Dear Martin,
Do you remember this:
Dear Editor,
I am 40. I have never been taught Imperial measures in school and yet
I am surrounded by people who talk about inches, pints, miles and
ounces. I find it quite obscene that I have to learn about measures
that were declared moribund before I
David Cameron was probably not taught how to manipulate imperial figures at
school. He might not know how to add up 3 lb 4oz, 5 lb 14 oz and 6 lb 5 oz.
It gets even more difficult using a calculator. However Philip Hammond, the
new transport minister who is a few years old than Cameron might just
The point is that they do not know they are using an energy term. They
think it's a "speed" (rate) term.
Perhaps what confounds that confusion is that you can go to a big-box
store and look at heaters. The electric ones are rated in watts and the
gas ones are rated in "BTUs"a -- at least on
Jim,
I agree with glassy-eyed and wobbly kneed, but this is the ROOT of all energy
vs power confusion.
Just ask, "So, after the grill has consumed 15000 BTU, it dies? That seems
like a lot of money for a grill with a one hour life."
I'm afraid it is up to the engineers to be persistent PITAs
John, your last paragraph can be exemplified with the ratings that one
sees posted for gas grills. They are usually rated as being, for
example, "15 000 BTU". What is meant, though, is "15 000 Btu/h" -- where
I have fixed the error in the symbol and have added the divisor. The
former is an en
Pat,
I'm sorry but I must go back to your statement to Stan, " It seems really odd
to me that engineers, who
> probably know much better, are using a power unit
> when they are referring to energy."
In the instance you cite, you are talking about energy over a time period, and
energy divided
Rather than banning postings by persons who oppose metrication from this USMA
listserver, I propose that the list manager reject postings that do not express
quantities in SI units (at least in *first* position in *all* declarations of
measured or specified values of quantities, with all supple
On 2010/06/09, at 10:11 , John M. Steele wrote:
Or in a given heap of coal. I of course agree with that, and
believe I already referenced that situation, if only by that
example. However, Pat is describing an annual energy usage as
though it was a one time use and energy was never used ag
Dear Pat,
Thank you for your reply Pat. Thank you also for your outstanding
contribution in promoting the SI through the USMA, and in your capacities as
a private metrication expert and consultant to many individuals and
businesses. We could do with a lot more of you.
Sincerely an
On 2010/06/09, at 10:09 , John Candido wrote:
Dear Stephen,
Let’s hope it is an inaccurate story. The last thing that the UK
needs is an anti-metric government in 2010! The UK should be pro-
metric and complete the process of educating the public about the
metric system together with fin
Or in a given heap of coal. I of course agree with that, and believe I already
referenced that situation, if only by that example. However, Pat is describing
an annual energy usage as though it was a one time use and energy was never
used again. The specific example in Pat's pdf file is the 1
Dear Stephen,
Let's hope it is an inaccurate story. The last thing that the UK needs is
an anti-metric government in 2010! The UK should be pro-metric and complete
the process of educating the public about the metric system together with
finishing-off imperial road signs that have no place in
There are discrete amounts of energy, *independent of time*.
i.e. independent of power. Examples:
1. Work required to lift a mass m, a height h, in a gravitational field g,
where g can be g(h) W = m g h (symbols in italics)
2. Energy of a photon; E = h f (f = nu)
3. Kinetic energy of a mo
Please be aware that there is a change of government.
The main part of the new government (the Tories) advertised themselves as
'Saving the pound and the ounce for Britain' in a recent euro-election leaflet.
If I was a betting man - I would bet a huge sum that David Cameron is not
pro-metric.
UK government policy on metication is, to quote one recent Prime Minister:
“that the United Kingdom should – in stages – switch from imperial to metric
units of measurement for an ever-increasing range of uses”
If the Express story is true (we have to treat it with caution) then Hammond is
exc
"John Frewen Lord calls me a wind up merchant"
You are! ;-)
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Humphreys
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: [USMA:47484] Re: Opponents of metrication change
Thanks for your words, John - you would make
Paul, sir:
>Metrication is like the "Love And Marriage" song---you can't have one without
>the others.
WELL, said. Anti-metric lobbyists need to reconcile that US economy need a push
(not anti-teachings to younger generation).
SI-ncerely,
Brij Bhushan Vij
(MJD 55355)/1726+D-170W24-02 (G.
Response to the article.
Please note: two years ago,a Myanmar standards official replied to me
that Myanmar had no metrication plan.
Paul
Begin forwarded message:
From: Paul Trusten
Date: June 8, 2010 8:03:42 PDT
To: "lett...@usatoday.com"
Subject: "I-19 is in midst of metric muddle" sto
Dear USA Today,
Ms. El Nasser's June 8 article on the confusion over Arizona's I-19
metric-only distance signs did not explain adequately the mission of
the U.S. Metric Assiciation (USMA), which is for the U.S. to change
over to the metric system of measurement as the Nation's sole,
every
Hmmm, actually I'd say it's the Minister who lit the fuse, Stephen. ;-)
Unless it's the Express (if they got their reporting wrong).
Cheers,
Ezra
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Humphreys"
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 2:44:07 AM GMT -08:00 US/Cana
I like this - for all the wrong reasons! :-)
From: j...@frewston.plus.com
To: usma@colostate.edu
CC: secret...@metric.org.uk
Subject: [USMA:47561] Re: UK Transport Minister banishes metric in all official
communications
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:01:18 +0100
I've just sent off the following
Maybe it's time to step back - breathe a little - and recognise the real scale
of this change.
It really is not the end of the world and nothing is being 'trashed'.
In response to Ezra's more measured (pun not intended) message - No - I don't
think this is to do with sign sizes etc - I beli
No, no, it makes perfect sense, no sarcasm at all. You should probably remind
him about that one upstart colony that had the nerve to rebel. They don't use
"real" Imperial, they use something called Customary. Their gallons and
bushels and such are all wrong, and they get heavy weights all mi
I've just sent off the following letter to Hammond, cc to David Cameron (prime
minister), Nick Clegg (deputy PM) as well as my own MP (also anti-metric). You
might notice a trace of sarcasm here and there...
Philip Hammond: Secretary of State for Transport
Houses of Parliament
Dear Mr Hammon
On 2010/06/08, at 06:44 , Stanislav Jakuba wrote:
“He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.”
– John McCarthy (computer pioneer, Stanford University)
Stan Jakuba
Dear Stan,
I once attended a training session for building trades workers as one
of the session spea
Dear Martin,
I think that the development of rational decimal world geography
happened at a separate time to the development of time zones. The
first happened in the 1790s and the second happened in the 1880s
following the development work done in the 1870s by Sir Sandford
Fleming to reso
Dear Jim,
The thing about it is that once you use the prices based on same SI
unit you can then begin to discuss the questions you raise. Before
that few would go to the trouble of converting the mythical barrel
into some sort of reality to make these price comparisons.
Cheers,
Pat Naugh
Dear Stan,
I'm sorry if I upset you – I didn't mean to do that. I was just trying
to clarify the idea that it is common – by people other than yourself
– to completely confuse the two different concepts of energy and
power. That's why I referred to the ABC talk by someone who also
should
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