Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[George N. White III]

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 01:23, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:
>
> > Have you tried the vga= kernel boot parameter?   For Xwindows it would be
> > good to get something other than VESA running, either i915 or by adding a
> > graphics card.
>
> I have now.
> No go.
>
> > I had a look at the dmesg log on an old system with Nvidia card.   It was
> > set to display
> > the startup messages, which were initially at low res then switched to
> the
> > resolution of
> > the monitor.  The switch appears to occur when dmesg reports that nouveau
> > has started.
> > Have you looked in dmesg for any indication of why it doesn't load the
> i915
> > driver?
>
> It does load the i915 driver.
> [   60.044675] pci :00:00.0: detected 8192K stolen memory
> [   60.054985] checking generic (e000 7f) vs hw (f010 8)
> [   60.054987] checking generic (e000 7f) vs hw (e000 1000)
> [   60.054988] fb0: switching to inteldrmfb from VESA VGA
> [   60.065317] Console: switching to colour dummy device 80x25
> [   60.065381] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console
> [   60.066924] [drm] ACPI BIOS requests an excessive sleep of 4022337523
> ms, using 1500 ms instead
> [   60.066933] [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 2 (21.10.2013).
> [   60.066936] [drm] Driver supports precise vblank timestamp query.
> [   60.067241] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes:
> olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem
> [   60.084775] [drm] Initialized overlay support.
> [   60.086225] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20200114 for :00:02.0 on
> minor 0
> [   60.086456] ACPI: Video Device [GFX0] (multi-head: no  rom: yes  post:
> no)
> [   60.086568] input: Video Bus as
> /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input12
> [   60.118670] fbcon: i915drmfb (fb0) is primary device
>

But the snippet from Xorg.0.log had:


[   109.570] (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device
[   109.571] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[   109.571] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.



> [   60.163409] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 180x56
> [   60.183707] i915 :00:02.0: fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device
>

If you edit the options in the boot command line to remove what ever "rhgb
quiet" has morphed to you should see the first few lines in low res. and
then the 180x56 text output.   Have a look at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen


> Is this bit from dmesg relevant?
> [0.676375] PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use
> "pci=nocrs" and report a bug
> [0.677023] ACPI: Enabled 11 GPEs in block 00 to 3F
> [0.685546] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (domain  [bus 00-ff])
> [0.68] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC: OS supports [ExtendedConfig ASPM
> ClockPM Segments MSI HPX-Type3]
> [0.685562] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): \_SB.PCI0._OSC: Excess arguments -
> ASL declared 5, ACPI requires 4 (20200110/nsarguments-160)
> [0.685616] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> [\_SB.PCI0._OSC.CAPD], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20200110/dsfield-181)
> [0.685625] ACPI Error: Aborting method \_SB.PCI0._OSC due to previous
> error (AE_ALREADY_EXISTS) (20200110/psparse-529)
>

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198003  I've seen this before,
probably on boxes similar to yours.
https://access.redhat.com/solutions/58790 explains workarounds and
their consequences, also useful is
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.6/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html


I'm calling it a night.
> Frustration is exhausting.
>

I was lucky that I didn't really need X11 to work on the similar boxes
(they ran lightweight batch processing
in a machine room and also managed the UPS's via serial ports).   Some
people actually repair the buggy BIOS:
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/acpi-error-excess-arguments-asl-declared-5-acpi-requires-4.71283/
.


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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 29 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:


Have you tried the vga= kernel boot parameter?   For Xwindows it would be
good to get something other than VESA running, either i915 or by adding a
graphics card.


I have now.
No go.


I had a look at the dmesg log on an old system with Nvidia card.   It was
set to display
the startup messages, which were initially at low res then switched to the
resolution of
the monitor.  The switch appears to occur when dmesg reports that nouveau
has started.
Have you looked in dmesg for any indication of why it doesn't load the i915
driver?


It does load the i915 driver.
[   60.044675] pci :00:00.0: detected 8192K stolen memory
[   60.054985] checking generic (e000 7f) vs hw (f010 8)
[   60.054987] checking generic (e000 7f) vs hw (e000 1000)
[   60.054988] fb0: switching to inteldrmfb from VESA VGA
[   60.065317] Console: switching to colour dummy device 80x25
[   60.065381] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console
[   60.066924] [drm] ACPI BIOS requests an excessive sleep of 4022337523 ms, 
using 1500 ms instead
[   60.066933] [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 2 (21.10.2013).
[   60.066936] [drm] Driver supports precise vblank timestamp query.
[   60.067241] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes: 
olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem
[   60.084775] [drm] Initialized overlay support.
[   60.086225] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20200114 for :00:02.0 on minor 0
[   60.086456] ACPI: Video Device [GFX0] (multi-head: no  rom: yes  post: no)
[   60.086568] input: Video Bus as 
/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input12
[   60.118670] fbcon: i915drmfb (fb0) is primary device
[   60.163409] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 180x56
[   60.183707] i915 :00:02.0: fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device


Is this bit from dmesg relevant?
[0.676375] PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use 
"pci=nocrs" and report a bug
[0.677023] ACPI: Enabled 11 GPEs in block 00 to 3F
[0.685546] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (domain  [bus 00-ff])
[0.68] acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC: OS supports [ExtendedConfig ASPM ClockPM 
Segments MSI HPX-Type3]
[0.685562] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): \_SB.PCI0._OSC: Excess arguments - ASL 
declared 5, ACPI requires 4 (20200110/nsarguments-160)
[0.685616] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object 
[\_SB.PCI0._OSC.CAPD], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20200110/dsfield-181)
[0.685625] ACPI Error: Aborting method \_SB.PCI0._OSC due to previous error 
(AE_ALREADY_EXISTS) (20200110/psparse-529)


I'm calling it a night.
Frustration is exhausting.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 29 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:


Have you tried the vga= kernel boot parameter?   For Xwindows it would be
good to get something other than VESA running, either i915 or by adding a
graphics card.


I'll try that next,
though the problem seems to be that a power that be
seems to think I only have a 640x480 screen.
Vesa finds larger modes.


I had a look at the dmesg log on an old system with Nvidia card.   It was
set to display
the startup messages, which were initially at low res then switched to the
resolution of
the monitor.  The switch appears to occur when dmesg reports that nouveau
has started.
Have you looked in dmesg for any indication of why it doesn't load the i915
driver?


I'll try.



https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/gpu/i915.html says: "The drm/i915
driver supports all (with the exception of some very early models)
integrated GFX chipsets with both Intel display and rendering blocks."   It
is possible that your system is one of those "very early models", or that
the kernel developers removed support for some not quite as early models.
The driver also needs a .bin
firmware file.  I have had problems with other hardware when upstream
omitted the firmware files
needed by old hardware.


I have the latest and greatest firmware.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[George N. White III]

On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 10:56, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> For whatever reason,
> the persistent overlay does not work for me.
>
> I can get to runlevel 3 with or without nomodeset.
> With nomodeset,
> telinit 5
> brings me to 640x480 .
> Without nomodeset, it fails:
> the oh no screen rears its ugly head.
>
> Is there something I can do at runlevel 3
> to get a mode other than 640x480 ?
>

Have you tried the vga= kernel boot parameter?   For Xwindows it would be
good to get something other than VESA running, either i915 or by adding a
graphics card.

>
> Is there something that will change xrandr's
> idea of the screen size?
>

I had a look at the dmesg log on an old system with Nvidia card.   It was
set to display
the startup messages, which were initially at low res then switched to the
resolution of
the monitor.  The switch appears to occur when dmesg reports that nouveau
has started.
Have you looked in dmesg for any indication of why it doesn't load the i915
driver?

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/gpu/i915.html says: "The drm/i915
driver supports all (with the exception of some very early models)
integrated GFX chipsets with both Intel display and rendering blocks."   It
is possible that your system is one of those "very early models", or that
the kernel developers removed support for some not quite as early models.
 The driver also needs a .bin
firmware file.  I have had problems with other hardware when upstream
omitted the firmware files
needed by old hardware.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

For whatever reason,
the persistent overlay does not work for me.

I can get to runlevel 3 with or without nomodeset.
With nomodeset,
telinit 5
brings me to 640x480 .
Without nomodeset, it fails:
the oh no screen rears its ugly head.

Is there something I can do at runlevel 3
to get a mode other than 640x480 ?

Is there something that will change xrandr's
idea of the screen size?

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 28 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


On Thu, 28 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I don't recall you mentioning which live image you're using.  Assuming it's 
workstation, edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncomment the line with 
"WaylandEnable=false".  Then reboot and see what happens.


'Twas only in the first post:
On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


I've trying to run Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
on my HP Compac dc5800 Small Form Factor.


Alas when I boot, I get the message
Unable to find persistent overlay; using temporary one.


I tried booting to runlevel 3,
editing custom.conf and telinit 5 .
Without nomodeset , it gave me the Oh no ssscreen.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 28 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I don't recall you mentioning which live image you're using.  Assuming it's 
workstation, edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncomment the line with 
"WaylandEnable=false".  Then reboot and see what happens.


'Twas only in the first post:
On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


I've trying to run Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
on my HP Compac dc5800 Small Form Factor.


Alas when I boot, I get the message
Unable to find persistent overlay; using temporary one.

I'd used the following command and had gotten the ok:
[root@localhost-live ~]# livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 
1024 *.iso /dev/sdc

Grrr.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/28/20 1:16 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 1024 
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.2.iso /dev/sdd


Replace the sdd with your USB drive, this will completely wipe the 
drive. Put the name of whatever iso image you're using instead of the 
workstation one. The 1024 makes a 1GB overlay.  When you boot that 
drive, any changes you make will be persistent.  You can install 
packages, change configs, whatever you want, up to 1GB of changes. 
There's also an option to create a home partition as well, optionally 
encrypted, but you don't need that right now. For now, the /home 
directory will be part of the overlay.


Done that.
I suppose now I need to boot and
figure out the changes I need to make.


I don't recall you mentioning which live image you're using.  Assuming 
it's workstation, edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncomment the line with 
"WaylandEnable=false".  Then reboot and see what happens.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 1024 
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.2.iso /dev/sdd


Replace the sdd with your USB drive, this will completely wipe the drive. 
Put the name of whatever iso image you're using instead of the workstation 
one. The 1024 makes a 1GB overlay.  When you boot that drive, any changes you 
make will be persistent.  You can install packages, change configs, whatever 
you want, up to 1GB of changes. There's also an option to create a home 
partition as well, optionally encrypted, but you don't need that right now. 
For now, the /home directory will be part of the overlay.


Done that.
I suppose now I need to boot and
figure out the changes I need to make.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Wed, 27 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:


https://www.systutorials.com/configuration-of-linux-kernel-video-mode/
has an incantation (from 2015) to display available video modes.


Got it.
vbeinfo notices several resolutions at at least two resolutions each:
1920 x 1440 at 8 or 16 bits
1600 x 1200, 1280 x 1024, 1024 x 768 and 640 x 480 at 8, 16 or 32 bits
It claims that 1440 x 900 is the preferred mode,
but gives no mode number.
Note that the first three modes are larger than 1140 x 900.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

I now have live-cd-tools.
They and the tutorial website will have to wait until tomorrow.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/27/20 7:45 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:


On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Assuming you have another computer available, install the 
"livecd-tools" package and run something like this:


livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 1024 
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.2.iso /dev/sdd


Any reason /dev/sdd could not be the USB adapter to an SD card?
That is how I booted this time.


You can write to anything that looks like a block device.  Just put the 
right /dev name in the command.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Wed, 27 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:


On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 02:46, Tim via users 
wrote:


On Tue, 2020-05-26 at 18:56 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:

VESA notices several resolutionns,
including 1024x768 and 800x600 .
I really do not understand why none of them are allowed.




As a general answer, the system checks out what the graphics chipset
can produce, and what the monitor supports, and will only make use of
mutually compatible modes.  It doesn't just look at the resolution, it
also looks at the scan rates (or pixel frequencies, for modern screen
types that don't really scan).



Correct. In this case I don't believe it gets the real monitor properties
(OP didn't say what he has).


Acer V198w
From google, its native resolution appears to be 1440x900,
which is what Centos 7 uses.


From the excerpt of the Xorg.0.log I think it chose the only 60 hz refresh

rate mode.I've seen that problem with KVM switches. When the attempt
to get supported modes from the display fails some old VESA table
(for CRT's) was used (the wrong settings could fry an old CRT monitor
so err on the side of caution).


Actually it did find a 1440x900 60 Hz mode.
Didn't use it.
IIRC it claimed that the mode it did use came from a file.
I thought I'd found the right directory,
but I haven't found that mode.

I remember those days.
I only changed video modes with BIOS calls.
The CRT would go thunk.
Not sure what I was doing wrong.
Other programs that changed video modes did not go thunk.


https://www.systutorials.com/configuration-of-linux-kernel-video-mode/
has an incantation (from 2015) to display available video modes.


I'll look into that this afternoon.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Assuming you have another computer available, install the "livecd-tools" 
package and run something like this:


livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 1024 
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.2.iso /dev/sdd


Any reason /dev/sdd could not be the USB adapter to an SD card?
That is how I booted this time.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I'll answer in more detail to the other email, but what happens if you just 
run "startx".


I tried it on another virtual console.
It crashed, but I do not remember details.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[George N. White III]

On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 02:46, Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2020-05-26 at 18:56 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> > VESA notices several resolutionns,
> > including 1024x768 and 800x600 .
> > I really do not understand why none of them are allowed.


> As a general answer, the system checks out what the graphics chipset
> can produce, and what the monitor supports, and will only make use of
> mutually compatible modes.  It doesn't just look at the resolution, it
> also looks at the scan rates (or pixel frequencies, for modern screen
> types that don't really scan).
>

Correct. In this case I don't believe it gets the real monitor properties
(OP didn't say what he has).

>From the excerpt of the Xorg.0.log I think it chose the only 60 hz refresh
rate mode.I've seen that problem with KVM switches. When the attempt
to get supported modes from the display fails some old VESA table
(for CRT's) was used (the wrong settings could fry an old CRT monitor
so err on the side of caution).

https://www.systutorials.com/configuration-of-linux-kernel-video-mode/
has an incantation (from 2015) to display available video modes.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Tim via users]

On Tue, 2020-05-26 at 18:56 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> VESA notices several resolutionns,
> including 1024x768 and 800x600 .
> I really do not understand why none of them are allowed.

As a general answer, the system checks out what the graphics chipset
can produce, and what the monitor supports, and will only make use of
mutually compatible modes.  It doesn't just look at the resolution, it
also looks at the scan rates (or pixel frequencies, for modern screen
types that don't really scan).
 
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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/26/20 7:46 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:


On 5/26/20 12:24 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:



Note that since I using a live DVD,
changing a config file and
rebooting is not really an option.


Are you using a physical DVD or a live image put on USB?  If you put 
it on USB, then you can add an overlay so you can modify the config 
files.


I'd used an image on USB once and subsquently used a physical DVD,
mostly out of familiarity.
Could you give me a pointer on how to do overlays?


Assuming you have another computer available, install the "livecd-tools" 
package and run something like this:


livecd-iso-to-disk --format --msdos --overlay-size-mb 1024 
Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.2.iso /dev/sdd


Replace the sdd with your USB drive, this will completely wipe the 
drive.  Put the name of whatever iso image you're using instead of the 
workstation one. The 1024 makes a 1GB overlay.  When you boot that 
drive, any changes you make will be persistent.  You can install 
packages, change configs, whatever you want, up to 1GB of changes. 
There's also an option to create a home partition as well, optionally 
encrypted, but you don't need that right now.  For now, the /home 
directory will be part of the overlay.


If you don't make any changes to the boot command line other than 
adding a "3" at the end, does it boot to a login prompt?


I'll check.

Is there any way to tell what resolution it uses for the menu screen?


I don't know of any way to tell.
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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/26/20 7:56 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

If you don't make any changes to the boot command line other than 
adding a "3" at the end, does it boot to a login prompt?


Yes.
I'm using it.
I suppose this means that if I knew the right incantation,
I could get what I want  with startx and the
right combination of arguments and config files.


I'll answer in more detail to the other email, but what happens if you 
just run "startx".

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:

If you don't make any changes to the boot command line other than adding a 
"3" at the end, does it boot to a login prompt?


Yes.
I'm using it.
I suppose this means that if I knew the right incantation,
I could get what I want  with startx and the
right combination of arguments and config files.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote:


On 5/26/20 12:24 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:



Note that since I using a live DVD,
changing a config file and
rebooting is not really an option.


Are you using a physical DVD or a live image put on USB?  If you put it on 
USB, then you can add an overlay so you can modify the config files.


I'd used an image on USB once and subsquently used a physical DVD,
mostly out of familiarity.
Could you give me a pointer on how to do overlays?

If you don't make any changes to the boot command line other than adding a 
"3" at the end, does it boot to a login prompt?


I'll check.

Is there any way to tell what resolution it uses for the menu screen?

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


According to modprobe, lsmod and /proc/modules ,
i915 exists and intel_gap does not.

VESA notices several resolutionns,
including 1024x768 and 800x600 .
I really do not understand why none of them are allowed.


Also, I do not understand this snippet from dmesg:

[   52.473023] usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp
[   52.520979] pci :00:00.0: Intel Q33 Chipset
[   52.521068] pci :00:00.0: detected gtt size: 524288K total, 262144K 
mappable
[   52.521944] pci :00:00.0: detected 8192K stolen memory
[   52.522054] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console
[   52.522629] Console: switching to colour dummy device 80x25
[   52.523241] [drm] ACPI BIOS requests an excessive sleep of 4022337523 ms, 
using 1500 ms instead
[   52.523250] [drm] Supports vblank timestamp caching Rev 2 (21.10.2013).
[   52.523252] [drm] Driver supports precise vblank timestamp query.
[   52.523558] i915 :00:02.0: vgaarb: changed VGA decodes: 
olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=io+mem:owns=io+mem
[   52.540604] [drm] Initialized overlay support.
[   52.541025] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20200114 for :00:02.0 on minor 0
[   52.541259] ACPI: Video Device [GFX0] (multi-head: no  rom: yes  post: no)
[   52.541379] input: Video Bus as 
/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/LNXVIDEO:00/input/input12
[   52.578582] fbcon: i915drmfb (fb0) is primary device
[   52.609798] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 180x56
[   52.630083] i915 :00:02.0: fb0: i915drmfb frame buffer device
[   52.867332] audit: type=1130 audit(1590532527.271:97): pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 
ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 msg='unit=systemd-udev-settle 
comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? 
res=success'

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/26/20 12:24 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


How do I get xrandr or something else to do what I want,
i.e. change my resolution to 1440x900
when using the live DVD..


Note that since I using a live DVD,
changing a config file and
rebooting is not really an option.


Are you using a physical DVD or a live image put on USB?  If you put it 
on USB, then you can add an overlay so you can modify the config files.


If you don't make any changes to the boot command line other than adding 
a "3" at the end, does it boot to a login prompt?

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

According to modprobe, lsmod and /proc/modules ,
i915 exists and intel_gap does not.

VESA notices several resolutionns,
including 1024x768 and 800x600 .
I really do not understand why none of them are allowed.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 26 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:


On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 16:19, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:



I upgraded from 2GB to 8GB.

liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ lspci | head -3
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express DRAM Controller (rev
02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
00:03.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express MEI
Controller (rev 02)



This should be using the i915 driver, but


Is ther a way to tell whether the DVD does not
have i915 or has i915 and botches?


https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110573/what-is-i915-modeset-1-for#110589
may
explain some of your symptoms and has links to troubleshooting
examples.  I remember fighting with graphics on similar systems at work



liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ xrandr
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 480
default connected primary 640x480+0+0 0mm x 0mm
640x4800.00*
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$

Note maximum 640 x 480 .



Expected when using VESA.


Wasn't to me, especially since VESA found 1440x900 .
Also virtual console 3 gives me 1440 horizontal pixels:
160 9 pixel wide characters.

I think that the screen from which I
select run or install is a grub menu.
In any case, tab allows me to select kernel parameters.
Assuming I can get to another virtual console from there,
can I do something to make it work?

I'm going to try something now,
so might not be reading the list for a while.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[George N. White III]

On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 16:19, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 04:25, Michael Hennebry <
> > henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 26 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> >>
> >>> How do I get xrandr or something else to do what I want,
> >>> i.e. change my resolution to 1440x900
> >>> when using the live DVD..
>
> > We can't provide useful answers without more details of your hardware.
> > Were you running Centos 7 on the same HP Compac (sic) dc5800 Small Form
> > Factor?  If so were you using 32-bit or 64-bit CentoOS 7?  Are you using
> a
> > KVM switch?   The dc5800 came in many configurations, with RAM as little
> as
>
> Yes.  64-bit.  No.
>
> > 2GB and optional graphics cards.   Onboard graphics usually steals system
> > RAM memory space, so with 64-bit OS and 2G RAM you could be stuck with
> low
> > resolution.  KVM switches sometimes fail to pass correct monitor details.
>
> I upgraded from 2GB to 8GB.
>
> liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ lspci | head -3
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express DRAM Controller (rev
> 02)
> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express
> Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
> 00:03.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express MEI
> Controller (rev 02)
>

This should be using the i915 driver, but
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110573/what-is-i915-modeset-1-for#110589
may
explain some of your symptoms and has links to troubleshooting
examples.  I remember fighting with graphics on similar systems at work
after they failed to run the new version of Windows.  Ours had ATI cards
but the drivers were buggy.   I used to keep a collection of graphics cards
for such situations, but in this case (with 2G RAM) I used them in headless
mode.


> [liveuser@localhost-live ~]$
>
> > What does "env | grep wayland" give?
>
> liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ env | grep -i wayland
> [liveuser@localhost-live ~]$
>
> > What do you get from "xrandr" without options?
>
> liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ xrandr
> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 480
> default connected primary 640x480+0+0 0mm x 0mm
> 640x4800.00*
> [liveuser@localhost-live ~]$
>
> Note maximum 640 x 480 .
>

Expected when using VESA.


>
> > Are there errors in Xorg.0.log?
>
> Yes.
>

Expected for VESA.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 26 May 2020, George N. White III wrote:


On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 04:25, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:


On Tue, 26 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


How do I get xrandr or something else to do what I want,
i.e. change my resolution to 1440x900
when using the live DVD..



We can't provide useful answers without more details of your hardware.
Were you running Centos 7 on the same HP Compac (sic) dc5800 Small Form
Factor?  If so were you using 32-bit or 64-bit CentoOS 7?  Are you using a
KVM switch?   The dc5800 came in many configurations, with RAM as little as


Yes.  64-bit.  No.


2GB and optional graphics cards.   Onboard graphics usually steals system
RAM memory space, so with 64-bit OS and 2G RAM you could be stuck with low
resolution.  KVM switches sometimes fail to pass correct monitor details.


I upgraded from 2GB to 8GB.

liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ lspci | head -3
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express Integrated 
Graphics Controller (rev 02)
00:03.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 82Q33 Express MEI 
Controller (rev 02)
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$


What does "env | grep wayland" give?


liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ env | grep -i wayland
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$


What do you get from "xrandr" without options?


liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ xrandr
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 480
default connected primary 640x480+0+0 0mm x 0mm
   640x4800.00* 
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$


Note maximum 640 x 480 .


Are there errors in Xorg.0.log?


Yes.
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ grep -F "(EE)" /var/log/X*
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[   109.452] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[   109.453] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[   109.570] (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device
[   109.571] (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
[   109.571] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
[   109.571] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section.
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$

liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ grep -F -e 1440 /var/log/X* | wc
 11 138 898
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ grep -F -e 640 /var/log/X* | wc
 22 1771211
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ grep -F -e 640 -e 1440 /var/log/X* 
[   109.871] (II) VESA(0): 640x480@60Hz

[   109.871] (II) VESA(0): 640x480@67Hz
[   109.871] (II) VESA(0): 640x480@72Hz
[   109.871] (II) VESA(0): 640x480@75Hz
[   109.871] (II) VESA(0): #0: hsize: 1440  vsize 900  refresh: 60  vid: 149
[   109.871] (II) VESA(0): #1: hsize: 1440  vsize 900  refresh: 75  vid: 3989
[   109.871] (II) VESA(0): h_active: 1440  h_sync: 1520  h_sync_end 1672 
h_blank_end 1904 h_border: 0
   109.871] (II) VESA(0): Serial No: LBP0C0164004
[   109.872] (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1440x900"x0.0  106.50  1440 1520 1672 1904 
 900 903 909 934 -hsync +vsync (55.9 kHz eP)
[   109.872] (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   31.50  640 656 720 840  480 
481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e)
[   109.872] (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   31.50  640 664 704 832  480 
489 492 520 -hsync -vsync (37.9 kHz e)
[   109.872] (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   30.24  640 704 768 864  480 
483 486 525 -hsync -vsync (35.0 kHz e)
[   109.872] (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0   25.18  640 656 752 800  480 
490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e)
[   109.872] (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  135.00  1280 1296 1440 
1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e)
[   109.872] (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1440x900"x0.0  136.75  1440 1536 1688 1936 
 900 903 909 942 -hsync +vsync (70.6 kHz e)
[   109.872] (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0  108.00  1280 1328 1440 
1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e)
[   109.879] Mode: 13c (1920x1440)
[   109.879]YResolution: 1440
[   109.880] Mode: 14d (1920x1440)
[   109.880]YResolution: 1440
[   109.884]BytesPerScanline: 6400
[   109.884]LinBytesPerScanLine: 6400
[   109.911] *Mode: 112 (640x480)
[   109.911]XResolution: 640
[   109.914] Mode: 101 (640x480)
[   109.914]BytesPerScanline: 640
[   109.914]XResolution: 640
[   109.915]LinBytesPerScanLine: 640
[   109.916] Mode: 111 (640x480)
[   109.916]XResolution: 640
[   109.919] (II) VESA(0): Virtual size is 640x480 (pitch 640)
[   109.919] (**) VESA(0): *Built-in mode "640x480"
[   110.114] (II) VESA(0): Setting up VESA Mode 0x112 (640x480)
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$


With 64-bit linux the system is very slow and eventually gives a reboot
popup blaming firefox -- probably due to the limited RAM.


A motivation for my 8GB.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[George N. White III]

On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 04:25, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>
> > How do I get xrandr or something else to do what I want,
> > i.e. change my resolution to 1440x900
> > when using the live DVD..
>
> Note that since I using a live DVD,
> changing a config file and
> rebooting is not really an option.
>
> > It is what I have on Centos 7.
> > That is where I got the numbers to use.
>

We can't provide useful answers without more details of your hardware.
Were you running Centos 7 on the same HP Compac (sic) dc5800 Small Form
Factor?  If so were you using 32-bit or 64-bit CentoOS 7?  Are you using a
KVM switch?   The dc5800 came in many configurations, with RAM as little as
2GB and optional graphics cards.   Onboard graphics usually steals system
RAM memory space, so with 64-bit OS and 2G RAM you could be stuck with low
resolution.  KVM switches sometimes fail to pass correct monitor details.


What does "env | grep wayland" give?
What do you get from "xrandr" without options?
Are there errors in Xorg.0.log?

I have an iMac with a Core 2 Duo CPU, ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 graphics,
and 2G ram. It is very usable running 32-bit Linux Mint 19 with 1680x1050
Xorg graphics.  Booting live 64-bit Fedora 30 from USB takes a very long
time, and ends up using X11 graphics:

[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ env | grep wayland
[liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ xrandr
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
Screen 0: minimum 1680 x 1050, current 1680 x 1050, maximum 1680 x 1050
default connected primary 1680x1050+0+0 0mm x 0mm
   1680x1050 77.00*

With 64-bit linux the system is very slow and eventually gives a reboot
popup blaming firefox -- probably due to the limited RAM.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Tue, 26 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


How do I get xrandr or something else to do what I want,
i.e. change my resolution to 1440x900
when using the live DVD..


Note that since I using a live DVD,
changing a config file and
rebooting is not really an option.


It is what I have on Centos 7.
That is where I got the numbers to use.




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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Mon, 25 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


[liveuser@localhost-live proc]$ xrandr --fb 1440x900
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 640x480 (desired size 1440x900)
[liveuser@localhost-live proc]$


So I tried these commands:
xrandr --newmode "1440x900" 106.5 1440 1520 1672 1904  900 903 909 934

xrandr --addmode default 1440x900
xrandr --fb 1440x900
liveuser@localhost-live ~]$ xrandr --output default --mode 1440x900
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed

How do I get xrandr or something else to do what I want,
i.e. change my resolution to 1440x900
when using the live DVD..
It is what I have on Centos 7.
That is where I got the numbers to use.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


I tried adding nomodeset grub_gfxmode=1440x900 ,
but still got 640x480 .

cat cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz initrd=initrd.img root=live:CDLABEL=Fedora-WS-Live-32-1-6 
rd.live.image nomodeset grub_gfxmode=1440x900


[liveuser@localhost-live proc]$ xrandr --fb 1440x900
xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 640x480 (desired size 1440x900)
[liveuser@localhost-live proc]$

Grrr.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


Following the example in Troubleshoot,
I added nomodeset to the boot command in Start.
It booted and it works,
but the screen is only 640x480 .

Is there a way to adjust this?


I tried adding nomodeset grub_gfxmode=1440x900 ,
but still got 640x480 .

cat cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz initrd=initrd.img root=live:CDLABEL=Fedora-WS-Live-32-1-6 
rd.live.image nomodeset grub_gfxmode=1440x900


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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


I was more methodical this time:
Start without acpi=off , it goes to the try/install choice
and without waiting goes to the something went wrong screen.
Start with acpi=off does not get that far, kernel panic,
tried to kill idle process.
Test without acpi=off says something about blacklisting all devices
and then behaves like Start.
Test with acpi=off panics like Start.
I'm using Troubleshoot and basic graphics mode without acpi=off .
Terminal is only 78 characters wide.
Not good.


Following the example in Troubleshoot,
I added nomodeset to the boot command in Start.
It booted and it works,
but the screen is only 640x480 .

Is there a way to adjust this?

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


It gets further.
I get to a GUI that offers run live vs install.
Selecting run live gets me to a declaration
that it could not recover from an error.


I was more methodical this time:
Start without acpi=off , it goes to the try/install choice
and without waiting goes to the something went wrong screen.
Start with acpi=off does not get that far, kernel panic,
tried to kill idle process.
Test without acpi=off says something about blacklisting all devices
and then behaves like Start.
Test with acpi=off panics like Start.
I'm using Troubleshoot and basic graphics mode without acpi=off .
Terminal is only 78 characters wide.
Not good.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sun, 24 May 2020, Michael Hennebry wrote:


Will try the BIOS update after I calm down.
'Tis my guess that computers do not work
well after being thrown through a wall.


BIOS updated.
Still won't boot.
G.

It gets further.
I get to a GUI that offers run live vs install.
Selecting run live gets me to a declaration
that it could not recover from an error.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

Will try the BIOS update after I calm down.
'Tis my guess that computers do not work
well after being thrown through a wall.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[George N. White III]

On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 18:37, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> I've trying to run Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
> on my HP Compac dc5800 Small Form Factor.
> It kernel panics with the message that it attempted to kill init
> or that it attempted to kill the idle task.
> In the former case, it gives exit code 0x0009.
>
> Have you updated the BIOS?  See: [SOLVED] (Linux Mint 19) Kernel Panic on
HP Compaq dc5800 Small Form Factor PC



> For several months,
> I've been running Centos 7 with no difficulty in booting,
> except for needing acpi=off .
> I've needed that on every computer I've ever owned.
> I know roughly what it means,
> but have no idea why it would matter.
> The live DVD, including Troubleshoot, crashes with or without acpi=off .
>
> How do I boot?
>
>

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[John Pilkington]

On 24/05/2020 22:36, Michael Hennebry wrote:

I've trying to run Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
on my HP Compac dc5800 Small Form Factor.
It kernel panics with the message that it attempted to kill init
or that it attempted to kill the idle task.
In the former case, it gives exit code 0x0009.

For several months,
I've been running Centos 7 with no difficulty in booting,
except for needing acpi=off .
I've needed that on every computer I've ever owned.
I know roughly what it means,
but have no idea why it would matter.
The live DVD, including Troubleshoot, crashes with or without acpi=off .

How do I boot?


This looks like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1520265

which was fixed for me by a bios update.

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Re: fedora 32 live DVD crashes

[Michael Hennebry]

I have the same problem using an SD card and a USB SD card reader.

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