RE: Wicket and mobile browsers
Martin, Nokia has never been able to do JavaScript right. The other traditional phone manufacturers have not done any better. Same is true for most everything about their phone (e.g. their user-interfaces). Most businesses I work with do not spend much time or money with this type of phone. For instance, if you point it to mobile.walmart.com, you get the most basic experience only. No JavaScript used in this one. Same is true for m.wellsfargo.com. If you use Android or an iPhone, there is plenty of Wicket JavaScript and the UI is significantly richer. One of the reasons for this is that while there are still many of these types of phones out there, their users do not use MWeb and have no ability to use apps. No sense spending money there when the majority of actual MWeb users have Web-Kit based browser that do Wicket Ajax perfectly. :) Best regards, Joachim On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 07:51 +1000, Chris Colman wrote: Whoops! That should have read 'Nokia E51' - I accidentally mixed the brand name of my previous phone with the model number of my current phone. Should a Motorola E51 be able to use a stock standard wicket site with a bit of AJAX? Apparently its browser has javascript support (and it is enabled) but I can never get any parts of our wicket website that require AJAX to work on this phone. Any idea why not? -Original Message- From: Martin Funk [mailto:mafulaf...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 7:10 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket and mobile browsers Thank you for the hint, mobileaware wasn't on my radar so far. 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Martin, WURFL is a great solution, but there are some problems with keeping it up-to-date for commercial applications. http://www.mobileaware.com/ is a good commercial vendor I have used for m.wellsfarg.com and other sites. They have an extensive device-repository and a lot of other useful features for building MWeb sites. Downside: $$$ Best regards, Joachim On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 17:36 +0200, Martin Funk wrote: Hi Giovanni, on what basis do you do the device recognition and classification? Currently we are looking into wurfl http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/ Any opion on tha? Or do you know of an alternative to wurfl? mf 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Giovanni, I am one of the developers of mobile.walmart.com. We are using Wicket to support all types of cell phones, but most of our traffic is from smart phones. If you point to our site using iPhone, Blackberry, and Motorola Razor you get three different experience. All three experiences are backed by the same Java code. We have nothing to do with visural wicket (even though at first glance it looks interesting). Our opensource components are at http://code.google.com/p/jolira-tools/ Best regards, Joachim http://www.jolira.com On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 13:02 -0500, Jeremy Thomerson wrote: There are many classes of smart phones available. Some support n JS, some very limited, while others support just about anything you can put in a regular browser. Because of this, you may use the same java code with three or four different styles of markup so that each browser class has its own markup. Search the list for mobile.walmart.com and see the post made by the guys that created that site. It talked about this. They also released some open source components - visural wicket. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Giovanni pino_o...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to write a web application which will be accessed via mobile browsers from smartphones. What are the smartphone browsers which work well with Wicket? What kind of attention should I pay during the development of Wicket applications for mobile devices? Is there any tutorial about developing Wicket applications for mobile target browsers? Thanks in advance for any help. giovanni - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Wicket and mobile browsers
Thank you for the hint, mobileaware wasn't on my radar so far. 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Martin, WURFL is a great solution, but there are some problems with keeping it up-to-date for commercial applications. http://www.mobileaware.com/ is a good commercial vendor I have used for m.wellsfarg.com and other sites. They have an extensive device-repository and a lot of other useful features for building MWeb sites. Downside: $$$ Best regards, Joachim On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 17:36 +0200, Martin Funk wrote: Hi Giovanni, on what basis do you do the device recognition and classification? Currently we are looking into wurfl http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/ Any opion on tha? Or do you know of an alternative to wurfl? mf 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Giovanni, I am one of the developers of mobile.walmart.com. We are using Wicket to support all types of cell phones, but most of our traffic is from smart phones. If you point to our site using iPhone, Blackberry, and Motorola Razor you get three different experience. All three experiences are backed by the same Java code. We have nothing to do with visural wicket (even though at first glance it looks interesting). Our opensource components are at http://code.google.com/p/jolira-tools/ Best regards, Joachim http://www.jolira.com On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 13:02 -0500, Jeremy Thomerson wrote: There are many classes of smart phones available. Some support n JS, some very limited, while others support just about anything you can put in a regular browser. Because of this, you may use the same java code with three or four different styles of markup so that each browser class has its own markup. Search the list for mobile.walmart.com and see the post made by the guys that created that site. It talked about this. They also released some open source components - visural wicket. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Giovanni pino_o...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to write a web application which will be accessed via mobile browsers from smartphones. What are the smartphone browsers which work well with Wicket? What kind of attention should I pay during the development of Wicket applications for mobile devices? Is there any tutorial about developing Wicket applications for mobile target browsers? Thanks in advance for any help. giovanni
RE: Wicket and mobile browsers
Should a Motorola E51 be able to use a stock standard wicket site with a bit of AJAX? Apparently its browser has javascript support (and it is enabled) but I can never get any parts of our wicket website that require AJAX to work on this phone. Any idea why not? -Original Message- From: Martin Funk [mailto:mafulaf...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 7:10 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket and mobile browsers Thank you for the hint, mobileaware wasn't on my radar so far. 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Martin, WURFL is a great solution, but there are some problems with keeping it up-to-date for commercial applications. http://www.mobileaware.com/ is a good commercial vendor I have used for m.wellsfarg.com and other sites. They have an extensive device-repository and a lot of other useful features for building MWeb sites. Downside: $$$ Best regards, Joachim On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 17:36 +0200, Martin Funk wrote: Hi Giovanni, on what basis do you do the device recognition and classification? Currently we are looking into wurfl http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/ Any opion on tha? Or do you know of an alternative to wurfl? mf 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Giovanni, I am one of the developers of mobile.walmart.com. We are using Wicket to support all types of cell phones, but most of our traffic is from smart phones. If you point to our site using iPhone, Blackberry, and Motorola Razor you get three different experience. All three experiences are backed by the same Java code. We have nothing to do with visural wicket (even though at first glance it looks interesting). Our opensource components are at http://code.google.com/p/jolira-tools/ Best regards, Joachim http://www.jolira.com On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 13:02 -0500, Jeremy Thomerson wrote: There are many classes of smart phones available. Some support n JS, some very limited, while others support just about anything you can put in a regular browser. Because of this, you may use the same java code with three or four different styles of markup so that each browser class has its own markup. Search the list for mobile.walmart.com and see the post made by the guys that created that site. It talked about this. They also released some open source components - visural wicket. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Giovanni pino_o...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to write a web application which will be accessed via mobile browsers from smartphones. What are the smartphone browsers which work well with Wicket? What kind of attention should I pay during the development of Wicket applications for mobile devices? Is there any tutorial about developing Wicket applications for mobile target browsers? Thanks in advance for any help. giovanni - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
RE: Wicket and mobile browsers
Whoops! That should have read 'Nokia E51' - I accidentally mixed the brand name of my previous phone with the model number of my current phone. Should a Motorola E51 be able to use a stock standard wicket site with a bit of AJAX? Apparently its browser has javascript support (and it is enabled) but I can never get any parts of our wicket website that require AJAX to work on this phone. Any idea why not? -Original Message- From: Martin Funk [mailto:mafulaf...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 7:10 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Wicket and mobile browsers Thank you for the hint, mobileaware wasn't on my radar so far. 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Martin, WURFL is a great solution, but there are some problems with keeping it up-to-date for commercial applications. http://www.mobileaware.com/ is a good commercial vendor I have used for m.wellsfarg.com and other sites. They have an extensive device-repository and a lot of other useful features for building MWeb sites. Downside: $$$ Best regards, Joachim On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 17:36 +0200, Martin Funk wrote: Hi Giovanni, on what basis do you do the device recognition and classification? Currently we are looking into wurfl http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/ Any opion on tha? Or do you know of an alternative to wurfl? mf 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Giovanni, I am one of the developers of mobile.walmart.com. We are using Wicket to support all types of cell phones, but most of our traffic is from smart phones. If you point to our site using iPhone, Blackberry, and Motorola Razor you get three different experience. All three experiences are backed by the same Java code. We have nothing to do with visural wicket (even though at first glance it looks interesting). Our opensource components are at http://code.google.com/p/jolira-tools/ Best regards, Joachim http://www.jolira.com On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 13:02 -0500, Jeremy Thomerson wrote: There are many classes of smart phones available. Some support n JS, some very limited, while others support just about anything you can put in a regular browser. Because of this, you may use the same java code with three or four different styles of markup so that each browser class has its own markup. Search the list for mobile.walmart.com and see the post made by the guys that created that site. It talked about this. They also released some open source components - visural wicket. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Giovanni pino_o...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to write a web application which will be accessed via mobile browsers from smartphones. What are the smartphone browsers which work well with Wicket? What kind of attention should I pay during the development of Wicket applications for mobile devices? Is there any tutorial about developing Wicket applications for mobile target browsers? Thanks in advance for any help. giovanni - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Wicket and mobile browsers
Giovanni, I am one of the developers of mobile.walmart.com. We are using Wicket to support all types of cell phones, but most of our traffic is from smart phones. If you point to our site using iPhone, Blackberry, and Motorola Razor you get three different experience. All three experiences are backed by the same Java code. We have nothing to do with visural wicket (even though at first glance it looks interesting). Our opensource components are at http://code.google.com/p/jolira-tools/ Best regards, Joachim http://www.jolira.com On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 13:02 -0500, Jeremy Thomerson wrote: There are many classes of smart phones available. Some support n JS, some very limited, while others support just about anything you can put in a regular browser. Because of this, you may use the same java code with three or four different styles of markup so that each browser class has its own markup. Search the list for mobile.walmart.com and see the post made by the guys that created that site. It talked about this. They also released some open source components - visural wicket. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Giovanni pino_o...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to write a web application which will be accessed via mobile browsers from smartphones. What are the smartphone browsers which work well with Wicket? What kind of attention should I pay during the development of Wicket applications for mobile devices? Is there any tutorial about developing Wicket applications for mobile target browsers? Thanks in advance for any help. giovanni
Re: Wicket and mobile browsers
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com wrote: We have nothing to do with visural wicket Oops - my bad. Jolira / Visural - all the names jumble in my head after a while. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com
Re: Wicket and mobile browsers
Hi Giovanni, on what basis do you do the device recognition and classification? Currently we are looking into wurfl http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/ Any opion on tha? Or do you know of an alternative to wurfl? mf 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Giovanni, I am one of the developers of mobile.walmart.com. We are using Wicket to support all types of cell phones, but most of our traffic is from smart phones. If you point to our site using iPhone, Blackberry, and Motorola Razor you get three different experience. All three experiences are backed by the same Java code. We have nothing to do with visural wicket (even though at first glance it looks interesting). Our opensource components are at http://code.google.com/p/jolira-tools/ Best regards, Joachim http://www.jolira.com On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 13:02 -0500, Jeremy Thomerson wrote: There are many classes of smart phones available. Some support n JS, some very limited, while others support just about anything you can put in a regular browser. Because of this, you may use the same java code with three or four different styles of markup so that each browser class has its own markup. Search the list for mobile.walmart.com and see the post made by the guys that created that site. It talked about this. They also released some open source components - visural wicket. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Giovanni pino_o...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to write a web application which will be accessed via mobile browsers from smartphones. What are the smartphone browsers which work well with Wicket? What kind of attention should I pay during the development of Wicket applications for mobile devices? Is there any tutorial about developing Wicket applications for mobile target browsers? Thanks in advance for any help. giovanni
Re: Wicket and mobile browsers
Martin, WURFL is a great solution, but there are some problems with keeping it up-to-date for commercial applications. http://www.mobileaware.com/ is a good commercial vendor I have used for m.wellsfarg.com and other sites. They have an extensive device-repository and a lot of other useful features for building MWeb sites. Downside: $$$ Best regards, Joachim On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 17:36 +0200, Martin Funk wrote: Hi Giovanni, on what basis do you do the device recognition and classification? Currently we are looking into wurfl http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/ Any opion on tha? Or do you know of an alternative to wurfl? mf 2010/6/15 Joachim F. Kainz j...@jolira.com Giovanni, I am one of the developers of mobile.walmart.com. We are using Wicket to support all types of cell phones, but most of our traffic is from smart phones. If you point to our site using iPhone, Blackberry, and Motorola Razor you get three different experience. All three experiences are backed by the same Java code. We have nothing to do with visural wicket (even though at first glance it looks interesting). Our opensource components are at http://code.google.com/p/jolira-tools/ Best regards, Joachim http://www.jolira.com On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 13:02 -0500, Jeremy Thomerson wrote: There are many classes of smart phones available. Some support n JS, some very limited, while others support just about anything you can put in a regular browser. Because of this, you may use the same java code with three or four different styles of markup so that each browser class has its own markup. Search the list for mobile.walmart.com and see the post made by the guys that created that site. It talked about this. They also released some open source components - visural wicket. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Giovanni pino_o...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to write a web application which will be accessed via mobile browsers from smartphones. What are the smartphone browsers which work well with Wicket? What kind of attention should I pay during the development of Wicket applications for mobile devices? Is there any tutorial about developing Wicket applications for mobile target browsers? Thanks in advance for any help. giovanni
Re: Wicket and mobile browsers
I think there browsers that do not support: * cookie - not a problem because servlet containers solve this problem * JS - Ajax does not work * Complex CSS - UI should be simple, mobile screens are not big anyway Ngoc On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Giovanni pino_o...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to write a web application which will be accessed via mobile browsers from smartphones. What are the smartphone browsers which work well with Wicket? What kind of attention should I pay during the development of Wicket applications for mobile devices? Is there any tutorial about developing Wicket applications for mobile target browsers? Thanks in advance for any help. giovanni - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Wicket and mobile browsers
There are many classes of smart phones available. Some support n JS, some very limited, while others support just about anything you can put in a regular browser. Because of this, you may use the same java code with three or four different styles of markup so that each browser class has its own markup. Search the list for mobile.walmart.com and see the post made by the guys that created that site. It talked about this. They also released some open source components - visural wicket. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM, Giovanni pino_o...@yahoo.com wrote: I need to write a web application which will be accessed via mobile browsers from smartphones. What are the smartphone browsers which work well with Wicket? What kind of attention should I pay during the development of Wicket applications for mobile devices? Is there any tutorial about developing Wicket applications for mobile target browsers? Thanks in advance for any help. giovanni
