Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying first paragraf after page brake also copies page brake with page style

[Philip Jackson]

On 12/12/17 00:03, Krunose wrote:
> And it does not happen if you paste in paragraph that already have text,
> only if paste to empty paragraph. Not consisted.

I insert a manual page break and then make a paragraph of text, then
highlight this paragraph and do crtl + c to copy it. So I have on the
clipboard a copy of a paragraph of text which contains a page break.

There are then 2 cases :

1.  I do an 'enter' to create a new empty paragraph followed by ctrl + v
to paste in the contents of the clipboard. This immediately pastes my
text into a new paragraph on top of another new page. The page break has
been pasted and activated.

2.  I do an 'enter' to create a new blank paragraph followed by ctrl +
alt + shift + v to paste in the contents of the clipboard. This
immediately pastes in my text with no formatting and with no page break.
The paste of plain unformatted text has dumped the page break.

Both results are as designed. If doing a lot of pasting of unformatted
text, I can see the advantage of creating a custom keyboard shortcut
needing only 2 fingers, as mentioned by Steve.

Philip

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying first paragraf after page brake also copies page brake with page style

[Krunose]

On 11.12.2017 23:28, Krunose wrote:


On 11.12.2017 23:06, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

2017-12-11 22:49 GMT+01:00 Krunose :


Hello,

I don't know if this is a known thing but I use LO for a long time 
now and
never noticed this: I inserted page brake with new page style and 
direct
formated first paragraph. Now, if I copy that paragraph to other 
part of a

document -- paragraph is copied with page the page style inserting page
brake. That's weird.

Page breaks are a property of the paragraph: you'll find them on the 
"text

flow" tab of the paragraph properties or paragraph style. This is by
design: Writer is "content focused" instead of "page focused", so is the
text what define where a page break goes. By default, when you insert a
manual page break it get associated with the paragraph immediately after
that break and that's why when you copy that paragraph you are also 
copying

the page break.



I understand that page brake is property associated with next 
paragraph, but I don't think it should get copied. What If I need only 
one word from a paragraph that has hundred words -- I don't think page 
brake should get copied with that only one word.


What I want to do is copy text, not paragraph. It's like copying text 
from a rendered web page: I want text, not div wrapping it.


I get 'by design' part, but think it should be done a little bit more 
sensitive. I know no other word processor that does it this way.



And it does not happen if you paste in paragraph that already have text, 
only if paste to empty paragraph. Not consisted.


Kruno





OK, apparently I get what I want if I do CTRL + Shift + V and choose 
unformatted text, but then 'unformatted' is misleading. Philip pointed 
me to a right keyboard shortcut but out of curiosity: is it possible 
to ditch page brake when copying? Is this new thing or I just never 
hit this before?


I can browse trough archive if it was discussed already.

Kruno







Regards,
Ricardo





What's even more weird is that pasting as unformatted with CTRL + 
Shift +

V pastes text without page break but with direct formating. Pasting as
unformatted text does not strips formating, just page brake.

I'm on Debian using LibreOffice 5.7.2 with Croatian interface and 
locale

settings.

Can anybody comment and provide more info if this is known thing?


Thanks,

Kruno


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying first paragraf after page brake also copies page brake with page style

[Steve Edmonds]

My LO has ctl+k for unformatted text.
This is a real bonus as I work mouse left handed and I can do ctl+ins 
then ctl+k easily with the right hand.

steve

On 12/12/17 11:05, Philip Jackson wrote:

On 11/12/17 22:49, Krunose wrote:

What's even more weird is that pasting as unformatted with CTRL + Shift
+ V pastes text without page break but with direct formating. Pasting as
unformatted text does not strips formating, just page brake.

To get a paste of unformatted text, the keyboard shortcut is ctrl +
shift + alt + v

This works fine.

hth

Philip




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying first paragraf after page brake also copies page brake with page style

[Krunose]

On 11.12.2017 23:06, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

2017-12-11 22:49 GMT+01:00 Krunose :


Hello,

I don't know if this is a known thing but I use LO for a long time now and
never noticed this: I inserted page brake with new page style and direct
formated first paragraph. Now, if I copy that paragraph to other part of a
document -- paragraph is copied with page the page style inserting page
brake. That's weird.


Page breaks are a property of the paragraph: you'll find them on the "text
flow" tab of the paragraph properties or paragraph style. This is by
design: Writer is "content focused" instead of "page focused", so is the
text what define where a page break goes. By default, when you insert a
manual page break it get associated with the paragraph immediately after
that break and that's why when you copy that paragraph you are also copying
the page break.



I understand that page brake is property associated with next paragraph, 
but I don't think it should get copied. What If I need only one word 
from a paragraph that has hundred words -- I don't think page brake 
should get copied with that only one word.


What I want to do is copy text, not paragraph. It's like copying text 
from a rendered web page: I want text, not div wrapping it.


I get 'by design' part, but think it should be done a little bit more 
sensitive. I know no other word processor that does it this way.


OK, apparently I get what I want if I do CTRL + Shift + V and choose 
unformatted text, but then 'unformatted' is misleading. Philip pointed 
me to a right keyboard shortcut but out of curiosity: is it possible to 
ditch page brake when copying? Is this new thing or I just never hit 
this before?


I can browse trough archive if it was discussed already.

Kruno







Regards,
Ricardo






What's even more weird is that pasting as unformatted with CTRL + Shift +
V pastes text without page break but with direct formating. Pasting as
unformatted text does not strips formating, just page brake.

I'm on Debian using LibreOffice 5.7.2 with Croatian interface and locale
settings.

Can anybody comment and provide more info if this is known thing?


Thanks,

Kruno


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying first paragraf after page brake also copies page brake with page style

[Philip Jackson]

On 11/12/17 22:49, Krunose wrote:
> What's even more weird is that pasting as unformatted with CTRL + Shift
> + V pastes text without page break but with direct formating. Pasting as
> unformatted text does not strips formating, just page brake.

To get a paste of unformatted text, the keyboard shortcut is ctrl +
shift + alt + v

This works fine.

hth

Philip

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying first paragraf after page brake also copies page brake with page style

[Ricardo Berlasso]

2017-12-11 22:49 GMT+01:00 Krunose :

> Hello,
>
> I don't know if this is a known thing but I use LO for a long time now and
> never noticed this: I inserted page brake with new page style and direct
> formated first paragraph. Now, if I copy that paragraph to other part of a
> document -- paragraph is copied with page the page style inserting page
> brake. That's weird.
>

Page breaks are a property of the paragraph: you'll find them on the "text
flow" tab of the paragraph properties or paragraph style. This is by
design: Writer is "content focused" instead of "page focused", so is the
text what define where a page break goes. By default, when you insert a
manual page break it get associated with the paragraph immediately after
that break and that's why when you copy that paragraph you are also copying
the page break.

Regards,
Ricardo





>
> What's even more weird is that pasting as unformatted with CTRL + Shift +
> V pastes text without page break but with direct formating. Pasting as
> unformatted text does not strips formating, just page brake.
>
> I'm on Debian using LibreOffice 5.7.2 with Croatian interface and locale
> settings.
>
> Can anybody comment and provide more info if this is known thing?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kruno
>
>
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