Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.1.4.2 calc consistently crashing on row deletion

[M Henri Day]

2016-06-29 19:09 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies :

> Hi Henri :)
> Thanks :)  I still think your idea is likely to be the winner, the idea
> about switching to using the PPA rather than the upstream version.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 29 June 2016 at 15:35, M Henri Day  wrote:
>
>> 2016-06-29 16:20 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies :
>>
>>> Hi :)
>>> Java is notoriously unreliable with many intermittently and
>>> situation-specific problems.  Sadly it's not the case that if it works in
>>> one place that it can be relied on anywhere else.
>>> It's quirky problematic nature is more like the problems with Flash,
>>> only much worse.
>>> Regards from
>>> TomD :)
>>>
>>
>> ​That Java causes quirky problems is, of course, certainly true - it's
>> just that it's not the first place I'd go looking for a solution to Mr
>> Cloud's problems. But in any event, it's easy to turn off and check - if
>> the problem disappears, it is solved (and we know the cause), if not, it's
>> easy to turn it on again and look elsewhere for solutions 
>>
>> Henri
>>
>
​Bruce's «idea»​, at least as expressed on this thread, but to anyone using
an Ubuntu derivative, like Mint, it certainly saves a lot of trouble. Only
disadvantage is that one has to wait for the PPA to be updated, but that
generally doesn't take more than a few days after the publication of a new
standard LO version

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.1.4.2 calc consistently crashing on row deletion

[M Henri Day]

2016-06-29 16:20 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies :

> Hi :)
> Java is notoriously unreliable with many intermittently and
> situation-specific problems.  Sadly it's not the case that if it works in
> one place that it can be relied on anywhere else.
> It's quirky problematic nature is more like the problems with Flash, only
> much worse.
> Regards from
> TomD :)
>

​That Java causes quirky problems is, of course, certainly true - it's just
that it's not the first place I'd go looking for a solution to Mr Cloud's
problems. But in any event, it's easy to turn off and check - if the
problem disappears, it is solved (and we know the cause), if not, it's easy
to turn it on again and look elsewhere for solutions 

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.1.4.2 calc consistently crashing on row deletion

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Java is notoriously unreliable with many intermittently and
situation-specific problems.  Sadly it's not the case that if it works in
one place that it can be relied on anywhere else.
It's quirky problematic nature is more like the problems with Flash, only
much worse.
Regards from
TomD :)




On 29 June 2016 at 15:15, M Henri Day  wrote:

> 2016-06-29 15:57 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies :
>
>> Hi :)
>> Crashing used to be usually due to having Java active.
>>
>> Base often uses Java and so do screen-readers and such but almost
>> everything 'normal' users do doesn't need Java at all.  It's possible to
>> just switch Java off in just LibreOffice before considering removing it
>> entirely.  If it grumbles then just re-enable it.
>>
>>
>> More likely is that you maybe just need to bump up the settings in
>> "Memory".  The default settings there are for ancient very low-spec
>> machines and if you have a 1Gb of ram or more then bumping up the amount
>> of
>> ram that LO can use might well help quite a bit.
>> Tools - Options - Memory ? or Advanced?
>>
>>
>> Of course crashing could also be a hardware issue such as wobbly
>> graphics-card that just needs to be pushed in a bit more firmly (while the
>> computer is off, of course!) - or perhaps damaged ram or hard-drive.
>> These
>> sorts of things are fairly unlikely in your case i would think and the
>> simpler answers are worth trying before worrying about any of that stuff.
>> Trying the PPA is an excellent idea of course.
>> Regards form
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 June 2016 at 14:36, Bruce Hohl  wrote:
>>
>> > Tom,
>> > I just updated to LO 5.1.4.2 from the Ubuntu PPA's on Ubuntu 14.04
>> (really
>> > LXLE Posh).  I checked deleting rows from a few worksheets and
>> encountered
>> > no errors.  If you are using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu based OS you might try
>> > getting LO from the PPAs per the links below as these are packaged for
>> > Ubuntu.
>> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice
>> > https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Tom Cloyd 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I downloaded the *.deb installer yesterday, and installed it a little
>> > over
>> > > an hour ago. It's crashed 6 times in the first hour. No matter how I
>> try
>> > to
>> > > delete a spreadsheet row, I get a modal window with an error message.
>> > > Clicking that away leads to all of LO just disappearing.
>> > >
>> > > Here's my version:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > And the error message I keep seeing -
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ​
>> > > I can't use this version if it acts like this, so I'm reverting to my
>> > > previous one.
>> > >
>> > > Let me know if I can help any more.
>> > >
>> > > Tom
>>
>
> ​Tom (Davies), thought I'd mention that Java is enabled (1.8.0_91)​
> ​ is enabled on my version of ​
>
> ​LO  5.1.4.2, so it seems unlikely that OP Tom Cloyd's problem - which, as
> noted above, I do not encounter - is Java- related. As in Bruce's case, My
> version (1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1~trusty1) was downloaded and installed via the
> Ubuntu PPA
>
> Henri
>

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.1.4.2 calc consistently crashing on row deletion

[M Henri Day]

2016-06-29 15:57 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies :

> Hi :)
> Crashing used to be usually due to having Java active.
>
> Base often uses Java and so do screen-readers and such but almost
> everything 'normal' users do doesn't need Java at all.  It's possible to
> just switch Java off in just LibreOffice before considering removing it
> entirely.  If it grumbles then just re-enable it.
>
>
> More likely is that you maybe just need to bump up the settings in
> "Memory".  The default settings there are for ancient very low-spec
> machines and if you have a 1Gb of ram or more then bumping up the amount of
> ram that LO can use might well help quite a bit.
> Tools - Options - Memory ? or Advanced?
>
>
> Of course crashing could also be a hardware issue such as wobbly
> graphics-card that just needs to be pushed in a bit more firmly (while the
> computer is off, of course!) - or perhaps damaged ram or hard-drive.  These
> sorts of things are fairly unlikely in your case i would think and the
> simpler answers are worth trying before worrying about any of that stuff.
> Trying the PPA is an excellent idea of course.
> Regards form
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 June 2016 at 14:36, Bruce Hohl  wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> > I just updated to LO 5.1.4.2 from the Ubuntu PPA's on Ubuntu 14.04
> (really
> > LXLE Posh).  I checked deleting rows from a few worksheets and
> encountered
> > no errors.  If you are using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu based OS you might try
> > getting LO from the PPAs per the links below as these are packaged for
> > Ubuntu.
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice
> > https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Tom Cloyd 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I downloaded the *.deb installer yesterday, and installed it a little
> > over
> > > an hour ago. It's crashed 6 times in the first hour. No matter how I
> try
> > to
> > > delete a spreadsheet row, I get a modal window with an error message.
> > > Clicking that away leads to all of LO just disappearing.
> > >
> > > Here's my version:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And the error message I keep seeing -
> > >
> > >
> > > ​
> > > I can't use this version if it acts like this, so I'm reverting to my
> > > previous one.
> > >
> > > Let me know if I can help any more.
> > >
> > > Tom
>

​Tom (Davies), thought I'd mention that Java is enabled (1.8.0_91)​
​ is enabled on my version of ​

​LO  5.1.4.2, so it seems unlikely that OP Tom Cloyd's problem - which, as
noted above, I do not encounter - is Java- related. As in Bruce's case, My
version (1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1~trusty1) was downloaded and installed via the
Ubuntu PPA

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.1.4.2 calc consistently crashing on row deletion

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Crashing used to be usually due to having Java active.

Base often uses Java and so do screen-readers and such but almost
everything 'normal' users do doesn't need Java at all.  It's possible to
just switch Java off in just LibreOffice before considering removing it
entirely.  If it grumbles then just re-enable it.


More likely is that you maybe just need to bump up the settings in
"Memory".  The default settings there are for ancient very low-spec
machines and if you have a 1Gb of ram or more then bumping up the amount of
ram that LO can use might well help quite a bit.
Tools - Options - Memory ? or Advanced?


Of course crashing could also be a hardware issue such as wobbly
graphics-card that just needs to be pushed in a bit more firmly (while the
computer is off, of course!) - or perhaps damaged ram or hard-drive.  These
sorts of things are fairly unlikely in your case i would think and the
simpler answers are worth trying before worrying about any of that stuff.
Trying the PPA is an excellent idea of course.
Regards form
Tom :)





On 26 June 2016 at 14:36, Bruce Hohl  wrote:

> Tom,
> I just updated to LO 5.1.4.2 from the Ubuntu PPA's on Ubuntu 14.04 (really
> LXLE Posh).  I checked deleting rows from a few worksheets and encountered
> no errors.  If you are using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu based OS you might try
> getting LO from the PPAs per the links below as these are packaged for
> Ubuntu.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice
> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Tom Cloyd  wrote:
>
> > I downloaded the *.deb installer yesterday, and installed it a little
> over
> > an hour ago. It's crashed 6 times in the first hour. No matter how I try
> to
> > delete a spreadsheet row, I get a modal window with an error message.
> > Clicking that away leads to all of LO just disappearing.
> >
> > Here's my version:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > And the error message I keep seeing -
> >
> >
> > ​
> > I can't use this version if it acts like this, so I'm reverting to my
> > previous one.
> >
> > Let me know if I can help any more.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~
> > Tom Cloyd, MS MA LMHC (WA)
> > Psychotherapist (psychological trauma, dissociative disorders)
> > Spokane, Washington, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332
> > << t...@tomcloyd.com >> (email)
> > << TomCloyd.com >> (website)
> > ~
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.1.4.2 calc consistently crashing on row deletion

[Bruce Hohl]

Tom,
I just updated to LO 5.1.4.2 from the Ubuntu PPA's on Ubuntu 14.04 (really
LXLE Posh).  I checked deleting rows from a few worksheets and encountered
no errors.  If you are using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu based OS you might try
getting LO from the PPAs per the links below as these are packaged for
Ubuntu.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice
https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Tom Cloyd  wrote:

> I downloaded the *.deb installer yesterday, and installed it a little over
> an hour ago. It's crashed 6 times in the first hour. No matter how I try to
> delete a spreadsheet row, I get a modal window with an error message.
> Clicking that away leads to all of LO just disappearing.
>
> Here's my version:
>
>
>
>
> And the error message I keep seeing -
>
>
> ​
> I can't use this version if it acts like this, so I'm reverting to my
> previous one.
>
> Let me know if I can help any more.
>
> Tom
>
> --
>
> ~
> Tom Cloyd, MS MA LMHC (WA)
> Psychotherapist (psychological trauma, dissociative disorders)
> Spokane, Washington, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332
> << t...@tomcloyd.com >> (email)
> << TomCloyd.com >> (website)
> ~
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.1.4.2 calc consistently crashing on row deletion

[M Henri Day]

2016-06-26 0:03 GMT+02:00 Tom Cloyd :

> Yeah, apparently not. That's just plain dumb. The error message is long
> and full of technogarble. I'm not about to attempt to flip back and forth
> to another window or workspace (95 mouseclicks, anyone?) to type it out. I
> took a screenshoot - two, in fact - and they were part of my now obvious
> meaningless message. I guess the server protocol stripped them out.
>
> Thanks for letting me know about this, and for trying to replicate the
> problem, with little information to go on.
>
> I'm a very busy professional. I just can't take the time to work this out.
> My schedule is always overloaded. Wish I could help more with this, but
> almost every time I've tried, in the past, the time cost has been
> prohibitive. I thought that this time, with the screenshots I'd found a
> path, but...not so.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 8:42 AM, M Henri Day  wrote:
>
>> 2016-06-25 0:54 GMT+02:00 Tom Cloyd :
>>
>>> I downloaded the *.deb installer yesterday, and installed it a little
>>> over
>>> an hour ago. It's crashed 6 times in the first hour. No matter how I try
>>> to
>>> delete a spreadsheet row, I get a modal window with an error message.
>>> Clicking that away leads to all of LO just disappearing.
>>>
>>> Here's my version:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And the error message I keep seeing -
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>> I can't use this version if it acts like this, so I'm reverting to my
>>> previous one.
>>>
>>> Let me know if I can help any more.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>
>> ​<...>​
>>
>> Tom, neither your version nor the error message you see are reproduced in
>> the above. I'm running Version: 5.1.4.2 Build ID: 1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1~trusty1
>> on Linux Mint 17.3, but do not see the behaviour your observed
>>
>> Henri
>>
>
​Hullo Tom !

According to my experience, screenshots, like links, are stripped out on
the forum as a security measure. Saving them to a website and then
providing the relevant URL in a message to this forum would be one way to
get 'round the problem

May I ask what version of Linux you are using ?...

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.1.4.2 calc consistently crashing on row deletion

[M Henri Day]

2016-06-25 0:54 GMT+02:00 Tom Cloyd :

> I downloaded the *.deb installer yesterday, and installed it a little over
> an hour ago. It's crashed 6 times in the first hour. No matter how I try to
> delete a spreadsheet row, I get a modal window with an error message.
> Clicking that away leads to all of LO just disappearing.
>
> Here's my version:
>
>
>
>
> And the error message I keep seeing -
>
>
> ​
> I can't use this version if it acts like this, so I'm reverting to my
> previous one.
>
> Let me know if I can help any more.
>
> Tom
>

​<...>​

Tom, neither your version nor the error message you see are reproduced in
the above. I'm running Version: 5.1.4.2 Build ID: 1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1~trusty1
on Linux Mint 17.3, but do not see the behaviour your observed

Henri

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