Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Toki]

Zahra wrote:

>also for me who use nvda screen reader can use preview in web browser,
select all the document and nvda says the number of characters for me.

Compare the number of characters that Write says the document has, with
the number of characters that NVDA says the document has.


jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[zahra a]

hello.
i am still not familiar with impress, but did you try using tools menu
word count?
for me in writer, it says character and word count, also the amount of pages.

also for me who use nvda screen reader can use preview in web browser,
select all the document and nvda says the number of characters for me.
God bless you!

On 10/5/17, Toki  wrote:
> On 10/04/2017 12:20 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
>
>> The _*number of words*_ (or the number of original (Japanese) characters)
>> defines how much money I get.
>
> Are you paid by the number of Japanese characters, or the number of
> words in the target language? If the latter, what is the definition of a
> word, according to the contract?
>
>> (from the Libreoffice Help page:
>> How does LibreOffice count words?
>> In general, every string of characters between two spaces is a word.
>> Dashes, tabs, line breaks, and paragraph breaks are word limits, too.)
>
> Is that the definition of word, according to your contract?
> (If it is, you are leaving a lot of money on the table.)
>
>> All I need to know is the number of words - counted in a way that is
>> reproducible, since the translation agency will have its own opinion about
>> that.
>
> This why, when accepting contracts that pay by the word, the word "word"
> is defined, and the method of counting words is specified.
>
> jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Toki]

On 10/04/2017 12:20 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

> The _*number of words*_ (or the number of original (Japanese) characters) 
> defines how much money I get.

Are you paid by the number of Japanese characters, or the number of
words in the target language? If the latter, what is the definition of a
word, according to the contract?

> (from the Libreoffice Help page:
> How does LibreOffice count words?
> In general, every string of characters between two spaces is a word.
> Dashes, tabs, line breaks, and paragraph breaks are word limits, too.)

Is that the definition of word, according to your contract?
(If it is, you are leaving a lot of money on the table.)

> All I need to know is the number of words - counted in a way that is  
> reproducible, since the translation agency will have its own opinion about 
> that.

This why, when accepting contracts that pay by the word, the word "word"
is defined, and the method of counting words is specified.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

If you are using Writer, export as text file.

See "6 WC Command Examples to Count Number of Lines, Words, Characters  
in Linux" at https://www.tecmint.com/wc-command-examples/


If on Windows, also see "GNU utilities for Win32" at  
http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/


Hope this helps.

Hope this helps
On 10/2/2017 12:13 PM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

Good evening
It happens once in a while .. I have to work (translate) PPT files for  
which I use Impress and then need to know the number of words.

In the entire file.
So far I could not figure out, whether there is a way to count all  
words in an Impress file.
(A similar question posted on the net somewhere was "closed, because  
it is irrelevant" ???)


Today I found, that one can get a word count in the real PPT by  
looking at properties.


Is there such a trick for Impress?

Thank you.
Thomas




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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[zed]

Toki  wrote:

> On 10/03/2017 07:46 AM, Krunose wrote:
> > And yes, seams something wrong with word count of html documents
> > opened in Writer. My test document has 62 words. Saved it as html,
> > opened it in Writer, counter says 70. But when I count by hand - still
> > 62 words on screen.
> 
> This gets into what constitutes a word. Definitions here are crucial. In
> your example, you gave both 62 and 70 as options. * If the 70 is based
> upon a printer's word, then there are 84 words, as counted by typists; *
> If the 70 is based upon a typist's word, then there are 58 words, as
> counted by printers; * If the 70 is based upon one of the other
> definitions of a word, then there are at least two more equally
> legitimate values that _accurately_ state the number of words in the
> text;
> 
> Getting back to Thomas' issue. How does the contract in question define
> "word"?  Once that is known, then an explanation of how to accurately
> determine the number of words in the Impress file can be provided.

When I learnt touch typing, way back in the '60s,  the average word was
deemed to be five keystrokes, e.g. the word "thaw+hittingn the spacebar"
counted as a word for  determining "words per minute typed. And, of
course, a word such as "costumier+spacebar" would count as two words, etc.

Zed 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Thomas Blasejewicz]

On 2017/10/04 2:38, Toki wrote:

On 10/02/2017 04:13 PM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:


(A similar question posted on the net somewhere was "closed, because it is 
irrelevant" ???)

I'll hazard an explanation, without looking at the specific question so
closed.

b) For presentations, regardless of how "word" is defined, words are not
fundamental to the final product. What matters is the aesthetics of each
frame, and the number of frames within the presentation. As such, words
are irrelevant;

Well, I do not want to be rude, but words (= their number) ***ARE***  
fundamental to the (my) final product.
As I said, I am given PPT files (I hate to work with those!!!) to  
TRANSLATE the content.
The _*number of words*_ (or the number of original (Japanese)  
characters) defines how much money I get.
I do not care about the "looks" of the file (or academic definitions of  
"word").


(from the Libreoffice Help page:
How does LibreOffice count words?
In general, every string of characters between two spaces is a word.  
Dashes, tabs, line breaks, and paragraph breaks are word limits, too.)


All I need to know is the number of words - counted in a way that is  
reproducible, since the translation agency will have its own opinion  
about that.

Thank you
Thomas

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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[jorge Rodríguez]

Hi all:

    I really don't know how count the words the programs that do it ... 
but to be sense, a word has to be a "character or group of characters 
that has meaning by it self"


    As this, a number has meaning by it self, the special character has 
meaning by it self, a ";" doesn't have a meaning by it self because it 
is a grammar character to input to reader takes a breath and change a 
little about the topic is going on in the paragraph. And so on.


    But if the program take for example ";" as a word because it is a 
character, it is wrong to consider a literal translation but in the 
context the translator it would be taken because he has to build the 
translation using it to make a meaning of the translate.


    I think, to clear this topic, it is necessary that the translator 
think how to take some characters like ";", and investigate with the 
programmers of each program like Writer and Gedit, how they make the 
algorithm to count to be sure that he is taken the right quantity when 
is using those programs to his job.


    I hope this help,

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez


El 03/10/2017 a las 11:38, Toki escribió:

On 10/02/2017 04:13 PM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:


(A similar question posted on the net somewhere was "closed, because it is 
irrelevant" ???)

I'll hazard an explanation, without looking at the specific question so
closed.

a) There are four different ways to count the number of words in a text.
   Without knowing which definition was used for the term "
count the number of words", any formula that is used is going to provide
the wrong answer.

b) For presentations, regardless of how "word" is defined, words are not
fundamental to the final product. What matters is the aesthetics of each
frame, and the number of frames within the presentation. As such, words
are irrelevant;

c) There reason 10-20-30 is a law, is why frames should not contain words;

jonathon




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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Toki]

On 10/03/2017 05:26 PM, Krunose wrote:

> Writer shouldn't show different word count for odt file and different for 
> docx file. Same for plain text and HTML.

This gets into when presentation markup, structural markup, and
syntactical markup are treated as words that are explicitly content, and
when they are ignored, because they are background noise.

Think of it this way.
* Is white space background noise, or significant content?

If the algorithm treats white space as background noise, it will produce
a different count, than if treats white space as significant content.

One other potential issue, is legitimate, explicit content, being
flagged as background noise, because it contains a sub-string that can
be confused with markup.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Toki]

On 10/02/2017 04:13 PM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

> (A similar question posted on the net somewhere was "closed, because it is 
> irrelevant" ???)

I'll hazard an explanation, without looking at the specific question so
closed.

a) There are four different ways to count the number of words in a text.
  Without knowing which definition was used for the term "
count the number of words", any formula that is used is going to provide
the wrong answer.

b) For presentations, regardless of how "word" is defined, words are not
fundamental to the final product. What matters is the aesthetics of each
frame, and the number of frames within the presentation. As such, words
are irrelevant;

c) There reason 10-20-30 is a law, is why frames should not contain words;

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Krunose]

On 03.10.2017 19:13, Toki wrote:

On 10/03/2017 07:46 AM, Krunose wrote:

And yes, seams something wrong with word count of html documents opened
in Writer. My test document has 62 words. Saved it as html, opened it in
Writer, counter says 70. But when I count by hand - still 62 words on
screen.

This gets into what constitutes a word. Definitions here are crucial.
In your example, you gave both 62 and 70 as options.
* If the 70 is based upon a printer's word, then there are 84 words, as
counted by typists;
* If the 70 is based upon a typist's word, then there are 58 words, as
counted by printers;
* If the 70 is based upon one of the other definitions of a word, then
there are at least two more equally legitimate values that _accurately_
state the number of words in the text;

Getting back to Thomas' issue. How does the contract in question define
"word"?  Once that is known, then an explanation of how to accurately
determine the number of words in the Impress file can be provided.

jonathon


I understand how mismatch in word count can happen by different  
definition on what word is, but how _same software_ can show different  
word count for HTML file and different for text file base only on file  
format (basically both plain text). HTML doesn't do anything what would  
change definition of a word thus mismatch in word count shouldn't be  
happening.


Writer shouldn't show different word count for odt file and different  
for docx file. Same for plain text and HTML.


Feel free to correct me as I want to understand this better.

Thanks,
Kruno










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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Toki]

On 10/03/2017 07:46 AM, Krunose wrote:
> And yes, seams something wrong with word count of html documents opened
> in Writer. My test document has 62 words. Saved it as html, opened it in
> Writer, counter says 70. But when I count by hand - still 62 words on
> screen.

This gets into what constitutes a word. Definitions here are crucial.
In your example, you gave both 62 and 70 as options.
* If the 70 is based upon a printer's word, then there are 84 words, as
counted by typists;
* If the 70 is based upon a typist's word, then there are 58 words, as
counted by printers;
* If the 70 is based upon one of the other definitions of a word, then
there are at least two more equally legitimate values that _accurately_
state the number of words in the text;

Getting back to Thomas' issue. How does the contract in question define
"word"?  Once that is known, then an explanation of how to accurately
determine the number of words in the Impress file can be provided.

jonathon




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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Philip Jackson]

On 03/10/17 01:01, jorge Rodríguez wrote:
> Hi Thomas:
> 
>         I think that I have a solution using GNU / Linux Ubuntu, or
> maybe the solution it would be able with other program similar that you
> can find:
> 
>     1) Install the program: gpdftext (GTK+ text editor for ebook PDF
> files, gpdftext opens a simple text-based PDF file, typically
> intended for reading on an ebook reader and loads the text into a text
> editor window, autoformatting the text for long lines and paragraph breaks.
> gpdftext is useful when the downloaded PDF uses a small font or wastes a
> lot of space in the margins so that a plain text file would display in a
> more comfortable font. gpdftext supports spell checking and editor font
> selection
> and can save ASCII content as PDF.) Web site:
> https://sourceforge.net/directory/os:linux/?q=gpdftext
> 
>     2) Save the Impress Presentation in .pdf format
> 
>     3) Open the Impress Presentation with gpdftext
> 
>     4) gpdftext convert the .pdf document in simple format text
> 
>     5) Save the document as .txt
> 
>     6) Open the document with Writer an use the tool that it has: Menu->
> Word Count

Thank you Jorge for bringing gpdftext to my attention. Amazing how one
can still find new tools within systems already in use since several years.

I hope the OP doesn't require too high a level of precision in his count
of the words. I just tested a pdf file with gpdftest. Then I opened it
in gedit [a text editor which provides stats] which gave me 553 words.

Then I tried Writer and it gave 567 words. OK - that is not a large
discrepancy and there again the document was very small but 2 1/2% could
be significant.

The only stat that gedit and Writer did agree on was the number of
characters excluding spaces.

Philip

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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Krunose]

On 03.10.2017 07:41, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

On 2017/10/03 4:03, Krunose wrote:

On 02.10.2017 18:13, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

Good evening
It happens once in a while .. I have to work (translate) PPT files  
for which I use Impress and then need to know the number of words.

In the entire file.
So far I could not figure out, whether there is a way to count all  
words in an Impress file.
(A similar question posted on the net somewhere was "closed, because  
it is irrelevant" ???)


Today I found, that one can get a word count in the real PPT by  
looking at properties.


Is there such a trick for Impress?

Thank you.
Thomas



I don't know about better solution but you could save presentation as  
html (as one file) and then open that file in Writer.


Could this work for you?

Kruno

Under "save as" I cannot find anything resembling "html", so the file  
has to be "exported" as xhtml.

But THAT give you all that computer language, which will NOT! be paid.


Well, shouldn't be like that :) ODT file format is also markup and  
Writer doesn't include that to word count when you edit odt files.  
Writer reads (x)html so it should not count markup tags. If it does -  
it's Writer's fault. It's problem with counter or with Writer's  
capabilities in reading (x)html. Shouldn't be like that




So the count for a test file I opened should be somewhere around 30  
pages (translation), but the word/character count

in Writer gives a count like 350 pages.


That's problem with page brakes, not words (or word count). I can spread  
30 words on 30 pages or have them all on one page, but that should still  
be 30 words.



If the companies would pay me that much, that would be wonderfull,  
however that is unfortunately not how the world works ...


When I export it as html, I get a count of 52 words. That is obviously  
not correct either.


And yes, seams something wrong with word count of html documents opened  
in Writer. My test document has 62 words. Saved it as html, opened it in  
Writer, counter says 70. But when I count by hand - still 62 words on  
screen.


What you can do now is save that as plain text and then reopen in  
Writer. That _will_ give you correct word count.


Jorge's solution is better but complicated for that much.

There must be some software you can obtain without fees and legally that  
can do word count on HTML files as that would save you trouble of  
endless re-saving in different formats.




Apparently, this does not work.


I'll argue it does :D

Kruno



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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Dries Feys]

Hi,

Save as pdf, and send it through this (or a similar) tool :
http://www.montereylanguages.com/pdf-word-count-online-free-tool.html

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
CORPORATE SERVICES • Incident Manager



On 3 October 2017 at 07:41, Thomas Blasejewicz  wrote:
> On 2017/10/03 4:03, Krunose wrote:
>>
>> On 02.10.2017 18:13, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
>>>
>>> Good evening
>>> It happens once in a while .. I have to work (translate) PPT files for
>>> which I use Impress and then need to know the number of words.
>>> In the entire file.
>>> So far I could not figure out, whether there is a way to count all words
>>> in an Impress file.
>>> (A similar question posted on the net somewhere was "closed, because it
>>> is irrelevant" ???)
>>>
>>> Today I found, that one can get a word count in the real PPT by looking
>>> at properties.
>>>
>>> Is there such a trick for Impress?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about better solution but you could save presentation as html
>> (as one file) and then open that file in Writer.
>>
>> Could this work for you?
>>
>> Kruno
>>
> Under "save as" I cannot find anything resembling "html", so the file has to
> be "exported" as xhtml.
> But THAT give you all that computer language, which will NOT! be paid.
> So the count for a test file I opened should be somewhere around 30 pages
> (translation), but the word/character count
> in Writer gives a count like 350 pages.
> If the companies would pay me that much, that would be wonderfull, however
> that is unfortunately not how the world works ...
>
> When I export it as html, I get a count of 52 words. That is obviously not
> correct either.
>
> Apparently, this does not work.
> Thomas
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Thomas Blasejewicz]

On 2017/10/03 4:03, Krunose wrote:

On 02.10.2017 18:13, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

Good evening
It happens once in a while .. I have to work (translate) PPT files  
for which I use Impress and then need to know the number of words.

In the entire file.
So far I could not figure out, whether there is a way to count all  
words in an Impress file.
(A similar question posted on the net somewhere was "closed, because  
it is irrelevant" ???)


Today I found, that one can get a word count in the real PPT by  
looking at properties.


Is there such a trick for Impress?

Thank you.
Thomas



I don't know about better solution but you could save presentation as  
html (as one file) and then open that file in Writer.


Could this work for you?

Kruno

Under "save as" I cannot find anything resembling "html", so the file  
has to be "exported" as xhtml.

But THAT give you all that computer language, which will NOT! be paid.
So the count for a test file I opened should be somewhere around 30  
pages (translation), but the word/character count

in Writer gives a count like 350 pages.
If the companies would pay me that much, that would be wonderfull,  
however that is unfortunately not how the world works ...


When I export it as html, I get a count of 52 words. That is obviously  
not correct either.


Apparently, this does not work.
Thomas

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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[jorge Rodríguez]

Hi Thomas:

        I think that I have a solution using GNU / Linux Ubuntu, or 
maybe the solution it would be able with other program similar that you 
can find:


    1) Install the program: gpdftext (GTK+ text editor for ebook PDF 
files, gpdftext opens a simple text-based PDF file, typically
intended for reading on an ebook reader and loads the text into a text 
editor window, autoformatting the text for long lines and paragraph breaks.
gpdftext is useful when the downloaded PDF uses a small font or wastes a 
lot of space in the margins so that a plain text file would display in a 
more comfortable font. gpdftext supports spell checking and editor font 
selection
and can save ASCII content as PDF.) Web site: 
https://sourceforge.net/directory/os:linux/?q=gpdftext


    2) Save the Impress Presentation in .pdf format

    3) Open the Impress Presentation with gpdftext

    4) gpdftext convert the .pdf document in simple format text

    5) Save the document as .txt

    6) Open the document with Writer an use the tool that it has: 
Menu-> Word Count


I hope this help,

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez


El 02/10/2017 a las 10:13, Thomas Blasejewicz escribió:

Good evening
It happens once in a while .. I have to work (translate) PPT files for 
which I use Impress and then need to know the number of words.

In the entire file.
So far I could not figure out, whether there is a way to count all 
words in an Impress file.
(A similar question posted on the net somewhere was "closed, because 
it is irrelevant" ???)


Today I found, that one can get a word count in the real PPT by 
looking at properties.


Is there such a trick for Impress?

Thank you.
Thomas




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Re: [libreoffice-users] word count in impress

[Krunose]

On 02.10.2017 18:13, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

Good evening
It happens once in a while .. I have to work (translate) PPT files for  
which I use Impress and then need to know the number of words.

In the entire file.
So far I could not figure out, whether there is a way to count all  
words in an Impress file.
(A similar question posted on the net somewhere was "closed, because  
it is irrelevant" ???)


Today I found, that one can get a word count in the real PPT by  
looking at properties.


Is there such a trick for Impress?

Thank you.
Thomas



I don't know about better solution but you could save presentation as  
html (as one file) and then open that file in Writer.


Could this work for you?

Kruno

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