RE: Wicket and jQuery UI
Dear all, Wiquery offers a wide range of Behaviors in order to make components Draggable. There are a few Components which demand a certain type of tag to be used. We have experienced that the more flexible you make your API the more dumb questions people ask and the less they use it. Apparently they expect a magic library which can be included and read peoples minds :) Posts like are imo very constructive and do keep us sharp. Thanks for that. Hielke From: Sebastien [seb...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 October 2012 19:28 To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket and jQuery UI Hi, I will provide an answer for wicket-jquery-ui and let people/users from wiQuery answer about this last. wicket-jquery-ui has several goals: the first one is to provide the jQuery UI widget library as Wicket components, for both wicket 1.5.x and wicket 6.x. The work has mainly been focused to provide Wicket jQuery UI components having (I hope) the same philosophy/logic as Wicket's built-in ones, so the user deals with these components the same manner he usually deals with the Wicket ones. This is the most important point IMO. In addition, it provides - as Sebastien said - pure Behavior to allow users to use it either directly or embed it in other components. The advantage of using a Component versus a Behavior is that the Component can offers some events handling (ajax, naturally). To answer Pointbreak, a Draggable - for instance - is a Component for this specific reason, to be able to broadcast events (using latest Wicket event mechanism) either to itself (most common case for components) or to a Droppable object. It would have been really much difficult to understand the event logic if only a Behavior would have been supplied. For the Accordion, I did not provide the associated Behavior because it straightforward to add it (as many others, but it is probably not clear enough): add(new JQueryBehavior(#myId, accordion)); I am currently working on the accordion this week to provides its specific Behavior and event handling... The second goal is that the 'core' is also designed to integrate other plugins, from simple Behaviors to complex Components. For instance, the project provides an integration of the Calendar (from FullCalendar jQuery plugin) and an integration of several components of the Kendo-UI widget library. In the future, I think it will also provide an integration of a really good charting library (but it's a secret! ;). I began to write the tutorial series on how-to implement plugins but it is unfortunately not yet finished. wicket-jquery-ui is fairly new - the first version has been released about 6 months ago and has already been downloaded several hundred of time (I do not have latest maven stats), the demo site recorded more than 2 000 visits these last 30 days (11 700 page views). No just to give you some numbers, just to say that it seems to be really in use; I use it myself - and my colleges - at work on some big projects. And the number of opened issues (very low) tends me to say that the API seems to be stable/reliable. (or nobody use it in fact ;)) I do not have a lot a feedback about who - and how - the API is used. However, I hope these few lines will help you to answer a part of your question. Best regards, Sebastien. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Pointbreak pointbreak+wicketst...@ml1.netwrote: But why not for tabs, accordion, slider, and other jquery components? That gives you much more flexibility in separating what a component logically does (e.g. render various sections of data, widgets, etc.), from how it is shown and interacted with in the browser (view as tabs, steps in a widget, accordion, just plain sections, ...). In jquery-ui itself you also add it as a behavior to a DOM element. So why not offer that flexibility in the Wicket integration? Idem ditto for things like draggable, droppable, etc. Why not offer the possibility to make any existing wicket panel/component a draggable by having a DraggableBehavior? In wicket-jquery-ui you need to subclass a Draggable panel, which is obviously not possible with already existing components/panels. Just to clarify: this is my very personal opinion on how a jquery integration should be designed (and actually how I've done it for many projects so far). That's obviously very subjective. It looks like an impressive library nonetheless! On Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 15:30, Sébastien Gautrin wrote: Hi Pointbreak, At least for wicket-jquery-ui, it offers also pure behaviours integration for jquery extensions that are pure behaviours (such as Droppable). I think wiQuery does as well. For ease of defining such things for you own component, it is the main goal of wicket-jquery-ui; take a look at the three tutorials Sebastien made (sebfz1) for wicket-jquery-ui: http://code.google.com/p/wicket-jquery-ui/w/list?q=label:How-To (note: Sebastien is the author of wicket-jquery-ui
Re: Wicket and jQuery UI
Hi, On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi Wicket I have been looking at a) wiQuery and b) wicket-jquery-ui What API to use when doing a bridge between Wicket and jQuery UI? What exactly do you need ? The bridge is AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior - the base Ajax behavior. Recommendations and experience would be very much welcomed. Thanks in advance! Best regards/Med venlig hilsen Ronny Voss Nordea Bank Danmark A/S Online Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3 DK-1401 København K Mobile: +45 26711952 E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.commailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com -- Martin Grigorov jWeekend Training, Consulting, Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
RE: Wicket and jQuery UI
Hi I was not thinking about the base, ie AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior. I was thinking about using one off the API - several components - could be accordion? could be some effects etc. So I was thinking about who has tried out both API's - has some experiences and suggest this API because bla bla. Hope I explain myself fully here. - Ronny -Original Message- From: Martin Grigorov [mailto:mgrigo...@apache.org] Sent: 02 October 2012 08:52 To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket and jQuery UI Hi, On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi Wicket I have been looking at a) wiQuery and b) wicket-jquery-ui What API to use when doing a bridge between Wicket and jQuery UI? What exactly do you need ? The bridge is AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior - the base Ajax behavior. Recommendations and experience would be very much welcomed. Thanks in advance! Best regards/Med venlig hilsen Ronny Voss Nordea Bank Danmark A/S Online Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3 DK-1401 København K Mobile: +45 26711952 E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.commailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com -- Martin Grigorov jWeekend Training, Consulting, Development http://jWeekend.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Wicket and jQuery UI
It's a very long time ago that I looked at the API's, so it's likely things have changed since that time. But the problem I had with both products is that they are mostly component based API's (meaning they offer an Accordion component, Autocomplete component, etc.). Imho, a much more flexible approach for JQuery integration is to offer all jquery-ui functionality as behaviors. That way existing components (both from core, other libraries, or your own code) can more easily be augmented with jqeury-ui functionality. And since it's easy enough to do it yourself with a few lines of code, I opted to don't use these libraries at all. There are a few things that require more thought (e.g. jQuery Tab-UI combined integrated with Wicket-Ajax functionality, but at least back then these frameworks didn't offer that in a flexible way either). So I would say, check the libraries for how you are supposed to add the jquery functionality (behavior vs component hierarchy), and don't be afraid to just roll your own if necessary. It's not that much extra functionality that the library offers over just using raw Wicket and jQuery. My 2cnts. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 13:02, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi I was not thinking about the base, ie AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior. I was thinking about using one off the API - several components - could be accordion? could be some effects etc. So I was thinking about who has tried out both API's - has some experiences and suggest this API because bla bla. Hope I explain myself fully here. - Ronny -Original Message- From: Martin Grigorov [mailto:mgrigo...@apache.org] Sent: 02 October 2012 08:52 To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket and jQuery UI Hi, On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi Wicket I have been looking at a) wiQuery and b) wicket-jquery-ui What API to use when doing a bridge between Wicket and jQuery UI? What exactly do you need ? The bridge is AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior - the base Ajax behavior. Recommendations and experience would be very much welcomed. Thanks in advance! Best regards/Med venlig hilsen Ronny Voss Nordea Bank Danmark A/S Online Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3 DK-1401 København K Mobile: +45 26711952 E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.commailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Wicket and jQuery UI
Hi Pointbreak, At least for wicket-jquery-ui, it offers also pure behaviours integration for jquery extensions that are pure behaviours (such as Droppable). I think wiQuery does as well. For ease of defining such things for you own component, it is the main goal of wicket-jquery-ui; take a look at the three tutorials Sebastien made (sebfz1) for wicket-jquery-ui: http://code.google.com/p/wicket-jquery-ui/w/list?q=label:How-To (note: Sebastien is the author of wicket-jquery-ui). More on the topic, I as well would welcome experience returns from people who used both (though personally I'm inclined to use wicket-jquery-ui at the moment, but that's also because I'm biaised after having been really impressed at how fast Sebastien integrated run fox software Datepicker component to wicket-jquery-ui while doing his tutorial#3). Pointbreak wrote: It's a very long time ago that I looked at the API's, so it's likely things have changed since that time. But the problem I had with both products is that they are mostly component based API's (meaning they offer an Accordion component, Autocomplete component, etc.). Imho, a much more flexible approach for JQuery integration is to offer all jquery-ui functionality as behaviors. That way existing components (both from core, other libraries, or your own code) can more easily be augmented with jqeury-ui functionality. And since it's easy enough to do it yourself with a few lines of code, I opted to don't use these libraries at all. There are a few things that require more thought (e.g. jQuery Tab-UI combined integrated with Wicket-Ajax functionality, but at least back then these frameworks didn't offer that in a flexible way either). So I would say, check the libraries for how you are supposed to add the jquery functionality (behavior vs component hierarchy), and don't be afraid to just roll your own if necessary. It's not that much extra functionality that the library offers over just using raw Wicket and jQuery. My 2cnts. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 13:02, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi I was not thinking about the base, ie AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior. I was thinking about using one off the API - several components - could be accordion? could be some effects etc. So I was thinking about who has tried out both API's - has some experiences and suggest this API because bla bla. Hope I explain myself fully here. - Ronny -Original Message- From: Martin Grigorov [mailto:mgrigo...@apache.org] Sent: 02 October 2012 08:52 To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket and jQuery UI Hi, On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi Wicket I have been looking at a) wiQuery and b) wicket-jquery-ui What API to use when doing a bridge between Wicket and jQuery UI? What exactly do you need ? The bridge is AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior - the base Ajax behavior. Recommendations and experience would be very much welcomed. Thanks in advance! Best regards/Med venlig hilsen Ronny Voss Nordea Bank Danmark A/S Online Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3 DK-1401 København K Mobile: +45 26711952 E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.commailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Wicket and jQuery UI
But why not for tabs, accordion, slider, and other jquery components? That gives you much more flexibility in separating what a component logically does (e.g. render various sections of data, widgets, etc.), from how it is shown and interacted with in the browser (view as tabs, steps in a widget, accordion, just plain sections, ...). In jquery-ui itself you also add it as a behavior to a DOM element. So why not offer that flexibility in the Wicket integration? Idem ditto for things like draggable, droppable, etc. Why not offer the possibility to make any existing wicket panel/component a draggable by having a DraggableBehavior? In wicket-jquery-ui you need to subclass a Draggable panel, which is obviously not possible with already existing components/panels. Just to clarify: this is my very personal opinion on how a jquery integration should be designed (and actually how I've done it for many projects so far). That's obviously very subjective. It looks like an impressive library nonetheless! On Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 15:30, Sébastien Gautrin wrote: Hi Pointbreak, At least for wicket-jquery-ui, it offers also pure behaviours integration for jquery extensions that are pure behaviours (such as Droppable). I think wiQuery does as well. For ease of defining such things for you own component, it is the main goal of wicket-jquery-ui; take a look at the three tutorials Sebastien made (sebfz1) for wicket-jquery-ui: http://code.google.com/p/wicket-jquery-ui/w/list?q=label:How-To (note: Sebastien is the author of wicket-jquery-ui). More on the topic, I as well would welcome experience returns from people who used both (though personally I'm inclined to use wicket-jquery-ui at the moment, but that's also because I'm biaised after having been really impressed at how fast Sebastien integrated run fox software Datepicker component to wicket-jquery-ui while doing his tutorial#3). Pointbreak wrote: It's a very long time ago that I looked at the API's, so it's likely things have changed since that time. But the problem I had with both products is that they are mostly component based API's (meaning they offer an Accordion component, Autocomplete component, etc.). Imho, a much more flexible approach for JQuery integration is to offer all jquery-ui functionality as behaviors. That way existing components (both from core, other libraries, or your own code) can more easily be augmented with jqeury-ui functionality. And since it's easy enough to do it yourself with a few lines of code, I opted to don't use these libraries at all. There are a few things that require more thought (e.g. jQuery Tab-UI combined integrated with Wicket-Ajax functionality, but at least back then these frameworks didn't offer that in a flexible way either). So I would say, check the libraries for how you are supposed to add the jquery functionality (behavior vs component hierarchy), and don't be afraid to just roll your own if necessary. It's not that much extra functionality that the library offers over just using raw Wicket and jQuery. My 2cnts. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 13:02, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi I was not thinking about the base, ie AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior. I was thinking about using one off the API - several components - could be accordion? could be some effects etc. So I was thinking about who has tried out both API's - has some experiences and suggest this API because bla bla. Hope I explain myself fully here. - Ronny -Original Message- From: Martin Grigorov [mailto:mgrigo...@apache.org] Sent: 02 October 2012 08:52 To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket and jQuery UI Hi, On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi Wicket I have been looking at a) wiQuery and b) wicket-jquery-ui What API to use when doing a bridge between Wicket and jQuery UI? What exactly do you need ? The bridge is AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior - the base Ajax behavior. Recommendations and experience would be very much welcomed. Thanks in advance! Best regards/Med venlig hilsen Ronny Voss Nordea Bank Danmark A/S Online Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3 DK-1401 København K Mobile: +45 26711952 E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.commailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h
Re: Wicket and jQuery UI
component, Autocomplete component, etc.). Imho, a much more flexible approach for JQuery integration is to offer all jquery-ui functionality as behaviors. That way existing components (both from core, other libraries, or your own code) can more easily be augmented with jqeury-ui functionality. And since it's easy enough to do it yourself with a few lines of code, I opted to don't use these libraries at all. There are a few things that require more thought (e.g. jQuery Tab-UI combined integrated with Wicket-Ajax functionality, but at least back then these frameworks didn't offer that in a flexible way either). So I would say, check the libraries for how you are supposed to add the jquery functionality (behavior vs component hierarchy), and don't be afraid to just roll your own if necessary. It's not that much extra functionality that the library offers over just using raw Wicket and jQuery. My 2cnts. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 13:02, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi I was not thinking about the base, ie AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior. I was thinking about using one off the API - several components - could be accordion? could be some effects etc. So I was thinking about who has tried out both API's - has some experiences and suggest this API because bla bla. Hope I explain myself fully here. - Ronny -Original Message- From: Martin Grigorov [mailto:mgrigo...@apache.org] Sent: 02 October 2012 08:52 To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket and jQuery UI Hi, On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM, ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com wrote: Hi Wicket I have been looking at a) wiQuery and b) wicket-jquery-ui What API to use when doing a bridge between Wicket and jQuery UI? What exactly do you need ? The bridge is AbstractDefaultAjaxBehavior - the base Ajax behavior. Recommendations and experience would be very much welcomed. Thanks in advance! Best regards/Med venlig hilsen Ronny Voss Nordea Bank Danmark A/S Online Securities Processing Solutions Strandgade 3 DK-1401 København K Mobile: +45 26711952 E-mail: ronny.v...@consult.nordea.commailto:ronny.v...@consult.nordea.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
