Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread André Warnier
Jeffrey Janner wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions so far guys. Are there any other tips I could provide to the developers that they can do to improve throughput? Should they hard-code the http:// for all the static elements to avoid passing them over SSL, If these items are not sensitive,

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread Pid
off big time. Even a cheap low power server might offer a better service if the resources are small enough, and it's in the locality. p -Original Message- From: Pid [mailto:p...@pidster.com] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:12 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Compression

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread Peter Crowther
2009/11/2 George Sexton geor...@mhsoftware.com You didn't read the original post very closely. to serve applications from the US to Asia-based clients. It's bandwidth and latency. Actually, yes, I did. And I saw that, and I suspected latency would be the answer. Suspicion is not

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread André Warnier
Peter Crowther wrote: ... Jeffrey's since confirmed it's not a CPU issue - thanks Jeffrey! - so I agree that bandwidth/latency is the one to solve, as the rest of the thread's been working on while I've been asleep! Elaborating a bit on what I mentioned before, and sorry Jeffrey if this sounds

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread Pid
On 03/11/2009 10:40, André Warnier wrote: Peter Crowther wrote: ... Jeffrey's since confirmed it's not a CPU issue - thanks Jeffrey! - so I agree that bandwidth/latency is the one to solve, as the rest of the thread's been working on while I've been asleep! Elaborating a bit on what I

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread Jeffrey Janner
Message- From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 2:07 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Compression and SSL Can I get more granular? I'd be happy for a pointer to a good reference on the subject. There are probably tons on Google, if you look

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread Jeffrey Janner
. we have to customize some files that would be in the WAR. Jeff -Original Message- From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:41 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Compression and SSL Peter Crowther wrote: ... Jeffrey's since confirmed it's

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread Pid
: Compression and SSL Can I get more granular? I'd be happy for a pointer to a good reference on the subject. There are probably tons on Google, if you look for website optimi[z,s]ation or the like. Personally, I have found that a very large proportion of websites on the WWW are slow because

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 André, On 11/3/2009 3:06 AM, André Warnier wrote: You have to look at it from the browser's point of view. When it sees an incomplete link, it completes it using the protocol and hostname from which the current page was obtained, and then it

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-03 Thread George Sexton
-Original Message- From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 5:18 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Compression and SSL Thanks for all the suggestions so far guys. Are there any other tips I could provide to the developers

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread Pid
On 02/11/2009 16:48, Jeffrey Janner wrote: OK, another newbie-ish question here. I am using Tomcat 5.5.x with APR/native libraries on Windows 2003 x32 or Windows 2008 x64 to serve applications from the US to Asia-based clients. We encrypt everything using SSL, from Login page onward, with

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread André Warnier
Jeffrey Janner wrote: OK, another newbie-ish question here. Then a dummy-ish answer may be sufficient : Will setting the HTTPS connector compression=on actually compress the data for HTTPS? It will compress all data it would compress it it wasn't HTTPS. Does it compress before or after

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread George Sexton
-Original Message- From: Pid [mailto:p...@pidster.com] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:12 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Compression and SSL On 02/11/2009 16:48, Jeffrey Janner wrote: OK, another newbie-ish question here. I am using Tomcat 5.5.x with APR/native

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread Peter Crowther
2009/11/2 George Sexton geor...@mhsoftware.com In general, Compressing HTML can help a great deal for any case besides a local network. ... or a CPU-limited server. To the OP: What's the bottleneck in your environment? CPU? Disk I/O? Network bandwidth? Measure the problem, *then* look for

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread George Sexton
-Original Message- From: peter.crowth...@googlemail.com [mailto:peter.crowth...@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Crowther Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:35 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Compression and SSL 2009/11/2 George Sexton geor...@mhsoftware.com

Re: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeffrey, On 11/2/2009 11:48 AM, Jeffrey Janner wrote: We encrypt everything using SSL, from Login page onward, with transport-guarantee of CONFIDENTIAL. [snip] Response time is noticeably slow (based on complaint level) and I am looking for

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread Jeffrey Janner
] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:12 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Compression and SSL On 02/11/2009 16:48, Jeffrey Janner wrote: OK, another newbie-ish question here. I am using Tomcat 5.5.x with APR/native libraries on Windows 2003 x32 or Windows 2008 x64 to serve applications from

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread Jeffrey Janner
To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Compression and SSL Jeffrey Janner wrote: OK, another newbie-ish question here. Then a dummy-ish answer may be sufficient : Will setting the HTTPS connector compression=on actually compress the data for HTTPS? It will compress all data it would compress

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread Jeffrey Janner
, November 02, 2009 1:35 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Compression and SSL 2009/11/2 George Sexton geor...@mhsoftware.com In general, Compressing HTML can help a great deal for any case besides a local network. ... or a CPU-limited server. To the OP: What's the bottleneck in your

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread Jeffrey Janner
From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:ch...@christopherschultz.net] Will setting the HTTPS connector compression=on actually compress the data for HTTPS? Any reason to suspect it wouldn't? Some result from a Google search I did trying to find a solution to this issue led me to infer that it

RE: Compression and SSL

2009-11-02 Thread Jeffrey Janner
: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:56 PM To: 'Tomcat Users List' Subject: RE: Compression and SSL -Original Message- From: peter.crowth...@googlemail.com [mailto:peter.crowth...@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Crowther Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:35 PM To: Tomcat Users List