Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4
Guillaume, I've updated the http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt page with my suggestions so they can be taken into account while working on the editor's new version. Regards, Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guillaume Lerouge Sent: 10 March 2008 16:01 To: XWiki Users Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4 Hi, * An improved WYSIWYG editor with the following features: - cut and paste from Word and web pages easily i.e. without having to go back and adjust the formatting of what's been pasted onto an XWiki page snip... - if some wiki markup or code on a page could muckup the layout of the menu bars, etc can XWiki catch it and prevent it from doing that? Thanks for these numerous suggestions. Richard, could you please add them to the http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt page so that we can take them into account while working on the editor's new version ? There's indeed a lot to do and to think about in terms of how to display code wiki syntax in the WYSIWYG editor. I think how useful and useable the WYSIWYG editor is effects the users experience and whether they'like and want to use XWiki. Agreed. Which is why we're working on its specification in order to start its implementation ASAP. User feedback during this process would be more than welcome. * A way of sending emails to XWiki so they can be stored, archived and referenced from a wiki page. Yep, I remember some talking about this. BTW I wonder if XWiki Watch could be used for this? We'd just need to hook a mailbox + a POP module (or a mailing list archive reader) and it should work just fine I think. I'm not sure this is the most relevant way to do it. I'd rather see an email archive application that would work this way - you send an email to a given address (say [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) . The email is converted into a wiki page with an unique identifier based on its subject, sender, date etc. The page metadata uses the email info to fill in the author creation date. A check would probably be needed for protected page (add the email only if the sender's email adresses matches the one of an user who has rights on that page). An index page lists all the email and allows filtering searching them. A macro allows to quote a mail in a page (could be done with #includeTopic(MailArchive.UniqueEmailIdentifier) actually) Anyway more discussions would be needed to decide whether that application would be worth making it into XE 1.4 (though I'd be glad to have it). Here is some additional feedback I gathered : * Migration * Make the migration between 2 versions of XWiki even easier than it is now (some bugs remain, making upgrades a chore on many occasions). * Applications * Remove unfinished applications (such as the calendar the photo album) from the default distribution and put them as XARs on XWiki.org instead * Translations * Replace all text in the default wiki with $msg.get() calls and update the translation file to include EN FR translations for all of them. * Administration * Add a select box to the language selection field * Add explanations next to each field to explain what they do * Groups : add a button Add a member to this group on group pages (below the list of group members) * Space Administration * Add the ability to customize the color of a space easily in Toucan * Add the possibility to use the Panel Wizard for a space * Autosuggest * Generalize the autosuggest feature to most input fields on the wiki I'll try to post some more once I've received it. Guillaume Thales UK Ltd (Wells) DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not an addressee, you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on the information contained in this e-mail. Such unauthorised use may be unlawful. We may monitor all e-mail communications through our networks. If you have received this e-mail in error, please inform us immediately on +44 (0) 1749 672081 and delete it and all copies from your system. We accept no responsibility for changes to any e-mail which occur after it has been sent. Attachments to this e-mail may contain software viruses which could damage your system. We therefore recommend you virus-check all attachments before opening. A business of Thales UK Ltd. Registered Office: 2 Dashwood Lang Road, The Bourne Business Park, Addlestone, Weybridge, Surrey KT15 2NX Registered in England No. 868273
Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4
I don't kno wif this feature is working in 1.3 but one thing very important in my opinion is the fact that several person may be able to modify the same page, for example saving only the paragraph modified. It's not working in the 1.2 and thus it's a shame because you can't work in a medium sized page within a group. 2008/3/11, goldring, richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Guillaume, I've updated the http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt page with my suggestions so they can be taken into account while working on the editor's new version. Regards, Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guillaume Lerouge Sent: 10 March 2008 16:01 To: XWiki Users Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4 Hi, * An improved WYSIWYG editor with the following features: - cut and paste from Word and web pages easily i.e. without having to go back and adjust the formatting of what's been pasted onto an XWiki page snip... - if some wiki markup or code on a page could muckup the layout of the menu bars, etc can XWiki catch it and prevent it from doing that? Thanks for these numerous suggestions. Richard, could you please add them to the http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt page so that we can take them into account while working on the editor's new version ? There's indeed a lot to do and to think about in terms of how to display code wiki syntax in the WYSIWYG editor. I think how useful and useable the WYSIWYG editor is effects the users experience and whether they'like and want to use XWiki. Agreed. Which is why we're working on its specification in order to start its implementation ASAP. User feedback during this process would be more than welcome. * A way of sending emails to XWiki so they can be stored, archived and referenced from a wiki page. Yep, I remember some talking about this. BTW I wonder if XWiki Watch could be used for this? We'd just need to hook a mailbox + a POP module (or a mailing list archive reader) and it should work just fine I think. I'm not sure this is the most relevant way to do it. I'd rather see an email archive application that would work this way - you send an email to a given address (say [EMAIL PROTECTED]) . The email is converted into a wiki page with an unique identifier based on its subject, sender, date etc. The page metadata uses the email info to fill in the author creation date. A check would probably be needed for protected page (add the email only if the sender's email adresses matches the one of an user who has rights on that page). An index page lists all the email and allows filtering searching them. A macro allows to quote a mail in a page (could be done with #includeTopic(MailArchive.UniqueEmailIdentifier) actually) Anyway more discussions would be needed to decide whether that application would be worth making it into XE 1.4 (though I'd be glad to have it). Here is some additional feedback I gathered : Migration Make the migration between 2 versions of XWiki even easier than it is now (some bugs remain, making upgrades a chore on many occasions). Applications Remove unfinished applications (such as the calendar the photo album) from the default distribution and put them as XARs on XWiki.org instead Translations Replace all text in the default wiki with $msg.get() calls and update the translation file to include EN FR translations for all of them. Administration Add a select box to the language selection field Add explanations next to each field to explain what they do Groups : add a button Add a member to this group on group pages (below the list of group members) Space Administration Add the ability to customize the color of a space easily in Toucan Add the possibility to use the Panel Wizard for a space Autosuggest Generalize the autosuggest feature to most input fields on the wiki I'll try to post some more once I've received it. Guillaume Thales UK Ltd (Wells) DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not an addressee, you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on the information contained in this e-mail. Such unauthorised use may be unlawful. We may monitor all e-mail communications through our networks. If you have received this e-mail in error, please inform us immediately on +44 (0) 1749 672081 and delete it and all copies from your system. We accept no responsibility for changes to any e-mail which occur after it has been sent. Attachments to this e-mail may contain software viruses which could damage your system. We therefore recommend you virus-check all attachments before opening. A business
Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4
Hi Sylvain, I don't kno wif this feature is working in 1.3 but one thing very important in my opinion is the fact that several person may be able to modify the same page, for example saving only the paragraph modified. It's not working in the 1.2 and thus it's a shame because you can't work in a medium sized page within a group. No, it does not work yet. Actually this is part of the work on the new version of the WYSIWYG editor. We are currently working on trying to make real-time edition by several people working in the editor's next version, but it will most probably take a few months before it becomes available. You can follow the discussion about the WYSIWYG editor here : http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/binhttp://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt /view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBahttp://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt sedOnGwthttp://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt Thanks, Guillaume ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4
Hi I'll put these on the WYSIWYG editor page for reference. Thanks By the way - why don't the bullet points get rendered on the WYSIWYG editor page? That's a Toucan skin issue that was fixed in XE 1.3 Final (XWiki.org has not been updated yet). Guillaume ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4
Vincent Massol writes: - proper versioning (if 2 different users upload the same document name) What's not working with versioning of attachments? I don't recall seeing a problem about this. It might only be under 1.2 - but if someone downloads an attachment created by a different user, updates it then uploads the file under the same name, it does not appear as a version of the prior document - it's a new document. To get around this we had to have folks doing updates to authenticate under the same username (for one particular document). Wishlist - Table of contents macro a la mediawiki Already exists (unless the mediawiki one does something we don't). See http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/TocMacro Yes, but No :-) I mean with the same show/wide-in-a-box functionality. When creating large pages, this becomes very important - and the toc macro needs a nice wrapper around it ... like mediawiki has ;-) - WebDAV would be nice... Yep. We're planning to do that one as part of the Google Summer of Code so that's probably going to be more for XE 1.5 or later. It can definitely wait until 1.5 or later - I was only wishing. We're looking to contribute the notion of a simple reputation engine (user and content rating) that we have in prototype now. Very cool! How should we best do this? Show the code here (or devs)? The last time I played with xwiki.org, I got slapped :-) (and rightfully so!) ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4
Vincent, We'd like to see: * An improved WYSIWYG editor with the following features: - cut and paste from Word and web pages easily i.e. without having to go back and adjust the formatting of what's been pasted onto an XWiki page - cut and paste images without attaching first (i.e. when you cut and paste images are automatically attached the page) - can the appearance of table be made better and used to layout the page so text can be grouped in columns and boxes more easily? - don't think being able to flip between WYSIWYG and the wiki editor makes sense - when flipping from WYSIWYG editor and the wiki editor the markup isn't very readable or editable and a lot of errors seem to get introduced. I guess the wiki markup editor allows you to enter code easily so a wiki editor is still useful, but maybe the WYSIWYG editor could allow editing of text WYSIWYG style BUT also allow wiki editing of sections of the page, so that way you hide the awful WYSIWYG markup layout but allow wiki markups and code in defined sections of a page. These wiki/code sections in the WYSIWYG editor could then be marked by boxes containing the wiki markup and code - do you know what I mean? So you get rid of the wiki editor and have one editor the WYSIWYG editor that allows you to use wiki markup and code in user defined areas of a page. - if some wiki markup or code on a page could muckup the layout of the menu bars, etc can XWiki catch it and prevent it from doing that? I think how useful and useable the WYSIWYG editor is effects the users experience and whether they'like and want to use XWiki. * A way of sending emails to XWiki so they can be stored, archived and referenced from a wiki page. Hope that helps. Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: 10 March 2008 14:10 To: XWiki Developers; XWiki Users Subject: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4 Hi everyone, I'd like everyone's input for defining the XE 1.4 roadmap both on the general objectives and specific features/bugs to implement/fix. Here's my first take below. Please comment on it and add other stuff. This is a brainstorming session. Then we can start assigning committers/contributors to goals/issues. General Goals: * Bug fixes ** Go from 240 in JIRA for Core down to 180 on XE 1.4 release date * Better performance ** Run XE with a profiler and find bottlenecks ** Reduce number of database calls ** Improved page loading (JV) ** Make Stats usable on xwiki.org (ThomasM) * More automated tests ** More selenium tests ** Add tests on Tomcat 6.x as part of the CI build ** Add tests on Windows and with IE6 and IE7 as part of the CI build * No new features in general Of course there are some goals that are always valid irrelevant on any release and that we should keep in mind: * More tests * Better javadoc * More documentation on xwiki.org * Code cleanup/refactoring * Extract more plugins from core into plugins proper Specific issues to implement/fix * Add support for removing class properties (http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-99 ) * (optional - depending on availability) - New rendering rewrite (http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-654 ) * (optional - depending on availability) - Interface extensions (http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/InterfaceExtensions ) * Add any other critical issue here Thanks -Vincent ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users Thales UK Ltd (Wells) DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not an addressee, you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on the information contained in this e-mail. Such unauthorised use may be unlawful. We may monitor all e-mail communications through our networks. If you have received this e-mail in error, please inform us immediately on +44 (0) 1749 672081 and delete it and all copies from your system. We accept no responsibility for changes to any e-mail which occur after it has been sent. Attachments to this e-mail may contain software viruses which could damage your system. We therefore recommend you virus-check all attachments before opening. A business of Thales UK Ltd. Registered Office: 2 Dashwood Lang Road, The Bourne Business Park, Addlestone, Weybridge, Surrey KT15 2NX Registered in England No. 868273 ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4
Hi, * An improved WYSIWYG editor with the following features: - cut and paste from Word and web pages easily i.e. without having to go back and adjust the formatting of what's been pasted onto an XWiki page snip... - if some wiki markup or code on a page could muckup the layout of the menu bars, etc can XWiki catch it and prevent it from doing that? Thanks for these numerous suggestions. Richard, could you please add them to the http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwtpage so that we can take them into account while working on the editor's new version ? There's indeed a lot to do and to think about in terms of how to display code wiki syntax in the WYSIWYG editor. I think how useful and useable the WYSIWYG editor is effects the users experience and whether they'like and want to use XWiki. Agreed. Which is why we're working on its specification in order to start its implementation ASAP. User feedback during this process would be more than welcome. * A way of sending emails to XWiki so they can be stored, archived and referenced from a wiki page. Yep, I remember some talking about this. BTW I wonder if XWiki Watch could be used for this? We'd just need to hook a mailbox + a POP module (or a mailing list archive reader) and it should work just fine I think. I'm not sure this is the most relevant way to do it. I'd rather see an email archive application that would work this way - you send an email to a given address (say [EMAIL PROTECTED]) . The email is converted into a wiki page with an unique identifier based on its subject, sender, date etc. The page metadata uses the email info to fill in the author creation date. A check would probably be needed for protected page (add the email only if the sender's email adresses matches the one of an user who has rights on that page). An index page lists all the email and allows filtering searching them. A macro allows to quote a mail in a page (could be done with #includeTopic( MailArchive.UniqueEmailIdentifier) actually) Anyway more discussions would be needed to decide whether that application would be worth making it into XE 1.4 (though I'd be glad to have it). Here is some additional feedback I gathered : - *Migration* - Make the migration between 2 versions of XWiki even easier than it is now (some bugs remain, making upgrades a chore on many occasions). - *Applications* - Remove unfinished applications (such as the calendar the photo album) from the default distribution and put them as XARs on XWiki.org instead - *Translations* - Replace all text in the default wiki with $msg.get() calls and update the translation file to include EN FR translations for all of them. - *Administration* - Add a select box to the language selection field - Add explanations next to each field to explain what they do - Groups : add a button Add a member to this group on group pages (below the list of group members) - *Space Administration* - Add the ability to customize the color of a space easily in Toucan - Add the possibility to use the Panel Wizard for a space - *Autosuggest* - Generalize the autosuggest feature to most input fields on the wiki I'll try to post some more once I've received it. Guillaume ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Re: [xwiki-users] Roadmap for XE 1.4
Vincent Massol writes: I'd like everyone's input for defining the XE 1.4 roadmap both on the general objectives and specific features/bugs to implement/fix. Specific issues to implement/fix WYSIWYG editor stability - Table behavior (a new table editor would be welcome) - Whitespace processing - Misbehavior in the presence of code or complex styles Attachment handling - memory / resource demands - proper versioning (if 2 different users upload the same document name) Wishlist - Table of contents macro a la mediawiki - WebDAV would be nice... We're looking to contribute the notion of a simple reputation engine (user and content rating) that we have in prototype now. -- Jim Dowson CTO, Global Services, EMC Corporation Linx: (617) 598-0505 ___ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
