Re: [Users] [RFI] GUI Changes for oVirt 4.0
On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 10:39 -0400, Ted Miller wrote: On 3/18/2014 6:29 AM, Itamar Heim wrote: we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for 4.0. for current brainstorming phase, anything goes - i.e., I'd like us to ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the perfect solution. SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc. I have an idea, though it may be relevant only to smaller setups. I would like one place that I can go and see the health of my system. Right now I am running a cluster in test mode, and I have to look at several places before I have confidence that all is well: Data Center Storage (I am using gluster) Hosts VMs The natural place for me to look would seem to be the left bar. If the icons there had a color change to reflect status, I could just hit Expand All and the color would immediately tell me the system status. Same icons would work, with just a background or little square of color. I realize that my little 3-host system is the exception, because (so far) I can hit Expand all and I can still see the whole thing. I will not have to deploy many more VMs before it will not all fit. There may be a better way to do this, e.g. another choice between Expand all and Collapse All that would expand all except the lowest level. It would then show me categories like Storage, Networks, Hosts, Volumes and VMs with a health color indication for each cluster. If I see anything I am not expecting, I can expand that heading and see the status of the individual items. There may be a better way to do this, but I know that it is somewhat frustrating to check first thing in the morning and have to do some many clicks before I have confidence that nothing bad happened overnight. I have actually found it faster to click on the Events tab and see if there are any nasty messages there, rather than checking current status. I look forward to the insights of others as to how they monitor cluster status. +1 Really clever, I like:) Perhaps just change the default of of the left bar to have some of the top-level branches already expanded, like: ˇ System ˇ Data Centers ˇ MyDC Storage Network Clusters With some indication of how they´re doing, to get a good health overview. Maybe just use one of the standard exclamation marks, like what´s attached in the mail? /K Ted Miller Elkhart, IN, USA ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users attachment: Screenshot.png___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] [RFI] GUI Changes for oVirt 4.0
On 03/18/2014 03:12 PM, Ernest Beinrohr wrote: Dňa 18.03.2014 11:29, Itamar Heim wrote / napísal(a): Hi, we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for 4.0. for current brainstorming phase, anything goes - i.e., I'd like us to ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the perfect solution. Anything goes is great - so here's what came in mind :) I would love to be able to use drag and drop in the gui. E.g. Drag and drop an vm selected in Virtual Machines tab to an host in the left system navigation menu. Or drag and drop it on Templates tab and the New Template window appears. It would be cool if help would be available. When I installed oVirt 3.4 I discovered a subtab Affinity Groups for my vms and I had no clue what I could do with this feature. So I visited oVirt wiki and searched for Affinity Groups and now I know what this is all about. But if a small ? button would be available in the right upper corner of this tab explaining this feature in 1-2 sentences and giving a link to a detailed documentation page would help for non-experienced users/admins (online in oVirt wiki or offline shipped with oVirt). Furthermore I would love to be able to use ui plugins for User portal as well... What about a tab Logs where I could access engine.log file? At the moment I have to switch to console to be able to get more detailed information about an error and use search bar to find the corresponding line. SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc. I'd love to see this in the UI: - auto-refreshed screenshots from the VMs consoles. - some improved tagging/grouping What about adding the possibility to create a tab out of a bookmark? I'm thinking of the following: Add a bookmark which displays all VMs belonging to Datacenter A and a bookmark which displays all VMs belonging to Datacenter B. So for me it would be cool if I would have a new main tab VMs in DC A and VMs in DC B - so I don't have to switch from System menu to Bookmarks menu, but can customize main tabs to best fit into my environment. - customizable columns with sorting/filtering (tags ?) This would be cool. I would love to be able to sort or enable/disable certain columns. E.g. FQDN column is pretty useless for me as the vm name already contains the FQDN in my setup. It would be cool if it would be possible for each user to create his view and have this saved. - cpu/disk/net utilization column like virt-manger has them It would be great if I could add columns using ui plugins. So e.g. I remove FQDN, Display, Status columns, but add my custom one with the monitoring status or I can add my custom graphs based on my monitoring system (or whatever) in addition or instead of the defined CPU/Memory/Network columns... - embedded serial console - disk operations and migration status with progress bar and ETA. Vote for this as well. - console access from client-engine-host. Most of the time we do not have direct access to the hosts. - ability to define exclude entities ( aka these 2 vms may never run on the same storage and host ) -- Ernest Beinrohr, AXON PRO Ing http://www.beinrohr.sk/ing.php, RHCE http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php, RHCVA http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php, LPIC http://www.beinrohr.sk/lpic.php, VCA http://www.beinrohr.sk/vca.php, +421-2--6241-0360 callto://+421-2--6241-0360, +421-903--482-603 callto://+421-903--482-603 icq:28153343, gtalk: oer...@axonpro.sk, jabber:oer...@jabber.org “For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled.” Richard Feynman ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] [RFI] GUI Changes for oVirt 4.0
Hi, well basically the left pane, where I have to click through system-DC-etc is plain useless to me. I always go via the top tabs and then select the sub entity I want to have. So there are to many ways you can configure the same setting. Example: Adding a logical network You can click: System-Your_DC-Networks-...wait..for..loading..-New or System then click the Networks tab (you have no long loading animation! :) ) - New (now you have of course to select the correct DC). the latter is faster. So I would omit this whole tree style stuff and just kick it out. It's not fast, and you often have to click through the tree so I use just System selected in the tree and then select the tabs I want. Additional confusion: When you did not select system and then want to use the main tabs, you get just displayed what is appropriate for the sub-tree of system.. It's just plain useless duplication of functionality imho. Am 18.03.2014 11:29, schrieb Itamar Heim: Hi, we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for 4.0. for current brainstorming phase, anything goes - i.e., I'd like us to ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the perfect solution. SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc. Thanks, Itamar ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Regards Sven Kieske Systemadministrator Mittwald CM Service GmbH Co. KG Königsberger Straße 6 32339 Espelkamp T: +49-5772-293-100 F: +49-5772-293-333 https://www.mittwald.de Geschäftsführer: Robert Meyer St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG Bad Oeynhausen Komplementärin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260, AG Bad Oeynhausen ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] [RFI] GUI Changes for oVirt 4.0
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:47:16 + Sven Kieske s.kie...@mittwald.de wrote: So there are to many ways you can configure the same setting. 100% agree, duplicity between the tree and main tabs is crazy. If I could wish anything, I would keep the tree but I would make it more nice and clever - one tree for physical schema, another one for virtual schema (minic tagging, creating groups for related things). Plus I would like to have right pane to show me quickly general overview about things selected in left tree (example: If I would be in a virtual folder called 'webapp' consisting of couple of related VMs, I would love to see in right pane the list of VMs, graphs about CPU usage, network usage, storage usage...; more details about the objects could be implemented in some tab inside right pane - example: default right pane would display info as written above, but details about CPU, storage would be in separate tabs...). However, bad decision would be like nightmare for ages, one likes main tabs, another one likes the tree :) j. ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] [RFI] GUI Changes for oVirt 4.0
On 18/03/14 07:47, Sven Kieske wrote: Hi, well basically the left pane, where I have to click through system-DC-etc is plain useless to me. I always go via the top tabs and then select the sub entity I want to have. So there are to many ways you can configure the same setting. Example: Adding a logical network You can click: System-Your_DC-Networks-...wait..for..loading..-New or System then click the Networks tab (you have no long loading animation! :) ) - New (now you have of course to select the correct DC). the latter is faster. So I would omit this whole tree style stuff and just kick it out. It's not fast, and you often have to click through the tree so I use just System selected in the tree and then select the tabs I want. Additional confusion: When you did not select system and then want to use the main tabs, you get just displayed what is appropriate for the sub-tree of system.. It's just plain useless duplication of functionality imho. Am 18.03.2014 11:29, schrieb Itamar Heim: I agree, the plenty of tabs at any level is confusing. Also would be nice to add views to left panel: VM's view, Storage View, network view. I think that the left panel should be more clear or to have a option to filter the stuff that it displays ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] [RFI] GUI Changes for oVirt 4.0
Dn(a 18.03.2014 11:29, Itamar Heim wrote / napísal(a): Hi, we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for 4.0. for current brainstorming phase, anything goes - i.e., I'd like us to ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the perfect solution. SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc. I'd love to see this in the UI: - auto-refreshed screenshots from the VMs consoles. - some improved tagging/grouping - customizable columns with sorting/filtering (tags ?) - cpu/disk/net utilization column like virt-manger has them - embedded serial console - disk operations and migration status with progress bar and ETA. - console access from client-engine-host. Most of the time we do not have direct access to the hosts. - ability to define exclude entities ( aka these 2 vms may never run on the same storage and host ) -- Ernest Beinrohr, AXON PRO Ing http://www.beinrohr.sk/ing.php, RHCE http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php, RHCVA http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php, LPIC http://www.beinrohr.sk/lpic.php, VCA http://www.beinrohr.sk/vca.php, +421-2--6241-0360 callto://+421-2--6241-0360, +421-903--482-603 callto://+421-903--482-603 icq:28153343, gtalk: oer...@axonpro.sk, jabber:oer...@jabber.org For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. Richard Feynman ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] [RFI] GUI Changes for oVirt 4.0
Well I'd have some privacy concerns regarding this feature.. it might not even be useful if users are logged in via ssh /different ttys etc. Am 18.03.2014 15:12, schrieb Ernest Beinrohr: - auto-refreshed screenshots from the VMs consoles. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Regards Sven Kieske Systemadministrator Mittwald CM Service GmbH Co. KG Königsberger Straße 6 32339 Espelkamp T: +49-5772-293-100 F: +49-5772-293-333 https://www.mittwald.de Geschäftsführer: Robert Meyer St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG Bad Oeynhausen Komplementärin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260, AG Bad Oeynhausen ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] [RFI] GUI Changes for oVirt 4.0
Am 18.03.2014 14:31, schrieb Jiri Belka: 100% agree, duplicity between the tree and main tabs is crazy. Well I would also use the tree if it is fast enough. Just don't duplicate logic if not necessary, as it's just confusing even experienced users. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Regards Sven Kieske Systemadministrator Mittwald CM Service GmbH Co. KG Königsberger Straße 6 32339 Espelkamp T: +49-5772-293-100 F: +49-5772-293-333 https://www.mittwald.de Geschäftsführer: Robert Meyer St.Nr.: 331/5721/1033, USt-IdNr.: DE814773217, HRA 6640, AG Bad Oeynhausen Komplementärin: Robert Meyer Verwaltungs GmbH, HRB 13260, AG Bad Oeynhausen ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [Users] [RFI] GUI Changes for oVirt 4.0
On 3/18/2014 6:29 AM, Itamar Heim wrote: we are brainstorming on what should we change in the oVirt UI for 4.0. for current brainstorming phase, anything goes - i.e., I'd like us to ignore current limitations and flows, and envision/fantasize the perfect solution. SO - what do YOU think we should consider for 4.0 UI concept, flows, etc. I have an idea, though it may be relevant only to smaller setups. I would like one place that I can go and see the health of my system. Right now I am running a cluster in test mode, and I have to look at several places before I have confidence that all is well: Data Center Storage (I am using gluster) Hosts VMs The natural place for me to look would seem to be the left bar. If the icons there had a color change to reflect status, I could just hit Expand All and the color would immediately tell me the system status. Same icons would work, with just a background or little square of color. I realize that my little 3-host system is the exception, because (so far) I can hit Expand all and I can still see the whole thing. I will not have to deploy many more VMs before it will not all fit. There may be a better way to do this, e.g. another choice between Expand all and Collapse All that would expand all except the lowest level. It would then show me categories like Storage, Networks, Hosts, Volumes and VMs with a health color indication for each cluster. If I see anything I am not expecting, I can expand that heading and see the status of the individual items. There may be a better way to do this, but I know that it is somewhat frustrating to check first thing in the morning and have to do some many clicks before I have confidence that nothing bad happened overnight. I have actually found it faster to click on the Events tab and see if there are any nasty messages there, rather than checking current status. I look forward to the insights of others as to how they monitor cluster status. Ted Miller Elkhart, IN, USA ___ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
