
>> >> gesendet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mlabs  schrieb:
>> >>
>> >> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
>> >> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
>> >> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
>> >> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
>> >>
>> >> TIA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/I-think-it-s-time-for-a-ne
>> w
>> -book-Igor-and-Co-tp4650687.html
>> >> Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Martin Grigorov]

Hi,

You can create tickets in our Jira with attached patches if you don't
know how to use GitHub or you don't want to use it.

If you want to try GitHub:
1) create an account at GitHub (https://github.com/)
2) go to https://github.com/apache/wicket and click the "Fork" button
3) clone the fork locally: git clone
https://github.com/MY_ACCOUNT/wicket.git (replace MY_ACCIUNT with your
real username.)
4) make your improvements in the code
5) git commit
6) git push
7) go to https://github.com/MY_ACCOUNT/wicket and press the "Pull
Request" button

That's it.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Paul Bors  wrote:
> I second improving the current code documentation as I recently migrated a
> mid-size project to Wicket 1.5.7 from 1.3.7 and I've notice myself having to
> dig into the framework implementation more often than normal because of the
> weak or at times wrong JavaDocs.
>
> I won't mind submitting small patches if someone would point the way. Last I
> asked I was told to submit a push via git hub. Is there a wiki page on how
> to submit such code changes patches to a wicket branch?
>
> At the same time I do feel that a book explaining the inner works of Wicket
> will also benefit everyone to better understand the framework faster and be
> able to contribute as needed. I remember couple of years ago when I first
> started working with Wicket and how lost I was until after I read two books
> on the subject just to learn how to use it.
>
> That's my 2 cents :)
>
> ~ Thank you,
>   p...@bors.ws
>
> -Original Message-
> From: snekse [mailto:sne...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:23 PM
> To: users@wicket.apache.org
> Subject: Re: I think it's time for a new book Igor and Co ?
>
> Putting in my 2 cents.
>
> I'd rather see more people put in time and effort to submit patches for
> documentation that would reduce the need to dig into the guts of Wicket.
>
> Now that I'm more familiar with Wicket, I'll try to start doing this.  I
> hope others will too.
> On Jul 22, 2012 10:55 AM, "Michael Mosmann"  wrote:
>
>> I would put the bell on the cat .. but maybe someone would join..
>>
>> Mm:)
>> --
>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail
>> gesendet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Igor Vaynberg  schrieb:
>>
>> lol. my thoughts exactly :)
>>
>> -igor
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Josh Kamau 
>> wrote:
>> > Who will bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_cat>; the cat ?
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann
>> >> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Had the same idea...
>> >> --
>> >> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail
>> >> gesendet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mlabs  schrieb:
>> >>
>> >> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
>> >> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
>> >> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
>> >> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
>> >>
>> >> TIA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/I-think-it-s-time-for-a-new
>> -book-Igor-and-Co-tp4650687.html
>> >> Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
>> >>_
>>
>> >>
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RE: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Paul Bors]

I second improving the current code documentation as I recently migrated a
mid-size project to Wicket 1.5.7 from 1.3.7 and I've notice myself having to
dig into the framework implementation more often than normal because of the
weak or at times wrong JavaDocs.

I won't mind submitting small patches if someone would point the way. Last I
asked I was told to submit a push via git hub. Is there a wiki page on how
to submit such code changes patches to a wicket branch?

At the same time I do feel that a book explaining the inner works of Wicket
will also benefit everyone to better understand the framework faster and be
able to contribute as needed. I remember couple of years ago when I first
started working with Wicket and how lost I was until after I read two books
on the subject just to learn how to use it.

That's my 2 cents :)

~ Thank you,
  p...@bors.ws

-Original Message-
From: snekse [mailto:sne...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:23 PM
To: users@wicket.apache.org
Subject: Re: I think it's time for a new book Igor and Co ?

Putting in my 2 cents.

I'd rather see more people put in time and effort to submit patches for
documentation that would reduce the need to dig into the guts of Wicket.

Now that I'm more familiar with Wicket, I'll try to start doing this.  I
hope others will too.
On Jul 22, 2012 10:55 AM, "Michael Mosmann"  wrote:

> I would put the bell on the cat .. but maybe someone would join..
>
> Mm:)
> --
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail 
> gesendet.
>
>
>
> Igor Vaynberg  schrieb:
>
> lol. my thoughts exactly :)
>
> -igor
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Josh Kamau 
> wrote:
> > Who will bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_cat>; the cat ?
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann 
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> Had the same idea...
> >> --
> >> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail 
> >> gesendet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mlabs  schrieb:
> >>
> >> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
> >> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
> >> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
> >> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
> >>
> >> TIA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/I-think-it-s-time-for-a-new
> -book-Igor-and-Co-tp4650687.html
> >> Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>_
>
> >>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[snekse]

Putting in my 2 cents.

I'd rather see more people put in time and effort to submit patches for
documentation that would reduce the need to dig into the guts of Wicket.

Now that I'm more familiar with Wicket, I'll try to start doing this.  I
hope others will too.
On Jul 22, 2012 10:55 AM, "Michael Mosmann"  wrote:

> I would put the bell on the cat .. but maybe someone would join..
>
> Mm:)
> --
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail
> gesendet.
>
>
>
> Igor Vaynberg  schrieb:
>
> lol. my thoughts exactly :)
>
> -igor
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Josh Kamau 
> wrote:
> > Who will bell ; the cat ?
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann  >wrote:
> >
> >> Had the same idea...
> >> --
> >> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail
> >> gesendet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mlabs  schrieb:
> >>
> >> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
> >> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
> >> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
> >> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
> >>
> >> TIA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/I-think-it-s-time-for-a-new-book-Igor-and-Co-tp4650687.html
> >> Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >>_
>
> >>
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> >>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Michael Mosmann]

I would put the bell on the cat .. but maybe someone would join..

Mm:)
--
Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.



Igor Vaynberg  schrieb:

lol. my thoughts exactly :)

-igor

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Josh Kamau  wrote:
> Who will bell ; the cat ?
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann wrote:
>
>> Had the same idea...
>> --
>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail
>> gesendet.
>>
>>
>>
>> mlabs  schrieb:
>>
>> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
>> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
>> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
>> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/I-think-it-s-time-for-a-new-book-Igor-and-Co-tp4650687.html
>> Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>_

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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Igor Vaynberg]

lol. my thoughts exactly :)

-igor

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Josh Kamau  wrote:
> Who will bell  the cat ?
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann wrote:
>
>> Had the same idea...
>> --
>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail
>> gesendet.
>>
>>
>>
>> mlabs  schrieb:
>>
>> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
>> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
>> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
>> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/I-think-it-s-time-for-a-new-book-Igor-and-Co-tp4650687.html
>> Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Josh Kamau]

Who will bell  the cat ?

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann wrote:

> Had the same idea...
> --
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail
> gesendet.
>
>
>
> mlabs  schrieb:
>
> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://apache-wicket.1842946.n4.nabble.com/I-think-it-s-time-for-a-new-book-Igor-and-Co-tp4650687.html
> Sent from the Users forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[Michael Mosmann]

Had the same idea...
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mlabs  schrieb:

The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach
The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...

TIA



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I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?

[mlabs]

The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ... 
Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach 
The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...

TIA



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