Re: Dual boot failure after Windows update?

[Tim via users]

Matthew Saltzman:
> > > Microsoft's August security update included a patch to prevent
> > > vulnerable GRUB2 (susceptible to bypassing UEFI secure boot)
> > > installations from booting. 

Tim:
> > Hmm, would they prevent their own system from booting if it had (yet
> > another) security flaw?
> > 
> > Perhaps they should.

Dave Close:
> There are various kinds of security. Consider that cars these days are
> basically phones on wheels. Software is updated over the air without
> the user even being aware. How would you like to own a car with a
> security flaw that prevented it from starting when you were trying to
> evacuate from a wildfire?

You're comparing apples and oranges.  I was comparing apples and
apples, pun intended.

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Re: Dual boot failure after Windows update?

[Dave Close]

Tim via users wrote:

>> Microsoft's August security update included a patch to prevent
>> vulnerable GRUB2 (susceptible to bypassing UEFI secure boot)
>> installations from booting. 

>Hmm, would they prevent their own system from booting if it had (yet
>another) security flaw?
>
>Perhaps they should.

There are various kinds of security. Consider that cars these days are
basically phones on wheels. Software is updated over the air without
the user even being aware. How would you like to own a car with a
security flaw that prevented it from starting when you were trying to
evacuate from a wildfire?
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Re: Dual boot failure after Windows update?

[Tim via users]

On Fri, 2024-08-30 at 12:53 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> Microsoft's August security update included a patch to prevent
> vulnerable GRUB2 (susceptible to bypassing UEFI secure boot)
> installations from booting. 

Hmm, would they prevent their own system from booting if it had (yet
another) security flaw?

Perhaps they should.
 
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Re: Dual boot failure after Windows update?

[Barry Scott]

> On 30 Aug 2024, at 13:53, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:
> 
> Microsoft's August security update included a patch to prevent
> vulnerable GRUB2 (susceptible to bypassing UEFI secure boot)
> installations from booting. 
> 
> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/08/windows-update-breaking-linux-dualboot-fix
> 
> The update was supposed to not install on already-configured dual boot
> systems, but that apparently failed, so lots of dual-boot systems had
> their Linux boot blocked after the update.
> 
> I wondered if up-to-date Fedora users were affected by this issue.
> Would like to know before I apply Windows updates whether I will need
> to deal with it.
> 
> TIA for any information, experiences.

Fedora is not affected, I understand, because Fedora patched, about 2 years 
ago, soon after the security issue was discovered.

Some distributions have not been updating the installed grub which is why those 
systems were affected.

And as you say Microsoft has a bug in their update that did update the SBAT on 
some dual boot systems.

Barry


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Dual boot failure after Windows update?

[Matthew Saltzman]

Microsoft's August security update included a patch to prevent
vulnerable GRUB2 (susceptible to bypassing UEFI secure boot)
installations from booting. 

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/08/windows-update-breaking-linux-dualboot-fix

The update was supposed to not install on already-configured dual boot
systems, but that apparently failed, so lots of dual-boot systems had
their Linux boot blocked after the update.

I wondered if up-to-date Fedora users were affected by this issue.
Would like to know before I apply Windows updates whether I will need
to deal with it.

TIA for any information, experiences.

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F40 dual-boot problem, was Re: What is Castor ? Att.Jonathan Billings.

[John Pilkington]

On 08/05/2024 21:57, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 5/8/24 1:13 PM, John Pilkington wrote:

On 08/05/2024 20:13, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 5/8/24 10:50 AM, John Pilkington wrote:
The harware was working well, before my recent upgrades from f38, 
briefly to f39 and now to f40.  Then I was using the rpmfusion 470xx 
builds of the nvidia legacy drivers.   Now the dual-boot box has no 
nvidia or nouveau rpms installed  (rpm -qa) although I suppose bits 
of config might remain;  inxi still finds nvidia traces:


Nouveau is included with the kernel, it doesn't have its own package.


xorg-x11-drv-nouveau is supplied by fedora, but I was told that the 
kernel driver was more up to date, so I removed the fformer.


xorg-x11-drv-nouveau is the xorg driver that uses (and requires) the 
kernel driver.  You need both.


llvmpipe means it's using software 3D rendering because it doesn't 
have a 3d hardware driver.


I don't think I want 3D


KDE/wayland uses 3D rendering.


   API: Vulkan v: 1.3.280 drivers: N/A surfaces: xcb,xlib,wayland


$ sudo dmesg | less

[    0.00] Command line: 
BOOT_IMAGE=(hd2,gpt2)/vmlinuz-6.8.8-300.fc40.x86_64 
root=/dev/mapper/fedora_localhost--live-root ro 
rd.driver.blacklist=nvidia modprobe.blacklist=nvidia nomodeset 
resume=/dev/mapper/fedora_localhost--live-swap 
rd.lvm.lv=fedora_localhost-live/root 
rd.lvm.lv=fedora_localhost-live/swap rhgb quiet 
rd.driver.blacklist=nvidia modprobe.blacklist=nvidia nomodeset


There are a lot of duplicates in that list.  If you include 
"nomodeset", then you'll be using the lowest common factor display 
options.  Is there a reason you don't want to use the rpmfusion 
drivers?  It appears that nouveau isn't working for your system, or 
else something is mixed up. You could check the logs for a previous 
boot that didn't work.


I have happily used the rpmfusion builds of 470xx until a few weeks 
ago; but it was said that wayland support was missing, and for some 
time akmods failed to build anyway.  I hoped to be able to use the 
reverse-engineered FOSS drivers.  And a few days ago, after reverting 
to 470xx, kwin_wayland appeared to be running 4 cpu cores at 90% and 
the mouse was unusable.


As far as I know, the NVidia drivers have had Wayland support for a long 
time.  That CPU usage is likely if you're using software 3D rendering. 
You need to sort out what you have installed.


On the linux-only box I have nvidia-gpu-firmware installed.  It may 
not be loading (MythTV says vdpau isn't available) but that system 
currently does the jobs that I want.


My apologies, by the way, for what looks like a hijack.


Yes, you definitely should have started a new thread.


but it seems better to continue here.

On the dual-boot box I have done

"sudo dnf remove *nouveau*", which removed nouveau-firmware and 
xorg-x11-drv-nouveau


"sudo dnf install *470xx*", which pulled in the rpmfusion builds of the 
legacy nvidia driver and updated the kernel command line.  Wayland 
support has been said to start at series 490, which is why I had been 
looking at nouveau.


"sudo dnf upgrade" because things are moving quickly at present.

Now booting goes as expected, giving two screens at their expected 
resolution *BUT* the cursor movement is jerky, keyboard response is very 
slow, and "atop" shows 4 3GHz cores at 99%, for kwin_wayland. 
Ctrl/Alt/F3 is the only way to make progress.


Throughout this saga there have been fleeting complaints about the abrtd 
service.  It's the only one that "systemctl" lists in red.


Ctrl/Alt/F1 says the abrtd.service failed to start and lists Dependency 
issues for four abrtd services.  I haven't investigated more.


In some ways this is progress, but the system is less usable than the 
800x600 nouveau-only form.


{{{

$ inxi -GA

Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA GK208B [GeForce GT 710] driver: nvidia v: 470.239.06
  Device-2: Chicony HP 720p HD Monitor Webcam driver: 
snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo type: USB
  Display: server: X.org v: 1.20.14 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver: X: 
loaded: nvidia
unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa gpu: 
nvidia,nvidia-nvswitch tty: 100x37 resolution:

1: 1360x768 2: 1920x1080
  API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: kms_swrast,nvidia,swrast platforms: 
gbm,wayland,surfaceless,device
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: mesa v: 24.0.6 note: 
console (EGL sourced)
renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 18.1.1 256 bits), NVIDIA GeForce GT 
710/PCIe/SSE2

  API: Vulkan v: 1.3.280 drivers: N/A surfaces: wayland
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio 
driver: snd_hda_intel

  Device-2: NVIDIA GK208 HDMI/DP Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
  Device-3: Chicony HP 720p HD Monitor Webcam driver: 
snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo type: USB
  Device-4: C-Media USB PnP Sound Device driver: 
hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid type: USB

  API: ALSA v: k6.8.8-300.fc40.x86_64 status: kernel-api

Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 7 Dec 2023, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Usually there's a key you can press to get a boot selection menu so you can 
one-time boot from the USB without having to change the boot order.


In my experiencem, external drives come before internal drives anyway.
I've been bitten by this.

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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Felix Miata]

George N. White III composed on 2023-12-07 19:38 (UTC-0400):

> Samuel Sieb wrote:

>> Usually there's a key you can press to get a boot selection menu so you
>> can one-time boot from the USB without having to change the boot order.

> F12 on my Dell systems.  On my desktop the monitor is slow to start (using a
> cheap USBC to HDMI adapter) so I often miss the window when F12 is active.

I have at least one Dell with same issue. Dell is not my only source of such
trouble. I just don't bother waiting before hitting F12 (or F2). I repeat 
hitting
it each second or so until I see ack that menu or setup have been triggered. If 
I
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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[George N. White III]

On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 6:22 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

>
> Usually there's a key you can press to get a boot selection menu so you
> can one-time boot from the USB without having to change the boot order.
>

F12 on my Dell systems.  On my desktop the monitor is slow to start (using
a
cheap USBC to HDMI adapter) so I often miss the window when F12 is active.
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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Samuel Sieb]

On 12/7/23 13:39, Tim Evans wrote:
o    Go into the PC BIOS and disable "Secure Boot." (Apparently, there 
is a workaround that allows you to skip this, but I didn't explore it.)


Did you try without doing this?  It should just work.

o    While in the BIOS, change the boot device order to put your thumb 
drive first (I had the thumb drive inserted when I went into the BIOS 
and it offered it as a boot choice--again, this was Dell's BIOS, so YMMV.


Usually there's a key you can press to get a boot selection menu so you 
can one-time boot from the USB without having to change the boot order.

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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Peter Boy]

> Am 07.12.2023 um 22:39 schrieb Tim Evans :
> 
> Closing the loop on this. Thanks to everyone who replied.  This turned out to 
> be fairly simple, and everyone who replied had something good to add.

Hi Tim and all participants here,

This thread is a permanent and recurring topic. Wouldn't it be useful and 
beneficial to transfer this discussion and your summary into a "Quick Docs" 
document (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/)? Then it would be 
easier for Fedora users to find and easier to upgrade to the next Fedora 
version. 

Could you imagine doing this or working on it together with me? 

(It’s easy using the pagure web based editor)


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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Tim Evans]

On 12/2/23 15:48, Tim Evans wrote:
Brand New Dell XPS 15 coming tomorrow, to replace my venerable Lenovo 
T530.  (Looking forward to something a little lighter to lug around.)


It's been 10 years since I set the T530 up to dual-boot Fedora and Windows.

I'm sure I can figure out how to reduce the size of the Windows 
partition to make space for Fedora, but am unsure of the process for 
current PC BIOS and grub setup for dual boot. Or is the Fedora installer 
smart enough to handle it for me?


Are there docs for this?  Thanks.



Closing the loop on this. Thanks to everyone who replied.  This turned 
out to be fairly simple, and everyone who replied had something good to add.


Process is pretty straightforward:

On Windows:

o	Disable Fast Boot (Control Panel->Hardware and Sound->Power 
Options->System Settings).  This makes it easier for you to get into the 
PC's BIOS, although I had no trouble on the Dell XPS.


o	Shrink the size of the PC's C: drive (assuming you have just one 
drive). Use the Window Disk Management app.


o	Download the Fedora ISO and burn it to a thumb drive using MediaWriter 
or another similar tool like 'Rufus.' Be sure the set the "Target 
System" to "BIOS or UEFI" and the partion scheme to "MBR."


o	Go into the PC BIOS and disable "Secure Boot." (Apparently, there is a 
workaround that allows you to skip this, but I didn't explore it.)


o	While in the BIOS, change the boot device order to put your thumb 
drive first (I had the thumb drive inserted when I went into the BIOS 
and it offered it as a boot choice--again, this was Dell's BIOS, so YMMV.


Once this is done, reboot the PC with the bootable thumb drive in place 
and install Fedora. (I walked through the manaul partition screens to 
make sure the Windows install wouldn't be touched, but could have just 
accepted all the defaults, as it Just Worked.


As noted, all of these items were mentioned by one or another of you in 
your replies; thanks, again.


I did find a number of online doc's for dual booting, as well as several 
You-Tube video tutorials.  The one I followd most closely was at: 
https://www.techhut.tv/how-to-dual-boot-fedora-and-windows-11/

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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[George N. White III]

On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 8:35 AM Neal Becker  wrote:

>
> About 1 yr back I installed fedora onto my wife's dell laptop with windows
> 10 for
>
dual boot.  Despite significant and lengthy efforts to follow online guides
> to get
>
windows to free up space I never got that to work - windows never gave up
> the
>
space.  In the end installed into a spare 2G partition instead.
>

At work we had a "mission critical" application that was developed on
IRIX64 and
ported to linux and macOS, but not Windows.  Since Windows was the
"enterprise
standard" I've configured many systems for dual boot.  That sometimes
required moving files out of the primary Windows partition to a network
server or
removable drive to allow shrinking the Windows filesystem.   These days,
enterprise
Windows used encrypted drives managed by IT.  The "mission critical"
application
runs in WSL (and users realized that many other applications run faster in
WSL
than they do in Windows).

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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Neal Becker]

On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 7:00 AM George N. White III  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 4:48 PM Tim Evans  wrote:
>
>> Brand New Dell XPS 15 coming tomorrow, to replace my venerable Lenovo
>> T530.  (Looking forward to something a little lighter to lug around.)
>>
>> It's been 10 years since I set the T530 up to dual-boot Fedora and
>> Windows.
>>
>> I'm sure I can figure out how to reduce the size of the Windows
>> partition to make space for Fedora, but am unsure of the process for
>> current PC BIOS and grub setup for dual boot. Or is the Fedora installer
>> smart enough to handle it for me?
>>
>> Are there docs for this?  Thanks.
>>
>
> You should check the LHWDB <https://linux-hardware.org> for issues
> encountered by
> linux users (sometimes there are comments suggesting workarounds.
>
> You should use Windows tools to 1) update device firmware and 2) create
> "free space"
> for linux.  Dell has the "SupportAssist" app you should run immediately to
> update
> firmware and verify that everything works properly.   On my Dell I need to
> use F2 to
> get to the "BIOS" configuration, and "F12" to get a list of boot options.
> The problem is
> that the system starts faster than my monitor (using DP to HDMI adapter
> cable) wakes
> up so on cold boot I have to guess about the timing to hit a function
> key.  I usually end
> up in Windows a couple times before I get into the BIOS screen I want.
>
> The Windows tools have changed with recent updates to Windows 11
> as I discovered when installing F39 on a Dell desktop.  I just converted
> an existing linux partition to free space so didn't need to shrink the
> Windows
> partition.  A common mistake is allowing Windows assign a drive letter to
> the free space -- the Fedora installer looks for "free space".
>
> About 1 yr back I installed fedora onto my wife's dell laptop with windows
10 for dual boot.  Despite significant and lengthy efforts to follow online
guides to get windows to free up space I never got that to work - windows
never gave up the space.  In the end installed into a spare 2G partition
instead.
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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[George N. White III]

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 4:48 PM Tim Evans  wrote:

> Brand New Dell XPS 15 coming tomorrow, to replace my venerable Lenovo
> T530.  (Looking forward to something a little lighter to lug around.)
>
> It's been 10 years since I set the T530 up to dual-boot Fedora and Windows.
>
> I'm sure I can figure out how to reduce the size of the Windows
> partition to make space for Fedora, but am unsure of the process for
> current PC BIOS and grub setup for dual boot. Or is the Fedora installer
> smart enough to handle it for me?
>
> Are there docs for this?  Thanks.
>

You should check the LHWDB <https://linux-hardware.org> for issues
encountered by
linux users (sometimes there are comments suggesting workarounds.

You should use Windows tools to 1) update device firmware and 2) create
"free space"
for linux.  Dell has the "SupportAssist" app you should run immediately to
update
firmware and verify that everything works properly.   On my Dell I need to
use F2 to
get to the "BIOS" configuration, and "F12" to get a list of boot options.
The problem is
that the system starts faster than my monitor (using DP to HDMI adapter
cable) wakes
up so on cold boot I have to guess about the timing to hit a function key.
I usually end
up in Windows a couple times before I get into the BIOS screen I want.

The Windows tools have changed with recent updates to Windows 11
as I discovered when installing F39 on a Dell desktop.  I just converted
an existing linux partition to free space so didn't need to shrink the
Windows
partition.  A common mistake is allowing Windows assign a drive letter to
the free space -- the Fedora installer looks for "free space".

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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Felix Miata]

Samuel Sieb composed on 2023-12-02 13:04 (UTC-0800):

Tim Evans wrote:

>> Brand New Dell XPS 15 coming tomorrow, to replace my venerable Lenovo 
>> T530.  (Looking forward to something a little lighter to lug around.)

>> It's been 10 years since I set the T530 up to dual-boot Fedora and Windows.

>> I'm sure I can figure out how to reduce the size of the Windows 
>> partition to make space for Fedora, but am unsure of the process for 
>> current PC BIOS and grub setup for dual boot. Or is the Fedora installer 
>> smart enough to handle it for me?

> I suggest using the windows disk tool to shrink the windows partition. 
>  From there the Fedora installer can handle the rest.

What I would do first is make sure Windows boots and works as expected.

#2: Remove the disk and put it in a safe place for reinstallation if a warranty
issue appears.

#3: Put in a different disk and install Fedora.

#4: install Windows in a VM.

> If you can't get into the BIOS setup or boot selection, you might have 
> to go through windows to get there and enable it.  Disabling fast boot 
> might be necessary as well.
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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Samuel Sieb  said:
> On 12/2/23 13:02, Chris Adams wrote:
> >Also, after installing Fedora (which made GRUB the default UEFI boot
> >option), booting Windows from GRUB gave an error because of the
> >Bitlocker disk encryption and measured boot.  I had to enter the key
> >(logged in to my mandatory MS account to get it, I think you can also
> >copy it to a USB drive from within Windows first) to get it to boot, and
> >then it adjusted the security to handle booting from GRUB (with no error
> >or key entry) after that.
> 
> I thought Windows was no longer added to the grub menu because of
> this. You're expected to use the UEFI boot menu instead.

Like I said, this is what I saw (with Fedora 39).
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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Samuel Sieb]

On 12/2/23 13:02, Chris Adams wrote:

Also, after installing Fedora (which made GRUB the default UEFI boot
option), booting Windows from GRUB gave an error because of the
Bitlocker disk encryption and measured boot.  I had to enter the key
(logged in to my mandatory MS account to get it, I think you can also
copy it to a USB drive from within Windows first) to get it to boot, and
then it adjusted the security to handle booting from GRUB (with no error
or key entry) after that.


I thought Windows was no longer added to the grub menu because of this. 
You're expected to use the UEFI boot menu instead.

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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Samuel Sieb]

On 12/2/23 12:48, Tim Evans wrote:
Brand New Dell XPS 15 coming tomorrow, to replace my venerable Lenovo 
T530.  (Looking forward to something a little lighter to lug around.)


It's been 10 years since I set the T530 up to dual-boot Fedora and Windows.

I'm sure I can figure out how to reduce the size of the Windows 
partition to make space for Fedora, but am unsure of the process for 
current PC BIOS and grub setup for dual boot. Or is the Fedora installer 
smart enough to handle it for me?


I suggest using the windows disk tool to shrink the windows partition. 
From there the Fedora installer can handle the rest.


If you can't get into the BIOS setup or boot selection, you might have 
to go through windows to get there and enable it.  Disabling fast boot 
might be necessary as well.

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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Tim Evans  said:
> Brand New Dell XPS 15 coming tomorrow, to replace my venerable
> Lenovo T530.  (Looking forward to something a little lighter to lug
> around.)
> 
> It's been 10 years since I set the T530 up to dual-boot Fedora and Windows.
> 
> I'm sure I can figure out how to reduce the size of the Windows
> partition to make space for Fedora, but am unsure of the process for
> current PC BIOS and grub setup for dual boot. Or is the Fedora
> installer smart enough to handle it for me?

I just got a new Thinkpad and went through this.  The only extra step I
had for installing Fedora was that the UEFI settings had the "Microsoft
3rd-party OS" certificate for Secure Boot disabled by default - went
into the settings and enabled that, and then the Fedora installer would
run.

Also, after installing Fedora (which made GRUB the default UEFI boot
option), booting Windows from GRUB gave an error because of the
Bitlocker disk encryption and measured boot.  I had to enter the key
(logged in to my mandatory MS account to get it, I think you can also
copy it to a USB drive from within Windows first) to get it to boot, and
then it adjusted the security to handle booting from GRUB (with no error
or key entry) after that.

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Re: Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Patrick Dupre via users]

>
> Brand New Dell XPS 15 coming tomorrow, to replace my venerable Lenovo
> T530.  (Looking forward to something a little lighter to lug around.)
>
> It's been 10 years since I set the T530 up to dual-boot Fedora and Windows.
>
> I'm sure I can figure out how to reduce the size of the Windows
> partition to make space for Fedora, but am unsure of the process for
> current PC BIOS and grub setup for dual boot. Or is the Fedora installer
> smart enough to handle it for me?
>
> Are there docs for this?  Thanks.

In my opinion, first thing to do
fdisk
and/or gparted
from a live distribution (like fedora-live or gparted-live)
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Modern Dual-Boot Setup Prcoedure (Dell XPS)

[Tim Evans]

Brand New Dell XPS 15 coming tomorrow, to replace my venerable Lenovo 
T530.  (Looking forward to something a little lighter to lug around.)


It's been 10 years since I set the T530 up to dual-boot Fedora and Windows.

I'm sure I can figure out how to reduce the size of the Windows 
partition to make space for Fedora, but am unsure of the process for 
current PC BIOS and grub setup for dual boot. Or is the Fedora installer 
smart enough to handle it for me?


Are there docs for this?  Thanks.
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Re: Installing dual-boot - SOLVED

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2022-01-15 at 17:50 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2022-01-15 at 12:24 -0500, Lester Petrie wrote:
> > > Thanks. I did manage to boot Fedora by pressing the hotkey on
> > > restart.
> > > I really just want to add Windows as an option in the Grub menu
> > > so
> > > I
> > > don't have to do this. I'll look at efibootmgr.
> > > --
> > 
> > If you can get into Fedora, grub2-mkconfig will rebuild your boot
> > menu 
> > adding Windows.
> 
> Thanks, that sounds like what I'm looking for.

Just to confirm that worked. Thanks again.

poc
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Re: Installing dual-boot

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2022-01-15 at 12:24 -0500, Lester Petrie wrote:
> > Thanks. I did manage to boot Fedora by pressing the hotkey on
> > restart.
> > I really just want to add Windows as an option in the Grub menu so
> > I
> > don't have to do this. I'll look at efibootmgr.
> > --
> 
> If you can get into Fedora, grub2-mkconfig will rebuild your boot
> menu 
> adding Windows.

Thanks, that sounds like what I'm looking for.

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Re: Installing dual-boot

[Lester Petrie]

On 1/15/2022 8:33 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2022-01-15 at 07:52 -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:25, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:

I have a laptop as a secondary machine, using F35. I've
reluctantly had
to install Windows 10 on another partition, and of course Windows
has
stamped all over the boot block in its usual arrogant way so I can
no
longer access my Fedora installation (though it's still there).

What's the quickest way to get Grub back, with the Windows boot as
an
option? Can this be done from within Windows or do I need to boot a
rescue drive? Both systems use UEFI.

The great thing about UEFI is that it doesn’t involve boot sectors
anymore, it’s just files in the EFI volume and entries in the boot
firmware.

You should be able to go into your BIOS boot menu and choose the
Fedora boot entry and it should boot just fine, unless the windows
install formatted the EFI volume, but it shouldn’t by default.  You
can also boot off a live USB and use ‘efibootmgr’ to change the boot
order.

Be sure to turn off Fast Reboot in the Windows settings.  That
setting bypasses the normal firmware boot and you won’t see the
Fedora bootloader.

Thanks. I did manage to boot Fedora by pressing the hotkey on restart.
I really just want to add Windows as an option in the Grub menu so I
don't have to do this. I'll look at efibootmgr.
--


If you can get into Fedora, grub2-mkconfig will rebuild your boot menu 
adding Windows.


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Re: Installing dual-boot

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2022-01-15 at 07:52 -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:25, Patrick O'Callaghan
>  wrote:
> > 
> > I have a laptop as a secondary machine, using F35. I've
> > reluctantly had
> > to install Windows 10 on another partition, and of course Windows
> > has
> > stamped all over the boot block in its usual arrogant way so I can
> > no
> > longer access my Fedora installation (though it's still there).
> > 
> > What's the quickest way to get Grub back, with the Windows boot as
> > an
> > option? Can this be done from within Windows or do I need to boot a
> > rescue drive? Both systems use UEFI.
> 
> The great thing about UEFI is that it doesn’t involve boot sectors
> anymore, it’s just files in the EFI volume and entries in the boot
> firmware.
> 
> You should be able to go into your BIOS boot menu and choose the
> Fedora boot entry and it should boot just fine, unless the windows
> install formatted the EFI volume, but it shouldn’t by default.  You
> can also boot off a live USB and use ‘efibootmgr’ to change the boot
> order.
> 
> Be sure to turn off Fast Reboot in the Windows settings.  That
> setting bypasses the normal firmware boot and you won’t see the
> Fedora bootloader.

Thanks. I did manage to boot Fedora by pressing the hotkey on restart.
I really just want to add Windows as an option in the Grub menu so I
don't have to do this. I'll look at efibootmgr.

poc
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Re: Installing dual-boot

[Jonathan Billings]

On Jan 15, 2022, at 07:25, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> 
> I have a laptop as a secondary machine, using F35. I've reluctantly had
> to install Windows 10 on another partition, and of course Windows has
> stamped all over the boot block in its usual arrogant way so I can no
> longer access my Fedora installation (though it's still there).
> 
> What's the quickest way to get Grub back, with the Windows boot as an
> option? Can this be done from within Windows or do I need to boot a
> rescue drive? Both systems use UEFI.

The great thing about UEFI is that it doesn’t involve boot sectors anymore, 
it’s just files in the EFI volume and entries in the boot firmware.

You should be able to go into your BIOS boot menu and choose the Fedora boot 
entry and it should boot just fine, unless the windows install formatted the 
EFI volume, but it shouldn’t by default.  You can also boot off a live USB and 
use ‘efibootmgr’ to change the boot order.

Be sure to turn off Fast Reboot in the Windows settings.  That setting bypasses 
the normal firmware boot and you won’t see the Fedora bootloader.

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Installing dual-boot

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

I have a laptop as a secondary machine, using F35. I've reluctantly had
to install Windows 10 on another partition, and of course Windows has
stamped all over the boot block in its usual arrogant way so I can no
longer access my Fedora installation (though it's still there).

What's the quickest way to get Grub back, with the Windows boot as an
option? Can this be done from within Windows or do I need to boot a
rescue drive? Both systems use UEFI.

poc
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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[sean darcy]

On 5/9/20 9:12 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 5/9/20 3:38 PM, sean darcy wrote:

And it works. I can now dual boot, and Windows is a LOT faster.


Oh, the irony...


Absolutely. Why in the world would Dell sell an nvme laptop provisioned 
with RST ?

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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/9/20 3:38 PM, sean darcy wrote:

And it works. I can now dual boot, and Windows is a LOT faster.


Oh, the irony...
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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[sean darcy]

On 5/7/20 10:49 AM, sean darcy wrote:

My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
rapid Storage Technology  (optane) system chip. Windows is on an nvme 
drive.


FC31 is on a SATA ssd.

BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the FC31 
drive, and RST to boot the Windows drive. Neither will boot with the 
other.  Sigh.


1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?

2.  Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ?

sean
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Solved. It turns out the Intel RST driver don't work well with nvme. So 
somebody has found a a way to switch from the RST driver to using AHCI.



https://support.thinkcritical.com/kb/articles/switch-windows-10-from-raid-ide-to-ahci

And it works. I can now dual boot, and Windows is a LOT faster.

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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Sat, 2020-05-09 at 09:30 -0400, sean darcy wrote:
> On 5/9/20 1:38 AM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:
> > On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 10:49 -0400, sean darcy wrote:
> > > My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
> > > rapid Storage Technology  (optane) system chip. Windows is on an
> > > nvme
> > > drive.
> > > 
> > > FC31 is on a SATA ssd.
> > > 
> > > BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the
> > > FC31
> > > drive, and RST to boot the Windows drive. Neither will boot with
> > > the
> > > other.  Sigh.
> > > 
> > > 1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?
> > > 
> > > 2.  Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ?
> > > 
> > > sean
> > 
> > I have Intel RST "fake RAID" on my Lenovo ThinkPad P72. As
> > delivered, 
> > Windows 10 Pro was installed on two 2TB NVMe SSDs in a RAID1
> > mirror 
> > configuration. While I could have also installed a standard
> > notebook 
> > SATA SSD, I postponed that idea (see below) and broke the RAID1
> > mirror 
> > instead. The BIOS Storage setting gave me two options: RST or AHCI.
> > The 
> > BIOS is wrong. It should say RST or NVMe. SATA or AHCI are not
> > options. 
> > And boy are the two raw NVMe drives F-A-S-T 
> > 
> > I went through all the hand wringing and fear of screwing up
> > something I 
> > didn't completely understand at the time. I backed up everything I
> > could 
> > think of from Windows 10, and a went to the trouble of getting a
> > Lenovo 
> > ThinkPad Windows restoration thumb drive.
> > 
> > Happily, once I broke the RAID1 mirror, I was able to boot to a
> > Fedora 
> > live ISO on a thumb drive. It could see both /dev/nvme0 and
> > /dev/nvme1 
> > SSDs. The #0 device still contained one half of the mirrored
> > Windows 10 
> > installation. fdisk shows the following detail:
> > 
> > # fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1
> > 
> > Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320 bytes, 4000797360
> > sectors
> > 
> > Disk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-000L7
> > 
> > Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> > 
> > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> > 
> > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> > 
> > Disklabel type: gpt
> > 
> > Disk identifier: 868B8A59-AF35-48EB-AD4F-0B2966DD92F5
> > 
> > 
> > Device  StartEndSectors  Size Type
> > 
> > /dev/nvme0n1p1   2048 534527 532480  260M EFI System
> > 
> > /dev/nvme0n1p2 534528 567295  32768   16M Microsoft
> > reserved
> > 
> > /dev/nvme0n1p3 567296 3998748671 3998181376  1.9T Microsoft basic data
> > 
> > /dev/nvme0n1p4 3998748672 40007966712048000 1000M Windows
> > recovery 
> > environment
> > 
> > 
> > This frees /dev/nvme1n1 for a normal installation from a live CD
> > image. 
> > It will set up GRUB2 for a Windows + Fedora dual boot. When
> > installed, 
> > your second NVMe drive should be partitioned something like this:
> > 
> > 
> > # fdisk -l /dev/nvme1n1
> > 
> > Disk /dev/nvme1n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320 bytes, 4000797360
> > sectors
> > 
> > Disk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-000L7
> > 
> > Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytesSector size
> > (logical/physical): 512 
> > bytes / 512 bytes
> > 
> > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> > 
> > Disklabel type: gpt
> > 
> > Disk identifier: D02F3FF2-CE20-43A2-A2E2-92053E91D817
> > 
> > 
> > Device   StartEndSectors  Size Type
> > /dev/nvme1n1p12048 411647 409600  200M EFI System
> > /dev/nvme1n1p2  411648250879920971521G Linux filesystem
> > /dev/nvme1n1p3 2508800 4000796671 3998287872  1.9T Linux LVM
> > 
> > As I indicated above, I later installed a 4TB SATA internal drive
> > in an 
> > expansion space inside the P72. I had to buy a wiring adapter to
> > connect 
> > the SATA drive to the P72's internal chassis wiring. That wiring
> > doesn't 
> > come instsalled from the factory. I got the kit from EggHead.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > --Doc Savage
> > Fairview Heights, IL
> > 
> > 
> 
> Very interesting. Are you now able to boot into Windows on nvme0 from
> grub ?
> 
> sean


Of course. It's not my default, so when the GRUB2 menu appears I have
to arrow down to the 4th entry to boot into Windows.

What's really nice about this setup is that when default booted into
Fedora 32 I can mount the /dev/nvme0n1p3 Windows partition r/w.

--Doc Savage
  Fairview Heights, IL

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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[sean darcy]

On 5/9/20 1:38 AM, Robert G (Doc) Savage via users wrote:

On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 10:49 -0400, sean darcy wrote:

My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
rapid Storage Technology  (optane) system chip. Windows is on an nvme
drive.

FC31 is on a SATA ssd.

BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the FC31
drive, and RST to boot the Windows drive. Neither will boot with the
other.  Sigh.

1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?

2.  Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ?

sean


I have Intel RST "fake RAID" on my Lenovo ThinkPad P72. As delivered, 
Windows 10 Pro was installed on two 2TB NVMe SSDs in a RAID1 mirror 
configuration. While I could have also installed a standard notebook 
SATA SSD, I postponed that idea (see below) and broke the RAID1 mirror 
instead. The BIOS Storage setting gave me two options: RST or AHCI. The 
BIOS is wrong. It should say RST or NVMe. SATA or AHCI are not options. 
And boy are the two raw NVMe drives F-A-S-T 


I went through all the hand wringing and fear of screwing up something I 
didn't completely understand at the time. I backed up everything I could 
think of from Windows 10, and a went to the trouble of getting a Lenovo 
ThinkPad Windows restoration thumb drive.


Happily, once I broke the RAID1 mirror, I was able to boot to a Fedora 
live ISO on a thumb drive. It could see both /dev/nvme0 and /dev/nvme1 
SSDs. The #0 device still contained one half of the mirrored Windows 10 
installation. fdisk shows the following detail:


# fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1

Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320 bytes, 4000797360 sectors

Disk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-000L7

Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes

Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

Disklabel type: gpt

Disk identifier: 868B8A59-AF35-48EB-AD4F-0B2966DD92F5


Device  StartEndSectors  Size Type

/dev/nvme0n1p1   2048 534527 532480  260M EFI System

/dev/nvme0n1p2 534528 567295  32768   16M Microsoft reserved

/dev/nvme0n1p3 567296 3998748671 3998181376  1.9T Microsoft basic data

/dev/nvme0n1p4 3998748672 40007966712048000 1000M Windows recovery 
environment



This frees /dev/nvme1n1 for a normal installation from a live CD image. 
It will set up GRUB2 for a Windows + Fedora dual boot. When installed, 
your second NVMe drive should be partitioned something like this:



# fdisk -l /dev/nvme1n1

Disk /dev/nvme1n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320 bytes, 4000797360 sectors

Disk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-000L7

Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytesSector size (logical/physical): 512 
bytes / 512 bytes


I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

Disklabel type: gpt

Disk identifier: D02F3FF2-CE20-43A2-A2E2-92053E91D817


Device   StartEndSectors  Size Type
/dev/nvme1n1p12048 411647 409600  200M EFI System
/dev/nvme1n1p2  411648250879920971521G Linux filesystem
/dev/nvme1n1p3 2508800 4000796671 3998287872  1.9T Linux LVM

As I indicated above, I later installed a 4TB SATA internal drive in an 
expansion space inside the P72. I had to buy a wiring adapter to connect 
the SATA drive to the P72's internal chassis wiring. That wiring doesn't 
come instsalled from the factory. I got the kit from EggHead.


Hope this helps.

--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL




Very interesting. Are you now able to boot into Windows on nvme0 from grub ?

sean
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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[Robert G (Doc) Savage via users]

On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 10:49 -0400, sean darcy wrote:
> My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
> rapid Storage Technology  (optane) system chip. Windows is on an
> nvme 
> drive.
> 
> FC31 is on a SATA ssd.
> 
> BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the
> FC31 
> drive, and RST to boot the Windows drive. Neither will boot with the 
> other.  Sigh.
> 
> 1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?
> 
> 2.  Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ?
> 
> sean

I have Intel RST "fake RAID" on my Lenovo ThinkPad P72. As delivered,
Windows 10 Pro was installed on two 2TB NVMe SSDs in a RAID1 mirror
configuration. While I could have also installed a standard notebook
SATA SSD, I postponed that idea (see below) and broke the RAID1 mirror
instead. The BIOS Storage setting gave me two options:  RST or AHCI.
The BIOS is wrong. It should say RST or NVMe. SATA or AHCI are not
options. And boy are the two raw NVMe drives F-A-S-T 

I went through all the hand wringing and fear of screwing up something
I didn't completely understand at the time. I backed up everything I
could think of from Windows 10, and a went to the trouble of getting a
Lenovo ThinkPad Windows restoration thumb drive.

Happily, once I broke the RAID1 mirror, I was able to boot to a Fedora
live ISO on a thumb drive. It could see both /dev/nvme0 and /dev/nvme1
SSDs. The #0 device still contained one half of the mirrored Windows 10
installation. fdisk shows the following detail:

# fdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320
bytes, 4000797360 sectorsDisk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-
000L7  Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytesSector size
(logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytesI/O size (minimum/optimal):
512 bytes / 512 bytesDisklabel type: gptDisk identifier: 868B8A59-AF35-
48EB-AD4F-0B2966DD92F5
Device  StartEndSectors  Size
Type/dev/nvme0n1p1   2048 534527 532480  260M EFI
System/dev/nvme0n1p2 534528 567295  32768   16M Microsoft
reserved/dev/nvme0n1p3 567296 3998748671 3998181376  1.9T Microsoft
basic data/dev/nvme0n1p4 3998748672 40007966712048000 1000M Windows
recovery environment
This frees /dev/nvme1n1  for a normal installation from a live CD
image. It will set up GRUB2 for  a Windows + Fedora dual boot. When
installed, your second NVMe drive should be partitioned something like
this:
# fdisk -l /dev/nvme1n1Disk /dev/nvme1n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320
bytes, 4000797360 sectorsDisk model: SAMSUNG MZVLB2T0HMLB-
000L7  Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytesSector size
(logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytesI/O size (minimum/optimal):
512 bytes / 512 bytesDisklabel type: gptDisk identifier: D02F3FF2-CE20-
43A2-A2E2-92053E91D817
Device   StartEndSectors  Size
Type/dev/nvme1n1p12048 411647 409600  200M EFI
System/dev/nvme1n1p2  411648250879920971521G Linux
filesystem
/dev/nvme1n1p3 2508800 4000796671 3998287872  1.9T Linux LVM



As I indicated above, I later installed a 4TB SATA internal drive in an
expansion space inside the P72. I had to buy a wiring adapter to
connect the SATA drive to the P72's internal chassis wiring. That
wiring doesn't come instsalled from the factory. I got the kit from
EggHead. 

Hope this helps.

--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL
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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[Gordon Messmer]

On 5/7/20 7:49 AM, sean darcy wrote:

1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?



No.  RST is unsafe by design, and the kernel developers won't support it.

 * No NVMe device power management
 * No NVMe reset support
 * No NVMe quirks based on PCI ID
 * No SR-IOV VFs
 * Reduced performance through a shared, legacy interrupt

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20190620061038.ga20...@lst.de/T/


2. Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ? 



https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=boot+windows+raid+ahci+mode

First result is:

https://support.thinkcritical.com/kb/articles/switch-windows-10-from-raid-ide-to-ahci

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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/7/20 7:49 AM, sean darcy wrote:

My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
rapid Storage Technology  (optane) system chip. Windows is on an nvme 
drive.


FC31 is on a SATA ssd.


I thought RST was where it used a small SSD as caching for a regular 
spinning hard drive.  The few times I've had to deal with that, I just 
broke the RAID and let Windows use the hard drive directly.


BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the FC31 
drive, and RST to boot the Windows drive. Neither will boot with the 
other.  Sigh.


1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?


I thought there was some sort of support for that, but it's hard to find.


2.  Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ?


Check if there's an option in the BIOS to disable the RAID.
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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[sean darcy]

On 5/7/20 10:49 AM, sean darcy wrote:

My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
rapid Storage Technology  (optane) system chip. Windows is on an nvme 
drive.


FC31 is on a SATA ssd.

BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the FC31 
drive, and RST to boot the Windows drive. Neither will boot with the 
other.  Sigh.


1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?

2.  Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ?

sean


Ping
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How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[sean darcy]

My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
rapid Storage Technology  (optane) system chip. Windows is on an nvme 
drive.


FC31 is on a SATA ssd.

BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the FC31 
drive, and RST to boot the Windows drive. Neither will boot with the 
other.  Sigh.


1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?

2.  Any way to have the Windows drive boot with AHCI ?

sean
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Re: Swapped a dual boot drive into another computer and it will only boot Windows ?

[George N. White III]

On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 02:52, linux guy  wrote:

> I have 2 computers, nearly identical, similar age.  AMI BIOS in both.
>
> I swapped the M.SATA drives from each.   One drive has F31.  One has dual
> boot Windows 10 + F31.
>
> The F31 alone hard drive boots and runs fine in the first computer.  So
> does the dual boot drive.   The dual boot hard drive will only boot Windows
> in the 2nd computer.  I can't get it to boot Fedora at all.
>

Does one of the drives use GPT partitioning?

The BIOS settings appear to be identical.  The first computer that boots
> both drives fine has BIOS version F4.  I installed the lastest BIOS in the
> second computer that doesn't boot.  It is version F2, but a much later
> version.
>
> I'm using legacy (compatibility, non efi ) mode.  The BIOS gives me 2
> options:
>
> P4: Samsung SSD 850 EVO mSATA
> Windows Boot Manager (P4: Samsung SSD 850 EVO mSATA)
>
> If I select the first option, the Linux boot partition the computer boots
> and displays: "Reboot and Selct proper Boot device or... "
>
> I've checked fstab on both drives.  The UUIDs are correct and they are set
> up the same, except the dual boot drive has 2 extra entries for the Windows
> install.
>
> Why won't the dual boot drive boot Fedora on the 2nd computer ?
>

A couple things to consider:

1) Windows 10 updates have been known to disable grub .   The Boot Repair CD
<https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/>
was worked for me.

2) Windows 10 "fast boot mode" should be disabled on dual boot
configurations. This
is essentially hibernation and seems to bypass normal boot processing.  It
also means
any changes to Windows filesystems from linux will be lost when Windows
restarts.

-- 
George N. White III
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Swapped a dual boot drive into another computer and it will only boot Windows ?

[linux guy]

I have 2 computers, nearly identical, similar age.  AMI BIOS in both.

I swapped the M.SATA drives from each.   One drive has F31.  One has dual
boot Windows 10 + F31.

The F31 alone hard drive boots and runs fine in the first computer.  So
does the dual boot drive.   The dual boot hard drive will only boot Windows
in the 2nd computer.  I can't get it to boot Fedora at all.

The BIOS settings appear to be identical.  The first computer that boots
both drives fine has BIOS version F4.  I installed the lastest BIOS in the
second computer that doesn't boot.  It is version F2, but a much later
version.

I'm using legacy (compatibility, non efi ) mode.  The BIOS gives me 2
options:

P4: Samsung SSD 850 EVO mSATA
Windows Boot Manager (P4: Samsung SSD 850 EVO mSATA)

If I select the first option, the Linux boot partition the computer boots
and displays: "Reboot and Selct proper Boot device or... "

I've checked fstab on both drives.  The UUIDs are correct and they are set
up the same, except the dual boot drive has 2 extra entries for the Windows
install.

Why won't the dual boot drive boot Fedora on the 2nd computer ?
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

Solved the authentication issue.  It was SELinux related.

This was the best system transfer that I have ever done.   Really happy
with how it turned out - everything transferred over and works out of the
box on the new machine.  I'm totally impressed.  Would 10/10 would do it
this way again.

I'll write it up in a new thread shortly.
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

Aside from an Authentication issue, this worked really well.   I'll post it
up as soon as I get the issues resolved.
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

So which directories do I need to sync ?

bin  - link that points to /usr/bin
boot - going to try NOT copying it.
dev - no, the system generates this at boot
etc - yes
home - yes
lib - link that points to /usr/lib
lib64 - link that points to /usr/lib64
lost+found - no
media - no
mount - no
opt ?
proc - no
root - ?
run - ?
sbin - link that points to /usr/sbin
srv - ?
sys - ?
tmp - no
usr - yes
var - yes

I'm going to try NOT copying boot because it got set up for the target
machine during the live install.  It will be interesting to see if it still
works after the rsyncing.

Thoughts ?
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

BTW, you might want to check the speed of the network interfaces and router
being used.I was seeing very slow file transfer speeds with rsync
(hint: use --progress).When I investigated I found that the speed limit
on the wired network interface on my current computer was set to 100
Mb/sec.   I enabled Allow auto-negotiation on the adapter and reconnected
it to the network, which allowed it to connect at 1 Gb/sec, rather than 100
Mb/s.
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

Thanks, guys.

rsync is running right now.  I'll let you know how I make out.  I'll post
when I find something that works.

LG
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:59:15 -0700
linux guy wrote:

> rsync over the
> network while running the new computer off a USB drive ?

Rsync works OK, but you need to run both systems off
a live USB so the real disks aren't being touched
while being copied.

Then you'll need to chroot into the new system from the
live USB and run grub install to make it bootable
(and edit all the UUID info and such in the grub
environment, grub.cfg, and fstab).

I just built a new computer and moved my old one this way
(but I didn't use UEFI booting on either - I have no idea
how that might complicate things).
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[sixpack13]

On 09.01.20 01:59, linux guy wrote:

Hi people.

A bit of a wrinkle in the plans... still need to transfer the operating 
system though.


The deal to buy the used computer fell through.  It wasn't what I wanted 
anyway. So I purchased and assembled a new machine.  I will not be 
installing Windows on it.


Here is the problem... my old operating system is on an M.SATA drive.
My new computer has 2 M.2 drives.   I didn't realize there was a 
difference, because M.2 does both PCIE and SATA.   But it turns out that 
M.SATA is a different form factor than M.2 and I cannot plug my old 
M.SATA drive into my new motherboard.


Here is an explanation of the differences between M.2 and M.SATA.
https://searchstorage.techtarget.com/definition/mSATA-SSD-mSATA-solid-state-drive

So how do I transfer my old operating system from the M.SATA drive in my 
old computer to the M.2 drive in my new computer ? rsync over the 
network while running the new computer off a USB drive ?





could fsarchiver be an option ?

http://www.fsarchiver.org/


fsarchiver is on the SysRescueCD (see on the left side for the download 
link)



the way would be:

- fsarchiver savefs ... => USB disk => fsarchiver restfs ...
- maybe reconfigure UUID in the boot env, /etc/fstab, ???
- ???


I don't know if fsarchiver is able to handle lvm ???
=> see also on the left side "LVM Backups"


some questions:
===
how old is the old OS ?
how long would it last to configure a new install to the state of the 
old one ?



new installs have the advantage that they are clean and shiny new 
computer fit best with shiny new OS !


;-)

the way would be:
- new install
- configure the new install
- rsync your old user to the new /home


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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

Hi people.

A bit of a wrinkle in the plans... still need to transfer the operating
system though.

The deal to buy the used computer fell through.  It wasn't what I wanted
anyway. So I purchased and assembled a new machine.  I will not be
installing Windows on it.

Here is the problem... my old operating system is on an M.SATA drive.My
new computer has 2 M.2 drives.   I didn't realize there was a difference,
because M.2 does both PCIE and SATA.   But it turns out that M.SATA is a
different form factor than M.2 and I cannot plug my old M.SATA drive into
my new motherboard.

Here is an explanation of the differences between M.2 and M.SATA.
https://searchstorage.techtarget.com/definition/mSATA-SSD-mSATA-solid-state-drive

So how do I transfer my old operating system from the M.SATA drive in my
old computer to the M.2 drive in my new computer ? rsync over the
network while running the new computer off a USB drive ?

Thanks





On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:35 AM linux guy  wrote:

> Hi people.
>
> I'm about to purchase a new workstation computer because my current
> workstation is too slow.  The new computer comes with Windows 10 installed
> on it.  I rarely use Windows, but occasionally it comes in handy to
> troubleshoot something, so I'd like to leave it on the hard drive.
>
> Question:   how do I transfer my current workstation installation to the
> new hard drive and retain Windows ?   I don't want to start over building
> my workstation installation from a fresh install.
>
> Thanks
>
> LG
>
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[Robert McBroom via users]

On 1/6/20 1:35 PM, linux guy wrote:

Hi people.

I'm about to purchase a new workstation computer because my current 
workstation is too slow.  The new computer comes with Windows 10 
installed on it.  I rarely use Windows, but occasionally it comes in 
handy to troubleshoot something, so I'd like to leave it on the hard 
drive.


Question:   how do I transfer my current workstation installation to 
the new hard drive and retain Windows ?   I don't want to start over 
building my workstation installation from a fresh install.


Thanks

LG


on Windows

Start button>>Windows Administrative Tools>>Disk Management

will resize your partitions safely.  Last time I used it, it did not 
allow a choice of size but did half the drive.  Windows sometimes gets 
problems with gparted. Usually fixed by a disk scan in Windows but an 
extra annoyance. A live fedora CD will let you adjust the new partition 
to your liking and format the new partition for Fedora. If you use 
multiple linux partitions they can be set from the live CD. Others will 
have to give you all the tricks to installing grub2 for gpt disks and uefi.

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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:51:27 -0700
linux guy wrote:

> Rsync everything ?  *Everything* ?  Would that work ?

I install new releases of fedora by installing in
a virtual machine, then rsyncing that to a real partition
and editing fstab, grub.cfg, and the grub environment
file to change all the UUIDs and such to the ones of the
new partition. I've got a stand-alone tiny partition with
grub installed which I use the configfile option to
boot the real system. This is all just using a ms-dos
style bios.

A windows box will almost certainly require UEFI, so I'm
not sure how much more complicated it would be to get that working.
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 1/6/20 12:57 PM, linux guy wrote:

The old SSD is 250 GB.  The new one is 1 TB.

I could resize the Windows partition using gparted to leave more than 
enough room for the entire old drive.


That makes it a lot easier then.


Here is fstab from my current workstation.

# /etc/fstab
# Created by anaconda on Fri Oct 21 06:49:22 2016
#
# Accessible filesystems, by reference, are maintained under '/dev/disk'
# See man pages fstab(5), findfs(8), mount(8) and/or blkid(8) for more info
#
/dev/mapper/fedora-root /                       ext4    defaults        1 1
UUID=7ec64a92-3b6c-4554-9b10-f4e3665f25b7 /boot                   ext4   
  defaults        1 2

/dev/mapper/fedora-home /home                   ext4    defaults        1 2
/dev/mapper/fedora-swap swap                    swap    defaults        0 0


You're using LVM.  I assume the fstab is fine, I have very little 
experience with LVM, I'll leave it to someone else to say if there's any 
other config that will need tweaking.  I believe if you free up more 
space than necessary, you should be able to resize the volumes to give 
Fedora more space.


How does one set up grub for dual boot after the fact, if you don't do a 
minimal install ?  Or is that what you are suggesting ?


You didn't answer the critical question about EFI on both systems.

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:50 PM Samuel Sieb <mailto:sam...@sieb.net>> wrote:

Is Windows booting via EFI?  I would expect it is, but just checking.
Is your old Fedora computer booting with EFI?

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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

The old SSD is 250 GB.  The new one is 1 TB.

I could resize the Windows partition using gparted to leave more than
enough room for the entire old drive.

Here is fstab from my current workstation.

# /etc/fstab
# Created by anaconda on Fri Oct 21 06:49:22 2016
#
# Accessible filesystems, by reference, are maintained under '/dev/disk'
# See man pages fstab(5), findfs(8), mount(8) and/or blkid(8) for more info
#
/dev/mapper/fedora-root /   ext4defaults1 1
UUID=7ec64a92-3b6c-4554-9b10-f4e3665f25b7 /boot   ext4
 defaults1 2
/dev/mapper/fedora-home /home   ext4defaults1 2
/dev/mapper/fedora-swap swapswapdefaults0 0

How does one set up grub for dual boot after the fact, if you don't do a
minimal install ?  Or is that what you are suggesting ?

FWIW, just looked up the price of Windows 10 Home... wow !


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:50 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 1/6/20 10:35 AM, linux guy wrote:
> > I'm about to purchase a new workstation computer because my current
> > workstation is too slow.  The new computer comes with Windows 10
> > installed on it.  I rarely use Windows, but occasionally it comes in
> > handy to troubleshoot something, so I'd like to leave it on the hard
> drive.
>
> Is Windows booting via EFI?  I would expect it is, but just checking.
> Is your old Fedora computer booting with EFI?
>
> > Question:   how do I transfer my current workstation installation to the
> > new hard drive and retain Windows ?   I don't want to start over
> > building my workstation installation from a fresh install.
>
> How big is the old hard drive and how big is the new one?  If you can
> resize Windows to leave enough space, you could directly copy the
> partitions from one drive to the other.  Otherwise, you can create the
> necessary partitions on the new drive and rsync (with the right flags)
> the data from the old hard drive.  Either way you will you need to
> adjust the booting on the new system after.  Check the fstab on the old
> system.  With the rsync method, if the fstab is using labels, then just
> create the new partitions with the same labels.  Otherwise, you will
> need to adjust the copied fstab to use the new partition UUIDs.
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 1/6/20 10:35 AM, linux guy wrote:
I'm about to purchase a new workstation computer because my current 
workstation is too slow.  The new computer comes with Windows 10 
installed on it.  I rarely use Windows, but occasionally it comes in 
handy to troubleshoot something, so I'd like to leave it on the hard drive.


Is Windows booting via EFI?  I would expect it is, but just checking.
Is your old Fedora computer booting with EFI?

Question:   how do I transfer my current workstation installation to the 
new hard drive and retain Windows ?   I don't want to start over 
building my workstation installation from a fresh install.


How big is the old hard drive and how big is the new one?  If you can 
resize Windows to leave enough space, you could directly copy the 
partitions from one drive to the other.  Otherwise, you can create the 
necessary partitions on the new drive and rsync (with the right flags) 
the data from the old hard drive.  Either way you will you need to 
adjust the booting on the new system after.  Check the fstab on the old 
system.  With the rsync method, if the fstab is using labels, then just 
create the new partitions with the same labels.  Otherwise, you will 
need to adjust the copied fstab to use the new partition UUIDs.

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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

I want to keep my old computer fully functional as a backup.  Thus I'd like
to leave the existing drive in it.

It would be super easy to clone my existing drive with dd if it wasn't for
the Windows install.   Do a minimal install, dd the Linux stuff and then
somehow fix the boot entries ?

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:11 PM sixpack13  wrote:

> not the answer of your question, but maybe a hint:
>
> Why not to screw the old Fedora disk into the new workstation and to
> adjust the boot order in the bios ?
>
> and then boot the windows raw (!) disk via Virtual Box or maybe KVM.
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[sixpack13]

On 06.01.20 19:35, linux guy wrote:

Hi people.

I'm about to purchase a new workstation computer because my current 
workstation is too slow.  The new computer comes with Windows 10 
installed on it.  I rarely use Windows, but occasionally it comes in 
handy to troubleshoot something, so I'd like to leave it on the hard drive.


Question:   how do I transfer my current workstation installation to the 
new hard drive and retain Windows ?   I don't want to start over 
building my workstation installation from a fresh install.




not the answer of your question, but maybe a hint:

Why not to screw the old Fedora disk into the new workstation and to 
adjust the boot order in the bios ?


and then boot the windows raw (!) disk via Virtual Box or maybe KVM.


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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

Thanks for the reply.

Rsync everything ?  *Everything* ?  Would that work ?

I was thinking of doing a minimal install and then obtaining the list of
packages from my old workstation and running dnf with that list.  Then
copying all the user data over from /home.  I'd still lose some settings
though.
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Re: Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 11:35:19 -0700
linux guy wrote:

> I don't want to start over building
> my workstation installation from a fresh install.

Probably worth taking this with a large grain of salt,
but I'd consider doing a minimal new fedora install
on the new box, then rsync old fedora over the top
of it. (But I don't even know how to get it to keep
windows when installing, so you can see how expert
my advice it likely to be :-).
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Transfer my current Linux install to a new dual boot drive with Windows ?

[linux guy]

Hi people.

I'm about to purchase a new workstation computer because my current
workstation is too slow.  The new computer comes with Windows 10 installed
on it.  I rarely use Windows, but occasionally it comes in handy to
troubleshoot something, so I'd like to leave it on the hard drive.

Question:   how do I transfer my current workstation installation to the
new hard drive and retain Windows ?   I don't want to start over building
my workstation installation from a fresh install.

Thanks

LG
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Re: (fedora) Re: Failed to create a dual boot F31 windows 10 on Dell E5540

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/4/19 2:41 AM, Jouk Jansen wrote:

sam...@sieb.net wrote on 31-OCT-2019 22:45:56.20


On 10/31/19 3:27 AM, Jouk Jansen wrote:

I tried to make from my Dell lattitude E5540 running windows 10 a dual boot
with F31. Intallation of F31 runned as expected apart form one point: I made
a custom partion layout of the free space and it compalined that my BIOS
needed a small biosboot partition (so I also created that one).

It appears that you booted the USB drive using CSM (legacy) mode instead
of EFI.  The biosboot requirement confirms that.

However after the installation the machine was unbootable. I had to chande
the boot mode in the bios form UEFI to legacy to get F31 booted. Windows 10
appeared not bootable anymore.

What did I miss? How should I proceed to get a dual boot machine?

You will need to reinstall again, but make sure you boot in EFI mode.
You should be able to set your BIOS to only boot in EFI with no CSM
available if necessary.  You can remove that biosboot partition during
the install as well.


Thanks that helped. CSM was called a little different in the BIOS but
switching off all "legacy" capabilities did the trick.

Still wondereing why Fedora installs in legacy mode while the DVD is booted
in EFI mode and a windown EFI boot manager is present, resulting in wiping
out the windows bootmanager.


It wasn't.  Whether you picked it from the list or the BIOS 
automatically chose it, the DVD was booted in legacy mode.  You can't do 
a cross-install, it will only install in the mode it is booted as.  I 
would be very surprised if the windows boot manager is damaged unless 
you deleted the EFI boot partition somehow.  The installer should not 
have touched anything to do with windows.  Do you not have an EFI boot 
entry for windows?

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Re: (fedora) Re: Failed to create a dual boot F31 windows 10 on Dell E5540

[Jouk Jansen]

sam...@sieb.net wrote on 31-OCT-2019 22:45:56.20

>On 10/31/19 3:27 AM, Jouk Jansen wrote:
>> I tried to make from my Dell lattitude E5540 running windows 10 a dual boot
>> with F31. Intallation of F31 runned as expected apart form one point: I made
>> a custom partion layout of the free space and it compalined that my BIOS
>> needed a small biosboot partition (so I also created that one).
>It appears that you booted the USB drive using CSM (legacy) mode instead 
>of EFI.  The biosboot requirement confirms that.
>> However after the installation the machine was unbootable. I had to chande
>> the boot mode in the bios form UEFI to legacy to get F31 booted. Windows 10
>> appeared not bootable anymore.
>> 
>> What did I miss? How should I proceed to get a dual boot machine?
>You will need to reinstall again, but make sure you boot in EFI mode. 
>You should be able to set your BIOS to only boot in EFI with no CSM 
>available if necessary.  You can remove that biosboot partition during 
>the install as well.

Thanks that helped. CSM was called a little different in the BIOS but
switching off all "legacy" capabilities did the trick.

Still wondereing why Fedora installs in legacy mode while the DVD is booted
in EFI mode and a windown EFI boot manager is present, resulting in wiping
out the windows bootmanager.

Regards
Jouk


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Re: Failed to create a dual boot F31 windows 10 on Dell E5540

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/31/19 3:27 AM, Jouk Jansen wrote:

I tried to make from my Dell lattitude E5540 running windows 10 a dual boot
with F31. Intallation of F31 runned as expected apart form one point: I made
a custom partion layout of the free space and it compalined that my BIOS
needed a small biosboot partition (so I also created that one).


It appears that you booted the USB drive using CSM (legacy) mode instead 
of EFI.  The biosboot requirement confirms that.



However after the installation the machine was unbootable. I had to chande
the boot mode in the bios form UEFI to legacy to get F31 booted. Windows 10
appeared not bootable anymore.

What did I miss? How should I proceed to get a dual boot machine?


You will need to reinstall again, but make sure you boot in EFI mode. 
You should be able to set your BIOS to only boot in EFI with no CSM 
available if necessary.  You can remove that biosboot partition during 
the install as well.

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Re: Failed to create a dual boot F31 windows 10 on Dell E5540

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From: Jouk Jansen 
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 11:27:25 AM
To: USERS@lists.fedoraproject.org 
Subject: Failed to create a dual boot F31 windows 10 on Dell E5540

Hi All,

I tried to make from my Dell lattitude E5540 running windows 10 a dual boot
with F31. Intallation of F31 runned as expected apart form one point: I made
a custom partion layout of the free space and it compalined that my BIOS
needed a small biosboot partition (so I also created that one).

However after the installation the machine was unbootable. I had to chande
the boot mode in the bios form UEFI to legacy to get F31 booted. Windows 10
appeared not bootable anymore.

What did I miss? How should I proceed to get a dual boot machine?

Regards
   Jouk


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>--<

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Failed to create a dual boot F31 windows 10 on Dell E5540

[Jouk Jansen]

Hi All,

I tried to make from my Dell lattitude E5540 running windows 10 a dual boot
with F31. Intallation of F31 runned as expected apart form one point: I made
a custom partion layout of the free space and it compalined that my BIOS
needed a small biosboot partition (so I also created that one).

However after the installation the machine was unbootable. I had to chande
the boot mode in the bios form UEFI to legacy to get F31 booted. Windows 10
appeared not bootable anymore.

What did I miss? How should I proceed to get a dual boot machine?

Regards
   Jouk


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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[sixpack13]

regarding Samsung - and I guess other vendors too - in the recovery partition 
resides a disk image (like dd..., or the like tools) from /dev/nvme0n1p1 up to 
p3

with that image you are able to reset the laptop to a state before first use in 
few minutes, so I guess it's different to an usb recovery stick !

usually there is a 
- tool to refresh/update the disk images in the recovery partition.
- maybe a Function Key shown during boot to start recovering/resetting the 
laptop to initial configured(!!!) state.

convenient !
re-creating the recovery partition, boot a windows usb stick/CD, starting the 
recovery tool in the recovery partition and you are fine if something bad 
happens to windows.
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Gianluca Cecchi]

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 3:00 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> I have a doubt because the current EFI System Partition is in the below
> > part under the "Unknown" group, while in several links (regarding older
> > Fedora versions) it was in the upper part too as if it had been
> > "recognized" by the installer to be managed by grub in the latest
> stage
> > see eg here:
> >
> http://linuxbsdos.com/2016/12/01/dual-boot-fedora-25-windows-10-on-a-computer-with-uefi-firmware/
>
> You probably need to manually assign that partition to /boot/efi.  Make
> sure it's not set to be formatted.
>

I have done as indicated by you and it completed without any problem.
I have now the nice boot screen with both Asus logo at the middle center
and fedora icon at the bottom center of the screen while booting and I can
choose with success Fedora, Windows and even a setup option that sends me
to the bios screen
I'm just writing this from the Fedora 30 on the new laptop ;-)
Thanks to all
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/19 12:39 PM,   sixpack13 wrote:

is this the same as what's in the recovery partition, *the complete configured 
Win-Installation* (with all vendor driver's/settings and the bloatware, too) ?


I've never figured out how to use that partition, but I think that when 
using the recovery USB, it recreates that partition.

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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/19 3:38 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
Probably I had to specify also that in Windows 10 the partition I have 
to shrink appears as bitlocker encrypted and in some places I found that 
in this case the only option is to shrink from within Windows. But it 
could be old info too..


If your windows partition is encrypted, then yes, you would have to 
shrink it from within windows.


I have a doubt because the current EFI System Partition is in the below 
part under the "Unknown" group, while in several links (regarding older 
Fedora versions) it was in the upper part too as if it had been 
"recognized" by the installer to be managed by grub in the latest stage

see eg here:
http://linuxbsdos.com/2016/12/01/dual-boot-fedora-25-windows-10-on-a-computer-with-uefi-firmware/


You probably need to manually assign that partition to /boot/efi.  Make 
sure it's not set to be formatted.

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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Cameron Simpson]

On 11May2019 00:38, Gianluca Cecchi  wrote:

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:57 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

That's correct.  (I assume you mean the 475GB partition though.)
Usually you will also want a /home partition as well.

[...]
Despite suggestions I plan to create only the partition for "/" and a 
swap partition

I don't need very much the /home one. And often I put docs and such inside
the ntfs-3g mounted Windows partition so I can access them both from Linux
and Windows (even if I have t pay performance/cpu cycles penalty for this).

[...]

Just to express some more opinion without providing more useful 
technical help, I like to have a /home partition. That way you can scrub 
the OS (either OS) without having to worry about /home. I entirely agree 
with having a shared NTFS partition to share data between the OSes, but 
I'd just keep a convenience symlink to it in my home dir.


Of course having a separate /home brings the pain of deciding how much 
room to give to the / partition.


Only this morning I bought a 64GB SD card for our home server, since its 
4GB boot drive is full (the boot drive is an SD card on the motherboard, 
very neat). That machine has a separate /home on a separate 500GB SSD; 
the boot drive is just the OS: the SSD has /tmp and /var.


I've also go one of these:

 ORICO USB 3 Transparent 2.5" SATA SSD HDD Hard Disk Drive Enclosure Case
 
https://www.amazon.com.au/Genuine-ORICO-Transparent-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B01M4LPQZQ/

that I'm meaning to make easy to velco to the back of my laptop lid at 
some point.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Gianluca Cecchi]

top posting here, just to say a big thank you to all who answered, Samuel
(the first one so this reply is to his mail message..), Roberto, sixpack13,
Dave, Chris (and Cameron while I'm writing...)
Ah, guys; this remembers me the old days when I approached for the first
time Linux and while trying to install Slackware 3.0 from Yggdrasil on an
HP workstation with Matrox card I posted on linux kernel mailing list to
ask help to run X Window System environment and in a few hours Alan Cox in
person answered giving two possible solutions (one of which to recompile
kernel...) that both worked, wow!
Six cd set with Slackware 3.0 still here like a relic... ;-)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XCuyJX3-hch4K_U97WhxaBYNChhWm5-D/view?usp=sharing

So some help/confirmations still needed, see below

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:57 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 5/10/19 4:37 AM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
> > One further info is that the disk is seen marked as gpt from fdisk.
>
> Yes, that is required for UEFI.
>
> > Having searched around in the mean time I found some further info, as I
> > have not been quite familiar with gpt disks until now...
> > It seems gparted doesn't work well with gpt and many advise to use
> > gdisk/sgdisk utilities instead, if I have understood correctly
>
> You must be seeing really old info, because I've been using it for years
> with no problem.
>
>
Probably I had to specify also that in Windows 10 the partition I have to
shrink appears as bitlocker encrypted and in some places I found that in
this case the only option is to shrink from within Windows. But it could be
old info too..

Anyway I was able to shrink the partitions and so I have now an allocated
space in the middle.


> That's correct.  (I assume you mean the 475GB partition though.)
> Usually you will also want a /home partition as well.
>

Yes, the "7" key (and others) works no more in a good way in my 7,5 years'
old Asus U36SD and this is one of the reasons I bought a new beast...
Original 475 became 45... ;-)


>
> > I have doubt about numbering, because p3 will become smaller and if I
> > create in the middle of p3 and p4 two more partitions, what will happen?
> > And could I still use the Windows Recovery one...?
>
> Yes, it's all fine.
>

Ok. Also noticed the info in another answer regarding Windows Media
creation tool... and partition numbers independent from their physical
position in gpt
thanks


>
> You can try, but I find it doesn't work as well as gparted.  Just make
> sure you backup anything important from the Windows side.
>

I made a dd of the entire disk from a live distro (Slax) via network (but
this is another funny story when nothing works as expected when you need
it, hello Murphy)

So far so good I created a live usb key from F30 workstation x86_64 UEFI
version and I was able to start it and begin the installation.
I chose "custom" option in Anaconda for partitioninh and this is the layout
seen:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iP7AjSmqeSSIN-NbK9NXrmX_38UFhrzX/view?usp=sharing

I have a doubt because the current EFI System Partition is in the below
part under the "Unknown" group, while in several links (regarding older
Fedora versions) it was in the upper part too as if it had been
"recognized" by the installer to be managed by grub in the latest stage
see eg here:
http://linuxbsdos.com/2016/12/01/dual-boot-fedora-25-windows-10-on-a-computer-with-uefi-firmware/

where the sda2 partition appears both in the upper side with grayed label
"SYSTEM" and in the Unknown group too

Can you confirm it is safe to proceed and create the partitions for Fedora?
Despite suggestions I plan to create only the partition for "/" and a swap
partition
I don't need very much the /home one. And often I put docs and such inside
the ntfs-3g mounted Windows partition so I can access them both from Linux
and Windows (even if I have t pay performance/cpu cycles penalty for this).
I rarely boot Windows (7) on my current laptop, but for example I had to do
just two days ago because I had to connect it to a usb-donkey based
projector and no driver for Linux... argh and to have access to the files
was a big plus

Cheers,
Gianluca
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Cameron Simpson]

On 10May2019 18:36,   sixpack13  wrote:

[...] save the disk layout (fdisk -l...)


I've been rather fond of the sfdisk command for saving layouts. (May not 
work with GPT partition tables, haven't tried that). It has the 
advantage (not necessarily relevant just here) that it can read its 
output. Great for setting up the same partition table again on another 
drive.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Chris Murphy]

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:37 AM Gianluca Cecchi
 wrote:
>
> It seems gparted doesn't work well with gpt and many advise to use 
> gdisk/sgdisk utilities instead, if I have understood correctly

gparted uses parted, and parted has supported GPT for a long time.
Whereas gdisk/sgdisk are much more user friendly, with the former
being similar in style to fdisk. These days, util-linux fdisk does
also support GPT.

> More, if disk is gpt I'm no more limited with 4 primary partitions, so in 
> theory I think I could shrink the 45Gb partition and then create 2 more 
> partitions for / fs (comprising /boot directory inside it) and swap partition 
> (just to manage possible events of shortage of memory, even if I have 16Gb of 
> ram on the laptop...)
>
> I have doubt about numbering, because p3 will become smaller and if I create 
> in the middle of p3 and p4 two more partitions, what will happen?

It depends on the tool but the typical case is the existing partition
entries, which dictate the partition numbering, remain intact. New
partitions, even though they use space "in the middle" of the drive
following p3, will have entries 5, 6, 7 ... If you care about this, at
least gdisk has an option to resort the partition entries to match up
with how the space is carved up. But there is no requirement to do
this, it's not better, it's a matter of personal preference. If you
have things that refer to partitions by number, e.g. /dev/sda6 for
swap, rather than UUID, then resorting the partitions give them a new
number and such node referencing will break, whereas UUID method will
still work.

> And could I still use the Windows Recovery one...?

No you should leave it alone.

> I also found some references that now you can shrink from Windows itself the 
> partition where it is running, so perhaps I could shrink from within it and 
> also create two more partitions then... and finally reboot and install Fedora?

Since the main Windows volume is owned by Windows and is a Microsoft
file system, I always do file system shrink in Windows. And then I let
the Fedora installer install into free space. It just really depends
on your comfort level. Having Windows shrink causes free space to be
created. And then Fedora's automatic partitioning will simply use it
correctly. You don't have to interact with it.


-- 
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[sixpack13]

is this the same as what's in the recovery partition, *the complete configured 
Win-Installation* (with all vendor driver's/settings and the bloatware, too) ?

don't know, my experiences are somewhat aged and only from win7 netbooks 
(Samsung).
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Dave Ihnat]

On 10 May at 13:43, Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> The easiest method is to use the Windows recovery option to create a
> recovery image on a USB drive.

You should do that, of course, but by the time it's ready to move on and
maybe become Windows again, that's going to be on VERY old image.

At the time you decide to change it back, just use the Windows 10 Media
Creation Tool (search for it).  If the machine was once licensed for
Win10, it's supposed to always be so.  (Hopefully, by the time you use this
laptop to the point you're ready to get rid of it, it'll be worthless
anyway...)

G'luck,
--
Dave Ihnat
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/19 11:36 AM,   sixpack13 wrote:

you should backup /dev/nvme0n1p4 (Windows recovery), save the disk layout 
(fdisk -l...) and maybe save your boot sector too (don't know if this relevant 
for UEFI) esp. if you got a function key (F2, F?, ..) during boot to recover 
you disk/windows.

think of the case if you want to sell the laptop in some years or recover a 
somehow damaged windows  (Virus, broken disk, ...)


The easiest method is to use the Windows recovery option to create a 
recovery image on a USB drive.

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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[sixpack13]

you should backup /dev/nvme0n1p4 (Windows recovery), save the disk layout 
(fdisk -l...) and maybe save your boot sector too (don't know if this relevant 
for UEFI) esp. if you got a function key (F2, F?, ..) during boot to recover 
you disk/windows.

think of the case if you want to sell the laptop in some years or recover a 
somehow damaged windows  (Virus, broken disk, ...)  
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Roberto Ragusa]

On 5/10/19 1:37 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:


I have doubt about numbering, because p3 will become smaller and if I create in 
the middle of p3 and p4 two more partitions, what will happen?


The new partitions can be called p5 and p6 even if placed between p3 and p4.
As far as you don't get confused by this, it will be ok.

If you can do the resizing (and maybe the creation of the new partitions) inside
Windows, do it, since it will not break itself (hopefully).

Regards.

--
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/19 4:37 AM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:

One further info is that the disk is seen marked as gpt from fdisk.


Yes, that is required for UEFI.

Having searched around in the mean time I found some further info, as I 
have not been quite familiar with gpt disks until now...
It seems gparted doesn't work well with gpt and many advise to use 
gdisk/sgdisk utilities instead, if I have understood correctly


You must be seeing really old info, because I've been using it for years 
with no problem.


More, if disk is gpt I'm no more limited with 4 primary partitions, so 
in theory I think I could shrink the 45Gb partition and then create 2 
more partitions for / fs (comprising /boot directory inside it) and swap 
partition (just to manage possible events of shortage of memory, even if 
I have 16Gb of ram on the laptop...)


That's correct.  (I assume you mean the 475GB partition though.) 
Usually you will also want a /home partition as well.


I have doubt about numbering, because p3 will become smaller and if I 
create in the middle of p3 and p4 two more partitions, what will happen?

And could I still use the Windows Recovery one...?


Yes, it's all fine.

I also found some references that now you can shrink from Windows itself 
the partition where it is running, so perhaps I could shrink from within 
it and also create two more partitions then... and finally reboot and 
install Fedora?
Making a simulation from within windows, without confirming, it says 
that it would be able to shrink from about half the size at about 242000 
MBytes...


You can try, but I find it doesn't work as well as gparted.  Just make 
sure you backup anything important from the Windows side.  In the very 
many dual-boot installs I've done, I've only had a couple that Windows 
wouldn't boot after.  No data lost though.  Make sure you do a clean 
restart from Windows before.

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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Gianluca Cecchi]

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 2:59 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 5/9/19 3:35 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I have a laptop with preinstalled Win10 where I want to side install
> > fedora 30 too.
>
> > /dev/nvme0n1p3567296  998574734 998007439 475.9G Microsoft basic data
> > /dev/nvme0n1p4 998576128 1000214527   1638400   800M Windows recovery
> > environment
>
> My preferred method is to install gparted on the live image and use it
> to shrink the big Windows partition by at least half.  Then do the
> install into that space.
>

Thanks for the tip.
One further info is that the disk is seen marked as gpt from fdisk.
Having searched around in the mean time I found some further info, as I
have not been quite familiar with gpt disks until now...
It seems gparted doesn't work well with gpt and many advise to use
gdisk/sgdisk utilities instead, if I have understood correctly
More, if disk is gpt I'm no more limited with 4 primary partitions, so in
theory I think I could shrink the 45Gb partition and then create 2 more
partitions for / fs (comprising /boot directory inside it) and swap
partition (just to manage possible events of shortage of memory, even if I
have 16Gb of ram on the laptop...)

I have doubt about numbering, because p3 will become smaller and if I
create in the middle of p3 and p4 two more partitions, what will happen?
And could I still use the Windows Recovery one...?

I also found some references that now you can shrink from Windows itself
the partition where it is running, so perhaps I could shrink from within it
and also create two more partitions then... and finally reboot and install
Fedora?
Making a simulation from within windows, without confirming, it says that
it would be able to shrink from about half the size at about 242000
MBytes...

Thanks for further advices guys... this UEFI, secure boot, gpt things are
not so familiar for me I needed about 20 minutes before being able to
boot from usb key... ;-)

Gianluca
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Re: how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/9/19 3:35 PM, Gianluca Cecchi wrote:

Hello,
I have a laptop with preinstalled Win10 where I want to side install 
fedora 30 too.
Current layout of partitions on disk is this one, if I start from an usb 
live:


Device             Start        End   Sectors   Size Type
/dev/nvme0n1p1      2048     534527    532480   260M EFI System
/dev/nvme0n1p2    534528     567295     32768    16M Microsoft reserved
/dev/nvme0n1p3    567296  998574734 998007439 475.9G Microsoft basic data
/dev/nvme0n1p4 998576128 1000214527   1638400   800M Windows recovery 
environment


My preferred method is to install gparted on the live image and use it 
to shrink the big Windows partition by at least half.  Then do the 
install into that space.

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how to have dual boot on new laptop

[Gianluca Cecchi]

Hello,
I have a laptop with preinstalled Win10 where I want to side install fedora
30 too.
Current layout of partitions on disk is this one, if I start from an usb
live:

# fdisk -l
Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 477 GiB, 512110190592 bytes, 1000215216 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: .

Device StartEnd   Sectors   Size Type
/dev/nvme0n1p1  2048 534527532480   260M EFI System
/dev/nvme0n1p2534528 567295 3276816M Microsoft reserved
/dev/nvme0n1p3567296  998574734 998007439 475.9G Microsoft basic data
/dev/nvme0n1p4 998576128 1000214527   1638400   800M Windows recovery
environment

Any suggestion on how to proceed?
Thanks in advance

Gianluca
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Tip: dual boot off of gpt , and legacy and UEFI

[ToddAndMargo via users]

OH HOLY [expletive deleted]!!!  I can't believe figured this out


UEFI.BIOS.Dual.Boot.txt:

References that stink:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=223015
https://bl.ocks.org/gdamjan/05b799162e4b3e97a30d37a89fed0fa8

https://forum.level1techs.com/t/configure-grub-to-boot-legacy-and-uefi/129382


Requirements:
   Fedora 29

   Before installing, gparted:
  Wipe the target disk

  create a partitin table as GPT

  create a first partition as
  1 Meg
  unformatted
  set the partition flag to "bios_grub"

   Install Fedora 29 from a UEFI machine:
  remove "/home" was removed at installation and moved into "/"

--->>>   PRESUMED !!!   <<<---
  The machine was install and booted from UEFI
  The machine is mounted as /dev/sda


Install the legacy BIOS boot loader:

Boot into fedora on UEFI

only installs 3 files
# dnf reinstall grub2-pc

create the BIOS .cfg file
# grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

You made room for this by making the 1 MB partition "bios_grub" so use 
"--force"
# grub2-install --force --removable --recheck --target=i386-pc 
--boot-directory=/boot /dev/sda




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Re: Cannot boot windows dual boot -- is this a grub issue?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 1/3/19 10:41 AM, William Oliver wrote:

So, here's an easier (I hope) question.  I remember back in the day,
when I would power up my machine in dual boot mode, grub would give me
a grub menu that let me choose the OS.  Now, it just comes up in
Windows. If I want to boot into Fedora, I have to get into BIOS boot
options and choose it there.  It's not that big a deal, but it would be
easier not to have to start hammering on the escape key when I
reboot...


Hopefully your BIOS has a place to change the priority of the boot 
options.  If you can't find that, then maybe you can use efibootmgr to 
change the order.

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[Solved]Re: Cannot boot windows dual boot -- is this a grub issue?

[William Oliver]

On Thu, 2019-01-03 at 12:44 -0500, William Oliver wrote:
> I just installed Fedora29 on my brand new HP laptop.  The
> installation
> went fine, and Fedora comes up fine.  However, I was trying to
> install
> it as a dual boot machine, and the Windows option does not come up
> either with a "normal" grub bootup or when I choose boot options in
> BIOS.
> 
> THe box has hybrid drive -- 256G SSD and 1 TB regular.  I'm
> installing
> everything on the SSD right now, and then will link out stuff or
> repartition just a bit to move things to the 1 TB drive.  But I
> thought
> I'd just stick to the SSD for installation to minimize hassles.
> 
> I didn't delete or overwrite the EFI partition, and /boot/efi has
> what
> appears to be old HP, Microsoft, and Boot directories in addition to
> the new fedora directory.
> 
> The only thing that was unusual in this installation was that I got
> the
> warning that because I was using GPT, I had to create a 1 MB
> bootsomethingsomething partition -- which I did.
> 
> So, now my drive looks like:
> 
> partition  name fs   mount sz  flags
> /dev/nvme0n1p1  EFI fat32   /boot/efi   260 MB boot,esp
> /dev/nvme0n1p2 MS reserved  unknown  16 MB msftres
> /dev/nvme0n1p3 basic data   ntfs60 GB  msftdata
> /dev/nvme0n1p5  grub2.core.img   2 MB  bios_grub
> /dev/nvme0n1p6  lvm2 pv  fedora 55.89 GB   lvm
> /dev/nvme0n1p4 basic data   ntfs   980
> MB  hidden,diag
> 
> There's about 121 unallocated GB on the SSD, and the 1 TB drive isn't
> mounted.
> 
> Eventually, this will be a triple boot system, with the other OS
> being
> qubesOS.  However, I need a vanilla Fedora boot option because
> qubesOS
> won't support some graphics I need for some apps. But, I usually
> install the Qubes stuff last, since it's such a joy.
> 
> So, I have two questions:
> 
> 1) WHat is this 1 M bootsomethingsomething I had to make?  It looks
> like it turned into something called bios_grub.  I've never had to do
> this before.
> 
> 2) Can someone point me to resources to learn how to troubleshoot
> making grub see my Windows stuff?  Or give me any ideas?
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> billo
> ___
> 

OK, my apologies to the list.   I had managed somewhere in my poking
around to turn on legacy boot, and installed Fedora then.  I noticed
that, disabled legacy boot (which then gave the very frightening
warning of "no operating system present"), and then re-installed
Fedora, and now both Windows and Fedora come up as options in the BIOS
boot options and both work.


So, here's an easier (I hope) question.  I remember back in the day,
when I would power up my machine in dual boot mode, grub would give me
a grub menu that let me choose the OS.  Now, it just comes up in
Windows. If I want to boot into Fedora, I have to get into BIOS boot
options and choose it there.  It's not that big a deal, but it would be
easier not to have to start hammering on the escape key when I
reboot...

billo
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Cannot boot windows dual boot -- is this a grub issue?

[William Oliver]

I just installed Fedora29 on my brand new HP laptop.  The installation
went fine, and Fedora comes up fine.  However, I was trying to install
it as a dual boot machine, and the Windows option does not come up
either with a "normal" grub bootup or when I choose boot options in
BIOS.

THe box has hybrid drive -- 256G SSD and 1 TB regular.  I'm installing
everything on the SSD right now, and then will link out stuff or
repartition just a bit to move things to the 1 TB drive.  But I thought
I'd just stick to the SSD for installation to minimize hassles.

I didn't delete or overwrite the EFI partition, and /boot/efi has what
appears to be old HP, Microsoft, and Boot directories in addition to
the new fedora directory.

The only thing that was unusual in this installation was that I got the
warning that because I was using GPT, I had to create a 1 MB
bootsomethingsomething partition -- which I did.

So, now my drive looks like:

partition  name fs   mount sz  flags
/dev/nvme0n1p1  EFI fat32   /boot/efi   260 MB boot,esp
/dev/nvme0n1p2 MS reserved  unknown  16 MB msftres
/dev/nvme0n1p3 basic data   ntfs60 GB  msftdata
/dev/nvme0n1p5  grub2.core.img   2 MB  bios_grub
/dev/nvme0n1p6  lvm2 pv  fedora 55.89 GB   lvm
/dev/nvme0n1p4 basic data   ntfs   980 MB  hidden,diag

There's about 121 unallocated GB on the SSD, and the 1 TB drive isn't
mounted.

Eventually, this will be a triple boot system, with the other OS being
qubesOS.  However, I need a vanilla Fedora boot option because qubesOS
won't support some graphics I need for some apps. But, I usually
install the Qubes stuff last, since it's such a joy.

So, I have two questions:

1) WHat is this 1 M bootsomethingsomething I had to make?  It looks
like it turned into something called bios_grub.  I've never had to do
this before.

2) Can someone point me to resources to learn how to troubleshoot
making grub see my Windows stuff?  Or give me any ideas?


Thanks!

billo
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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Samuel Sieb]

On 06/08/2018 11:06 PM, peterlesterh...@telfort.nl wrote:
So If I reinstall the way you suggest, and choose the HDD-disk as the 
boot drive, can I still go on with " custom" installation an put / on 
the SSD?

And shall I still have the advantage of a fast boot?


No, do the partitions the same way, but you need to select the SSD as 
the boot drive.  Then it will accept the EFI partition on that drive to 
be used as /boot/efi.

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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[peterlesterh...@telfort.nl]

I assume you've verified that the SSD has a GPT partition table.
Yes, I did.
Honestly, the easiest way to find out is start over, go to custom
partitioning, clock on the blue link to create partitions automatically,
and see what it chooses for /boot/efi.
I did this. I chose the SSD-disk, which contains also the Windows boot 
partition, to install Fedora 28. This is what happened. The installer (custom 
mode) creates LVM and a /boot partition. Not a /boot/efi partition. Did I boot 
into UEFI? I think so.
$ ls /sys/firmware/efi
config_table  esrt  fw_vendor  runtime-map
efivars   fw_platform_size  runtimesystab
$ sudo efibootmgr -v
BootCurrent: 0001
Timeout: 2 seconds
BootOrder: 0001,,0005
Boot* Windows Boot Manager  
HD(1,GPT,2d0b5dac-0a26-4268-8ba5-95dcdae8a821,0x800,0x82000)/File(\EFI\MICROSOFT\BOOT\BOOTMGFW.EFI)WINDOWS.x...B.C.D.O.B.J.E.C.T.=.{.9.d.e.a.8.6.2.c.-.5.c.d.d.-.4.e.7.0.-.a.c.c.1.-.f.3.2.b.3.4.4.d.4.7.9.5.}
Boot0001* Fedora
HD(1,GPT,2d0b5dac-0a26-4268-8ba5-95dcdae8a821,0x800,0x82000)/File(\EFI\FEDORA\SHIMX64.EFI)
Boot0005* Fedora
HD(1,GPT,2d0b5dac-0a26-4268-8ba5-95dcdae8a821,0x800,0x82000)/File(\EFI\FEDORA\SHIM.EFI)..BO
I found it and verified that it works. On the hard drive selection 
screen, in the bottom left corner, there's a boot selection link. Click 
that and you will get a dialog box that will let you select the other 
hard drive as the boot drive. Then it won't complain about the EFI 
partition.
So If I reinstall the way you suggest, and choose the HDD-disk as the boot 
drive, can I still go on with " custom" installation an put / on the SSD?
And shall I still have the advantage of a fast boot?
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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Chris Murphy]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> On 06/08/2018 07:14 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 11:05 PM Samuel Sieb > > wrote:
>> It's not about where / or /boot are.  It's about where it expects the
>> system to boot from.  It's the same as where to put GRUB on a non-UEFI
>> system.
>> That's even more ambiguous. It should have no such expectation on UEFI,
>> because booting is explicitly set in NVRAM with efibootmgr.
>
>
> No, it's about helping less experienced users, although the wording should
> be better and explain the real problem.  The BIOS might not look on the
> secondary drive for an EFI partition.

That is not how UEFI works at all. There is no such thing as primary
and secondary drives. There's explicit enumeration in NVRAM boot
entries, and there is a well defined implicit enumeration when the
explicit order indicates missing devices as well as how to handle
removable devices.


>In that case, the user will be
> wondering why their newly installed system doesn't boot.

No, UEFI doesn't work at all like BIOS in this regard.



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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Samuel Sieb]

On 06/08/2018 07:14 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 11:05 PM Samuel Sieb > wrote:

It's not about where / or /boot are.  It's about where it expects the
system to boot from.  It's the same as where to put GRUB on a non-UEFI
system. 

That's even more ambiguous. It should have no such expectation on UEFI, 
because booting is explicitly set in NVRAM with efibootmgr.


No, it's about helping less experienced users, although the wording 
should be better and explain the real problem.  The BIOS might not look 
on the secondary drive for an EFI partition.  In that case, the user 
will be wondering why their newly installed system doesn't boot.  I have 
filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1589332 about the 
error message.

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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Chris Murphy]

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 11:05 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 06/07/2018 10:00 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > That's such a goofy bug. It'd be fine to warn the user that /boot/efi
> > is somewhere other than either /boot or /  -  just let them know the
> > system won't boot if a device containing any of /boot/efi /boot or /
> > are missing (which should be obvious but I'll set that aside).
>
> It's not about where / or /boot are.  It's about where it expects the
> system to boot from.  It's the same as where to put GRUB on a non-UEFI
> system.


That's even more ambiguous. It should have no such expectation on UEFI,
because booting is explicitly set in NVRAM with efibootmgr.



By default it will want it on sda, but you can go in there and
> tell it to put it on sdb instead.
>

So you have to tell it where it goes twice. Once by explicitly setting
device along with mountpoint n custom UI. And again in the hidden
bootloader options UI.

Involving the user in bootloader stuff once is bad enough as it is. Twice
is comedic.

Yes, I'm rembering this bug now. It's pretty old.


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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Samuel Sieb]

On 06/07/2018 10:00 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:

That's such a goofy bug. It'd be fine to warn the user that /boot/efi
is somewhere other than either /boot or /  -  just let them know the
system won't boot if a device containing any of /boot/efi /boot or /
are missing (which should be obvious but I'll set that aside).


It's not about where / or /boot are.  It's about where it expects the 
system to boot from.  It's the same as where to put GRUB on a non-UEFI 
system.  By default it will want it on sda, but you can go in there and 
tell it to put it on sdb instead.

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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Chris Murphy]

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> On 06/07/2018 03:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>
>> On 06/05/2018 09:28 AM, Peter Lesterhuis wrote:
>>>
>>> I select the (Windows) /boot/efi partition in Anaconda installation
>>> screen and fill in "/boot/efi" in de mount-point window in the right side of
>>> the screen. At first this seems to work, because this appears under "New
>>> Fedora 28 installation" (left side). But when I have finished assigning
>>> mount-points and hit the "done" button, a error message
>>> <[IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/97k8dx.png[/IMG]> pops up.
>>>
>>> "No valid boot loader target device found. See below for details.
>>>
>>> For a UEFI installation, you must include an EFI System Partition on a
>>> GPT-formatted disk, mounted at /boot/efi."
>>
>>
>> I assume you've verified that the SSD has a GPT partition table.  It's
>> unlikely that it isn't, but just make sure.  The problem is more likely that
>> you are booting from the secondary drive.  I think there's a small button
>> somewhere to set the boot options.  Check in the disk selection and
>> partitioning screens.
>
>
> I found it and verified that it works.  On the hard drive selection screen,
> in the bottom left corner, there's a boot selection link.  Click that and
> you will get a dialog box that will let you select the other hard drive as
> the boot drive.  Then it won't complain about the EFI partition.

That's such a goofy bug. It'd be fine to warn the user that /boot/efi
is somewhere other than either /boot or /  -  just let them know the
system won't boot if a device containing any of /boot/efi /boot or /
are missing (which should be obvious but I'll set that aside).
Consider that the installer will, without warning, upon selection of
2+ drives, will create a rootfs LV across all of those selected
drives. And of course if any of those drives are missing, not only
will you probably not boot but chances are you get irreparable file
system corruption. *shrug*



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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Samuel Sieb]

On 06/07/2018 03:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 06/05/2018 09:28 AM, Peter Lesterhuis wrote:
I select the (Windows) /boot/efi partition in Anaconda installation 
screen and fill in "/boot/efi" in de mount-point window in the right 
side of the screen. At first this seems to work, because this appears 
under "New Fedora 28 installation" (left side). But when I have 
finished assigning mount-points and hit the "done" button, a error 
message <[IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/97k8dx.png[/IMG]> pops up.


"No valid boot loader target device found. See below for details.

For a UEFI installation, you must include an EFI System Partition on a 
GPT-formatted disk, mounted at /boot/efi."


I assume you've verified that the SSD has a GPT partition table.  It's 
unlikely that it isn't, but just make sure.  The problem is more likely 
that you are booting from the secondary drive.  I think there's a small 
button somewhere to set the boot options.  Check in the disk selection 
and partitioning screens.


I found it and verified that it works.  On the hard drive selection 
screen, in the bottom left corner, there's a boot selection link.  Click 
that and you will get a dialog box that will let you select the other 
hard drive as the boot drive.  Then it won't complain about the EFI 
partition.

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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Chris Murphy]

I'm suspicious the installer wants /boot/efi on the same drive as /
And if so it's a bug, but I can't remember if this ever got fixed yet.

Also, the only thing that cares about two EFI System partitions, is there
Windows installer. And only if there are two on one drive. One each on two
drives is not a problem.

Honestly, the easiest way to find out is start over, go to custom
partitioning, clock on the blue link to create partitions automatically,
and see what it chooses for /boot/efi.

Then start over again and use that same /boot/efi partition, creating other
things wherever you want. Or feel free to unwind and customize the
autopartioning. Just be really mindful, the installer does wonky things
when you've picked multiple drives for autopartioning, like it will create
a single LVM VG made from all the drives...


Chris Murphy

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game? Now for sure I want the Capitals to win.)
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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Samuel Sieb]

On 06/05/2018 09:28 AM, Peter Lesterhuis wrote:
I select the (Windows) /boot/efi partition in Anaconda installation 
screen and fill in "/boot/efi" in de mount-point window in the right 
side of the screen. At first this seems to work, because this appears 
under "New Fedora 28 installation" (left side). But when I have finished 
assigning mount-points and hit the "done" button, a error message 
<[IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/97k8dx.png[/IMG]> pops up.


"No valid boot loader target device found. See below for details.

For a UEFI installation, you must include an EFI System Partition on a 
GPT-formatted disk, mounted at /boot/efi."


I assume you've verified that the SSD has a GPT partition table.  It's 
unlikely that it isn't, but just make sure.  The problem is more likely 
that you are booting from the secondary drive.  I think there's a small 
button somewhere to set the boot options.  Check in the disk selection 
and partitioning screens.

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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Peter Lesterhuis]

On 06/03/2018 10:21 AM, Peter Lesterhuis wrote:
... 


Remember that /tmp does not use disk space. It's a RAM filesystem.
... 

If you modified the fstab, you could have just changed the current 
/home line to point to the new partition instead.
... 

During the installation /home is now on the SSD. Can I make a symlink 
to an new /home at the HDD-drive?
As I mentioned before, the easiest way would be to do a reinstall. 
Since the /home partition is on the SSD right now, if you put /home 
somewhere else, that space will be lost. You most likely would want 
that space in your root partition instead.
So I did a reinstall (i.e. several reinstalls). Fast boot is disabled.  
I chose custom partitioning.


I can put /home on the HDD all right. But now I can't mount the Windows 
/boot/efi partition. I have read that when you install fedora alongside 
Windows you must not have two /boot/efi partitions, because Windows 
can't handle that and won't boot.


I select the (Windows) /boot/efi partition in Anaconda installation 
screen and fill in "/boot/efi" in de mount-point window in the right 
side of the screen. At first this seems to work, because this appears 
under "New Fedora 28 installation" (left side). But when I have finished 
assigning mount-points and hit the "done" button, a error message 
<[IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/97k8dx.png[/IMG]> pops up.


"No valid boot loader target device found. See below for details.

For a UEFI installation, you must include an EFI System Partition on a 
GPT-formatted disk, mounted at /boot/efi."



I googled and found out that my problem is not unique, though I did not 
find a solution that worked for me.



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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Samuel Sieb]

On 06/04/2018 02:42 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2018-06-03 at 16:41 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 06/03/2018 04:37 PM, Tim via users wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 3 June 2018, Samuel Sieb sent:

Remember that /tmp does not use disk space.  It's a RAM filesystem.


Only if you mount it with the right options.

If you mount it with other options, or don't mount it and just have a
/tmp directory, it's going to be normal filesystem.


Ok, I didn't think I needed to spell it out.  By default, Fedora
configures /tmp as a tmpfs filesystem with no disk backing.


Except that (AFAIK) there is implicit disk backing via swap. Or is that
wrong?


Interesting, you are correct.  I didn't realize that tmpfs would swap 
out.  The previous RAM filesystems wouldn't.  I don't know if that's an 
improvement though...  Anyway, so yes, it does have some implicit 
backing via the swap partition.  However, that is still irrelevant in 
the context of partitioning the SSD other than possibly the size of the 
swap.

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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> Only if you mount it with the right options.
>> If you mount it with other options, or don't mount it and just have
>> a /tmp directory, it's going to be normal filesystem.

Samuel Sieb:
> Ok, I didn't think I needed to spell it out.  By default, Fedora 
> configures /tmp as a tmpfs filesystem with no disk backing.

I think it needed it.  They originally talked about mounting a /tmp
partition (and I don't know if that was fulfilling a need, or just a
habit).  So it bares pointing out that it won't always be tmpfs.

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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2018-06-03 at 16:41 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 06/03/2018 04:37 PM, Tim via users wrote:
> > Allegedly, on or about 3 June 2018, Samuel Sieb sent:
> > > Remember that /tmp does not use disk space.  It's a RAM filesystem.
> > 
> > Only if you mount it with the right options.
> > 
> > If you mount it with other options, or don't mount it and just have a
> > /tmp directory, it's going to be normal filesystem.
> 
> Ok, I didn't think I needed to spell it out.  By default, Fedora 
> configures /tmp as a tmpfs filesystem with no disk backing.

Except that (AFAIK) there is implicit disk backing via swap. Or is that
wrong?

poc
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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Samuel Sieb]

On 06/03/2018 04:37 PM, Tim via users wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 3 June 2018, Samuel Sieb sent:

Remember that /tmp does not use disk space.  It's a RAM filesystem.


Only if you mount it with the right options.

If you mount it with other options, or don't mount it and just have a
/tmp directory, it's going to be normal filesystem.


Ok, I didn't think I needed to spell it out.  By default, Fedora 
configures /tmp as a tmpfs filesystem with no disk backing.

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Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28

[Tim via users]

Allegedly, on or about 3 June 2018, Samuel Sieb sent:
> Remember that /tmp does not use disk space.  It's a RAM filesystem.

Only if you mount it with the right options.

If you mount it with other options, or don't mount it and just have a
/tmp directory, it's going to be normal filesystem.

-- 
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64

Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see
the messages posted to the mailing list.

I'd just like to say that vinyl record crackles and pops are far
less annoying than digigigigital mu-u-u-u-usic hiccicicicups and
yooo-u tu-be ... pauses.
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