Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-03 Thread Johan Compagner
amazon is also a very simple site if i may say the webshop are a few pages at most ... Also they have a lot of cookies called "session" something... And i didnt see much change in the cookies when i added something to my card but it could be encoded in one of them i guess. But removing some cooki

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-03 Thread Jonathan Locke
i agree with a lot of what eelco says here. that said, i'm definitely more of the mind to prefer stateful OO techniques over stateless. also, i think the idea that amazon is actually a stateless web site is probably somewhat false already and getting more false as the company grows and scales t

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-03 Thread Doug Donohoe
Eelco, Thanks for the thorough and thoughtful reply. Perhaps there are things that can be done in the framework with cookies and such. I am going to be looking to additions to wicket. I need to get the source built and working in my local environment. -Doug Eelco Hillenius wrote: > > >>

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-01 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Hi, See reaction inline. > Stateless Sites > - > > For example, Google's search is apparently stateless. I can bookmark any > search result, go away for hours, days or weeks and re-visit the link > without experiencing a session-expired message. I shop at Amazon quite a >

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-01 Thread Igor Vaynberg
here are my two cents on this: wicket is optimized to scale well when building web application with complex user interfaces. all the examples you gave: amazon, google search, are web sites, not web applications: they have few pages with simple user interfaces. so if whatever it is you are building

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-01 Thread Jonathan Locke
that's probably because the session timeout on the container hosting that example is short. Doug Donohoe wrote: > > I'm using Wicket 1.3.3 on Tomcat 6.0.16. I'm using whatever the default > session store implementation is because I haven't done anything to > configure it. > > Are you suggest

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-01 Thread Doug Donohoe
I'm using Wicket 1.3.3 on Tomcat 6.0.16. I'm using whatever the default session store implementation is because I haven't done anything to configure it. Are you suggesting there is a way to avoid session expirations? I'm not sure your previous suggestion to lengthen session time-out solves th

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-01 Thread Jonathan Locke
the more i think about this, the more i'm suspecting you've just got a bunch of configuration problems. what version of wicket are you using and what session store implementation? also, tomcat provides a facility for writing out less active sessions to disk. Doug Donohoe wrote: > > Hi Jonath

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-01 Thread Jonathan Locke
there may be places where improvements are possible, but i think the answer is not to ruin your programming model by not using sessions. i think bookmarkability is a separate issue and one that is quite nicely addressed in wicket /when you need it/. one simple thing you can do to increase your

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-01 Thread Johan Compagner
the examples app are just bad example because there the session expiration is 5 minutes or something like that You can up the session expiration to 24 hours or something like that then it wont happen at all If you want or use ajax and wicket then you can forget about being stateless because that

Re: Wicket 2.0 time frame

2008-05-01 Thread Doug Donohoe
Hi Jonathan, I'd like to open a discussion about this stance on "stateless" web ui because I think the original question is really one about Wicket's use of the session. By default, all wicket forms and links are stateful or dependent on the Wicket Session. If the session goes away, the links a