Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
Seam and Wicket shouldn't compared. Seam is an integration framework (Hibernate, EJB3, JSF, jBPM, Quartz ...) , Wicket is a web framework. My current favorite frameworks are: Seam, Wicket and GWT Second rank: Tapestry, Grails Erik van Oosten wrote: Glad that is out of the way :) Wicket and Seam are frequently compared. But I think it is not a fair/possible comparison. We might as well compare TestNG with Mockito, both are about testing but in an entirely different league. Seam's goal (as far as my humble knowledge goes) is targeted at combining a variety of frameworks (in particular EJB3 and JSF). Focus is on managing transactions and passing data around by storing and retrieving it from an array of (untyped) contexts. (Please forgive me if I am completely wrong.) Wicket's goal is to provide a natural OO environment to program a html user interface. (Reusable UI components anyone?) Passing data around is the responsibility of components but is typically done with (fully typed) models. There is no need for contexts to keep state as the entire components are kept as state. This is done by storing complete page component hierarchies to a page map. Usually you have one page map per session. Wicket's transaction support is no better or worse then the next web framework. Regards, Erik. HHB wrote: What I would like to know? If Wicket supports multi-window/tap (beginning a new (what I can call?) a conversation)? Well, yes, it does http://wicketstuff.org/wicket13doc/org/apache/wicket/settings/IPageSettings.html Multi-window/tap isn't the gem of Seam, one of them :) We need to do more marketing for wicket guys:ninja: Erik van Oosten wrote: Apart from letting you guess what a page map is (a collection of visited pages) I think Ernesto gave a very decent response. So lets turn this around: What would you like to know? Regards, Erik. PS. If that really is /the/ gem of Seam, you're in for a treat with Wicket! ;) HHB wrote: This effects all the Wicket pages in the application, right? Seam folks advertise this feature as one of the gems of Seam framework, why Wicket doesn't shed more light on it? Common Wicket, no need to be humble this time :) -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Multi-tap-operations-in-Wicket-tp21125698p21141315.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
See Application.getPageSettings().getAutomaticMultiWindowSupport() and the explanation given at javadoc. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:39 AM, HHB hubaghd...@yahoo.ca wrote: Hey, Seam framework supports the multi-tab / multi-window operations, it isolates each process from the other out-of-the-box. Does Wicket offer the same thing? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Multi-tap-operations-in-Wicket-tp21125698p21125698.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
This effects all the Wicket pages in the application, right? Seam folks advertise this feature as one of the gems of Seam framework, why Wicket doesn't shed more light on it? Common Wicket, no need to be humble this time :) reiern70 wrote: See Application.getPageSettings().getAutomaticMultiWindowSupport() and the explanation given at javadoc. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:39 AM, HHB hubaghd...@yahoo.ca wrote: Hey, Seam framework supports the multi-tab / multi-window operations, it isolates each process from the other out-of-the-box. Does Wicket offer the same thing? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Multi-tap-operations-in-Wicket-tp21125698p21125698.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Multi-tap-operations-in-Wicket-tp21125698p21127909.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:35 PM, HHB hubaghd...@yahoo.ca wrote: This effects all the Wicket pages in the application, right? Seam folks advertise this feature as one of the gems of Seam framework, why Wicket doesn't shed more light on it? Common Wicket, no need to be humble this time :) I'm just a user, so do not have an answer for that... I guess wicket is so feature rich and there is so much to advertise that maybe that part has been under-stated. Maybe you should write a RFE to add that info to this page? http://wicket.apache.org/features.html Ernesto reiern70 wrote: See Application.getPageSettings().getAutomaticMultiWindowSupport() and the explanation given at javadoc. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:39 AM, HHB hubaghd...@yahoo.ca wrote: Hey, Seam framework supports the multi-tab / multi-window operations, it isolates each process from the other out-of-the-box. Does Wicket offer the same thing? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Multi-tap-operations-in-Wicket-tp21125698p21125698.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Multi-tap-operations-in-Wicket-tp21125698p21127909.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
Apart from letting you guess what a page map is (a collection of visited pages) I think Ernesto gave a very decent response. So lets turn this around: What would you like to know? Regards, Erik. PS. If that really is /the/ gem of Seam, you're in for a treat with Wicket! ;) HHB wrote: This effects all the Wicket pages in the application, right? Seam folks advertise this feature as one of the gems of Seam framework, why Wicket doesn't shed more light on it? Common Wicket, no need to be humble this time :) -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
What I would like to know? If Wicket supports multi-window/tap (beginning a new (what I can call?) a conversation)? Well, yes, it does http://wicketstuff.org/wicket13doc/org/apache/wicket/settings/IPageSettings.html Multi-window/tap isn't the gem of Seam, one of them :) We need to do more marketing for wicket guys:ninja: Erik van Oosten wrote: Apart from letting you guess what a page map is (a collection of visited pages) I think Ernesto gave a very decent response. So lets turn this around: What would you like to know? Regards, Erik. PS. If that really is /the/ gem of Seam, you're in for a treat with Wicket! ;) HHB wrote: This effects all the Wicket pages in the application, right? Seam folks advertise this feature as one of the gems of Seam framework, why Wicket doesn't shed more light on it? Common Wicket, no need to be humble this time :) -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Multi-tap-operations-in-Wicket-tp21125698p21129508.html Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
Glad that is out of the way :) Wicket and Seam are frequently compared. But I think it is not a fair/possible comparison. We might as well compare TestNG with Mockito, both are about testing but in an entirely different league. Seam's goal (as far as my humble knowledge goes) is targeted at combining a variety of frameworks (in particular EJB3 and JSF). Focus is on managing transactions and passing data around by storing and retrieving it from an array of (untyped) contexts. (Please forgive me if I am completely wrong.) Wicket's goal is to provide a natural OO environment to program a html user interface. (Reusable UI components anyone?) Passing data around is the responsibility of components but is typically done with (fully typed) models. There is no need for contexts to keep state as the entire components are kept as state. This is done by storing complete page component hierarchies to a page map. Usually you have one page map per session. Wicket's transaction support is no better or worse then the next web framework. Regards, Erik. HHB wrote: What I would like to know? If Wicket supports multi-window/tap (beginning a new (what I can call?) a conversation)? Well, yes, it does http://wicketstuff.org/wicket13doc/org/apache/wicket/settings/IPageSettings.html Multi-window/tap isn't the gem of Seam, one of them :) We need to do more marketing for wicket guys:ninja: Erik van Oosten wrote: Apart from letting you guess what a page map is (a collection of visited pages) I think Ernesto gave a very decent response. So lets turn this around: What would you like to know? Regards, Erik. PS. If that really is /the/ gem of Seam, you're in for a treat with Wicket! ;) HHB wrote: This effects all the Wicket pages in the application, right? Seam folks advertise this feature as one of the gems of Seam framework, why Wicket doesn't shed more light on it? Common Wicket, no need to be humble this time :) -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
Hi Erik, Still one question remains... Should that feature be added to [1]? Or it is small enough to be discarded... Best, Ernesto [1]-http://wicket.apache.org/features.html On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Erik van Oosten e.vanoos...@grons.nlwrote: Glad that is out of the way :) Wicket and Seam are frequently compared. But I think it is not a fair/possible comparison. We might as well compare TestNG with Mockito, both are about testing but in an entirely different league. Seam's goal (as far as my humble knowledge goes) is targeted at combining a variety of frameworks (in particular EJB3 and JSF). Focus is on managing transactions and passing data around by storing and retrieving it from an array of (untyped) contexts. (Please forgive me if I am completely wrong.) Wicket's goal is to provide a natural OO environment to program a html user interface. (Reusable UI components anyone?) Passing data around is the responsibility of components but is typically done with (fully typed) models. There is no need for contexts to keep state as the entire components are kept as state. This is done by storing complete page component hierarchies to a page map. Usually you have one page map per session. Wicket's transaction support is no better or worse then the next web framework. Regards, Erik. HHB wrote: What I would like to know? If Wicket supports multi-window/tap (beginning a new (what I can call?) a conversation)? Well, yes, it does http://wicketstuff.org/wicket13doc/org/apache/wicket/settings/IPageSettings.html Multi-window/tap isn't the gem of Seam, one of them :) We need to do more marketing for wicket guys:ninja: Erik van Oosten wrote: Apart from letting you guess what a page map is (a collection of visited pages) I think Ernesto gave a very decent response. So lets turn this around: What would you like to know? Regards, Erik. PS. If that really is /the/ gem of Seam, you're in for a treat with Wicket! ;) HHB wrote: This effects all the Wicket pages in the application, right? Seam folks advertise this feature as one of the gems of Seam framework, why Wicket doesn't shed more light on it? Common Wicket, no need to be humble this time :) -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
Ah :) IMHO it should be added. It might be a small thing in the larger Wicket picture, but it is a big deal for some applications. Care to open a issue? Erik. Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro wrote: Hi Erik, Still one question remains... Should that feature be added to [1]? Or it is small enough to be discarded... Best, Ernesto [1]-http://wicket.apache.org/features.html -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Multi-tap operations in Wicket
Done (hope I did at the right place;-) https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-1990 Best, Ernesto Erik van Oosten wrote: Ah :) IMHO it should be added. It might be a small thing in the larger Wicket picture, but it is a big deal for some applications. Care to open a issue? Erik. Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro wrote: Hi Erik, Still one question remains... Should that feature be added to [1]? Or it is small enough to be discarded... Best, Ernesto [1]-http://wicket.apache.org/features.html -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
