Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Tom wrote: How do you do that if your system (openSuSE 12.1) only allows two (2) key composition? I didn’t think there was such a restriction. I have a custom compose list (on Ubuntu), and I just created a three-key combination, and it works. Is this something unique to SUSE (which seems unlikely), or is there something else wrong? Do your two-key combinations work? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Den 17 april 2012 22:32 skrev Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:09:31 +0200
Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote:
Den 16 april 2012 22:36 skrev Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie:
Regina wrote:
They are usually written via AutoCorrect. The simple hyphen is replaced
with the en-dash or em-dash when the following word is finished . . .
That is _not_ a good idea. The hyphen, en rule and em rule (dash) are
distinct characters with distinct uses in conventional typography and
typesetting. Their correct use cannot be predicted by context, nor are
they interchangeable.
You need to find out where these characters are in the character set you
are using. This depends on your operating system, your language, and
your keyboard layout.
As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you
use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise
your keyboard layout,
That's actually what I did (called ”Sweden Johnny Rosenberg”,
available on my computers only…), but I didn't mention it because I
thought it could be a bit tricky…
I have the en-dash at AltGr+- and the em-dash at AltGr+Shift+-. I also
did a lot of other modification, like removed all my numbers from the
first row (I already have them on the num pad to the right – why have
them at more than one place?) and moved some Shift+number combinations
so I don't need Shift for characters like ”!#%/” and so on. I even
made labels to put on my keys, but most of them was worn out after a
couple of weeks of typing…
To change the layout (or rather add a new one in this case), you need
to fiddle with three files (at least in Ubuntu):
/usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst, /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml
and /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/the file representing your language,
more on that another time…
Ok, this was a bit off topic…
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the
en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you
want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!).
You could, as Johnny suggests, create your own auto-correct sequences,
but personally I would avoid all such contrivances. Auto-correct is
_not_ your friend.
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Hi Johnny;
Out of curiosity, what is AltGr+ ? Alt is of course the Alt key on the
keyboard but which key is Gr? My keyboard (an old IBM windows model) doesn't
have such a key.
Thanks, Tom
I saw that someone already answered, but I'll reply anyway.
The ”+” does only mean that the key is hold. So Alt+Shift+x means that
Alt, Shift and x is pressed simultaneously, or at least that no key is
released before the other keys is pressed.
The compose key doesn't work that way, therefore no ”+” sign: ”Compose
--.” means ”hit the Compose key, release it, then type --.”.
About the AltGr key, I don't think it exists on standard US keyboards,
for example. Many other languages though, use some characters that are
not on a regular US keyboard, like in my case, Swedish.
We have three extra letters in our alphabet: A-Z, then ÅÄÖ and the
same for lower case (a-z, åäö). That means that there are not enough
keys for everything, so characters like ”{[]}\|” are omitted, or at
least replaced by our Swedish characters. We need them sometimes
anyway though, so they are placed on other keys and we can type them
by using the AltGr key, for example AltGr+8 for ”[” and AltGr+9 for
”]”. On the other hand, at least with Swedish keyboards, they have no
right Alt key, only one to the left, so I guess AltGr is simply the
right Alt key. It's placed immediately to the right of the space key,
at least on my keyboard.
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
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Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Den 18 april 2012 02:12 skrev Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:48:22 +0100 Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie wrote: Doug: Using the compose key, the default settings are: dash (em rule) --- en rule: --. How do you do that if your system (openSuSE 12.1) only allows two (2) key composition? Thanks, Tom I have had OpenSUSE some years back (I think it was 11.3 or something), but unfortunately I didn't test this… However, this page doesn't say anything about that the compose key behaviour is depending on your GNU/Linux-distribution, so I thought this was true for all of them. Maybe it's a Gnome thing and you have the KDE version of OpenSUSE? Well, I don't think so, but I use Gnome only, so I don't know. Best regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Den 18 april 2012 18:19 skrev Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com: Den 18 april 2012 02:12 skrev Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:48:22 +0100 Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie wrote: Doug: Using the compose key, the default settings are: dash (em rule) --- en rule: --. How do you do that if your system (openSuSE 12.1) only allows two (2) key composition? Thanks, Tom I have had OpenSUSE some years back (I think it was 11.3 or something), but unfortunately I didn't test this… However, this page doesn't say anything about that the compose key behaviour is depending on your GNU/Linux-distribution, so I thought this was true for all of them. Forgot to include the link to ”this page”… sorry… :D Here it is: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html Maybe it's a Gnome thing and you have the KDE version of OpenSUSE? Well, I don't think so, but I use Gnome only, so I don't know. Best regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Even Micro$oft Windoze has keyboards using the AltGr. For a list of available keyboard layouts in Windoze: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964651 An example of a U.S. English (US-International) keyboard layout which uses the AltGr: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/msdn/goglobal/keyboards/kbdusx.html On my main PC (Linux), I use the English-International keyboard as my default layout because a lot of my typing uses words in French, German, and other languages. It is way easier than having to open Character Map, find the desired character, copy it, and paste. AFAIK, all Linux flavours and all Windoze versions have the ability to switch between keyboard layouts. -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:10:18 +0200 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 17 april 2012 22:32 skrev Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:09:31 +0200 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 16 april 2012 22:36 skrev Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie: Regina wrote: They are usually written via AutoCorrect. The simple hyphen is replaced with the en-dash or em-dash when the following word is finished . . . That is _not_ a good idea. The hyphen, en rule and em rule (dash) are distinct characters with distinct uses in conventional typography and typesetting. Their correct use cannot be predicted by context, nor are they interchangeable. You need to find out where these characters are in the character set you are using. This depends on your operating system, your language, and your keyboard layout. As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise your keyboard layout, That's actually what I did (called ”Sweden Johnny Rosenberg”, available on my computers only…), but I didn't mention it because I thought it could be a bit tricky… I have the en-dash at AltGr+- and the em-dash at AltGr+Shift+-. I also did a lot of other modification, like removed all my numbers from the first row (I already have them on the num pad to the right – why have them at more than one place?) and moved some Shift+number combinations so I don't need Shift for characters like ”!#%/” and so on. I even made labels to put on my keys, but most of them was worn out after a couple of weeks of typing… To change the layout (or rather add a new one in this case), you need to fiddle with three files (at least in Ubuntu): /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst, /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml and /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/the file representing your language, more on that another time… Ok, this was a bit off topic… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!). You could, as Johnny suggests, create your own auto-correct sequences, but personally I would avoid all such contrivances. Auto-correct is _not_ your friend. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Hi Johnny; Out of curiosity, what is AltGr+ ? Alt is of course the Alt key on the keyboard but which key is Gr? My keyboard (an old IBM windows model) doesn't have such a key. Thanks, Tom I saw that someone already answered, but I'll reply anyway. The ”+” does only mean that the key is hold. So Alt+Shift+x means that Alt, Shift and x is pressed simultaneously, or at least that no key is released before the other keys is pressed. The compose key doesn't work that way, therefore no ”+” sign: ”Compose --.” means ”hit the Compose key, release it, then type --.”. snip Hi Johnny ;) The problem with the above is that in openSuSE the compose key only allows two (2) keystroke combinations, not three (3). Compose -./-- do not insert anything. To me, this is just a point of education as I don't use dash m/n in my writing. Just trying to learn a bit. Thanks for any further explanation. Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSUSE 12.1x86_64 openSUSE 12.2x86_64 KDE 4.6.00, FF 7.0 KDE 4.7.2, FF 11.0 claws-mail 3.8.0 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters (added)
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:10:18 +0200 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 17 april 2012 22:32 skrev Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:09:31 +0200 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 16 april 2012 22:36 skrev Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie: Regina wrote: They are usually written via AutoCorrect. The simple hyphen is replaced with the en-dash or em-dash when the following word is finished . . . That is _not_ a good idea. The hyphen, en rule and em rule (dash) are distinct characters with distinct uses in conventional typography and typesetting. Their correct use cannot be predicted by context, nor are they interchangeable. You need to find out where these characters are in the character set you are using. This depends on your operating system, your language, and your keyboard layout. As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise your keyboard layout, That's actually what I did (called ”Sweden Johnny Rosenberg”, available on my computers only…), but I didn't mention it because I thought it could be a bit tricky… I have the en-dash at AltGr+- and the em-dash at AltGr+Shift+-. I also did a lot of other modification, like removed all my numbers from the first row (I already have them on the num pad to the right – why have them at more than one place?) and moved some Shift+number combinations so I don't need Shift for characters like ”!#%/” and so on. I even made labels to put on my keys, but most of them was worn out after a couple of weeks of typing… To change the layout (or rather add a new one in this case), you need to fiddle with three files (at least in Ubuntu): /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst, /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml and /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/the file representing your language, more on that another time… Ok, this was a bit off topic… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!). You could, as Johnny suggests, create your own auto-correct sequences, but personally I would avoid all such contrivances. Auto-correct is _not_ your friend. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Hi Johnny; Out of curiosity, what is AltGr+ ? Alt is of course the Alt key on the keyboard but which key is Gr? My keyboard (an old IBM windows model) doesn't have such a key. Thanks, Tom I saw that someone already answered, but I'll reply anyway. The ”+” does only mean that the key is hold. So Alt+Shift+x means that Alt, Shift and x is pressed simultaneously, or at least that no key is released before the other keys is pressed. The compose key doesn't work that way, therefore no ”+” sign: ”Compose --.” means ”hit the Compose key, release it, then type --.”. snip Hi Johnny ;) The problem with the above is that in openSuSE the compose key only allows two (2) keystroke combinations, not three (3). Compose -./-- do not insert anything. To me, this is just a point of education as I don't use dash m/n in my writing. Just trying to learn a bit. Thanks for any further explanation. Tom After some trial and error I find that three key combinations work in some applications but not in others. They do work in LO but not when immediately adjacent. Thanks for your help. Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSUSE 12.1x86_64 openSUSE 12.2x86_64 KDE 4.6.00, FF 7.0 KDE 4.7.2, FF 11.0 claws-mail 3.8.0 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
On 04/18/2012 12:19 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Den 18 april 2012 02:12 skrev Thomas Taylorli...@comcast.net: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:48:22 +0100 Séamas Ó Brógáins...@iol.ie wrote: Doug: Using the compose key, the default settings are: dash (em rule) --- en rule:--. How do you do that if your system (openSuSE 12.1) only allows two (2) key composition? Thanks, Tom I have had OpenSUSE some years back (I think it was 11.3 or something), but unfortunately I didn't test this… However, this page doesn't say anything about that the compose key behaviour is depending on your GNU/Linux-distribution, so I thought this was true for all of them. Maybe it's a Gnome thing and you have the KDE version of OpenSUSE? Well, I don't think so, but I use Gnome only, so I don't know. Best regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ Using PCLinuxOS with KDE and the 3-key thing works fine here. If you're testing it, you may need to go to a program that uses a variable width font, like Times-Roman. (I tired it in LO.) --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
On 04/18/2012 01:30 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:10:18 +0200 Johnny Rosenberggurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 17 april 2012 22:32 skrev Thomas Taylorli...@comcast.net: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:09:31 +0200 Johnny Rosenberggurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 16 april 2012 22:36 skrev Séamas Ó Brógáins...@iol.ie: Regina wrote: They are usually written via AutoCorrect. The simple hyphen is replaced with the en-dash or em-dash when the following word is finished . . . That is _not_ a good idea. The hyphen, en rule and em rule (dash) are distinct characters with distinct uses in conventional typography and typesetting. Their correct use cannot be predicted by context, nor are they interchangeable. You need to find out where these characters are in the character set you are using. This depends on your operating system, your language, and your keyboard layout. As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise your keyboard layout, That's actually what I did (called ”Sweden Johnny Rosenberg”, available on my computers only…), but I didn't mention it because I thought it could be a bit tricky… I have the en-dash at AltGr+- and the em-dash at AltGr+Shift+-. I also did a lot of other modification, like removed all my numbers from the first row (I already have them on the num pad to the right – why have them at more than one place?) and moved some Shift+number combinations so I don't need Shift for characters like ”!#%/” and so on. I even made labels to put on my keys, but most of them was worn out after a couple of weeks of typing… To change the layout (or rather add a new one in this case), you need to fiddle with three files (at least in Ubuntu): /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst, /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml and /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/the file representing your language, more on that another time… Ok, this was a bit off topic… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!). You could, as Johnny suggests, create your own auto-correct sequences, but personally I would avoid all such contrivances. Auto-correct is _not_ your friend. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Hi Johnny; Out of curiosity, what is AltGr+ ? Alt is of course the Alt key on the keyboard but which key is Gr? My keyboard (an old IBM windows model) doesn't have such a key. Thanks, Tom I saw that someone already answered, but I'll reply anyway. The ”+” does only mean that the key is hold. So Alt+Shift+x means that Alt, Shift and x is pressed simultaneously, or at least that no key is released before the other keys is pressed. The compose key doesn't work that way, therefore no ”+” sign: ”Compose --.” means ”hit the Compose key, release it, then type --.”. snip Hi Johnny ;) The problem with the above is that in openSuSE the compose key only allows two (2) keystroke combinations, not three (3). Compose -./-- do not insert anything. To me, this is just a point of education as I don't use dash m/n in my writing. Just trying to learn a bit. Thanks for any further explanation. Tom I should think that a bug report to OpenSuse is in order! --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Hi :) It is quite possible that openSuSE don't allow 3 character sequences. They are one of the longest running distros that are still active and they tend to go their own way. I get the impression they aim slightly more at corporate users and offer better traditional forms of tech-support which Canonical are also trying to add on as options in their support. Apparently openSuSE contribute something like 25% of LO coding work! A fantastic and much appreciated organisation :))) Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 18/4/12, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: From: Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 18 April, 2012, 19:38 On 04/18/2012 01:30 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:10:18 +0200 Johnny Rosenberggurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 17 april 2012 22:32 skrev Thomas Taylorli...@comcast.net: On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:09:31 +0200 Johnny Rosenberggurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 16 april 2012 22:36 skrev Séamas Ó Brógáins...@iol.ie: Regina wrote: They are usually written via AutoCorrect. The simple hyphen is replaced with the en-dash or em-dash when the following word is finished . . . That is _not_ a good idea. The hyphen, en rule and em rule (dash) are distinct characters with distinct uses in conventional typography and typesetting. Their correct use cannot be predicted by context, nor are they interchangeable. You need to find out where these characters are in the character set you are using. This depends on your operating system, your language, and your keyboard layout. As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise your keyboard layout, That's actually what I did (called ”Sweden Johnny Rosenberg”, available on my computers only…), but I didn't mention it because I thought it could be a bit tricky… I have the en-dash at AltGr+- and the em-dash at AltGr+Shift+-. I also did a lot of other modification, like removed all my numbers from the first row (I already have them on the num pad to the right – why have them at more than one place?) and moved some Shift+number combinations so I don't need Shift for characters like ”!#%/” and so on. I even made labels to put on my keys, but most of them was worn out after a couple of weeks of typing… To change the layout (or rather add a new one in this case), you need to fiddle with three files (at least in Ubuntu): /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst, /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml and /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/the file representing your language, more on that another time… Ok, this was a bit off topic… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!). You could, as Johnny suggests, create your own auto-correct sequences, but personally I would avoid all such contrivances. Auto-correct is _not_ your friend. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Hi Johnny; Out of curiosity, what is AltGr+ ? Alt is of course the Alt key on the keyboard but which key is Gr? My keyboard (an old IBM windows model) doesn't have such a key. Thanks, Tom I saw that someone already answered, but I'll reply anyway. The ”+” does only mean that the key is hold. So Alt+Shift+x means that Alt, Shift and x is pressed simultaneously, or at least that no key is released before the other keys is pressed. The compose key doesn't work that way, therefore no ”+” sign: ”Compose --.” means ”hit the Compose key, release it, then type --.”. snip Hi Johnny ;) The problem with the above is that in openSuSE the compose key only allows two (2) keystroke combinations, not three (3). Compose -./-- do not insert anything. To me, this is just a point of education as I don't use dash m/n in my writing. Just trying to learn a bit. Thanks for any further explanation. Tom I should think that a bug report to OpenSuse is in order! --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Doug: Using the compose key, the default settings are: dash (em rule) --- en rule:--. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:09:31 +0200 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 16 april 2012 22:36 skrev Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie: Regina wrote: They are usually written via AutoCorrect. The simple hyphen is replaced with the en-dash or em-dash when the following word is finished . . . That is _not_ a good idea. The hyphen, en rule and em rule (dash) are distinct characters with distinct uses in conventional typography and typesetting. Their correct use cannot be predicted by context, nor are they interchangeable. You need to find out where these characters are in the character set you are using. This depends on your operating system, your language, and your keyboard layout. As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise your keyboard layout, That's actually what I did (called ”Sweden Johnny Rosenberg”, available on my computers only…), but I didn't mention it because I thought it could be a bit tricky… I have the en-dash at AltGr+- and the em-dash at AltGr+Shift+-. I also did a lot of other modification, like removed all my numbers from the first row (I already have them on the num pad to the right – why have them at more than one place?) and moved some Shift+number combinations so I don't need Shift for characters like ”!#%/” and so on. I even made labels to put on my keys, but most of them was worn out after a couple of weeks of typing… To change the layout (or rather add a new one in this case), you need to fiddle with three files (at least in Ubuntu): /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst, /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml and /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/the file representing your language, more on that another time… Ok, this was a bit off topic… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!). You could, as Johnny suggests, create your own auto-correct sequences, but personally I would avoid all such contrivances. Auto-correct is _not_ your friend. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Hi Johnny; Out of curiosity, what is AltGr+ ? Alt is of course the Alt key on the keyboard but which key is Gr? My keyboard (an old IBM windows model) doesn't have such a key. Thanks, Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSUSE 12.1x86_64 openSUSE 12.2x86_64 KDE 4.6.00, FF 7.0 KDE 4.7.2, FF 11.0 claws-mail 3.8.0 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Hi :) AltGr is the Alt key on the right of the space-bar. You probably just haven't noticed the Gr bit before. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 17/4/12, Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net wrote: From: Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 21:32 On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:09:31 +0200 Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: Den 16 april 2012 22:36 skrev Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie: Regina wrote: They are usually written via AutoCorrect. The simple hyphen is replaced with the en-dash or em-dash when the following word is finished . . . That is _not_ a good idea. The hyphen, en rule and em rule (dash) are distinct characters with distinct uses in conventional typography and typesetting. Their correct use cannot be predicted by context, nor are they interchangeable. You need to find out where these characters are in the character set you are using. This depends on your operating system, your language, and your keyboard layout. As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise your keyboard layout, That's actually what I did (called ”Sweden Johnny Rosenberg”, available on my computers only…), but I didn't mention it because I thought it could be a bit tricky… I have the en-dash at AltGr+- and the em-dash at AltGr+Shift+-. I also did a lot of other modification, like removed all my numbers from the first row (I already have them on the num pad to the right – why have them at more than one place?) and moved some Shift+number combinations so I don't need Shift for characters like ”!#%/” and so on. I even made labels to put on my keys, but most of them was worn out after a couple of weeks of typing… To change the layout (or rather add a new one in this case), you need to fiddle with three files (at least in Ubuntu): /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst, /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml and /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/the file representing your language, more on that another time… Ok, this was a bit off topic… Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!). You could, as Johnny suggests, create your own auto-correct sequences, but personally I would avoid all such contrivances. Auto-correct is _not_ your friend. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Hi Johnny; Out of curiosity, what is AltGr+ ? Alt is of course the Alt key on the keyboard but which key is Gr? My keyboard (an old IBM windows model) doesn't have such a key. Thanks, Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSUSE 12.1x86_64 openSUSE 12.2x86_64 KDE 4.6.00, FF 7.0 KDE 4.7.2, FF 11.0 claws-mail 3.8.0 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:48:22 +0100 Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie wrote: Doug: Using the compose key, the default settings are: dash (em rule) --- en rule:--. How do you do that if your system (openSuSE 12.1) only allows two (2) key composition? Thanks, Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSUSE 12.1x86_64 openSUSE 12.2x86_64 KDE 4.6.00, FF 7.0 KDE 4.7.2, FF 11.0 claws-mail 3.8.0 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Den 16 april 2012 18:16 skrev e-letter inp...@gmail.com: Readers, The dialogue window 'insert special character' does not show easily en-dash (–) and em-dash (—), so had to use the unicode values (e.g. ctrl+2013). Is there another way to select these types of characters within LO? LO334 You didn't mention your operating system, but if you are on GNU/Linux you can use the compose key. Yes, I know it's not WITHIN LibreOffice, but still… Compose --. → – (en-dash) Compose --- → — (em-dash) The en-dash is usually created automatically by the auto correction functionality, for example ”this - that” is automatically converted to ”this – that”. I'm not sure about the em-dash though. You can easily create new abbreviations for auto correct, for example making ” —” out of ” --- ” and so on. Best regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
Regina wrote: They are usually written via AutoCorrect. The simple hyphen is replaced with the en-dash or em-dash when the following word is finished . . . That is _not_ a good idea. The hyphen, en rule and em rule (dash) are distinct characters with distinct uses in conventional typography and typesetting. Their correct use cannot be predicted by context, nor are they interchangeable. You need to find out where these characters are in the character set you are using. This depends on your operating system, your language, and your keyboard layout. As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise your keyboard layout, so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!). You could, as Johnny suggests, create your own auto-correct sequences, but personally I would avoid all such contrivances. Auto-correct is _not_ your friend. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
On 16/04/2012, Séamas Ó Brógáin s...@iol.ie wrote: Regina wrote: They are usually written via AutoCorrect. The simple hyphen is replaced with the en-dash or em-dash when the following word is finished . . . That is _not_ a good idea. The hyphen, en rule and em rule (dash) are distinct characters with distinct uses in conventional typography and typesetting. Their correct use cannot be predicted by context, nor are they interchangeable. Agreed; why using auto-correct feature of LO is _not_ wanted. You need to find out where these characters are in the character set you are using. This depends on your operating system, your language, and your keyboard layout. After a quick search, seems that xorg.conf file needs to be found and edited for a computer using xfce dvorak English keyboard. As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise your keyboard layout, so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!). Thanks for the offer, but for now, will use 'charmap' and after much repetition remember to use the unicode value! :) This does seem to be a weakness with the dialogue window 'insert special character'. It does not show a definition of each character that may be selected from the particular character set. For example in 'charmap' the character 'small ligature ae' (æ) is described in the dialogue window with the unicode value, yet in LO, only the unicode value is shown. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] select en-dash and em-dash characters
On 04/16/2012 06:24 PM, e-letter wrote: On 16/04/2012, Séamas Ó Brógáins...@iol.ie wrote: /snip/ As Johnny pointed out, they can be entered with the compose key. If you use them so often that even this is too cumbersome you can customise your keyboard layout, so that (for example) compose-hyphen gets you the en rule and shift-compose-hyphen gets you the dash (em rule). If you want to do this I will help you (but only if you use GNU/Linux!). /snip/ Please tell me what keystrokes produce the m-dash and n-dash using the compose key. I don't remember seeing these in compose-key tables. (I do use compose to get foreign characters, money symbols, fractions, etc.) US standard keyboard with compose added--rt-ctrl. --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
