Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Vincent Massol]

On Oct 16, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Hamster  wrote:

> vmassol wrote
>> If someone can post this answer that would be great because I can't…
> 
> Done! :-)

Thanks! Not very convenient you'll admit... :)

-Vincent

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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

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vmassol wrote
> If someone can post this answer that would be great because I can't…

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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Vincent Massol]

On Oct 14, 2013, at 10:30 PM, Eduard Moraru  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Vincent Massol  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Vincent Massol 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Hamster  wrote:
 
> vmassol wrote
>> Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)
> 
> Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our questions
> there?
> 
> Nothing ventured, nothing gained…
 
 Because as it's mentioned, it's not easy. People will vote in Area51 and
 only the most requested will be open.
 
>>> 
>>> Yes, but sleeping in a burrow does not improve our chances of getting
>> more
>>> visibility of the project, does it? Neither does creating our own new
>>> underground establishment. If we plan on moving or doing anything in this
>>> direction, maybe the "forest" is where the action happens :)
>> 
>> I see 3 main reasons to move away from a mailing list for the users list:
>> 
>> 1) Make it extra easy for users to post a question without being registered
>> 2) Provide visibility for those who answer questions (i.e. earn points and
>> rankings) and as a consequence especially who are the experts
>> 3) Allow closing topics to know which one do not have a satisfactory
>> answer so that people who wish to help know which threads they can help on
>> 
>> IMO those are our main 3 use cases.
>> 
>> Then we can evaluate the options we have to fill those use cases:
>> 
>> A) Try to get a site on area51
>> B) Install a stackoverflow clone in our infrastructure (see
>> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2267/stack-overflow-clones)
>> C) Develop a solution based on XWiki
>> D) Other
>> 
> 
> Another suggestion:
> 
> E) Use the "xwiki" tag in generic stackoverflow questions?
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/xwiki
> 
> Do we really need that much bells and whistles and control? Of course,
> nothing stops us from trying area51 in parallel, but I don`t see that as a
> must.
> Most of the answers I find are on stackoverflow and not on its sub-sites
> and are generally well tagged. Plus, Google is usually in charge of finding
> the answers, but navigating with SO's internal tags is good enough as well.
> 
> WDYT?

As Marius and I mentioned on this thread we don't like the stackoverflow policy 
for answering questions. So for me it's a no go. I wouldn't even be able to 
reply to any question about XWiki anymore… (I'm not allowed to). So it would 
mean that someone external to the XWiki project would be telling me (a 
committer on the XWiki project)  that I can't answer questions about XWiki… How 
nice is that? :)

+ I don't think it's a good idea to give them all our data. Is there a way to 
export all the data from SO?

+ I think markmail provides a nicer way to search for users.

Thanks
-Vincent

PS: Just tried again to post an answer for 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18394365/how-do-i-check-for-documents-with-more-than-1-tag-in-xwiki
 to verify if I was still banned. If someone can post this answer that would be 
great because I can't… :( It says: "We are no longer accepting answers from 
this account. See the Help Center to learn more". And if you go to 
http://stackoverflow.com/help/answer-bans you'll see that "The ban will be 
lifted automatically by the system when it determines that your positive 
contributions outweigh those answers which were poorly received. " but since I 
cannot answer questions...

My answer to that question: 

"
You can use the following XWQL query which will list all documents having tags 
"tag1" and "tag2":

{{velocity}}
$services.query.xwql("from doc.object(XWiki.TagClass) as tag where  'tag1' 
member of tag.tags and  'tag2' member of tag.tags").execute()
{{/velocity}}

For more information on how to use XWQL see the reference documentation at 
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Query+Module
"

Thanks
-Vincent

> Thanks,
> Eduard
> 
> 
>> 
>> I don't like A) because the chances to get it is about 0.1% and even more
>> important I strongly dislike the way they manage stackoverflow (I'm not
>> able to provide answers to questions because at one point in the past I
>> answered a question by sending a user to a URL that gave the exact answer
>> to his question)… As a result this prevented me about 4-5 times from
>> answering a question for which I knew the answer… There's also the question
>> of not owning our own data.
>> 
>> C) is a lot of work but it could be possible because Jeremie is working on
>> a use case relatively close to it. And the "eat our dog food" is quite nice
>> and we can learn stuff in the process. XWiki fits nicely with the use case
>> of a "Q&A site" IMO. It should be relatively easy to start with a simple QA
>> app and progressively enhance it.
>> 
>> The "easiest" is probably B). For fun I'm trying
>> http://bitnami.com/stack/osqa locally.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent

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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Jeremie BOUSQUET]

2013/10/14 Vincent Massol 

>
> On Oct 14, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET 
> wrote:
>
> > Le 14 oct. 2013 20:58, "Vincent Massol"  a écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Vincent Massol 
> > wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Hamster  wrote:
> 
> > vmassol wrote
> >> Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)
> >
> > Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our
> questions
> > there?
> >
> > Nothing ventured, nothing gained…
> 
>  Because as it's mentioned, it's not easy. People will vote in Area51
> > and
>  only the most requested will be open.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Yes, but sleeping in a burrow does not improve our chances of getting
> > more
> >>> visibility of the project, does it? Neither does creating our own new
> >>> underground establishment. If we plan on moving or doing anything in
> > this
> >>> direction, maybe the "forest" is where the action happens :)
> >>
> >> I see 3 main reasons to move away from a mailing list for the users
> list:
> >>
> >> 1) Make it extra easy for users to post a question without being
> > registered
> > Posting without being registered could be an issue, unless you require an
> > email address, a captcha or both. It's then already more complex than
> > sending a (crappy) email from your phone ;)
>
> Most people find it too complex to register to a mailing list. Sending the
> email is ok once you're registered.
>
> What I mean is indeed to make it easy for a first time user to find how to
> post a question. And yes the registration could be done seamlessly by
> providing an email address/name and once the user has clicked submit send
> him an email that he needs to reply to to validate his question for example
> (to ensure the email is valid). Something seamless like this.
>

I don't remember having done something very different to register to
mailing-lists ... Except that mailman UI is a bit old-school, it's
relatively simple. What people maybe find more complex, is that they have
to register to another web page, than the one of the list they're
interested in.


>
> >> 2) Provide visibility for those who answer questions (i.e. earn points
> > and rankings) and as a consequence especially who are the experts
> > That is tough, not the implementation, but the way to make it meaningful
> > and not frustrating... Some answers can be complex and require time to
> > find, though in general they have the same weight than the "copy paste
> > link" answer ( very good also, but less demanding). I find that systems
> > that allow identifying the "best answer" are more useful.
>
> This is what stackoverflow does (and several other forums I've seen) and
> it seems to work quite well. Finding questions/answers is a different topic
> from what I meant here. Search usually works quite well to find existing
> topics IMO.
>

I was not talking about search, I was talking about the fact that it may
require time to "find the correct answer" for those who answer questions
(not because of search tool, but because it can be complex, require some
deep knowledge on some sujects, etc). Ranking and points can be fun and
provide some visibility, it could also be seen as some incitement to judge
only on "quantity" :)
You can for example build great statistics by always answering to questions
for which you now a wiki page has the answer, far better statistics than
someone who focuses on the others (the ones that need you to explain, and
why not create the missing documentation).
I do not say that it doesn't work, but to me the "risks" are the same as
with any rating/popularity system, it can be frustrating for individuals,
depending on how it's implemented and most of all used.



>
> >> 3) Allow closing topics to know which one do not have a satisfactory
> > answer so that people who wish to help know which threads they can help
> on
> > Not so easy either, who's in charge ? (If the requester forgot to put
> > "solved" in subject)... That could be large extra-work, to have this be
> > meaningful.
>
> This is used on a lots of forum apps that exist. The reporter should of
> course be allowed to say whether his question has been answered to. And the
> system could also allow committers/some contributors to close topics too by
> providing a reason to close it.
>
> > All those are great, but based on my (intranet and limited) experience,
> > nothing is more easy than sending a mail.
>
> Yes, sending an email is easy. Registering to a mailing list isn't. And
> searching for message isn't either since you need to find an archiving tool.
>

Sure but you don't register each time ...
What I can say is that XWiki is particularly fine to search for emails from
my contrib mail archive :) (thanks to livetable filtering + lucene/solr
search).


>
> Also even though sending an email is easy, replying to an existing thread
> isn't if you don't have t

Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Eduard Moraru]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Vincent Massol  wrote:

>
> On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Vincent Massol 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Hamster  wrote:
> >>
> >>> vmassol wrote
>  Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)
> >>>
> >>> Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our questions
> >>> there?
> >>>
> >>> Nothing ventured, nothing gained…
> >>
> >> Because as it's mentioned, it's not easy. People will vote in Area51 and
> >> only the most requested will be open.
> >>
> >
> > Yes, but sleeping in a burrow does not improve our chances of getting
> more
> > visibility of the project, does it? Neither does creating our own new
> > underground establishment. If we plan on moving or doing anything in this
> > direction, maybe the "forest" is where the action happens :)
>
> I see 3 main reasons to move away from a mailing list for the users list:
>
> 1) Make it extra easy for users to post a question without being registered
> 2) Provide visibility for those who answer questions (i.e. earn points and
> rankings) and as a consequence especially who are the experts
> 3) Allow closing topics to know which one do not have a satisfactory
> answer so that people who wish to help know which threads they can help on
>
> IMO those are our main 3 use cases.
>
> Then we can evaluate the options we have to fill those use cases:
>
> A) Try to get a site on area51
> B) Install a stackoverflow clone in our infrastructure (see
> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2267/stack-overflow-clones)
> C) Develop a solution based on XWiki
> D) Other
>

Another suggestion:

E) Use the "xwiki" tag in generic stackoverflow questions?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/xwiki

Do we really need that much bells and whistles and control? Of course,
nothing stops us from trying area51 in parallel, but I don`t see that as a
must.
Most of the answers I find are on stackoverflow and not on its sub-sites
and are generally well tagged. Plus, Google is usually in charge of finding
the answers, but navigating with SO's internal tags is good enough as well.

WDYT?

Thanks,
Eduard


>
> I don't like A) because the chances to get it is about 0.1% and even more
> important I strongly dislike the way they manage stackoverflow (I'm not
> able to provide answers to questions because at one point in the past I
> answered a question by sending a user to a URL that gave the exact answer
> to his question)… As a result this prevented me about 4-5 times from
> answering a question for which I knew the answer… There's also the question
> of not owning our own data.
>
> C) is a lot of work but it could be possible because Jeremie is working on
> a use case relatively close to it. And the "eat our dog food" is quite nice
> and we can learn stuff in the process. XWiki fits nicely with the use case
> of a "Q&A site" IMO. It should be relatively easy to start with a simple QA
> app and progressively enhance it.
>
> The "easiest" is probably B). For fun I'm trying
> http://bitnami.com/stack/osqa locally.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Vincent Massol]

On Oct 14, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET  
wrote:

> Le 14 oct. 2013 20:58, "Vincent Massol"  a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Vincent Massol 
> wrote:
>>> 
 
 On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Hamster  wrote:
 
> vmassol wrote
>> Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)
> 
> Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our questions
> there?
> 
> Nothing ventured, nothing gained…
 
 Because as it's mentioned, it's not easy. People will vote in Area51
> and
 only the most requested will be open.
 
>>> 
>>> Yes, but sleeping in a burrow does not improve our chances of getting
> more
>>> visibility of the project, does it? Neither does creating our own new
>>> underground establishment. If we plan on moving or doing anything in
> this
>>> direction, maybe the "forest" is where the action happens :)
>> 
>> I see 3 main reasons to move away from a mailing list for the users list:
>> 
>> 1) Make it extra easy for users to post a question without being
> registered
> Posting without being registered could be an issue, unless you require an
> email address, a captcha or both. It's then already more complex than
> sending a (crappy) email from your phone ;)

Most people find it too complex to register to a mailing list. Sending the 
email is ok once you're registered.

What I mean is indeed to make it easy for a first time user to find how to post 
a question. And yes the registration could be done seamlessly by providing an 
email address/name and once the user has clicked submit send him an email that 
he needs to reply to to validate his question for example (to ensure the email 
is valid). Something seamless like this.

>> 2) Provide visibility for those who answer questions (i.e. earn points
> and rankings) and as a consequence especially who are the experts
> That is tough, not the implementation, but the way to make it meaningful
> and not frustrating... Some answers can be complex and require time to
> find, though in general they have the same weight than the "copy paste
> link" answer ( very good also, but less demanding). I find that systems
> that allow identifying the "best answer" are more useful.

This is what stackoverflow does (and several other forums I've seen) and it 
seems to work quite well. Finding questions/answers is a different topic from 
what I meant here. Search usually works quite well to find existing topics IMO.

>> 3) Allow closing topics to know which one do not have a satisfactory
> answer so that people who wish to help know which threads they can help on
> Not so easy either, who's in charge ? (If the requester forgot to put
> "solved" in subject)... That could be large extra-work, to have this be
> meaningful.

This is used on a lots of forum apps that exist. The reporter should of course 
be allowed to say whether his question has been answered to. And the system 
could also allow committers/some contributors to close topics too by providing 
a reason to close it.

> All those are great, but based on my (intranet and limited) experience,
> nothing is more easy than sending a mail.

Yes, sending an email is easy. Registering to a mailing list isn't. And 
searching for message isn't either since you need to find an archiving tool.

Also even though sending an email is easy, replying to an existing thread isn't 
if you don't have the email locally to reply to. So if you're just a occasional 
user you don't want to receive all emails from everyone but you'd like to be 
able to reply to a thread from time to time. And you can't do that on a list.

> And the added-value of those
> features is useless if people do not use them, which you cannot force them
> to do.
> 
> (Ot : closing topics requires some thinking, many different possibilities
> exist)
> Forums are close and great, but somehow they are different and usually
> require more moderation activity. There are also a bunch of nearly empty
> unmoderated zombie forums on internet…

Why would they require more moderation than a mailing list? They require 
maintenance if you wish to do better than a mailing list simply because mailing 
lists don't offer those features! But if you do want these features then 
there's no choice anyway since ML don't offer them.

"There are also a bunch of nearly empty unmoderated zombie forums on internet"… 
the same thing can be said for a lot of mailing lists ;)

> That being said I struggled against mailing lists at my office, seeing them
> as the most archaic way of sharing. But at the same time, they proved to
> work far better than the more sophisticated solutions... I can't really
> compare, different targets.

As a dev, I also like mailing list which is why in the previous thread on this 
topic, I mentioned that the best of both world would be a forum app that 
bridges with mailing list, if you can solve the issue of seamlessly sending to 
the

Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Jeremie BOUSQUET]

Le 14 oct. 2013 20:58, "Vincent Massol"  a écrit :
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Vincent Massol 
wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Hamster  wrote:
> >>
> >>> vmassol wrote
>  Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)
> >>>
> >>> Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our questions
> >>> there?
> >>>
> >>> Nothing ventured, nothing gained…
> >>
> >> Because as it's mentioned, it's not easy. People will vote in Area51
and
> >> only the most requested will be open.
> >>
> >
> > Yes, but sleeping in a burrow does not improve our chances of getting
more
> > visibility of the project, does it? Neither does creating our own new
> > underground establishment. If we plan on moving or doing anything in
this
> > direction, maybe the "forest" is where the action happens :)
>
> I see 3 main reasons to move away from a mailing list for the users list:
>
> 1) Make it extra easy for users to post a question without being
registered
Posting without being registered could be an issue, unless you require an
email address, a captcha or both. It's then already more complex than
sending a (crappy) email from your phone ;)
> 2) Provide visibility for those who answer questions (i.e. earn points
and rankings) and as a consequence especially who are the experts
That is tough, not the implementation, but the way to make it meaningful
and not frustrating... Some answers can be complex and require time to
find, though in general they have the same weight than the "copy paste
link" answer ( very good also, but less demanding). I find that systems
that allow identifying the "best answer" are more useful.
> 3) Allow closing topics to know which one do not have a satisfactory
answer so that people who wish to help know which threads they can help on
Not so easy either, who's in charge ? (If the requester forgot to put
"solved" in subject)... That could be large extra-work, to have this be
meaningful.
>

All those are great, but based on my (intranet and limited) experience,
nothing is more easy than sending a mail. And the added-value of those
features is useless if people do not use them, which you cannot force them
to do.

(Ot : closing topics requires some thinking, many different possibilities
exist)
Forums are close and great, but somehow they are different and usually
require more moderation activity. There are also a bunch of nearly empty
unmoderated zombie forums on internet...

That being said I struggled against mailing lists at my office, seeing them
as the most archaic way of sharing. But at the same time, they proved to
work far better than the more sophisticated solutions... I can't really
compare, different targets.

> IMO those are our main 3 use cases.
>
> Then we can evaluate the options we have to fill those use cases:
>
> A) Try to get a site on area51
> B) Install a stackoverflow clone in our infrastructure (see
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2267/stack-overflow-clones)
> C) Develop a solution based on XWiki
> D) Other
>
> I don't like A) because the chances to get it is about 0.1% and even more
important I strongly dislike the way they manage stackoverflow (I'm not
able to provide answers to questions because at one point in the past I
answered a question by sending a user to a URL that gave the exact answer
to his question)… As a result this prevented me about 4-5 times from
answering a question for which I knew the answer… There's also the question
of not owning our own data.
>
> C) is a lot of work but it could be possible because Jeremie is working
on a use case relatively close to it. And the "eat our dog food" is quite
nice and we can learn stuff in the process. XWiki fits nicely with the use
case of a "Q&A site" IMO. It should be relatively easy to start with a
simple QA app and progressively enhance it.
>

For me qa is different, and better be faq (possibly extracted from the list
though it's difficult).
For sure, if you add "reply" to the archive I work on, you're not far from
a forum app. And you can "build" on it by adding nice features. But one
should not forget that it's built on a mailing-list, and people only
dealing with the "raw" emails should not get lost in the process (thinking
here of all non standard formatting tags some UIs like to add in emails
text... If you want formatting in emails, do HTML).

For the mail archive, I have more time to work on it these days... But
remaining work is quite big.

> The "easiest" is probably B). For fun I'm trying
http://bitnami.com/stack/osqa locally.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Marius Dumitru Florea]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Vincent Massol  wrote:
>
> On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Vincent Massol  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Hamster  wrote:
>>>
 vmassol wrote
> Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)

 Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our questions
 there?

 Nothing ventured, nothing gained…
>>>
>>> Because as it's mentioned, it's not easy. People will vote in Area51 and
>>> only the most requested will be open.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, but sleeping in a burrow does not improve our chances of getting more
>> visibility of the project, does it? Neither does creating our own new
>> underground establishment. If we plan on moving or doing anything in this
>> direction, maybe the "forest" is where the action happens :)
>
> I see 3 main reasons to move away from a mailing list for the users list:
>
> 1) Make it extra easy for users to post a question without being registered
> 2) Provide visibility for those who answer questions (i.e. earn points and 
> rankings) and as a consequence especially who are the experts
> 3) Allow closing topics to know which one do not have a satisfactory answer 
> so that people who wish to help know which threads they can help on
>
> IMO those are our main 3 use cases.
>
> Then we can evaluate the options we have to fill those use cases:
>
> A) Try to get a site on area51
> B) Install a stackoverflow clone in our infrastructure (see 
> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2267/stack-overflow-clones)
> C) Develop a solution based on XWiki
> D) Other
>

> I don't like A) because the chances to get it is about 0.1% and even more 
> important I strongly dislike the way they manage stackoverflow (I'm not able 
> to provide answers to questions because at one point in the past I answered a 
> question by sending a user to a URL that gave the exact answer to his 
> question)… As a result this prevented me about 4-5 times from answering a 
> question for which I knew the answer… There's also the question of not owning 
> our own data.

My (only) experience with stackoverflow wasn't good either. Someone
pointed me to a question regarding something I worked on and so I
tried to help. I created an account since I didn't had one and I tried
to leave a comment because I needed more information before giving a
solution/answer and because the rule was, I think, to not put
questions in the answer. Well, I couldn't comment because I did not
had enough points.. (obviously because I just created my account) so I
deleted my account and went on with my life.

Thanks,
Marius

>
> C) is a lot of work but it could be possible because Jeremie is working on a 
> use case relatively close to it. And the "eat our dog food" is quite nice and 
> we can learn stuff in the process. XWiki fits nicely with the use case of a 
> "Q&A site" IMO. It should be relatively easy to start with a simple QA app 
> and progressively enhance it.
>
> The "easiest" is probably B). For fun I'm trying 
> http://bitnami.com/stack/osqa locally.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Vincent Massol]

On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Vincent Massol  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Hamster  wrote:
>> 
>>> vmassol wrote
 Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)
>>> 
>>> Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our questions
>>> there?
>>> 
>>> Nothing ventured, nothing gained…
>> 
>> Because as it's mentioned, it's not easy. People will vote in Area51 and
>> only the most requested will be open.
>> 
> 
> Yes, but sleeping in a burrow does not improve our chances of getting more
> visibility of the project, does it? Neither does creating our own new
> underground establishment. If we plan on moving or doing anything in this
> direction, maybe the "forest" is where the action happens :)

I see 3 main reasons to move away from a mailing list for the users list:

1) Make it extra easy for users to post a question without being registered
2) Provide visibility for those who answer questions (i.e. earn points and 
rankings) and as a consequence especially who are the experts
3) Allow closing topics to know which one do not have a satisfactory answer so 
that people who wish to help know which threads they can help on

IMO those are our main 3 use cases.

Then we can evaluate the options we have to fill those use cases:

A) Try to get a site on area51
B) Install a stackoverflow clone in our infrastructure (see 
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2267/stack-overflow-clones)
C) Develop a solution based on XWiki 
D) Other

I don't like A) because the chances to get it is about 0.1% and even more 
important I strongly dislike the way they manage stackoverflow (I'm not able to 
provide answers to questions because at one point in the past I answered a 
question by sending a user to a URL that gave the exact answer to his 
question)… As a result this prevented me about 4-5 times from answering a 
question for which I knew the answer… There's also the question of not owning 
our own data.

C) is a lot of work but it could be possible because Jeremie is working on a 
use case relatively close to it. And the "eat our dog food" is quite nice and 
we can learn stuff in the process. XWiki fits nicely with the use case of a 
"Q&A site" IMO. It should be relatively easy to start with a simple QA app and 
progressively enhance it.

The "easiest" is probably B). For fun I'm trying http://bitnami.com/stack/osqa 
locally.

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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Eduard Moraru]

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Vincent Massol  wrote:

>
> On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Hamster  wrote:
>
> > vmassol wrote
> >> Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)
> >
> > Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our questions
> > there?
> >
> > Nothing ventured, nothing gained…
>
> Because as it's mentioned, it's not easy. People will vote in Area51 and
> only the most requested will be open.
>

Yes, but sleeping in a burrow does not improve our chances of getting more
visibility of the project, does it? Neither does creating our own new
underground establishment. If we plan on moving or doing anything in this
direction, maybe the "forest" is where the action happens :)

Thanks,
Eduard


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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Vincent Massol]

On Oct 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Hamster  wrote:

> vmassol wrote
>> Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)
> 
> Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our questions
> there?
> 
> Nothing ventured, nothing gained…

Because as it's mentioned, it's not easy. People will vote in Area51 and only 
the most requested will be open.

Thanks
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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Hamster]

Example:

http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/How-has-stackoverflow-taken-off-td6076614.html

I have NO IDEA what "plone" is, but they talk about the switch from Nabble
to StackOverflow...



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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Hamster]

vmassol wrote
> Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)

Why don't "we" open a "XWiki Site" and start posting all our questions
there?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained...



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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Vincent Massol]

On Oct 10, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Hamster  wrote:

> vmassol wrote
>> ...Basically I'd love something like stackoverflow for xwiki.
> 
> Area51, the StackExchange Q&A site creation zone
>   

Yes I know about Area51, see the mail thread I pointed out in my previous reply 
and especially this part:

* http://markmail.org/message/ntiakfz4baxwylwe
* http://markmail.org/message/6cqqriz5rylq26nk

Can you explain what you mean exactly? :)

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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Hamster]

vmassol wrote
> ...Basically I'd love something like stackoverflow for xwiki.

Area51, the StackExchange Q&A site creation zone
  



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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Jeremie BOUSQUET]

Hi Vincent,

Le 10 oct. 2013 07:45, "Vincent Massol"  a écrit :
>
> Hi Hamster,
>
> On Oct 10, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Hamster  wrote:
>
> > I would like to mark the topics/questions that I have created as
[SOLVED], so
> > I (and everybody else) can see which topics have been solved (and which
> > topics still need an answer).
> >
> > Is this possible with the current Nabble forum?
>
> I'd love that too but I don't think this is possible. This is one of the
reason we'd like to switch to using the application that Jeremie Bousquet
is still developing:
>
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/MailArchive+Application
>
> @Jeremie: what's the status? Is it still read-only or can you write mails
with it too now? Do you have the feature to close a thread?

No no reply yet. But that does not prevent managing this "[solved]" thing.
Good news is that I'm actively working on it. Currently on finishing the
loading UI (I reuse some bits of EM). But this is a quite big task...
Because I try to make it simple to use.

For thread closing : currently "types" of emails can be configured (with
matching regexps on emails parts), linked to auto tagging system.
What I'd like to do, is link this kind of event system to more kinds of
actions (like, say, updating thread state).

The reply feature should not be very complex to implement, but everything
takes time :) And I want the archiving feature finalized before moving on.

Also I'm not sure of what should be done with a closed thread. I can
disable reply from the app, but I can't prevent new mails to be sent from
other clients. I think those emails should be archived also (pb is solved
but there can be additional info). But if a thread is closed by an admin,
as a moderation action, new mails should not be archived...

>
> The other thing I'd like to have in a xwiki forum app is the ability to
give points to those who provide good answers. Basically I'd love something
like stackoverflow for xwiki.

Wouldn'nt it be possible with rating plugin ?
I'd say that first there should be a system to identify/vote for those best
answers.

>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> PS: FYI here's a thread where we discussed this:
http://markmail.org/thread/dyfhqyuug7xgjru2
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Re: [xwiki-users] Marking topics as [SOLVED]

[Vincent Massol]

Hi Hamster,

On Oct 10, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Hamster  wrote:

> I would like to mark the topics/questions that I have created as [SOLVED], so
> I (and everybody else) can see which topics have been solved (and which
> topics still need an answer).
> 
> Is this possible with the current Nabble forum?

I'd love that too but I don't think this is possible. This is one of the reason 
we'd like to switch to using the application that Jeremie Bousquet is still 
developing:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/MailArchive+Application

@Jeremie: what's the status? Is it still read-only or can you write mails with 
it too now? Do you have the feature to close a thread?

The other thing I'd like to have in a xwiki forum app is the ability to give 
points to those who provide good answers. Basically I'd love something like 
stackoverflow for xwiki.

Thanks
-Vincent

PS: FYI here's a thread where we discussed this: 
http://markmail.org/thread/dyfhqyuug7xgjru2

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