Re: triple head
On 01/17/2018 09:29 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/17/18 10:11, Frederic Muller wrote: >> On 01/17/2018 02:48 AM, William Oliver wrote: >>> I give >>> myself about an hour of poking around, and then say "screw it" and do a >>> clean install. >> Yes that sounds about right probably. It'll take more than 30 minutes as I >> need to >> do a fresh back and a fresh reinstall, but that could probably be a good way >> to fix >> the problem since I seem to be the only one affected by it. >> >> > One more thing, shot in the dark, you may want to try is check the selinux > labels on > the system > > As root issue the command > > fixfiles check /home > > and/or > > fixfiles check / (this will result in warning and other bits of no > consequence so > that'll have to be sorted. > > or you can > > fixfiles onboot and then just reboot to relabel the entire file systems > > And then see if the second user you created is any better. > > A bit of updates: I tried using a USB key I had with Fedora 27 installer and see a mix of similar issues. Thunderbird does exactly the same, Nautilus however does not open fullscreen (nor does Evolution). So a fresh install seems to clear some of the issues but not all. A new user might do the same, haven't had time to do what you recommended above. I'll probably do a fresh install when I have a bit of time ahead of me, as this release was upgraded from F26. Thank you. Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On Wed, 2018-01-17 at 09:11 +0700, Frederic Muller wrote: > On 01/17/2018 02:48 AM, William Oliver wrote: > > I give > > myself about an hour of poking around, and then say "screw it" and > > do a > > clean install. > > Yes that sounds about right probably. It'll take more than 30 minutes > as I need to do a fresh back and a fresh reinstall, but that could > probably be a good way to fix the problem since I seem to be the only > one affected by it. > > Thank you. > > Fred I also wander away from Fedora for awhile on occasion, and then come back. There have been a couple of Fedora versions that just didn't work well on my machine. I'm using KDE Neon right now, because I had some issues with Fedora 26. I don't even remember what the issue was, except it lasted longer than my fuse. I would have moved back to Fedora when 27 came out, but I thought I'd give Qubes 4.0 a try, which is fedora-based (sort of), and will move to it if I can get it installed -- which was no mean feat with Qubes 3.2. I used to be the kind of guy who wanted to track every little thing down, and thought people who used GUI tools for configuration were wimps. I wanted to edit files directly. But automation has sort of been baked in to Fedora now, systemd has made everything opaque, I don't have a clue how to fiddle with wayland (and apparently I'm not supposed to be able to do so),and even when you do edit config files, some service or another will come back in five minutes and edit it back (I'm talking to you, Network Manager). So to hell with it. Now I use the simplest path possible, and if that doesn't work, I blow it up and start over, or download other distros until something works. Usually, one of Fedora, Manjaro, Debian, or Arch will do fine for a few months, until a new version comes out to break things. It seems that Linux is increasingly like Windows in becoming less and less accesible to tinkerers and becoming more and more opaque. I still much prefer Linux, and I like Fedora, don't get me wrong, and I can understand why enterprise folk want things as automated as possible -- I did too, when I was a "real" sysadmin for a sizeable network a decade or so ago. But I kind of miss the old days when you could more easily poke around. I should probably just give up and go to some really stable distro like CentOS, but there the opposite is true. Since I like to tinker, a system that just "works" is boring... Too hot or too cold, nothing "just right." billo___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/17/18 10:11, Frederic Muller wrote: > On 01/17/2018 02:48 AM, William Oliver wrote: >> I give >> myself about an hour of poking around, and then say "screw it" and do a >> clean install. > > Yes that sounds about right probably. It'll take more than 30 minutes as I > need to > do a fresh back and a fresh reinstall, but that could probably be a good way > to fix > the problem since I seem to be the only one affected by it. > > One more thing, shot in the dark, you may want to try is check the selinux labels on the system As root issue the command fixfiles check /home and/or fixfiles check / (this will result in warning and other bits of no consequence so that'll have to be sorted. or you can fixfiles onboot and then just reboot to relabel the entire file systems And then see if the second user you created is any better. -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/17/2018 02:48 AM, William Oliver wrote: > I give > myself about an hour of poking around, and then say "screw it" and do a > clean install. Yes that sounds about right probably. It'll take more than 30 minutes as I need to do a fresh back and a fresh reinstall, but that could probably be a good way to fix the problem since I seem to be the only one affected by it. Thank you. Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/17/2018 02:59 AM, Marmorstein, Robert wrote: >>> Added a new user but unfortunately every time I log with it the >>> machine hangs. It >>> runs first ok, I have time to show the dock which has 4 icons >>> (Firefox, Rythmbox, >>> Nautilus and Software and then a new icon starts to appear on the >>> dock (without any >>> icon and a triangle with a exclamation mark) and then it hangs. >>> Happened 3 times >>> out of 3. >>> >>> > When you created the new accounts, did you remember to create home > directories for them with proper permissions? Do you have quotas for your > disks that need to be adjusted? > > Just spit balling, but I can't tell you how many times I've forgotten to use > -m with useradd and experienced strange, unpredictable behavior... > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org I used the GUI which creates the home directory. Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/2018 08:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/16/18 20:40, Frederic Muller wrote: >> On 01/16/2018 06:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 01/16/18 17:49, Frederic Muller wrote: Yes.. I'm one hour earlier I think. So tried using Xorg and the same happens. :-/ >>> I see How about if you create a new user? >>> >> Added a new user but unfortunately every time I log with it the machine >> hangs. It >> runs first ok, I have time to show the dock which has 4 icons (Firefox, >> Rythmbox, >> Nautilus and Software and then a new icon starts to appear on the dock >> (without any >> icon and a triangle with a exclamation mark) and then it hangs. Happened 3 >> times >> out of 3. >> >> > That is very, very strange. Pointing to something more basic. Are any of > your file > systems full? > Not that I know of. Here are the df results: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on devtmpfs 3.8G 0 3.8G 0% /dev tmpfs 3.8G 18M 3.8G 1% /dev/shm tmpfs 3.8G 2.0M 3.8G 1% /run tmpfs 3.8G 0 3.8G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup /dev/mapper/fedora-root 49G 18G 30G 37% / tmpfs 3.8G 180K 3.8G 1% /tmp /dev/sda1 477M 196M 252M 44% /boot /dev/mapper/fedora-home 413G 352G 40G 90% /home tmpfs 767M 16K 767M 1% /run/user/42 tmpfs 767M 7.1M 760M 1% /run/user/1000 Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/2018 12:34 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On a standard Fedora install it is not necessary to add -m to the useradd directory since "CREATE_HOME yes" is defined in /etc/login.defs. Or, you can do it via GUI if you prefer. In Xfce, it's Users and Groups, on the Administration menu. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/17/18 03:59, Marmorstein, Robert wrote: >>> Added a new user but unfortunately every time I log with it the >>> machine hangs. It >>> runs first ok, I have time to show the dock which has 4 icons >>> (Firefox, Rythmbox, >>> Nautilus and Software and then a new icon starts to appear on the >>> dock (without any >>> icon and a triangle with a exclamation mark) and then it hangs. >>> Happened 3 times >>> out of 3. >>> >>> > When you created the new accounts, did you remember to create home > directories for them with proper permissions? Do you have quotas for your > disks that need to be adjusted? > > Just spit balling, but I can't tell you how many times I've forgotten to use > -m with useradd and experienced strange, unpredictable behavior... On a standard Fedora install it is not necessary to add -m to the useradd directory since "CREATE_HOME yes" is defined in /etc/login.defs. -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: triple head
> > Added a new user but unfortunately every time I log with it the > > machine hangs. It > > runs first ok, I have time to show the dock which has 4 icons > > (Firefox, Rythmbox, > > Nautilus and Software and then a new icon starts to appear on the > > dock (without any > > icon and a triangle with a exclamation mark) and then it hangs. > > Happened 3 times > > out of 3. > > > > When you created the new accounts, did you remember to create home directories for them with proper permissions? Do you have quotas for your disks that need to be adjusted? Just spit balling, but I can't tell you how many times I've forgotten to use -m with useradd and experienced strange, unpredictable behavior... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On Tue, 2018-01-16 at 21:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/16/18 20:40, Frederic Muller wrote: > > > > On 01/16/2018 06:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > > > > On 01/16/18 17:49, Frederic Muller wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes.. I'm one hour earlier I think. So tried using Xorg and the > > > > same happens. :-/ > > > I see How about if you create a new user? > > > > > Added a new user but unfortunately every time I log with it the > > machine hangs. It > > runs first ok, I have time to show the dock which has 4 icons > > (Firefox, Rythmbox, > > Nautilus and Software and then a new icon starts to appear on the > > dock (without any > > icon and a triangle with a exclamation mark) and then it hangs. > > Happened 3 times > > out of 3. > > > > > That is very, very strange. Pointing to something more basic. Are > any of your file > systems full? > > > You know, if it was me, I'd get into the account that works and install some lightweight windowing system, and then see if it works in that. If I can get three displays up and running in XFce of LXDE, then I know that it's a Gnome issue. Since disk space is cheap nowadays, I usually install one of these in addition to KDE (I'm a KDE person) when I first set up my machine. I've had similar issues in KDE, and it's usually been because of some issue with upgrading or incomplete installation that I missed. I give myself about an hour of poking around, and then say "screw it" and do a clean install. After all, it takes about 30 minutes to do a clean install, most of which isn't interactive. And it fixes all sorts of hidden config/conflict issues. YMMV of course, if you have to deal with licensing on proprietary software and such that can make reinstall a bigger hassle. But for me, it's at the top of the "OK, this isn't a trivial problem" fix algorithm. To be honest, I've deleted the first part of the thread, so I don't rememberif this is a new problem on a new installation -- in which case doing a clean install may have less of a chance of magically fixing things, obviously. billo ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/18 20:40, Frederic Muller wrote: > On 01/16/2018 06:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 01/16/18 17:49, Frederic Muller wrote: >>> Yes.. I'm one hour earlier I think. So tried using Xorg and the same >>> happens. :-/ >> I see How about if you create a new user? >> > Added a new user but unfortunately every time I log with it the machine > hangs. It > runs first ok, I have time to show the dock which has 4 icons (Firefox, > Rythmbox, > Nautilus and Software and then a new icon starts to appear on the dock > (without any > icon and a triangle with a exclamation mark) and then it hangs. Happened 3 > times > out of 3. > > That is very, very strange. Pointing to something more basic. Are any of your file systems full? -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/2018 06:04 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/16/18 17:49, Frederic Muller wrote: >> Yes.. I'm one hour earlier I think. So tried using Xorg and the same >> happens. :-/ > I see How about if you create a new user? > Added a new user but unfortunately every time I log with it the machine hangs. It runs first ok, I have time to show the dock which has 4 icons (Firefox, Rythmbox, Nautilus and Software and then a new icon starts to appear on the dock (without any icon and a triangle with a exclamation mark) and then it hangs. Happened 3 times out of 3. :-( Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/18 17:49, Frederic Muller wrote: > Yes.. I'm one hour earlier I think. So tried using Xorg and the same happens. > :-/ I see How about if you create a new user? -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/2018 02:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/16/18 15:09, Frederic Muller wrote: >> On 01/16/2018 01:53 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 01/16/18 14:43, Frederic Muller wrote: yes I am running Wayland and constantly resize each application which starts in fullscreen because it takes all the screen space while I'm happy to have 3/4 apps visible on my screen. Screen sizes are: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 5040 x 1920, maximum 8192 x 8192 XWAYLAND0 connected 2560x1440+1280+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 310mm x 170mm 2560x1440 59.96*+ XWAYLAND1 connected 1200x1920+3840+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 500mm x 310mm 1200x1920 59.95*+ XWAYLAND2 connected 1280x1024+0+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 340mm x 270mm 1280x1024 59.89*+ Thank you. >>> Would you consider trying Xorg just to see if that changes anything? >>> >>> >> Sure. I'm off to (late) lunch now but I'll give it a try in the evening and >> report >> back. >> >> > OK. It is already 15:20 in my neck of the woods. > > FWIW, I'm not much of a GNOME user. > Yes.. I'm one hour earlier I think. So tried using Xorg and the same happens. :-/ Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/18 15:09, Frederic Muller wrote: > On 01/16/2018 01:53 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 01/16/18 14:43, Frederic Muller wrote: >>> yes I am running Wayland and constantly resize each application which >>> starts in >>> fullscreen because it takes all the screen space while I'm happy to have >>> 3/4 apps >>> visible on my screen. >>> >>> Screen sizes are: >>> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 5040 x 1920, maximum 8192 x 8192 >>> XWAYLAND0 connected 2560x1440+1280+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y >>> axis) >>> 310mm x 170mm >>> 2560x1440 59.96*+ >>> XWAYLAND1 connected 1200x1920+3840+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y >>> axis) >>> 500mm x 310mm >>> 1200x1920 59.95*+ >>> XWAYLAND2 connected 1280x1024+0+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y >>> axis) >>> 340mm x 270mm >>> 1280x1024 59.89*+ >>> >>> Thank you. >> Would you consider trying Xorg just to see if that changes anything? >> >> > Sure. I'm off to (late) lunch now but I'll give it a try in the evening and > report > back. > > OK. It is already 15:20 in my neck of the woods. FWIW, I'm not much of a GNOME user. -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/2018 01:53 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/16/18 14:43, Frederic Muller wrote: >> yes I am running Wayland and constantly resize each application which starts >> in >> fullscreen because it takes all the screen space while I'm happy to have 3/4 >> apps >> visible on my screen. >> >> Screen sizes are: >> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 5040 x 1920, maximum 8192 x 8192 >> XWAYLAND0 connected 2560x1440+1280+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y >> axis) >> 310mm x 170mm >> 2560x1440 59.96*+ >> XWAYLAND1 connected 1200x1920+3840+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y >> axis) >> 500mm x 310mm >> 1200x1920 59.95*+ >> XWAYLAND2 connected 1280x1024+0+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y >> axis) >> 340mm x 270mm >> 1280x1024 59.89*+ >> >> Thank you. > Would you consider trying Xorg just to see if that changes anything? > > Sure. I'm off to (late) lunch now but I'll give it a try in the evening and report back. Thank you. Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/18 14:43, Frederic Muller wrote: > yes I am running Wayland and constantly resize each application which starts > in > fullscreen because it takes all the screen space while I'm happy to have 3/4 > apps > visible on my screen. > > Screen sizes are: > Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 5040 x 1920, maximum 8192 x 8192 > XWAYLAND0 connected 2560x1440+1280+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y > axis) > 310mm x 170mm > 2560x1440 59.96*+ > XWAYLAND1 connected 1200x1920+3840+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y > axis) > 500mm x 310mm > 1200x1920 59.95*+ > XWAYLAND2 connected 1280x1024+0+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > 340mm x 270mm > 1280x1024 59.89*+ > > Thank you. Would you consider trying Xorg just to see if that changes anything? -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/2018 01:34 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/16/18 13:49, Frederic Muller wrote: >> On 01/16/2018 12:38 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 01/16/18 13:24, Frederic Muller wrote: I recently added a 3rd screen to my setup (a laptop and 2 external screen, one on each side) and since every single application or window from that application opens in full screen. It was not behaving like this when I had only dual head. Is this normal or is there some configuration to do which I missed? Or could it be a bug eventually? >>> You need to describe your situation a bit more to add your video card, >>> driver in use, >>> and desktop. The answer may be different depending on your environment. >>> >>> Also, when you say "full screen" to you mean it opens fully in one of the 3 >>> screens >>> or does the application open in a window that spans all screens? >>> >> oops, sorry I didn't think about that. So the video card is a Intel® HD >> Graphics >> 5500 (Broadwell GT2) on a Thinkpad X1 carbon using GNOME. Not sure which >> drivers >> are running or how to find out. >> Then full screen is full screen on one screen only and actually on the >> screen with >> the top "menu" bar because that is very the apps open when launching from >> the side >> dock or elsewhere actually. Screen resoltion is 2560x1440 so there is enough >> space >> to open nautilus or thunderbird not fullscreen. >> >> Anything else which could help? >> > I see. Well I just started Gnome in a Virtual Box VM after giving it 3 > screens. I > do not see what you're seeing. Since this is a VM I can only run Gnome Xorg > and not > Wayland. Do you know which you are running? > > Also, the applications are starting at the size when they were last closed. > So, if I > right-click on the menu bar of the app and pick Maximize it will start > Maximized the > next time it is started. If I Unmaximize it, it will then start at whatever > size the > window was when it was unmaximized. (Hope that isn't confusing) > > FWIW, the sizes of my 3 screens are > > Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 4936 x 1279, maximum 16384 x 16384 > VGA-1 connected primary 2488x1279+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y > axis) 0mm > x 0mm > 2488x1279 59.99*+ > > VGA-2 connected 1304x799+2488+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > 0mm x 0mm > 1304x799 59.96*+ > > VGA-3 connected 1144x796+3792+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > 0mm x 0mm > 1144x796 59.95*+ > > yes I am running Wayland and constantly resize each application which starts in fullscreen because it takes all the screen space while I'm happy to have 3/4 apps visible on my screen. Screen sizes are: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 5040 x 1920, maximum 8192 x 8192 XWAYLAND0 connected 2560x1440+1280+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 310mm x 170mm 2560x1440 59.96*+ XWAYLAND1 connected 1200x1920+3840+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 500mm x 310mm 1200x1920 59.95*+ XWAYLAND2 connected 1280x1024+0+237 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 340mm x 270mm 1280x1024 59.89*+ Thank you. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/18 13:49, Frederic Muller wrote: > On 01/16/2018 12:38 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 01/16/18 13:24, Frederic Muller wrote: >>> I recently added a 3rd screen to my setup (a laptop and 2 external screen, >>> one on >>> each side) and since every single application or window from that >>> application opens >>> in full screen. It was not behaving like this when I had only dual head. Is >>> this >>> normal or is there some configuration to do which I missed? >>> >>> Or could it be a bug eventually? >> You need to describe your situation a bit more to add your video card, >> driver in use, >> and desktop. The answer may be different depending on your environment. >> >> Also, when you say "full screen" to you mean it opens fully in one of the 3 >> screens >> or does the application open in a window that spans all screens? >> > oops, sorry I didn't think about that. So the video card is a Intel® HD > Graphics > 5500 (Broadwell GT2) on a Thinkpad X1 carbon using GNOME. Not sure which > drivers > are running or how to find out. > Then full screen is full screen on one screen only and actually on the screen > with > the top "menu" bar because that is very the apps open when launching from the > side > dock or elsewhere actually. Screen resoltion is 2560x1440 so there is enough > space > to open nautilus or thunderbird not fullscreen. > > Anything else which could help? > I see. Well I just started Gnome in a Virtual Box VM after giving it 3 screens. I do not see what you're seeing. Since this is a VM I can only run Gnome Xorg and not Wayland. Do you know which you are running? Also, the applications are starting at the size when they were last closed. So, if I right-click on the menu bar of the app and pick Maximize it will start Maximized the next time it is started. If I Unmaximize it, it will then start at whatever size the window was when it was unmaximized. (Hope that isn't confusing) FWIW, the sizes of my 3 screens are Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 4936 x 1279, maximum 16384 x 16384 VGA-1 connected primary 2488x1279+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm 2488x1279 59.99*+ VGA-2 connected 1304x799+2488+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm 1304x799 59.96*+ VGA-3 connected 1144x796+3792+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm 1144x796 59.95*+ -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/2018 12:38 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/16/18 13:24, Frederic Muller wrote: >> I recently added a 3rd screen to my setup (a laptop and 2 external screen, >> one on >> each side) and since every single application or window from that >> application opens >> in full screen. It was not behaving like this when I had only dual head. Is >> this >> normal or is there some configuration to do which I missed? >> >> Or could it be a bug eventually? > You need to describe your situation a bit more to add your video card, driver > in use, > and desktop. The answer may be different depending on your environment. > > Also, when you say "full screen" to you mean it opens fully in one of the 3 > screens > or does the application open in a window that spans all screens? > oops, sorry I didn't think about that. So the video card is a Intel® HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2) on a Thinkpad X1 carbon using GNOME. Not sure which drivers are running or how to find out. Then full screen is full screen on one screen only and actually on the screen with the top "menu" bar because that is very the apps open when launching from the side dock or elsewhere actually. Screen resoltion is 2560x1440 so there is enough space to open nautilus or thunderbird not fullscreen. Anything else which could help? Thank you. Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: triple head
On 01/16/18 13:24, Frederic Muller wrote: > I recently added a 3rd screen to my setup (a laptop and 2 external screen, > one on > each side) and since every single application or window from that application > opens > in full screen. It was not behaving like this when I had only dual head. Is > this > normal or is there some configuration to do which I missed? > > Or could it be a bug eventually? You need to describe your situation a bit more to add your video card, driver in use, and desktop. The answer may be different depending on your environment. Also, when you say "full screen" to you mean it opens fully in one of the 3 screens or does the application open in a window that spans all screens? -- Fedora Users List - The place to go to speculate endlessly signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Triple-head with a 2nd (different) gfx card, possible?
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 02:49, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com wrote: The docs for that card do mention it can drive vga with the appropriate displayport to vga adaptor cables, but that sounds like a rather rude and expensive conversion hack at ~$20-$30/cable. Well,my friend (btw: I noticed your profile on your google account that reads software janitor -I'm still laughing-... I think I must be software mine-field cleaner then ;)... ... if you knew that down here in .AR stores are still selling VGA-only monitors like hotcakes, and that only now store clerks have begun to understand what DVI is when you ask for one... and that there are almost no monitors with displayport on the mainstream retail channel... (only in a few places, 23 or higher, and at a premium price because those are thought to be for ' professional ' use whatever that means), and that displayport-to-vga adapters are available but retail for $35-40 greenbacks ...then I think you' d feel better about your situation. grin Again, thanks for your reply and your help/insight. FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Triple-head with a 2nd (different) gfx card, possible?
Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com writes: My current setup includes a PCI-X ATI X1600 board, which its dual DVI+VGA outputs. That card has two 19' monitors connected, a DVI one and a VGA-only one, both LGs. Now, suppose I don't want to buy another gfx board, but rather connect an external USB-to-VGA adapters like these: http://goo.gl/TqchG Would Fedora recognize the 3rd display (no matter it being much slower due to the USB 2.0 interface) and put the 3rd screen alongside the other two so I can move app windows from one monitor to the next? Or would it be a separate X display because it's handled by a different driver? It might well recognize the usb framebuffer (I have no idea if it will even do that.) The stumbling block will be to get the current Xorg to span two framebuffers. Back in the early days of X11 it did have an extension called Xinerama ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama ). That extension appears to have suffered bit-rot and no longer works for me. I tried to get two different Radeon frame buffers to work together but ended up buying a new card that had at least three outputs. Sadly those are hard to come by and they charge an arm and a leg. -wolfgang -- g+: https://plus.google.com/114566345864337108516/about -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Triple-head with a 2nd (different) gfx card, possible?
On 04/17/2012 08:23 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Fernando Cassiafcas...@gmail.com writes: My current setup includes a PCI-X ATI X1600 board, which its dual DVI+VGA outputs. That card has two 19' monitors connected, a DVI one and a VGA-only one, both LGs. Now, suppose I don't want to buy another gfx board, but rather connect an external USB-to-VGA adapters like these: http://goo.gl/TqchG Would Fedora recognize the 3rd display (no matter it being much slower due to the USB 2.0 interface) and put the 3rd screen alongside the other two so I can move app windows from one monitor to the next? Or would it be a separate X display because it's handled by a different driver? It might well recognize the usb framebuffer (I have no idea if it will even do that.) The stumbling block will be to get the current Xorg to span two framebuffers. Back in the early days of X11 it did have an extension called Xinerama ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama ). That extension appears to have suffered bit-rot and no longer works for me. I tried to get two different Radeon frame buffers to work together but ended up buying a new card that had at least three outputs. Sadly those are hard to come by and they charge an arm and a leg. I've been researching triple-head for quite a while, and the lest evil option I've come up with is the AMD FirePro 4900. It natively supports triple head from one card, has Linux drivers and config tools available from AMD, and is not horrifically expensive. Have a look at http://www.amd.com/us/products/workstation/graphics/ati-firepro-3d/Pages/product-comparison.aspx for some comparisons of various video cards including how many monitors they support. Hope this helps. Thomas -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Triple-head with a 2nd (different) gfx card, possible?
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 23:54, Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: I've been researching triple-head for quite a while, and the lest evil option I've come up with is the AMD FirePro 4900. It natively supports triple head from one card, has Linux drivers and config tools available from AMD, and is not horrifically expensive. Have a look at http://www.amd.com/us/**products/workstation/graphics/** ati-firepro-3d/Pages/product-**comparison.aspxhttp://www.amd.com/us/products/workstation/graphics/ati-firepro-3d/Pages/product-comparison.aspxfor some comparisons of various video cards including how many monitors they support. Hope this helps. Thomas Thanks, Thomas and Wolfgang! Yes, helps inmensely. FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Triple-head with a 2nd (different) gfx card, possible?
Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com writes: I've been researching triple-head for quite a while, and the lest evil option I've come up with is the AMD FirePro 4900. It natively supports triple head from one card, has Linux drivers and config tools available from AMD, and is not horrifically expensive. Have a look at http://www.amd.com/us/products/workstation/graphics/ati-firepro-3d/Pages/product-comparison.aspx for some comparisons of various video cards including how many monitors they support. I ended up buying an ATI FirePro 2460 (not shown on that chart). It is very much a mixed blessing. It is fanless and has 4 DisplayPort outputs and comes with a 4 adaptors to drive 4 single-link DVI (max. 1200x1600, from memory) monitors. The downside is the price is ridiculous. The card costs $235 while the same ATI 5430 CEDAR chip on a card with a dvi/vga/hdmi output is ~$50. Xorg also doesn't yet deal with displayport very well. Using the front panel soft-switches on the monitors to keep them off when not using the computer causes the displayes to wedge in an off state. The docs for that card do mention it can drive vga with the appropriate displayport to vga adaptor cables, but that sounds like a rather rude and expensive conversion hack at ~$20-$30/cable. -wolfgang -- g+: https://plus.google.com/114566345864337108516/about -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Triple head?
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone gotten three heads set up with Fedora? I figure it will require the proprietary driver, and while that is not optimal, I'm willing to do it. I really want to have three monitors set up. If so, how'd you do it? I used to use 2 NVidia cards, each with dual DVI output. I used identical cards but I'm not sure if that matters. As others have mentioned, this can cause problems. For one, compiz and friends don't work. I also found that Java GUI applications load slower, and for work I use a specific Java desktop application a lot. I know use a single NVidia card. One output goes to what I'd call my primary monitor. The other goes into a Matrox TripleHead2Go Digital unit. This makes my 2 other 24 monitors appear as one large 3840x1200. This gives me my 3 24 monitors with full performance. One hack I had to do was to put in a custom libxinerama library that lies about screen configuration. This makes applications think I have 3 identical monitors instead of just 2 so that maximize works properly - so for all intensive purposes, while the driver only sees 2 monitors, the OS sees it as 3. Jason -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Triple head?
--- Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone gotten three heads set up with Fedora? I figure it will require the proprietary driver, and while that is not optimal, I'm willing to do it. I really want to have three monitors set up. If so, how'd you do it? One architectural office I'm working with that is *very* Linux curious wanted to try Fedora on a four-headed system. The system has: - 1 VGA on-board graphics card (not sure the chipset, assuming its a standard Intel on-board device) connected to a ~20 Dell LCD monitor - 2 nVidia 1Gb Galaxy PCI-E 16 cards (pretty cheap) connected through their DVI outputs to two large, matching LG Flatrons - 1 *something else* pretty old, weak card also connected through a DVI out to a generic, small flatscreen leftover from someplace I installed Fedora 14 with just the VGA on-board video running first, then plugged the others in after install... and everything just worked on reboot. The only adjustment needed was to place the screens in relation to one another so that the layout made sense. They have heavy 2D requirements (CAD for blueprint designs), but not any real 3D needs, so the open source drivers worked just fine for them. Their fabrication techs *do* need 3D, though, so it would be necessary to get good, real 3D drivers for those systems. This is easy. oooh, dual head is not very h anymore. It's just about plugging things in as long as the hardware is fairly vanilla. One note: You will not get much easy mileage out of USB-to-VGA output switches. Those still suck to configure, even for a single screen. -- Get the new Internet Explorer 8 optimized for Yahoo! JAPAN http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/ie8/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Triple head?
2011/1/17 夜神 岩男 supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp: --- Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone gotten three heads set up with Fedora? I figure it will require the proprietary driver, and while that is not optimal, I'm willing to do it. I really want to have three monitors set up. If so, how'd you do it? I installed Fedora 14 with just the VGA on-board video running first, then plugged the others in after install... and everything just worked on reboot. The only adjustment needed was to place the screens in relation to one another so that the layout made sense. I have a pair of NVidia cards (one PCIe, one PCI) which I do this with. The key components were: * Proprietary NVidia driver with TwinView enabled * Specifying the PCI ID manually in my xorg.conf What I lack is the ability to merge together the Dual-screen config on one card with the single screen on the other - so in actual fact I have 2 Xorg Displays and am unable to move windows from one to the other. That's not a big deal - you just end up adapting your workflow and keeping discrete apps on that one screen. If I enable Xinerama, Gnome crashes pretty hard on login. I have included my Xorg.conf below to give you some starting point. If you get Xinerama working, I'll be very interested. -- Sam # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings # nvidia-settings: version 260.19.29 (mockbu...@hephaestus.wilsonet.com) Thu Dec 16 04:52:07 EST 2010 # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig: version 260.19.29 (mockbuild@) Thu Dec 16 05:03:59 EST 2010 Section ServerLayout Identifier Layout0 Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 Screen 1 Screen1 RightOf Screen0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer Option Xinerama 0 EndSection Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1 EndSection Section InputDevice # generated from default Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol auto Option Device /dev/input/mice Option Emulate3Buttons no Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section InputDevice # generated from data in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbLayout gb Option XkbModel pc105 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Unknown ModelName LG L1953S HorizSync 30.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 Option DPMS EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor1 VendorName Unknown ModelName LG L1919S HorizSync 30.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 EndSection Section Device Identifier Device0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation BoardName Quadro NVS 55/280 PCI BusID PCI:3:2:0 EndSection Section Device Identifier Device1 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation BoardName Quadro NVS 285 BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Device0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth24 Option TwinView 1 Option TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder CRT-0 Option metamodes CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select +1280+0, CRT-1: nvidia-auto-select +0+0 SubSection Display Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen1 Device Device1 MonitorMonitor1 DefaultDepth24 Option TwinView 0 Option metamodes nvidia-auto-select +0+0 SubSection Display Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Triple head?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/17/2011 03:49 PM, ? wrote: --- Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone gotten three heads set up with Fedora? I figure it will require the proprietary driver, and while that is not optimal, I'm willing to do it. I really want to have three monitors set up. If so, how'd you do it? One architectural office I'm working with that is *very* Linux curious wanted to try Fedora on a four-headed system. The system has: - 1 VGA on-board graphics card (not sure the chipset, assuming its a standard Intel on-board device) connected to a ~20 Dell LCD monitor - 2 nVidia 1Gb Galaxy PCI-E 16 cards (pretty cheap) connected through their DVI outputs to two large, matching LG Flatrons - 1 *something else* pretty old, weak card also connected through a DVI out to a generic, small flatscreen leftover from someplace I installed Fedora 14 with just the VGA on-board video running first, then plugged the others in after install... and everything just worked on reboot. The only adjustment needed was to place the screens in relation to one another so that the layout made sense. They have heavy 2D requirements (CAD for blueprint designs), but not any real 3D needs, so the open source drivers worked just fine for them. Their fabrication techs *do* need 3D, though, so it would be necessary to get good, real 3D drivers for those systems. This is easy. oooh, dual head is not very h anymore. It's just about plugging things in as long as the hardware is fairly vanilla. One note: You will not get much easy mileage out of USB-to-VGA output switches. Those still suck to configure, even for a single screen. -- Get the new Internet Explorer 8 optimized for Yahoo! JAPAN http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/ie8/ Many thanks, I'll give it a try then! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk00wWYACgkQmzle50YHwaCcJwCffOkE8T/D5XNNbi1k+cOmeHQ2 cT4An2CE5Lt2W9j5oSotUZl1NY6XMcPB =zl+m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Triple head?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/17/2011 04:19 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: 2011/1/17 ? supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp: --- Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone gotten three heads set up with Fedora? I figure it will require the proprietary driver, and while that is not optimal, I'm willing to do it. I really want to have three monitors set up. If so, how'd you do it? I installed Fedora 14 with just the VGA on-board video running first, then plugged the others in after install... and everything just worked on reboot. The only adjustment needed was to place the screens in relation to one another so that the layout made sense. I have a pair of NVidia cards (one PCIe, one PCI) which I do this with. The key components were: * Proprietary NVidia driver with TwinView enabled * Specifying the PCI ID manually in my xorg.conf What I lack is the ability to merge together the Dual-screen config on one card with the single screen on the other - so in actual fact I have 2 Xorg Displays and am unable to move windows from one to the other. That's not a big deal - you just end up adapting your workflow and keeping discrete apps on that one screen. If I enable Xinerama, Gnome crashes pretty hard on login. I have included my Xorg.conf below to give you some starting point. If you get Xinerama working, I'll be very interested. -- Sam # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings # nvidia-settings: version 260.19.29 (mockbu...@hephaestus.wilsonet.com) Thu Dec 16 04:52:07 EST 2010 # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig: version 260.19.29 (mockbuild@) Thu Dec 16 05:03:59 EST 2010 Section ServerLayout Identifier Layout0 Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 Screen 1 Screen1 RightOf Screen0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer Option Xinerama 0 EndSection Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1 EndSection Section InputDevice # generated from default Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol auto Option Device /dev/input/mice Option Emulate3Buttons no Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section InputDevice # generated from data in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbLayout gb Option XkbModel pc105 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Unknown ModelName LG L1953S HorizSync 30.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 Option DPMS EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor1 VendorName Unknown ModelName LG L1919S HorizSync 30.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 EndSection Section Device Identifier Device0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation BoardName Quadro NVS 55/280 PCI BusID PCI:3:2:0 EndSection Section Device Identifier Device1 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation BoardName Quadro NVS 285 BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Device0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth24 Option TwinView 1 Option TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder CRT-0 Option metamodes CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select +1280+0, CRT-1: nvidia-auto-select +0+0 SubSection Display Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen1 Device Device1 MonitorMonitor1 DefaultDepth24 Option TwinView 0 Option metamodes nvidia-auto-select +0+0 SubSection Display Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Thanks, Sam! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk00wYsACgkQmzle50YHwaBjwgCgnG/Q7EY3K7pc7X3uqtwcrO05 qgAAn0VsIOCms2EiYUZB9XXZYO+lAIp4 =Jmgr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Triple head?
I have a quad-monitor setup. I originally had two nVidia 9800GT cards (dual DVI each) but in order to get more than one GPU to act like one desktop, you had to use Xinerama, which slowed down Cairo a *lot* (although 3D was still pretty fast). I ended up replacing those two cards with one Matrox M9148 (quad displayport) card. It works, but you need a proprietary driver, and the most recent version of Fedora they've tested it with is Fedora *11*. It does not compile with Fedora 14. Also, it hangs fairly regularly (F12/F13) when watching V4L (like tvtime). 2D (cairo) is very fast over all four monitors, and 3D is not too shabby either (30-60 FPS in quake3). The RandR settings in my setup are off by a pixel, but I have three different monitor configurations (one bigger than the others, and two of those others rotated - the rotated ones are the ones that are off). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
