Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Tue, 2020-07-28 at 09:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, Jack Craig wrote: > > > > And yet you didn't ... > > > > > > > sorry, i'll continue to work on it.. > > Also, do not quote the boilerplate: +1 poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Tue, 2020-07-28 at 09:18 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > I suspect that one reason top posting is strongly discouraged > is that it correlates strongly with failure to trim. to which questions. what's being asked and answered, and which answers apply order that the words need to be read to quickly understand being incoherent when you can't easily read them in the I'm quite sure the *prime* reason is to do with messages -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.13.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 23 15:46:38 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, Jack Craig wrote: And yet you didn't ... sorry, i'll continue to work on it.. Also, do not quote the boilerplate: ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Sorry but your password must contain an uppercase letter, a number, a haiku, a gang sign, a heiroglyph, and the blood of a virgin." -- someeecards ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, Todd Zullinger wrote: Jack Craig wrote: PS: does the list still have a preference for top or bottom posting replies? Thanks for asking! Top posting is (still) strongly discouraged. The preference is to reply below the text to which you are replying, while avoiding quoting the entire message and replying at the bottom. I suspect that one reason top posting is strongly discouraged is that it correlates strongly with failure to trim. With top post, quite often most of the quotations will be boilerplate that should almost always be removed. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Sorry but your password must contain an uppercase letter, a number, a haiku, a gang sign, a heiroglyph, and the blood of a virgin." -- someeecards ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 2:20 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Please don't take this the wrong way, but I find that avoiding upper- > case makes emails considerably harder to read, especially regarding the > non-existent word 'i'. I don't want to make an issue of it, just > stating a personal opinion. > after 30+yrs of avoiding upper ase, that is a tougher change.. ;) > > poc > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On 2020-07-25 19:14, Robert McBroom via users wrote: > On 7/25/20 3:35 AM, John Pilkington wrote: >> On 25/07/2020 05:14, Robert McBroom via users wrote: >> >>> RPMFUSION?? lags behind the pace of kernels. Check to see if they have the >>> one for the kernel you are wanting to use. NVIDIA also lags but lately >>> there have been patches for their proprietary drivers for new kernel series >>> before RPMFUSION does the upgrade. >> >> Not true. >> >> Usually, with rpmfusion, a new kernel will trigger a build of matching >> driver modules on your machine. >> ___ > Depends. Works with in a series such as 5.6.x but not across to 5.7.x Works fine for me. Updated a kernel today. [egreshko@meimei ~]$ uname -r 5.7.10-201.fc32.x86_64 [egreshko@meimei ~]$ tail /var/cache/akmods/akmods.log 2020/07/21 15:55:01 akmods: Successful. 2020/07/21 15:56:43 akmods: Checking kmods exist for 5.7.9-200.fc32.x86_64 2020/07/23 17:54:33 akmods: Checking kmods exist for 5.7.9-200.fc32.x86_64 2020/07/25 17:47:57 akmods: Checking kmods exist for 5.7.10-201.fc32.x86_64 2020/07/25 17:47:57 akmods: Building and installing nvidia-kmod 2020/07/25 17:47:57 akmods: Building RPM using the command '/sbin/akmodsbuild --kernels 5.7.10-201.fc32.x86_64 /usr/src/akmods/nvidia-kmod.latest' 2020/07/25 17:49:10 akmods: Installing newly built rpms 2020/07/25 17:49:10 akmods: DNF detected 2020/07/25 17:49:22 akmods: Successful. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On 7/25/20 3:35 AM, John Pilkington wrote: On 25/07/2020 05:14, Robert McBroom via users wrote: RPMFUSION?? lags behind the pace of kernels. Check to see if they have the one for the kernel you are wanting to use. NVIDIA also lags but lately there have been patches for their proprietary drivers for new kernel series before RPMFUSION does the upgrade. Not true. Usually, with rpmfusion, a new kernel will trigger a build of matching driver modules on your machine. ___ Depends. Works with in a series such as 5.6.x but not across to 5.7.x ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 18:13 -0700, Jack Craig wrote: > > And yet you didn't ... > > > > sorry, i'll continue to work on it.. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I find that avoiding upper- case makes emails considerably harder to read, especially regarding the non-existent word 'i'. I don't want to make an issue of it, just stating a personal opinion. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On 25/07/2020 05:14, Robert McBroom via users wrote: RPMFUSION lags behind the pace of kernels. Check to see if they have the one for the kernel you are wanting to use. NVIDIA also lags but lately there have been patches for their proprietary drivers for new kernel series before RPMFUSION does the upgrade. Not true. Usually, with rpmfusion, a new kernel will trigger a build of matching driver modules on your machine. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On 7/24/20 2:42 PM, Jack Craig wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:35 AM stan via users mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>> wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:52:58 -0700 Jack Craig mailto:jack.craig.ap...@gmail.com>> wrote: > my new hp elitedesktop loaded w F32 is randomly freezing. > > not finding log errors, what is the community's debug guidance?? No log errors suggests kernel / OS freeze, which to me says that it isn't an application problem, but something that affects integrity of the system. Power fluctuations? Memory issues? afaik know power isnt a problem, but on posting did suggest that. the 32 GB memory is new. Are you running nvidia graphics with nouveau? Because nvidia doesn't sadly i am. what is a solidly supported nvidia alternative? geforce 730 this nvidia is my number 1 candidate so far... publish the api of their graphics cards, the open source driver is reverse engineered, and can have subtle instabilities that lead to occasional freezes like this. I used to see them when I ran nvidia graphics and nouveau. They usually resulted from a null pointer being used by the kernel. RPMFUSION lags behind the pace of kernels. Check to see if they have the one for the kernel you are wanting to use. NVIDIA also lags but lately there have been patches for their proprietary drivers for new kernel series before RPMFUSION does the upgrade. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
> > And yet you didn't ... > sorry, i'll continue to work on it.. > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 1:44 PM Jack Craig wrote: > > > > > afaik know power isnt a problem, but on posting did suggest that. > > the 32 GB memory is new. > >> >> Are you running nvidia graphics with nouveau? Because nvidia doesn't > > > sadly i am. what is a solidly supported nvidia alternative? geforce 730 > > > this nvidia is my number 1 candidate so far... > > > > thx for reply, jackc... >> > So far my gt730 with gddr5 seems to work just fine with the nvidia driver, so that should be solid. I think I am 2-3 kernels back from the most recent. Mine is the version from rpmfusion. I don't believe I ran the open source driver for very long. 32gb is enough that you should not have any issues with swapping. I have not had a lot of luck getting crash dumps to work on my crashing machine, but if it is a real hardware crash often they just reset at the bios level and they don't crash dump. ctrl-alt-f[1/2/3/4/5] will get you from graphics to virt console assuming it is not dead. when it crashes does it stay locked up? if it does switch to a text console after you logout and the kernel crash message may still be on the screen in the morning. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 13:10 -0700, Jack Craig wrote: > Thx Todd, i will comply. > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 1:01 PM Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > Hi, And yet you didn't ... poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On 7/24/20 12:11 PM, Jack Craig wrote: i have an nVidia GK208B. in terms of performance with open source drivers, does anyone have a recommendation as to a equivalent gfxcard?? I don't know the equivalent for that card, but the AMD cards seem to have lower cost for equivalent performance. Check the benchmarking sites for details. However, unless you're playing recent high-end games, it won't matter much what you get. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On 7/24/20 11:45 AM, Jack Craig wrote: how do you setup virtual consoles in this release? Virtual consoles are always enabled. Usually console 1 is the login manager and 2 is the user session. So CTRL-ALT-F3 should get you the first available console, F4 the next and so on. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On 7/24/20 1:24 PM, Lester M Petrie wrote: Note that if your machine boots in UEFI and you use the rpmfusion binaries, you will have to either turn off UEFI, or learn how to sign the binaries yourself. There may be a way to tell the kernel to go ahead and load the unsigned binaries, but I wasn't able to figure that out, and I did find how to sign the binaries. It's not UEFI that you turn off, it's secure boot. And there's no way to tell the kernel to load unsigned modules if secure boot is turned on. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
Jack Craig writes: fresh F32 install crashes in 1-2 day windows, but works great when i am using host; freeze only happens when i log out for the night.. Power management? Try setting up power management to only blank the screen, but not suspend or hibernate. pgp2XA1o_enFW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On 7/24/20 4:12 PM, stan via users wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:42:37 -0700 > Jack Craig wrote: > >>> Are you running nvidia graphics with nouveau? Because nvidia >>> doesn't >> >> sadly i am. what is a solidly supported nvidia alternative? geforce >> 730 > > I think the usual solution to this is to go to rpmfusion.org and > install the proprietary binary blob from nvidia for your generation of > device, and also akmod so the drivers get rebuilt with each new kernel. > I recall that there is a set of instructions on their site for how to do > this. > > https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA Note that if your machine boots in UEFI and you use the rpmfusion binaries, you will have to either turn off UEFI, or learn how to sign the binaries yourself. There may be a way to tell the kernel to go ahead and load the unsigned binaries, but I wasn't able to figure that out, and I did find how to sign the binaries. -- Lester M Petrie ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:42:37 -0700 Jack Craig wrote: > > Are you running nvidia graphics with nouveau? Because nvidia > > doesn't > > sadly i am. what is a solidly supported nvidia alternative? geforce > 730 I think the usual solution to this is to go to rpmfusion.org and install the proprietary binary blob from nvidia for your generation of device, and also akmod so the drivers get rebuilt with each new kernel. I recall that there is a set of instructions on their site for how to do this. https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
Thx Todd, i will comply. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 1:01 PM Todd Zullinger wrote: > Hi, > > Jack Craig wrote: > > -- > Todd > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
Hi, Jack Craig wrote: > PS: does the list still have a preference for top or bottom posting replies? Thanks for asking! Top posting is (still) strongly discouraged. The preference is to reply below the text to which you are replying, while avoiding quoting the entire message and replying at the bottom. The list guidelines, which are included in the footer of each message -- and were quoted twice in the message I'm replying to ;) -- state (in the "Proper posting style" section¹): Top posting is replying to a message on "top" of the quoted text of the previous correspondence. This is highly unwanted in mailing lists because it increases the size of the daily digests to be sent out & is highly confusing and incoherent. By default, most email clients use this (includes gmail & hotmail). Please, remove the irrelevant part of the previous communication(in case of more than a single correspondence) and use bottom, interleaved posting. Do not over-quote by the hierarchy level in the correspondence. Bottom, interleaved posting is replying to the relevant parts of the previous correspondence just below the block(s) of sentences. For a comment to another block of sentences of the same quoted text, you should move below that relevant block again. Do not reply below the whole of the quoted text. Also remove any irrelevant text. Please provide URLs to articles wherever possible. Avoid cutting and pasting whole articles especially considering the fact that all may not be interested. Pasting whole articles may also amount to copyright violations, which is not something that this list encourages. Read the above mentioned pdf file on mailing list guidelines by Shakthi Kannan : http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf. The illustrative document should clear all doubts. ¹ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Proper_posting_style -- Todd signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
i have an nVidia GK208B. in terms of performance with open source drivers, does anyone have a recommendation as to a equivalent gfxcard?? On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:50 AM Jack Craig wrote: > PS: does the list still have a preference for top or bottom posting > replies? > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:49 AM Jack Craig > wrote: > >> fresh F32 install crashes in 1-2 day windows, but works great when i am >> using host; freeze only happens when i log out for the night.. >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:42 AM Kevin Becker >> wrote: >> >>> Was it ever working or is this a newly installed system? If it had been >>> working, I'd try rebooting to an older kernel. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 05:52 -0700, Jack Craig wrote: >>> >>> >>> hi all, >>> >>> my new hp elitedesktop loaded w F32 is randomly freezing. >>> >>> not finding log errors, what is the community's debug guidance?? >>> >>> tia, jackc >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> users mailing list -- >>> >>> users@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> >>> users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> >>> >>> Fedora Code of Conduct: >>> >>> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >>> >>> >>> List Guidelines: >>> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >>> >>> >>> List Archives: >>> >>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> Fedora Code of Conduct: >>> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >>> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >>> List Archives: >>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> >> ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
PS: does the list still have a preference for top or bottom posting replies? On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:49 AM Jack Craig wrote: > fresh F32 install crashes in 1-2 day windows, but works great when i am > using host; freeze only happens when i log out for the night.. > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:42 AM Kevin Becker > wrote: > >> Was it ever working or is this a newly installed system? If it had been >> working, I'd try rebooting to an older kernel. >> >> >> On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 05:52 -0700, Jack Craig wrote: >> >> >> hi all, >> >> my new hp elitedesktop loaded w F32 is randomly freezing. >> >> not finding log errors, what is the community's debug guidance?? >> >> tia, jackc >> >> ___ >> >> users mailing list -- >> >> users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> >> users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> >> >> List Guidelines: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> >> >> List Archives: >> >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> >> ___ >> users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
fresh F32 install crashes in 1-2 day windows, but works great when i am using host; freeze only happens when i log out for the night.. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:42 AM Kevin Becker wrote: > Was it ever working or is this a newly installed system? If it had been > working, I'd try rebooting to an older kernel. > > > On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 05:52 -0700, Jack Craig wrote: > > > hi all, > > my new hp elitedesktop loaded w F32 is randomly freezing. > > not finding log errors, what is the community's debug guidance?? > > tia, jackc > > ___ > > users mailing list -- > > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > > List Guidelines: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > List Archives: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:25 AM Roger Heflin wrote: > If you do web browsing then there is a pretty good chance you are > swapping and that is causing the freezing. > > it dies when i am not using it, but firefox is on the console How much ram do you have? > > 32GB Does it recover from the freezing? > nno, but i'll try th ssh, but pretty sure its dead how do you setup virtual consoles in this release? > If you have a 2nd device, ssh into the first device and run "top" and > leave it running, if the device starts paging top will clearly show > the paging, if the device actually kernel crashes then it will be of > less use. > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:54 AM Jack Craig > wrote: > > > > > > hi all, > > > > my new hp elitedesktop loaded w F32 is randomly freezing. > > > > not finding log errors, what is the community's debug guidance?? > > > > tia, jackc > > ___ > > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:35 AM stan via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:52:58 -0700 > Jack Craig wrote: > > > my new hp elitedesktop loaded w F32 is randomly freezing. > > > > not finding log errors, what is the community's debug guidance?? > > No log errors suggests kernel / OS freeze, which to me says that it > isn't an application problem, but something that affects integrity of > the system. Power fluctuations? Memory issues? > afaik know power isnt a problem, but on posting did suggest that. the 32 GB memory is new. > Are you running nvidia graphics with nouveau? Because nvidia doesn't > sadly i am. what is a solidly supported nvidia alternative? geforce 730 this nvidia is my number 1 candidate so far... publish the api of their graphics cards, the open source driver is > reverse engineered, and can have subtle instabilities that lead to > occasional freezes like this. I used to see them when I ran nvidia > graphics and nouveau. They usually resulted from a null pointer being > used by the kernel. > thx for reply, jackc... > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
Was it ever working or is this a newly installed system? If it had been working, I'd try rebooting to an older kernel. On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 05:52 -0700, Jack Craig wrote: > hi all, > > > > my new hp elitedesktop loaded w F32 is randomly freezing. > > not finding log errors, what is the community's debug guidance?? > > tia, jackc > > ___users mailing list -- > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
If you do web browsing then there is a pretty good chance you are swapping and that is causing the freezing. How much ram do you have? Does it recover from the freezing? If you have a 2nd device, ssh into the first device and run "top" and leave it running, if the device starts paging top will clearly show the paging, if the device actually kernel crashes then it will be of less use. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:54 AM Jack Craig wrote: > > > hi all, > > my new hp elitedesktop loaded w F32 is randomly freezing. > > not finding log errors, what is the community's debug guidance?? > > tia, jackc > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: second call for enlightenment...
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:52:58 -0700 Jack Craig wrote: > my new hp elitedesktop loaded w F32 is randomly freezing. > > not finding log errors, what is the community's debug guidance?? No log errors suggests kernel / OS freeze, which to me says that it isn't an application problem, but something that affects integrity of the system. Power fluctuations? Memory issues? Are you running nvidia graphics with nouveau? Because nvidia doesn't publish the api of their graphics cards, the open source driver is reverse engineered, and can have subtle instabilities that lead to occasional freezes like this. I used to see them when I ran nvidia graphics and nouveau. They usually resulted from a null pointer being used by the kernel. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
